Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Hi : To answer briefly from my own perspective: yes, all of matter, and even all of free space, and of course, all living systems, are electromagnetic in nature, and yes, elements do have signatures if tested in certain ways, but it still inaccurate to state that they are significant emitters of EMF energies! with care, --Vinny At 11:05 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote: > > >Somewhere, sombody wrote:> >> EMF and chemicals are two different >things, and do not have a > > >> correlation. > >Chemicals do have frequency 'signatures' (see 'files' 23rd Annual >International Symposium on Man & His Environment by Cyril ) which >are " entrained by a person's endogenous frequency " given sufficient >exposure. states, " a chemical frequency signature locks up that >particular frequency within the affected part of the living system and >prevents normal fluctuations in response to the demands of metabolism >or the environment at that frequency. " Dr. Rae also cites in >medical studies frequent coincidence of chemical sensitivity with ES. >So, yes, chemicals and EMF ARE two different things yet they have in >common frequencies which may potentially be correlates. Either one >triggering the other resulting in ES/ChemS. > >Accept my apology if I have taken the above statement out of context or >am stating to you the known or obvious. - > > > > > Vinny Pinto vinny@... phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 > You are right, as I, Tayloka, and some others have covered this whole > thing a few months back on here. Remember the cake batter? > > Radon is radioactive, and does have it's own emf, as does radium, > fluorine, and everything else in existence. Yes, we did cover this a few months back -- and as I recall, it got pretty ugly. It may be that I'll have to ban this topic just to keep things civil... And again, the definition of " electrically sensitive " as it pertains to this list relates to sensitivity to items which are powered by electricity (including batteries). Reactions to poisonous chemicals is not ES. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Hello Snoshoe, I am sorry, but you are unfair to Vinny. I agree with his remarks. But Elektrosmog is not Elektrosmog. You proved that yourself. The battery on you fridge works different than on the monitor. The reason is, that the fridge emits only electrical and magnetic AC fileds of 50/60 Hz. The monitor however gives weaker electrical and weaker magnetic AC fields, because they have to fullfil the TCO norms, bur they radiate high frequencies, mostly in the VLF range around 30 kHz. And those are harmfull for electrosensibles. So you perceived the difference between two different sorts of elektrosmog. But again, I do know how EHS people may react to very low radiation levels of elektrosmog, but the electronic levels of chemicals are too low to perceive. Chemicals may give smells, and then we come to the chapter of MCS, multiple chemical sensitivity. Satellites do emit also EMF, and their signals are much stronger than those of chemicals, but hardly anybody *feels* them. One must look at this in the right perspective. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re:EMF/Chemicals > Yes , > > You are right, as I, Tayloka, and some others have covered this whole > thing a few months back on here. Remember the cake batter? > > Radon is radioactive, and does have it's own emf, as does radium, > fluorine, and everything else in existence. > > One person's grain of sand is another's elephant, or anaphylactic > reaction. I wish everyone here would get that. If you're ES, YOU, > have that elephant, that appears as a grain of sand to the majority > of the world, so who is anyone here to keep poo-pooing others for the > same thing? > > Everything is electric, if it wasn't, there'd be no life. A good > book is " The Body Electric " . Or how about just basic chemistry and > physics, where they teach this stuff in high school now? > > Vinny, you can quit trying to impress yourself in front of everyone. > There's many engineers, electrical, biological, healers, alternative > practitioners on this site, so, I'm sure at least some of them, like > myself are not impressed with your continual speels, cutting others > down, and obvious desire to sell your products. > > That's a great test for the candida . - I don't want the wheel > reinvented, I just want to carry one wheel, instead of three. > > I tried a 6v flashlight battery on top of the fridge, and Wow! It was > rather energizing for the 1st two days, so that I took it off at > night the first time. > > It feels as though the coils on top cause the energy to go up and > out. I didn't like it on the pc. It felt as though the energy wasn't > being released high enough away, and was bothersome. I think again, > because the coils were transforming the energy in a way the D's > don't, which I stil have on my pc. > > The pascalite, like some other clays, absorb radiation, that's why > some people find it beneficial to place in front of their pcs. > > ~ Snoshoe (I'm not the person, someone asked if I was another > member, not sure which that was.) > > > > > >> EMF and chemicals are two > different >> >things, and do not have a >> > > >> correlation. >> > >> >Chemicals do have frequency 'signatures' (see 'files' 23rd Annual >> >International Symposium on Man & His Environment by Cyril ) > which >> >are " entrained by a person's endogenous frequency " given sufficient >> >exposure. states, " a chemical frequency signature locks up > that >> >particular frequency within the affected part of the living system > and >> >prevents normal fluctuations in response to the demands of > metabolism >> >or the environment at that frequency. " Dr. Rae also cites > in >> >medical studies frequent coincidence of chemical sensitivity with > ES. >> >So, yes, chemicals and EMF ARE two different things yet they have > in >> >common frequencies which may potentially be correlates. Either one >> >triggering the other resulting in ES/ChemS. >> > >> >Accept my apology if I have taken the above statement out of > context or >> >am stating to you the known or obvious. - >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 > Vinny, you can quit trying to impress yourself in front of everyone. > There's many engineers, electrical, biological, healers, alternative > practitioners on this site, so, I'm sure at least some of them, like > myself are not impressed with your continual speels, cutting others > down, and obvious desire to sell your products. Hmmm, it appears that you are the one who is doing the cutting down of others... :-( Vinny certainly has expertise in the areas of EMF remediation that a typical engineer, healer, or alternative practitioner wouldn't have, so I'm glad to have him sharing this information here. Although I wouldn't blame him for leaving with messages like that! (it seems rather typical -- the ill often chase away the people who could help them) Also, I don't know where you get the idea that Vinny has an " obvious desire " to sell you his products. In fact, he seems to be quite the opposite, refusing to sell his products to people who may have unrealistic expectations. And I find his descriptions of how they work to be interesting and relevant (especially as I experiment with one of them). So please attempt to be polite to your fellow list members... otherwise, you may find yourself no longer subscribed to the list. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Hi folks: In my opinion as an electronics engineer and scientist, there are a great numer of mistakes and mis-assumptions in the letter below, and thus none of the (mistaken) assertions can support the claims made by . with care, --Vinny At 02:10 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: >Universities in Canada, the University in my city, the one I >attended, have programs in >Electrochemical Engineering. > >There are applied programs in chemistry for which you study >electromagentic processes of >chemicals. > >It would appear that not understanding how electricity comes from >chemicals is not an >impediment to establishing whole university programs at accredited >instiutions. > >Chemicals do make electricity, in fact, electricty is derived from >the chemical composition >of earth (hydrocarbon products, wind, water, and chemical (nuclear). >Electricity is >manufactured and in the manufacturing process, chemical byproducts, >dangerous ones, >are produced. > >The National Geographic this month has an excellent article called >the Chemicals Within >Us. > >A " little " chemical exposure can cause severe electrical sensativity >and hypersensativity >problems in people. These are well documented. > >And just for the record, when you burn a fluorescent bulb, there is >mercury vapour >emitted.....so where does the chemical end and the electricity start. > > > > > > > > > > Hello Snoshoe, > > > > > > I am sorry, but you are unfair to Vinny. > > > I agree with his remarks. > > > > > > But Elektrosmog is not Elektrosmog. > > > > > > You proved that yourself. > > > > > > The battery on you fridge works different than on the monitor. > > > > > > The reason is, that the fridge emits only electrical and magnetic > > AC fileds > > > of 50/60 Hz. > > > > > > The monitor however gives weaker electrical and weaker magnetic AC > > fields, > > > because they have to fullfil the TCO norms, bur they radiate high > > > frequencies, mostly in the VLF range around 30 kHz. > > > And those are harmfull for electrosensibles. > > > > > > So you perceived the difference between two different sorts of > > elektrosmog. > > > > > > But again, I do know how EHS people may react to very low radiation > > levels > > > of elektrosmog, but the electronic levels of chemicals are too low > > to > > > perceive. > > > Chemicals may give smells, and then we come to the chapter of MCS, > > multiple > > > chemical sensitivity. > > > > > > Satellites do emit also EMF, and their signals are much stronger > > than those > > > of chemicals, but hardly anybody *feels* them. > > > > > > One must look at this in the right perspective. > > > > Vinny Pinto vinny@... phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Hello Vinny, I agree fully with you. One is comparing apples with onions. Mostly done by people, who do not know what they are talking about. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Re:EMF/Chemicals > Hi folks: > > In my opinion as an electronics engineer and scientist, there are a > great numer of mistakes and mis-assumptions in the letter below, and > thus none of the (mistaken) assertions can support the claims made by > . > > with care, > --Vinny > > At 02:10 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: >>Universities in Canada, the University in my city, the one I >>attended, have programs in >>Electrochemical Engineering. >> >>There are applied programs in chemistry for which you study >>electromagentic processes of >>chemicals. >> >>It would appear that not understanding how electricity comes from >>chemicals is not an >>impediment to establishing whole university programs at accredited >>instiutions. >> >>Chemicals do make electricity, in fact, electricty is derived from >>the chemical composition >>of earth (hydrocarbon products, wind, water, and chemical (nuclear). >>Electricity is >>manufactured and in the manufacturing process, chemical byproducts, >>dangerous ones, >>are produced. >> >>The National Geographic this month has an excellent article called >>the Chemicals Within >>Us. >> >>A " little " chemical exposure can cause severe electrical sensativity >>and hypersensativity >>problems in people. These are well documented. >> >>And just for the record, when you burn a fluorescent bulb, there is >>mercury vapour >>emitted.....so where does the chemical end and the electricity start. >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > > Hello Snoshoe, >> > > >> > > I am sorry, but you are unfair to Vinny. >> > > I agree with his remarks. >> > > >> > > But Elektrosmog is not Elektrosmog. >> > > >> > > You proved that yourself. >> > > >> > > The battery on you fridge works different than on the monitor. >> > > >> > > The reason is, that the fridge emits only electrical and magnetic >> > AC fileds >> > > of 50/60 Hz. >> > > >> > > The monitor however gives weaker electrical and weaker magnetic AC >> > fields, >> > > because they have to fullfil the TCO norms, bur they radiate high >> > > frequencies, mostly in the VLF range around 30 kHz. >> > > And those are harmfull for electrosensibles. >> > > >> > > So you perceived the difference between two different sorts of >> > elektrosmog. >> > > >> > > But again, I do know how EHS people may react to very low radiation >> > levels >> > > of elektrosmog, but the electronic levels of chemicals are too low >> > to >> > > perceive. >> > > Chemicals may give smells, and then we come to the chapter of MCS, >> > multiple >> > > chemical sensitivity. >> > > >> > > Satellites do emit also EMF, and their signals are much stronger >> > than those >> > > of chemicals, but hardly anybody *feels* them. >> > > >> > > One must look at this in the right perspective. >> > >> >> > > > Vinny Pinto > vinny@... > > phone 301-694-1249 > > To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: > http://www.vinnypinto.us > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Hi : Yes, I agree fully. Interestingly, when I check my engineering and scientific " knowledge " about these matters with my intuition, I get exactly the same answers from my inner guidance. And, BTW, it is the same inner guidance which steers 97% of my scientific research work and my engineering R & D work, anyway; I rarely use the intellect anymore, except for remembering phone numbers or how to make airline reservations online... For many in our modern culture, I suspect that the intellectual mind, which I tend to call " local mind " (and which some traditions tend to call " the ego " ) has been allowed to usurp its role as an occasional handy tool, and instead it tries to take over the feat of handling life, brining along all its fears and worrries as it does so, mistakenly thinking that it is in charge or that if can figure out life. It is my experience that allowing that fallacy past the age of about 28 years of age usually leads to serious chronic illness by the mid-thirties, because Spirit and Supreme Heart have then been usurped by the finite and very limited local mind, resulting in many deficiencies and imbalances in body/mind/spirit. with care, --Vinny At 02:59 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: >Hello Vinny, > >I agree fully with you. > >One is comparing apples with onions. > >Mostly done by people, who do not know what they are talking about. > >Greetings, > Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >www.milieuziektes.nl >www.milieuziektes.be >www.hetbitje.nl >checked by Norton Antivirus > > > Re: Re:EMF/Chemicals > > > > Hi folks: > > > > In my opinion as an electronics engineer and scientist, there are a > > great numer of mistakes and mis-assumptions in the letter below, and > > thus none of the (mistaken) assertions can support the claims made by > > . > > > > with care, > > --Vinny > > > > At 02:10 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: > >>Universities in Canada, the University in my city, the one I > >>attended, have programs in > >>Electrochemical Engineering. > >> > >>There are applied programs in chemistry for which you study > >>electromagentic processes of > >>chemicals. > >> > >>It would appear that not understanding how electricity comes from > >>chemicals is not an > >>impediment to establishing whole university programs at accredited > >>instiutions. > >> > >>Chemicals do make electricity, in fact, electricty is derived from > >>the chemical composition > >>of earth (hydrocarbon products, wind, water, and chemical (nuclear). > >>Electricity is > >>manufactured and in the manufacturing process, chemical byproducts, > >>dangerous ones, > >>are produced. > >> > >>The National Geographic this month has an excellent article called > >>the Chemicals Within > >>Us. > >> > >>A " little " chemical exposure can cause severe electrical sensativity > >>and hypersensativity > >>problems in people. These are well documented. > >> > >>And just for the record, when you burn a fluorescent bulb, there is > >>mercury vapour > >>emitted.....so where does the chemical end and the electricity start. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > Hello Snoshoe, > >> > > > >> > > I am sorry, but you are unfair to Vinny. > >> > > I agree with his remarks. > >> > > > >> > > But Elektrosmog is not Elektrosmog. > >> > > > >> > > You proved that yourself. > >> > > > >> > > The battery on you fridge works different than on the monitor. > >> > > > >> > > The reason is, that the fridge emits only electrical and magnetic > >> > AC fileds > >> > > of 50/60 Hz. > >> > > > >> > > The monitor however gives weaker electrical and weaker magnetic AC > >> > fields, > >> > > because they have to fullfil the TCO norms, bur they radiate high > >> > > frequencies, mostly in the VLF range around 30 kHz. > >> > > And those are harmfull for electrosensibles. > >> > > > >> > > So you perceived the difference between two different sorts of > >> > elektrosmog. > >> > > > >> > > But again, I do know how EHS people may react to very low radiation > >> > levels > >> > > of elektrosmog, but the electronic levels of chemicals are too low > >> > to > >> > > perceive. > >> > > Chemicals may give smells, and then we come to the chapter of MCS, > >> > multiple > >> > > chemical sensitivity. > >> > > > >> > > Satellites do emit also EMF, and their signals are much stronger > >> > than those > >> > > of chemicals, but hardly anybody *feels* them. > >> > > > >> > > One must look at this in the right perspective. > >> > > >> > >> > > > > Vinny Pinto vinny@... phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hello Yes, one may read a lot. Understanding what one is reading is quite a different thing. You obviously don't have the slightest idea what you are reading. You are mixing apples with olive oil. Knowledge does not mean in having some loose facts, mixing them, and make some false conclusions. Knowledge means that one understands ALL implications and relations to all different relevant facts. You are comparing an atomic explosion with a 1.5 Volt battery. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re:EMF/Chemicals > Vinny, it is your opinion. Each person here can just look to their own > universities and > technical institutes for courses. Google is handy to perform this search. > > In fact, each assertion I have made, each of us can search for their own > determination. I > don't believe that your electrical engineering status, if professionally > designated from an > accredited institute, would qualify you in the area of electrochemical > engineering or > petrochemical engineering, as these engineers have their own designation. > Designations > apply to all areas in engineering such as structural, petrochemical...etc. > > And it is asserted and can be born out by investigation, by anyone, you > don't need to be > an engineer or a scientist even, to investigate the generation of > electricity from Coal, the > generation of electricty from hydro, or eclectricy from chemical > (nuclear). Anybody is free > to research, again using google, to investigate the processes of > extrapolating electrical > energy from these materials. > > As for National Geographic, well, we all can buy the magazine and read it. > It is available in > Canada...British Columbia is where I bought my copy. > > And flurorescent lighting by-product is mercury vapour. Again...google the > terms. > > Knowledge is widely dispersed, Vinny, I, meaning no disrepect, hardly > think you are the > authority to determine what is accepted as knowledge and normalized data. > > Each of us brings to forum, such as this, the best of what we have to > contribute. When we > close off our questioning mind to think " how could that be " to one where > " that cannot be " > is almost censureship of data. > > Each of us has the capacity to explore and analyse and interpret, then > believe that which > makes the most sense to us. Sometimes pushing the intellectual envelope > makes people > uncomfortable...but that push is the challenge to open our minds to new > possibilities and > then we learn solution from discovery. This is innovation. The seed to > creativity and > creating new products and finding solutions to the old ones. > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hello Snoshoe, >> > > > >> > > > I am sorry, but you are unfair to Vinny. >> > > > I agree with his remarks. >> > > > >> > > > But Elektrosmog is not Elektrosmog. >> > > > >> > > > You proved that yourself. >> > > > >> > > > The battery on you fridge works different than on the monitor. >> > > > >> > > > The reason is, that the fridge emits only electrical and magnetic >> > > AC fileds >> > > > of 50/60 Hz. >> > > > >> > > > The monitor however gives weaker electrical and weaker magnetic AC >> > > fields, >> > > > because they have to fullfil the TCO norms, bur they radiate high >> > > > frequencies, mostly in the VLF range around 30 kHz. >> > > > And those are harmfull for electrosensibles. >> > > > >> > > > So you perceived the difference between two different sorts of >> > > elektrosmog. >> > > > >> > > > But again, I do know how EHS people may react to very low radiation >> > > levels >> > > > of elektrosmog, but the electronic levels of chemicals are too low >> > > to >> > > > perceive. >> > > > Chemicals may give smells, and then we come to the chapter of MCS, >> > > multiple >> > > > chemical sensitivity. >> > > > >> > > > Satellites do emit also EMF, and their signals are much stronger >> > > than those >> > > > of chemicals, but hardly anybody *feels* them. >> > > > >> > > > One must look at this in the right perspective. >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> Vinny Pinto >> vinny@... >> >> phone 301-694-1249 >> >> To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: >> http://www.vinnypinto.us >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hi : I agree with your observations. with care, --Vinny At 06:43 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: >Hello > >Yes, one may read a lot. >Understanding what one is reading is quite a different thing. > >You obviously don't have the slightest idea what you are reading. >You are mixing apples with olive oil. > >Knowledge does not mean in having some loose facts, mixing them, and make >some false conclusions. > >Knowledge means that one understands ALL implications and relations to all >different relevant facts. > >You are comparing an atomic explosion with a 1.5 Volt battery. > >Greetings, > Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >www.milieuziektes.nl >www.milieuziektes.be >www.hetbitje.nl >checked by Norton Antivirus > > > Re:EMF/Chemicals > > > > Vinny, it is your opinion. Each person here can just look to their own > > universities and > > technical institutes for courses. Google is handy to perform this search. > > > > In fact, each assertion I have made, each of us can search for their own > > determination. I > > don't believe that your electrical engineering status, if professionally > > designated from an > > accredited institute, would qualify you in the area of electrochemical > > engineering or > > petrochemical engineering, as these engineers have their own designation. > > Designations > > apply to all areas in engineering such as structural, petrochemical...etc. > > > > And it is asserted and can be born out by investigation, by anyone, you > > don't need to be > > an engineer or a scientist even, to investigate the generation of > > electricity from Coal, the > > generation of electricty from hydro, or eclectricy from chemical > > (nuclear). Anybody is free > > to research, again using google, to investigate the processes of > > extrapolating electrical > > energy from these materials. > > > > As for National Geographic, well, we all can buy the magazine and read it. > > It is available in > > Canada...British Columbia is where I bought my copy. > > > > And flurorescent lighting by-product is mercury vapour. Again...google the > > terms. > > > > Knowledge is widely dispersed, Vinny, I, meaning no disrepect, hardly > > think you are the > > authority to determine what is accepted as knowledge and normalized data. > > > > Each of us brings to forum, such as this, the best of what we have to > > contribute. When we > > close off our questioning mind to think " how could that be " to one where > > " that cannot be " > > is almost censureship of data. > > > > Each of us has the capacity to explore and analyse and interpret, then > > believe that which > > makes the most sense to us. Sometimes pushing the intellectual envelope > > makes people > > uncomfortable...but that push is the challenge to open our minds to new > > possibilities and > > then we learn solution from discovery. This is innovation. The seed to > > creativity and > > creating new products and finding solutions to the old ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >Universities in Canada, the University in my city, the one I > >> >attended, have programs in > >> >Electrochemical Engineering. > >> > > >> >There are applied programs in chemistry for which you study > >> >electromagentic processes of > >> >chemicals. > >> > > >> >It would appear that not understanding how electricity comes from > >> >chemicals is not an > >> >impediment to establishing whole university programs at accredited > >> >instiutions. > >> > > >> >Chemicals do make electricity, in fact, electricty is derived from > >> >the chemical composition > >> >of earth (hydrocarbon products, wind, water, and chemical (nuclear). > >> >Electricity is > >> >manufactured and in the manufacturing process, chemical byproducts, > >> >dangerous ones, > >> >are produced. > >> > > >> >The National Geographic this month has an excellent article called > >> >the Chemicals Within > >> >Us. > >> > > >> >A " little " chemical exposure can cause severe electrical sensativity > >> >and hypersensativity > >> >problems in people. These are well documented. > >> > > >> >And just for the record, when you burn a fluorescent bulb, there is > >> >mercury vapour > >> >emitted.....so where does the chemical end and the electricity start. > >> > > >> > > >> > Vinny Pinto vinny@... phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hello , to my understanding you may not. Knowledge is understanding about some facts, but not all and everything. Wisdom is a property not many people posess. It is an understanding of everything in life. People with wisdom are most of the time very silent. But when they speak, everybody else becomes silent. Sorry, but that is my interpretation. No pun intended. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re:EMF/Chemicals > >> > >> Knowledge means that one understands ALL implications and relations to >> all >> different relevant facts. >> > > May I suggest the better word would have been " wisdom " . > It applies in one's own world, and tends to be unique. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hi : Yes, I much agree, and I am sure that meant wisdom. I would also add sanity, clarity and intuition. Unfortunately, some persons who post here are largely lacking some of those qualities when they stray into realms such as this topic. with care, --Vinny At 10:29 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: > > > Knowledge means that one understands ALL implications and relations to all > > different relevant facts. > >May I suggest the better word would have been " wisdom " . >It applies in one's own world, and tends to be unique. > > > > Vinny Pinto vinny@... phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 > Yes, I much agree, and I am sure that meant wisdom. I would > also add sanity, clarity and intuition. Unfortunately, some persons > who post here are largely lacking some of those qualities when they > stray into realms such as this topic. Note that I've placed into " moderation " mode, as I did once before when she persisted on this topic. I don't see how this topic ( " chemicals emitting EMF " ) is getting us anywhere other than causing an extended argument. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hi Marc: Yes, I agree. Thank you! I run about a dozen list groups myself, and so I know what you must go through at times! with care, --Vinny At 12:56 PM 10/17/2006, you wrote: > > Yes, I much agree, and I am sure that meant wisdom. I would > > also add sanity, clarity and intuition. Unfortunately, some persons > > who post here are largely lacking some of those qualities when they > > stray into realms such as this topic. > >Note that I've placed into " moderation " mode, as I did once >before when she persisted on this topic. I don't see how this >topic ( " chemicals emitting EMF " ) is getting us anywhere other >than causing an extended argument. > >Marc > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 > Yes, I agree. Thank you! I run about a dozen list groups myself, and > so I know what you must go through at times! Well, we do need to keep the discussion more-or-less on-topic. The topic of " " is improving one's electrical hypersensitivity. Certainly reducing one's exposure to toxic chemicals can be helpful, but one doesn't need to spend their time researching the EMF emissions or electrical properties of chemicals to do this. , you made an assertion that flourescent bulbs emit mercury vapor, yet you didn't supply a reference. Do you have one? I know that the bulbs contain mercury, but I don't recall ever seeing someone measuring an increase in mercury vapor outside of an (intact) bulb. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 I have seen reports that fluorescent bulbs contain traces of mercury vapour and therefore emit the spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury. However, this is a very different thing to physically emitting the vapour itself. Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marc Sent: 17 October 2006 19:51 Subject: Re: Re:EMF/Chemicals > Yes, I agree. Thank you! I run about a dozen list groups myself, and > so I know what you must go through at times! Well, we do need to keep the discussion more-or-less on-topic. The topic of " " is improving one's electrical hypersensitivity. Certainly reducing one's exposure to toxic chemicals can be helpful, but one doesn't need to spend their time researching the EMF emissions or electrical properties of chemicals to do this. , you made an assertion that flourescent bulbs emit mercury vapor, yet you didn't supply a reference. Do you have one? I know that the bulbs contain mercury, but I don't recall ever seeing someone measuring an increase in mercury vapor outside of an (intact) bulb. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hi Ian: Yes, this is true. Many fluorescent bulbs contain a small amount of mercury sealed inside the bulb to help the bulb ignite more reliably at a lower voltage. However, there is no mercury which escapes the bulb unless the bulb is broken. with care, --Vinny At 05:15 PM 10/17/2006, you wrote: >I have seen reports that fluorescent bulbs contain traces of mercury vapour >and therefore emit the spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury. >However, this is a very different thing to physically emitting the vapour >itself. >Ian > _____ > >From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marc > >Sent: 17 October 2006 19:51 > >Subject: Re: Re:EMF/Chemicals > > > > > Yes, I agree. Thank you! I run about a dozen list groups myself, and > > so I know what you must go through at times! > >Well, we do need to keep the discussion more-or-less on-topic. >The topic of " " is improving one's electrical hypersensitivity. >Certainly reducing one's exposure to toxic chemicals can >be helpful, but one doesn't need to spend their time researching >the EMF emissions or electrical properties of chemicals to do this. > >, you made an assertion that flourescent bulbs emit mercury >vapor, yet you didn't supply a reference. Do you have one? >I know that the bulbs contain mercury, but I don't recall >ever seeing someone measuring an increase in mercury vapor >outside of an (intact) bulb. > >Marc > Vinny Pinto vinny@... phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 > I have seen reports that fluorescent bulbs contain traces of mercury vapour > and therefore emit the spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury. > However, this is a very different thing to physically emitting the vapour > itself. This leads to the question -- can someone have a bad reaction to the " spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury " ? And could a person's bad reaction to flourescent lights be due to these frequencies alone? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 > the link provided here states that vapour is > emitted while the light is operational. The implication of your original email was that people were being exposed to mercury vapor by using flourescent lights. These links do not support this claim -- they state that the mercury vapor stays within the bulb (unless the bulb is broken). Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hi Marc: Interestingly, this question has arisen at times in the world of Rife plasma devices, since many Rife Ray Beam plasma devices use a partially evacuated gas tube filled with rare gases at a low pressure, and some of these tubes include a bit of mercury in order to achieve " tighter " ignition. Worse, many users of Rife plasma devices are people who are chronically ill, persons who have chronic Lyme disease, cancer or MCS. So far, it seems that even chronically ill people like the effects of the tubes. Of course, Rife plasma devices DO produce cleansing and detox symptoms, and users expect them. with care, --Vinny At 05:49 PM 10/17/2006, you wrote: > > I have seen reports that fluorescent bulbs contain traces of mercury vapour > > and therefore emit the spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury. > > However, this is a very different thing to physically emitting the vapour > > itself. > >This leads to the question -- can someone have a bad reaction to the > " spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury " ? And could a >person's >bad reaction to flourescent lights be due to these frequencies alone? > >Marc > Vinny Pinto vinny@... phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hi folks and Marc: The references cited by to support her claim that mercury bulbs emit mercury or mercury vapor into the ambient airspace when operating do not at all suport that clam, and rather, the two articles simply repeat the mundane fact that there is a tiny amount of mercury contained INSIDE the glass bulb of some fluorescent bulbs, and that it converts to vapor phase when the bulb is ignited, and that it remains ENTIRELY inside the bulb at all times; none is emitted. Both articles point out the well-known mundane fact that the liquid mercury can escape if the bulb is broken. Thus, is engaging in sleight-of-hand, or bait-and-switch tactics to try to justify her errant claims. This is getting tiring very rapidly. with care, --Vinny At 05:50 PM 10/17/2006, you wrote: >Sorry, Marc, I didn't see this message. I should have noted my >references. There are >multiple ones, like Ian noted, however, Ian, the link provided here >states that vapour is >emitted while the light is operational. > >Thanks for the CMA. > >http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/electricity/fluorescent/safety.html >http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/pubs/cp/lig3_e.html > > > > > > > > I have seen reports that fluorescent bulbs contain traces of mercury vapour > > and therefore emit the spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury. > > However, this is a very different thing to physically emitting the vapour > > itself. > > Ian > > > > _____ > > > > From: [mailto: ] On > Behalf Of Marc > > > > Sent: 17 October 2006 19:51 > > > > Subject: Re: Re:EMF/Chemicals > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree. Thank you! I run about a dozen list groups myself, and > > > so I know what you must go through at times! > > > > Well, we do need to keep the discussion more-or-less on-topic. > > The topic of " " is improving one's electrical hypersensitivity. > > Certainly reducing one's exposure to toxic chemicals can > > be helpful, but one doesn't need to spend their time researching > > the EMF emissions or electrical properties of chemicals to do this. > > > > , you made an assertion that flourescent bulbs emit mercury > > vapor, yet you didn't supply a reference. Do you have one? > > I know that the bulbs contain mercury, but I don't recall > > ever seeing someone measuring an increase in mercury vapor > > outside of an (intact) bulb. > > > > Marc > > Vinny Pinto vinny@... phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hi folks: I am rather concerned that this person is introducing lots of distracting red herrings into the mix. The fears and illogic expressed below about aluminum and the confusing intorduction of the term " antigen " are even more of the same. As of this moment, I will not be commenting at all on the many misstatements made by this poster and by a few other posters; my silence does not indicate agreement, but rather a total lack of desire to engage these people in any way. with care, --Vinny At 06:00 PM 10/17/2006, you wrote: >There is a Swedish study, I heard about the study via CBC radio and >will look for a web link >to it, that indicates that fluorescent lighting decreases >testosterone levels...process is >emulsification, and causes infertility, low sperm count, and low motility. > >There is also the consideration of aluminum in the constuction >material of the bulb. Both >Mercury and Aluminum have been introduced as antigents in congitive >functioning. > >Also...lead... > > > > > > > > > I have seen reports that fluorescent bulbs contain traces of > mercury vapour > > > and therefore emit the spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury. > > > However, this is a very different thing to physically emitting the vapour > > > itself. > > > > This leads to the question -- can someone have a bad reaction to the > > " spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury " ? And could a > > person's > > bad reaction to flourescent lights be due to these frequencies alone? > > > > Marc > > > Vinny Pinto vinny@... phone 301-694-1249 To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to: http://www.vinnypinto.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 OK , I see where you are coming from. The fluorescent light can have a small amount of mercury vapor inside it - but it always remains inside the tube and never escapes. The trouble with the word " emitted " is that it suggests the vapour could escape outside the confines of the tube and cause harm to someone by direct contact - which it can't. We need to be careful with our terminology :-) Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of tayloka_40 Sent: 17 October 2006 22:50 Subject: Re:EMF/Chemicals Sorry, Marc, I didn't see this message. I should have noted my references. There are multiple ones, like Ian noted, however, Ian, the link provided here states that vapour is emitted while the light is operational. Thanks for the CMA. http://nemesis. <http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/electricity/fluorescent/safety.html> lonestar.org/reference/electricity/fluorescent/safety.html http://irc.nrc- <http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/pubs/cp/lig3_e.html> cnrc.gc.ca/pubs/cp/lig3_e.html > > I have seen reports that fluorescent bulbs contain traces of mercury vapour > and therefore emit the spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury. > However, this is a very different thing to physically emitting the vapour > itself. > Ian > > _____ > > From: groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com [mailto:groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com] On Behalf Of Marc > > Sent: 17 October 2006 19:51 > groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com > Subject: Re: Re:EMF/Chemicals > > > > > Yes, I agree. Thank you! I run about a dozen list groups myself, and > > so I know what you must go through at times! > > Well, we do need to keep the discussion more-or-less on-topic. > The topic of " " is improving one's electrical hypersensitivity. > Certainly reducing one's exposure to toxic chemicals can > be helpful, but one doesn't need to spend their time researching > the EMF emissions or electrical properties of chemicals to do this. > > , you made an assertion that flourescent bulbs emit mercury > vapor, yet you didn't supply a reference. Do you have one? > I know that the bulbs contain mercury, but I don't recall > ever seeing someone measuring an increase in mercury vapor > outside of an (intact) bulb. > > Marc > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 I think I have seen it suggested that mercury's spectroscopic frequencies could be ones which have a particularly bad effect on the body, even possibly by mimicking the effect of mercury actually inside the body, or stimulating some small residual amount. That's very much a paraphrase and I am not convinced one way or the other about these theories! The main observational evidence I have to work with is that Sue and others definitely react to fluorescent lights differently to standard tungsten incandescents. Of course it might be the electronic gizmos in the lamp itself (and Sue finds it much worse if the lamp is not far above her head). On the other hand, there is still the big unsolved mystery of why she suffered a bad reaction to a white high pressure sodium street light (50 yards away) but not a yellow low pressure sodium one. That seems a bit too far away to be down to electronic circuitry in the lamp? Ian _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marc Sent: 17 October 2006 22:50 Subject: RE: Re:EMF/Chemicals > I have seen reports that fluorescent bulbs contain traces of mercury vapour > and therefore emit the spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury. > However, this is a very different thing to physically emitting the vapour > itself. This leads to the question -- can someone have a bad reaction to the " spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury " ? And could a person's bad reaction to flourescent lights be due to these frequencies alone? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Thats a bad one is it not, similar to Tetra system radio and close to the beta brain wave ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hello Marc, we know, that frequencies like to travel upon other frequencies, it is quite possible that the spectroscopic frequencies associated with several processes inside the tube, may ride along. I have measured 30 kHz signals riding on radar beams, as well as on UMTS or 3G radiation beams. With the bioresonance there are many frequencies known, also for Bach flowers and metals. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus RE: Re:EMF/Chemicals >> I have seen reports that fluorescent bulbs contain traces of mercury >> vapour >> and therefore emit the spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury. >> However, this is a very different thing to physically emitting the vapour >> itself. > > This leads to the question -- can someone have a bad reaction to the > " spectroscopic frequencies associated with mercury " ? And could a > person's > bad reaction to flourescent lights be due to these frequencies alone? > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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