Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 > To put my nickel into the bucket, I, and others, are very satisfied with > the Bioprotect card, which is cheap also. By the way, did anyone ever find a way to purchase a Bioprotect card using a credit card and that will ship to an address in the United States? I've found two websites which sell them, but they are both in German and appear to require payment to be made by check. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Merlyn wrote: > I dont think Im smart enough to order the German one. Leaning > toward the Radar card. Any advice. Well, we have the inventor of the Bioprotect card subscribed to this list, so that might be helpful. :-) However, I agree that for someone in the US, ordering the Radar card is probably easier. Having tried them both, I'd say that they are definitely different. I'd say that the Bioprotect card is stronger than the Radar card, but that can be good or bad, depending on how sensitive you are. And as to whether they actually help you around EMF fields, well, that's another matter entirely! By this I mean that a card can feel strong, or give you a strong reaction, but yet not necessarily be helpful in allowing you to tolerate EMF. I've tried some such items which made me tolerate EMF even less than before! (although in some cases these work better by using them for brief periods, and hoping you build up a tolerance for them) I think we've had enough reports from people here to show that different people respond well to different things. That is, I can tell you the devices that work well for me, but I can also name off several people who have tried those very same devices and reported no benefit. In addition, getting the right " dosage " of devices (exposure time, distance from them) is another issue, as more is not necessarily better. It's all very tricky, and I wish there was a sure-fire, works for everyone recommendation I could make. But there isn't. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 > But as I stated before, the BioProtect card for 20 $ has the same > properties,and does not nedd *cleaning*. Is there yet a way to purchase the BioProtect card with a credit card or PayPal and have it shipped anywhere worldwide? The last time I checked, one had to do a bank money transfer, or something that was less convenient than a credit card or PayPal. Also, a few of us have received an alternate version of the BioProtect card... is this one commercially available as well? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Hello, BioProtect can be payed via pay pal.The version BioProtect M is experimental and designed vor people with adverse reactions; but is is lacking some of the qualities of the original one. It has no specific positive bioenergetic effect and works only when in close contact to the body. It workds fine also when in contact with the metallic construction of a base station. Dietrich In einer eMail vom 14.09.2006 21:39:22 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt marc@...: > But as I stated before, the BioProtect card for 20 $ has the same > properties,and does not nedd *cleaning*. Is there yet a way to purchase the BioProtect card with a credit card or PayPal and have it shipped anywhere worldwide? The last time I checked, one had to do a bank money transfer, or something that was less convenient than a credit card or PayPal. Also, a few of us have received an alternate version of the BioProtect card... is this one commercially available as well? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Okay, I just did a search, and here is a place you can order a Bioprotect card online: http://company4you.nl/shop/product_info.php?language=en & pName=bioprotect-card And here: http://wasserladenshop.de/product_info.php/products_id/185/product/BioProtect_Ca\ rd.html Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hello, on: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina164b.html I have placed some information and an english publication in a magazine. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender BIOPROTECT CARD > Hi everyone > > > > Has anyone in the group tried a bioprotect card - if so what were your > experiences with it - I am thinking of trying one and have checekd out > their site but am wondering if the things they maintain their product > can do are actually possible. I'd really appreciate any feedback on > this. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Steph > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 hi steph let me know how you go.. I sent my clarity mains back , felt sick when it was on- so didnt see the point. Â Ada From: <reader41@...> Subject: BIOPROTECT CARD Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 3:03 AM Hi everyone Has anyone in the group tried a bioprotect card - if so what were your experiences with it - I am thinking of trying one and have checekd out their site but am wondering if the things they maintain their product can do are actually possible. I'd really appreciate any feedback on this. Best wishes Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hi Ada  That's a shame about the clarity mains - really weird thing is that about 20 mins ago I was just looking through old posts here and thinking " I must find out how Ada is getting on with her clarity mains " - I hope you got your money back. I am definitely going to give either the Bioprotect card, the Radar card or Safe Space's Environmental Protection card a go - not expecting any miracles but if they can make life just that little more bearable then it would be a bonus.  I'll give you an example - I'm so bad now I can't go anywhere where a lot of people have mobile phones - so that rules out most places!!! I went to my nephew's carol concert last week - at the start the head teacher asked everyone to put their phone on silent. In a room of approx 200 people I was about the only one who didn't fumble in their handbag or reach into their pocket. It lasted for about an hour and a half. By the time I got out of there I felt so sick - upset stomach - runny eyes - brain fogged and exhausted, with the beginnings of a migraine starting to go up thje back of my head. And its not like I was sitting there thinking " oh no I'm surrounded by mobile phones - panic panic panic " . I was so engrossed in the concert and my nephew that it was only when I got home and thought " I feel rotten " that the connection occurred to me. That and the fact that its not the first time this has happened to me. I'm not recounting this in a poor me/whingey way - altho some people might see it like that - I'm just relating an experience I had recenlty which has reinforced the fact for me that until I can do something longer term like amalgam removal and mercury detox I need something which might give me some measure of relief in the meantime and just enable me to go places - so if one of these card-type devices can help then I will happily give it a go.  As I said earlier - I'm not expecting a miracle and I'll definitely report here how I get on.  Best wishes  Steph From: <reader41ymail (DOT) com> Subject: BIOPROTECT CARD groups (DOT) com Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 3:03 AM Hi everyone Has anyone in the group tried a bioprotect card - if so what were your experiences with it - I am thinking of trying one and have checekd out their site but am wondering if the things they maintain their product can do are actually possible. I'd really appreciate any feedback on this. Best wishes Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 .... I dont see it as whinging at all.. so feel free to express as much as you like. soemtimes just getting it off your chest helps.- and these symptoms are intolerable at best and almost soul destroying at worst. i completely understand what you are going through. I must say im kindo of a bit worried about how you will go with a general anaesthetic , is it something you can put off or treat in an alternative manner. Surgery is a big deal when you are not feeling 100 percent. if its minor i would imagine that when you re feeling better it might help to do some sort of cleanse.  I was really helped by the apple cider vinegar i dont get the face tingling anymore when i use the computer. And  im now doing .. wait for it.. urine therapy , which is full on but i think is helping. I dont feel so tired , but i still am not able to deal with my mothers's house which is a shame so I dont know. Anyway here is the link if you are interested. My advice if you do do it is to do it really slow. I take only a few drops a day and even that knocked me about in the beginning.  http://www.wise-mens-web.com/ut_3_conf.html  http://www.alternativehealth.co.uk/urine-therapy/index.htm When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something! " Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night. " unknown From: <reader41ymail (DOT) com> Subject: BIOPROTECT CARD groups (DOT) com Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 3:03 AM Hi everyone Has anyone in the group tried a bioprotect card - if so what were your experiences with it - I am thinking of trying one and have checekd out their site but am wondering if the things they maintain their product can do are actually possible. I'd really appreciate any feedback on this. Best wishes Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 > I am definitely going to give either the > Bioprotect card, the Radar card or Safe Space's Environmental Protection > card a go - not expecting any miracles but if they can make life just > that little more bearable then it would be a bonus. Of those 3, I found the Radar card to work the best for me. For computer use, I found it best to put it near my monitor, not near me. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Hi Marc - this is very helpful - re computer use which symtoms did you find the radar card helped you to deal with - was it skin redness or rashing, or fatigue? I am trying to really limit my computer use to 2 or 3 short bursts, usually  spaced out during the week, but if there was something which could make it more bearable it would be great. My biggest problem with the computer - I think - is from the tower (rather than the monitor) and the vibrations from the motor, do you think the radar card would help with that?  Regards  Steph From: Marc <marc@...> Subject: Re: BIOPROTECT CARD Date: Saturday, 13 December, 2008, 8:41 PM > I am definitely going to give either the > Bioprotect card, the Radar card or Safe Space's Environmental Protection > card a go - not expecting any miracles but if they can make life just > that little more bearable then it would be a bonus. Of those 3, I found the Radar card to work the best for me. For computer use, I found it best to put it near my monitor, not near me. Marc  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Hello Ada  I read this a week ago and meant to reply but only had time to do quick posts and wouldn't have had time to respond properly. Firstly thank you for your concern about my surgery - the last time I saw him my consultant said it would be happening some time early in the New Year [is that Jan? Feb? ] so I need to firm up when that is going to be. I'm not wild about the prospect of going through it but he says that the problems I have aren't going to go away on their own - although part of me wonders what would happen if I could find and stay in some sort of healing environment for a decent length of time [as opposed to being bombarded by electrical pollution wherever I go] and whether that would make a difference - would my body just be able to heal by itself? I'd love to put that theory to the test because I think that my inability to heal is caused by the electrical pollution.  I haven't looked up the urine therapy link - I can imagine what it entails !!!- are you still doing that?  I have been at my parents house for the last 6 months, trying to desensitise myself a bit - I have some sensitivity in their house but I can cope with it and there is no where else I can go. I am so sorry that you can't cope at your Mum's house and that it doesn't offer you some sort of a refuge from sensitivity. Are you still there? I tried to go back to my house last Sunday - I stuck it out for a week but it was unbearable. At night, in bed, I had pain like my whole body was being pelted really hard all over with loads of tiny ball bearings - sort of stinging skin pain - and then I started to get a sort of arthritic type pain in my joints - and there was the constant feeling of vibration - and that was with only using a couple of electrical appliances [fridge kettle toaster hob etc] and all of those unplugged all the time when not in use. I don't feel it so much when I am moving around and its much worse when I am sitting or lying down. So I repacked my stuff again [i have a new respect for bag ladies] and went back to my parents house - and back to sleeping on a mattress on their living room floor.  I went back to my house for a couple of hours today just to get a few of my things and wondered to myself " wonder what it is like out in the back garden - ie are these sensations confined to the indoor areas of my house? " . When I first went outside it seemed ok but the closer I got to the back fence I could feel the pain and the buzzy vibration sensation all over my body. I don't know if that is coming from cell towers, or from a neighbour's Wireless broad band or dect phone or could it maybe be coming from stray ground currents?  I am so down at the moment - I know there are people who are way worse off than me, but right now I just can't see what to do next.  Hope things are improving for you where ever you happen to be over christmas.  Best wishes  Steph                From: <reader41ymail (DOT) com> Subject: BIOPROTECT CARD groups (DOT) com Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 3:03 AM Hi everyone Has anyone in the group tried a bioprotect card - if so what were your experiences with it - I am thinking of trying one and have checekd out their site but am wondering if the things they maintain their product can do are actually possible. I'd really appreciate any feedback on this. Best wishes Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Dear  and Laurel.  I feel for you both - I really do - I feel  for all of us really. This thing is like being a refugee on planet earth . I love it here and yet one feels like one is constantly being driven out. No place feels viable or safe-   constant movement and interference  never being able to rest, worrying about the simplest of things.  To be safe and unmolested in your home is a basic human need. With this emf terrorism it is so hard to find any where to settle let alone setting about trying to heal. But be that as it may try not to loose heart , if your like me somedays are better than others , and there are always little things to find joy in.  Anyway my thoughts are with you  Ada  I " Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night. " unknown From: <reader41ymail (DOT) com> Subject: BIOPROTECT CARD groups (DOT) com Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 3:03 AM Hi everyone Has anyone in the group tried a bioprotect card - if so what were your experiences with it - I am thinking of trying one and have checekd out their site but am wondering if the things they maintain their product can do are actually possible. I'd really appreciate any feedback on this. Best wishes Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Hi Ada, Laurel and everyone out there who is suffering badly with their EMF sensitivity  You expressed very concisely exactly what I have been feeling myself over the last 7 days or so. A person's home should be their sanctuary - whatever form that might take from one person to the next - the conditions of which they should have some control over - if that is taken away in the arbitrary way that it is done by EMF pollution against which you can't effectively shield yourself then you are to all intents and purposes homeless. That is the way that I feel at the moment - I have a home I can't live in and while I have a roof over my head at my parents house, which is not completely EMF free either, I am living out of a holdall and feel like I am in everybody's way. Today my niece and nephew gave me a beautiful silver pendant for Christmas and are insisting I wear it at lunch tomorrow. For them I will, but to wear it in general would break every rule there is about not wearing metal on the body. I know I know its not a big deal, but I just wish i had that freedom of choice... Perhaps 2009 will bring more research and more understanding about the difficulties all this technology overload causes.  Best wishes to everyone in the group.  Steph From: <reader41ymail (DOT) com> Subject: BIOPROTECT CARD groups (DOT) com Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 3:03 AM Hi everyone Has anyone in the group tried a bioprotect card - if so what were your experiences with it - I am thinking of trying one and have checekd out their site but am wondering if the things they maintain their product can do are actually possible. I'd really appreciate any feedback on this. Best wishes Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Hello , yes, I do know the Bioprotect card very well. I advise it to all my electrosensible customers, and tell them where to buy it, because I myself do not sell anything. For my wife, we have tried a lot of *things*, but from all of them, the BioProtect came out as best and most affordable. ( f.i. the BioElectrical Shield, the Nabat, the Springlife Polariser, the Wikroma amulet, etc.) When Ido house investigations, I have a small container with me, with those things, and let my customers try them. When they feel them with their hands, and hang them on, most people prefer the BioProtect card. Some do feel an improvement instantly. On: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina164b.html just above the image of the card, there is an english article which describes the card. I know what this card contains, and what is its principle of working, so I can assure you, that it is no scam. However, it is my opinion, that this card only works within some degree of electrosensibility. If you are sunken too deep, it does not work suuficiently. And persons, who are not electrosensible, may experience adverse effects like headaches. But first of all, start *cleaning* your body with a detox system (f.i. ionic foot spa), liver cleansing à la Hulda , etc. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton BIOPROTECT CARD > Hi Everyone! > > I finally got around to ordering my bioprotect card and it arrived this > morning. Since opening the package I have been trying not to be too > cynical, but the more I look at the thing I am wondering if I have been > scammed or conned? It seems to be a piece of thin blue coloured cardboard > with the word bioprotect printed on it in gold lettering and the whole > thing has been encased in a thin plastic laminate. I can't see where the > supposed " information " it is supposed to carry could be stored, encrypted > or printed. So I'm thinking I should just send it back fairly quickly > since you get 2 weeks to return it - which isn't a long time. > > Before I do, I was wondering, is there anyone in the group (who doesn't > have links to the organisation which produces and sells these cards), who > might have tried these cards or could vouch for them having some sort of > effect? , do you know anything about this product? Would you expect > it to be as I have described it here and does it do anything? > > Many thanks > > Steph > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Hello Thank you very much for this [very quick!] and informative post. I have checked out the link to your site and looked at the leaflet in English and think it is worth a try. Forgive my cynicism /scepticism, its just as a desperate Esser I feel a bit vulnerable to the " snake oil " salesmen out there. I will place it beneath my bed tonight which will be a good test and see what happens. Thanks also for the detoxing advice. i am trying to detox and feel that my liver pathways may not be working the best so a liver cleanse may help me. Many thanks for your response. Best wishes Steph From: charles@... <charles@...> Subject: Re: BIOPROTECT CARD Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 1:11 PM Hello , yes, I do know the Bioprotect card very well. I advise it to all my electrosensible customers, and tell them where to buy it, because I myself do not sell anything. For my wife, we have tried a lot of *things*, but from all of them, the BioProtect came out as best and most affordable. ( f.i. the BioElectrical Shield, the Nabat, the Springlife Polariser, the Wikroma amulet, etc.) When Ido house investigations, I have a small container with me, with those things, and let my customers try them. When they feel them with their hands, and hang them on, most people prefer the BioProtect card. Some do feel an improvement instantly. On: http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina164b. html just above the image of the card, there is an english article which describes the card. I know what this card contains, and what is its principle of working, so I can assure you, that it is no scam. However, it is my opinion, that this card only works within some degree of electrosensibility. If you are sunken too deep, it does not work suuficiently. And persons, who are not electrosensible, may experience adverse effects like headaches. But first of all, start *cleaning* your body with a detox system (f.i. ionic foot spa), liver cleansing à la Hulda , etc. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton BIOPROTECT CARD > Hi Everyone! > > I finally got around to ordering my bioprotect card and it arrived this > morning. Since opening the package I have been trying not to be too > cynical, but the more I look at the thing I am wondering if I have been > scammed or conned? It seems to be a piece of thin blue coloured cardboard > with the word bioprotect printed on it in gold lettering and the whole > thing has been encased in a thin plastic laminate. I can't see where the > supposed " information " it is supposed to carry could be stored, encrypted > or printed. So I'm thinking I should just send it back fairly quickly > since you get 2 weeks to return it - which isn't a long time. > > Before I do, I was wondering, is there anyone in the group (who doesn't > have links to the organisation which produces and sells these cards), who > might have tried these cards or could vouch for them having some sort of > effect? , do you know anything about this product? Would you expect > it to be as I have described it here and does it do anything? > > Many thanks > > Steph > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Hello , I do not think that placing the card under your bed is a good idea. Normally it should be worn close to the body (because it needs the infrared emanating from your body). Most women wear it in their bra, or even in their shoes. Horizontally it has a bit more effect than vertically. When I am going to places where a lot of elektrosmog is supposed to be, I wear this card in a plactic bank pass (credit card) holder, on which I have placed a cord, to hang it around my neck, and the card hangs on my solar plexis. Most engineers find this hocuspocus, because they do not understand the biological implications of longitudinal waves, which are in the Terahertz Region. Most professionals admit THAT some symptons may occur by electromagnetic fields, but becaus they do not understand HOW those symptoms can occur, they find electrosensibility unreal. On lectures, I feel the thumbs of some people and ask them what they feel. They reply: nothing! When I feel my own thumb, I also do not feel anything. Then I hit my thumb with a hammer (as a matter of speaking), and when I come near my thumb, I feel already pain. Most ES studies are done on healthy thumbs, and no effects were found. Only when studies are done on hammered thumbs, one can learn someting. However, most scientists claim, that they do not understand why the hammered thumb has this blue color. They do not know why it hasn't got the color yellow or orange, or another color. Because they do not understand, I should not feel pain at all. That is the point with those scientists regarding electrosensibles. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton BIOPROTECT CARD > Hi Everyone! > > I finally got around to ordering my bioprotect card and it arrived this > morning. Since opening the package I have been trying not to be too > cynical, but the more I look at the thing I am wondering if I have been > scammed or conned? It seems to be a piece of thin blue coloured cardboard > with the word bioprotect printed on it in gold lettering and the whole > thing has been encased in a thin plastic laminate. I can't see where the > supposed " information " it is supposed to carry could be stored, encrypted > or printed. So I'm thinking I should just send it back fairly quickly > since you get 2 weeks to return it - which isn't a long time. > > Before I do, I was wondering, is there anyone in the group (who doesn't > have links to the organisation which produces and sells these cards), who > might have tried these cards or could vouch for them having some sort of > effect? , do you know anything about this product? Would you expect > it to be as I have described it here and does it do anything? > > Many thanks > > Steph > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Hello THank you for this. I'm glad you replied because I have still more questions to ask - sorry!! I wore the card yesterday, and seemed to do quite well . I didn't have the " strong " reaction [or the " healing reaction " ] which the website i bought it from [www.golden-ray.com] said I might experience. I don't know what that tells me - perhaps that my level of electrosensitivity is lower than I had thought, if so that is some good news for me. I hadn't seen this post last night so when I went to bed I placed the card beneat the bed, but felt nothing, then I placed it beside my bed which seemed to be ok. I looked at the website where I bought it just now and their advice was to place it horizontally on a flat wooden sueface to get the 15m radius dome of shielding. I am going to try this tonight [i'll wear it on my person during the day], but that then wouldn't match up with your advice that it needs the infrared emanating from the body. I have 2 questions which you might be able to answer based on your experience. 1. Carlo has said that some devices designed to help people cope with electrosmog can eventually cause more harm to an individual than good and can end up making them worse. As you know the principles on how this bioprotect card works, do you think it falls into this category Dr Carlo is talking about. 2. Have you any experience of people using the large Bioprotect 400 card which is supposed to offer 400m radius of protection? I am sure I can come up with a lot more questions given time!! [LOL] but would be very grateful for any advice you would have on these questions. Many thanks Steph From: charles@milieuziekt es.be <charles@milieuziekt es.be> Subject: Re: BIOPROTECT CARD groups (DOT) com Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 1:11 PM Hello , yes, I do know the Bioprotect card very well. I advise it to all my electrosensible customers, and tell them where to buy it, because I myself do not sell anything. For my wife, we have tried a lot of *things*, but from all of them, the BioProtect came out as best and most affordable. ( f.i. the BioElectrical Shield, the Nabat, the Springlife Polariser, the Wikroma amulet, etc.) When Ido house investigations, I have a small container with me, with those things, and let my customers try them. When they feel them with their hands, and hang them on, most people prefer the BioProtect card. Some do feel an improvement instantly. On: http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina164b. html just above the image of the card, there is an english article which describes the card. I know what this card contains, and what is its principle of working, so I can assure you, that it is no scam. However, it is my opinion, that this card only works within some degree of electrosensibility. If you are sunken too deep, it does not work suuficiently. And persons, who are not electrosensible, may experience adverse effects like headaches. But first of all, start *cleaning* your body with a detox system (f.i. ionic foot spa), liver cleansing à la Hulda , etc. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton BIOPROTECT CARD > Hi Everyone! > > I finally got around to ordering my bioprotect card and it arrived this > morning. Since opening the package I have been trying not to be too > cynical, but the more I look at the thing I am wondering if I have been > scammed or conned? It seems to be a piece of thin blue coloured cardboard > with the word bioprotect printed on it in gold lettering and the whole > thing has been encased in a thin plastic laminate. I can't see where the > supposed " information " it is supposed to carry could be stored, encrypted > or printed. So I'm thinking I should just send it back fairly quickly > since you get 2 weeks to return it - which isn't a long time. > > Before I do, I was wondering, is there anyone in the group (who doesn't > have links to the organisation which produces and sells these cards), who > might have tried these cards or could vouch for them having some sort of > effect? , do you know anything about this product? Would you expect > it to be as I have described it here and does it do anything? > > Many thanks > > Steph > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Hello , first of all Carlo is a nice person, but *he does not know what make electrosensibles tick*. That is the point most technicians have. They all talk about Wattage, that is the strength of a signal, which must have a minimum in order to have any adverse health effect, they say. That is rubbish. It is not the strength of a signal which is the pertinent part, but it is the information this signal is carrying. I do know persons who can stand very strong DECT signals, but fall apart with very tiny other DECT signals. I still have not found out what is the reason for this may be. Overhere DECT runs from 1880-1900 MHz, and the pulsrate is 100 Hz. It is a matter of longitudinal waves, a very controversial issue, but that is the case. They are somewhere in the TeraHertz region, where also the cosmic rays are present. Cosmic rays do come from the earth as welle as from space, and we do need them for living. The artificial radiation does disturb these rays. And *things* like the Bioprotect card can enhance and neutralize this in a special way. Our body reacts to this. That can be measured. All of those *things* do nothing with the normal radiation, the transversal waves, which we can measure and from which we can shield ourselves partly, because the longitudinal waves pass right through shieldings. The BioProtect 400 card is seldomly used. In some cases for earth beams. Now regarding other *things*. Here Dr. Carlo is right. Things that contain cristals may become satisfied after some time and start radiating negative information. We experienced that for instance with the BioElectrical Shield, which worked fine for some time, but then started to give nasty feelings. Hanging in the sun, or a few days on a Purple Plate *cleaned and charged* it again. That is also the case with ozolite en benzolite, two commonly used cristals. The BioProtect card does not contain any crystals. Be aware, that many shielding materials, as well as brickwork, may show this same effect. I could measure that over a number of years in my appartment. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton BIOPROTECT CARD > Hi Everyone! > > I finally got around to ordering my bioprotect card and it arrived this > morning. Since opening the package I have been trying not to be too > cynical, but the more I look at the thing I am wondering if I have been > scammed or conned? It seems to be a piece of thin blue coloured cardboard > with the word bioprotect printed on it in gold lettering and the whole > thing has been encased in a thin plastic laminate. I can't see where the > supposed " information " it is supposed to carry could be stored, encrypted > or printed. So I'm thinking I should just send it back fairly quickly > since you get 2 weeks to return it - which isn't a long time. > > Before I do, I was wondering, is there anyone in the group (who doesn't > have links to the organisation which produces and sells these cards), who > might have tried these cards or could vouch for them having some sort of > effect? , do you know anything about this product? Would you expect > it to be as I have described it here and does it do anything? > > Many thanks > > Steph > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 > I wore the card yesterday, and seemed to do quite well . I didn't have > the " strong " reaction [or the " healing reaction " ] which the website i > bought it from [www.golden-ray.com] said I might experience. I don't know > what that tells me - perhaps that my level of electrosensitivity is lower > than I had thought It's certainly possible that a different EMF protection device will cause a strong reaction with you. Having tried many devices over the years, my initial reactions have ranged from nothing at all to very strong within just a few minutes. > 1. Carlo has said that some devices designed to help people cope > with electrosmog can eventually cause more harm to an individual than > good and can end up making them worse. I read a paper from Carlo that said this, and to be honest I thought that many of the assertions he made in that paper were just plain wrong. It made me wonder how much experience he's really had with ES (very little, it appeared) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Give it a little time to see results. I bought one for my wife and when it arrived at the office, I put it in my pocket to take home to her. By the time I reached home, I noticed my arthritis pain had subsided. We promptly order two more. I carriy one and my wife has one around her neck and one stuck to her cellphone. It is not a cure, but another helpful device which helps. Mike (I am not affiliated with any co. that sells these, just my own experience) From: <reader41@...> Subject: BIOPROTECT CARD Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 5:47 AM Hi Everyone! I finally got around to ordering my bioprotect card and it arrived this morning. Since opening the package I have been trying not to be too cynical, but the more I look at the thing I am wondering if I have been scammed or conned? It seems to be a piece of thin blue coloured cardboard with the word bioprotect printed on it in gold lettering and the whole thing has been encased in a thin plastic laminate. I can't see where the supposed " information " it is supposed to carry could be stored, encrypted or printed. So I'm thinking I should just send it back fairly quickly since you get 2 weeks to return it - which isn't a long time. Before I do, I was wondering, is there anyone in the group (who doesn't have links to the organisation which produces and sells these cards), who might have tried these cards or could vouch for them having some sort of effect? , do you know anything about this product? Would you expect it to be as I have described it here and does it do anything? Many thanks Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hey steph, how you going? . Let me know if you have a good effect with this. I am currently working away on a contract and the accomodation they have put me in is like an electromagnetic snake pit -Horrendous!. My question is how long did it take for the product to arrive? IM thinking of getting something to try and help em out here. Also did you end up staying on the cottage cheese diet? Did you end up trying anything else that helped? regards Ada > > From: charles@milieuziekt es.be <charles@milieuziekt es.be> > Subject: Re: BIOPROTECT CARD > groups (DOT) com > Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 1:11 PM > > Hello , > > yes, I do know the Bioprotect card very well. > > I advise it to all my electrosensible customers, and tell them where to buy > it, because I myself do not sell anything. > > For my wife, we have tried a lot of *things*, but from all of them, the > BioProtect came out as best and most affordable. ( f.i. the BioElectrical > Shield, the Nabat, the Springlife Polariser, the Wikroma amulet, etc.) > When Ido house investigations, I have a small container with me, with those > things, and let my customers try them. > When they feel them with their hands, and hang them on, most people prefer > the BioProtect card. > Some do feel an improvement instantly. > > On: http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina164b. html just above the image of > the > card, there is an english article which describes the card. > > I know what this card contains, and what is its principle of working, so I > can assure you, that it is no scam. > > However, it is my opinion, that this card only works within some degree of > electrosensibility. > If you are sunken too deep, it does not work suuficiently. > And persons, who are not electrosensible, may experience adverse effects > like headaches. > > But first of all, start *cleaning* your body with a detox system (f.i. ionic > foot spa), liver cleansing à la Hulda , etc. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes. nl > www.milieuziektes. be > www.hetbitje. nl > checked by Norton > > BIOPROTECT CARD > > > Hi Everyone! > > > > I finally got around to ordering my bioprotect card and it arrived this > > morning. Since opening the package I have been trying not to be too > > cynical, but the more I look at the thing I am wondering if I have been > > scammed or conned? It seems to be a piece of thin blue coloured cardboard > > with the word bioprotect printed on it in gold lettering and the whole > > thing has been encased in a thin plastic laminate. I can't see where the > > supposed " information " it is supposed to carry could be stored, encrypted > > or printed. So I'm thinking I should just send it back fairly quickly > > since you get 2 weeks to return it - which isn't a long time. > > > > Before I do, I was wondering, is there anyone in the group (who doesn't > > have links to the organisation which produces and sells these cards), who > > might have tried these cards or could vouch for them having some sort of > > effect? , do you know anything about this product? Would you expect > > it to be as I have described it here and does it do anything? > > > > Many thanks > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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