Re: I am about ready to give up.

[Guest guest]

Ian has brought up an important point. Same was true for me, too, , re

liver pathway dysfunctions and having to treat them.

On another note, my nutritionist was really getting frustrated because I

couldn't seem to get toxins out. He later found it very humorous that organic

potato chips seemed to do the trick for me! Seriously. Here I was on all this

healthfood and I needed the saturated fat! I actually lost weight when I

ate potato chips because my fat deposits gave up the toxic wastes that they were

holding onto. We tried all the omega and fish oils, supplements of all

types.... but only saturated fat seemed to work for me!

Diane

Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:

, every sympathy in your predicament. One other angle could be

that

your liver may be failing to detoxify and remove various substances from

your body. There are a number of " detoxification pathways " and if one or

more of these are not functioning or the body chemicals have got depleted,

even if you take all the things that " detoxify " your system, the products

may not be able to get out of your body. My wife Sue has had MCS and ES,

tried lots of supplements over 2-3 years with little effect, then had

specialist tests done on the liver functions which showed 2 pathways not

functioning and 2 others (glutathione and sulphate) totally depleted from

struggling to cope with the extra load. In her case she has needed

intravenous infusions and these have improved her health a lot. But without

knowing the exact cause of one's problems it's very difficult to treat them

effectively. Since your problems date from childhood, it may be that one or

other of the pathways has always been out of action.

Best wishes, Ian

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Bolden

Sent: 03 September 2007 20:23

Subject: Re: I am about ready to give up.

Hey Marc, thanks for getting back to me. I haven't tried NCD yet; however, I

have tried something called EDTA; which didn't do a thing. I even took it

through the rectum, and it burned, so I couldn't continue. Truth be told, I

think that my whole system is totally overloaded. Why, I don't know. The

only thing that I do know is that I have had terrible allergies all of my

life; and my immune system seems to respond absolutely EVERYTHING in a

negative manner--it has been this way since I was a kid--and differently

than my family members and other people that I know. I can't figure out why

my system is so damn SENSITIVE. It picks up on things that others don't at

all. It hasn't be a benefit to me at all.

For the past 10 years, I have had an acne problem that is strange. I get

nothing but white plugs in my skin; mostly on my face and my chest, back,

shoulders and stomach. The acne isn't normal, and it has left me with

circular scars on my chest. I have to squeeze the plugs out of my skin

because they won't come out otherwise. They are always hard white plugs. I

notice that out of everybody in my family, I am the only one getting this

weird stuff.

Something is terribly wrong with my immune system. It doesn't react like a

normal person's should. However, every time I have went to the doctor they

always say that I am the picture of health. I don't agree at all. I have

gotten my gallbladder checked--they said that it had a 97% squeeze rate--my

colon check--they found no polops, and everything looked perfect--my cranial

nerves checked. Everything.

I have tried various methods to detoxify. I have tried Cilantro drops with

chlorella pills, colon cleanses, Lecithin, all types of stuff. It just seems

like my body doesn't respond to anything at all.

I looked up NCD on the web, not really too bad; however, it is a little

costly if you want three of them to a box. I am thinking about trying it;

however, I am little skeptical because I wonder what would make it any

different from all the other things that I have tried. Can you explain to me

how it may be different than EDTA? They said that EDTA was used to cleanse

heavy metals. However, it didn't do a thing for me at all.

I just want to know what I am getting into before I purchase it.

Please get back me.

Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com> wrote: > I

don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;

I don't think there is such a thing a " permanent case of ES " . Certainly

someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things

to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that

people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that

will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try

all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.

> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as " Natural Cellular

Defense " or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who

have " tried everything " (or so they say), and that this was

the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this

supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very

small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at

first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly

to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have

a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with

a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be

able to later ramp up to something higher.

> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.

Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning

liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and

urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning

saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine

should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning

livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see

very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and

very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then

you could use something to help support your ability

to drain acids, like " Liver Life " from BioRay, or

some people take " Milk Thistle " . Also drinking

a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water

can help your body drain acids.

> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water

> will change colors with this ION foot spa?

I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple

times. I didn't notice any change in my health with

only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky

brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy

about how much of this stuff actually came from inside

of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even

if you don't put your feet in the water.

Marc

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I agree with you, , re moving around, you are focused on other things and so

feel better because of redirecting your focus, etc. But also, the lymphatic

system runs on muscle movement. So, if you have a toxic problem, you must

exercise in order to move the toxins out of your body. Anything that gets you

to a detox state or less toxic state is going to make you feel better. And that

includes exercise.

Diane

paulpjc@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/3/2007 8:43:23 PM GMT Daylight Time,

jbbolden24@... writes:

.. For some reason, I also feel alot better when I exercise too. It is when I

don't do anything that it becomes a problem. I can be in a room full of

computers; however, if I am doing heavy exercise it is almost as if I don't feel

anything for a while.

My problem is a weird one. If I am in a new environment, my body won't react

for a while; until it gets used to the environment; then all of the symptoms

come back. I can be in an environment FULL of computers, and it still won't

react for a while. I can be in a computer lab, in front of a monitor, and my

body won't reacy for like 15 mins. Then it starts. However, it is never as

worse as it is when I am at home.

My body seems to know full well what the hell it is doing. That is what is

so weird about my case. From what I read on here, I have read accounts from

pAUL uk replies

,Perhaps there is a gene that gets switched on which sets the whole process

of sensitivity in motion due to an emf trauma/chemical event further

reinforced by phychological stress event at the same time.or viceverser..?

Perhaps

the gene was once of some pertinant use a throwback of the earliest vertabral

ansestors. If this were the case then it is not so easy to switch this ghost

gene off ! It may also be that this is indeed then a sense in its own right,

we may not have a sensory organ (or one that cannot be found as no one knows

what to look for - but our skin and nervous system is a big enough sensory

organ.and so can be somewhat manipulated consciensly/sub consciensly by the

individual for better of for worse..and sometimes when one is in a state of

heightened sensitivity the radar is in full sweep mode.

I have noticed that if I am moving around I am not so quick to notice my

sypmtoms, perhaps the high end sensing is not engaged, but no mistake that

somatic effects are still taking place, time/exposure dependant etc also could

be

due to emfs focusing on certain body parts such as the head when stationary,

more diluted if moving around.

there is also the issue of adrenaline and such like so when in new

environments this may sheild or supress symptoms periodically hence the time

lag,

when in your home this is set to your base line, you are tottally familiar with

it, sounds,smells,sights and emfs and you may have more time to be critical

of the environment as there are not so many distracting elements, so your

sensing radar is in critical sweep mode all the time in your home, its your

territory and no one must pollute it and so on, quite primeevil !

I suppose that when one is at a computer you are more aware of EMF becuase

its a scource of emf/rf quite literally in your face, you are also accessing

parts of the brain that are likely to become impaired by the EMF, such as

working memory so is a double whammy. In an office or lab, you are getting such

an onslaught that the chemical cascade that results in symptoms will be more

componded for a while longer hence the time lag.

I go to my local car boot sale once in a while the joy of the event

overrides the fact that there is a powerful mast in the carpark, it ussually

takes

about 20mins before I realise that my thoughts and indeed speech slows down

and I realise I have been kind-of sleepwalking, then my whole day is like a bad

dream. As far as the exersise example is concerned as above dont forget

that the mood enhancing endorphins will be present plus the centres of the brain

that you are using are not so intrested in clarity of detailed thought, but

there is no doubt in my mind that your body is lkely to be working that much

harder during the exersising if you are in a high Emf environment such as a

typical gym.

I am now squiffed it took 10mins and I have endured it for a further 15

writing this, hope it makes some sense as I am not going to check it. Yes many

of us can apparently function with ES, but this invisible disease makes 9to5

work non sustainable self limiting everyday lfe becomes somewhat impaired, if

all the offending technologies were suddendly switched off, I wonder how long

it would take for Essers to regain themselves.

uk

[Guest guest]

I read that we need not suffer the action of a gene, because they can

be switched on/off at will.

For instance the " overweight gene " can be switched off by choosing to

eat a low carbohydrate/high fat paleolithic diet. This also seems to

switch off the gene(s) for heart disease/arthritis/etc. which are

commonly associated with obesity.

Many have done this. Many others have not the will to do so.

>

> ,Perhaps there is a gene that gets switched on which sets the

whole process

> of sensitivity in motion due to an emf trauma/chemical event

further

> reinforced by phychological stress event at the same time.or

viceverser..? Perhaps

> the gene was once of some pertinant use a throwback of the

earliest vertabral

> ansestors. If this were the case then it is not so easy to switch

this ghost

> gene off !

[Guest guest]

> Here I was on all this healthfood and I needed the saturated fat!

Heh, heh, that's pretty funny.

The marketers of coconut oil and raw whole milk also promote the

need for quality saturated fats. However, I spent periods trying

them both, and they did was make me gain weight! And the coconut

oil weakened my legs (one of the symptoms of MS -- another illness

linked to heavy metals). Fortunately, the weak legs went away by

replacing the saturated fats with an omega-3 fatty acid supplement.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I'm sorry to hear how bad your ES is. It's very hard to live with

this so I wanted to share a few things that are helping me to

recover.

Double check the dental issues - find out what type of metals are in

your crowns. I found out that I'm extremely sensitive to pallidium

which was 80% of two of my crowns. This metal is very toxic and is

banned for use in dental materials in Sweden so I've read. I also

have amalgam under some old crowns - another issue you should have

checked out. The last thing I will address after this is root canals

I have three and have not decided yet whether or not I will have

these teeth pulled. Make sure you are seeing a holistic dentist.

However, since having my two crowns removed, my health is just

beginning to improve - and once my immune system is up to par - I

know it will help reduce the ES incidence. I've already had some

improvement.

I'd advise everyone on this list to check out the crowns and metals

issue as my ES started almost one month to the day that I had my last

new crown put in.

Also, some days when I thought I would go crazy - as I also have

mercury problems too - I started to study the meditation and healing

techniques of Dr. Zing Gang Sha, author of Soul Mind Body Medicine

which I find very helpful for healing and relaxation. His website is

www.drsha.com. This approach to healing has helped me alot as I

can't watch tv with my ES so I listen to Dr. Sha's healing sessions

via phone and it has done wonders to help me balance and cope with

the ES much better.

By the way, I gave up all the remedies for now like cilantro and

other stuff the naturopath recommended because I got much worse and

very weak to point I could hardly function. Just the thought of

going to the dentist was a nightmare because I was so unstable from

the ES. So I got a juicer and a sprout grower and these natural

foods are wonderful for health.

A life with ES isn't easy so I will say a prayer for you and hope

that relief comes soon. I hope some of these tips are helpful to you

and others.

Donna

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Re: I am about ready to give up.

> Hi :

>

> I'm sorry to hear how bad your ES is. It's very hard to live with

> this so I wanted to share a few things that are helping me to

> recover.

>

> Double check the dental issues - find out what type of metals are in

> your crowns. I found out that I'm extremely sensitive to pallidium

> which was 80% of two of my crowns. This metal is very toxic and is

> banned for use in dental materials in Sweden so I've read. I also

> have amalgam under some old crowns - another issue you should have

> checked out. The last thing I will address after this is root canals

> I have three and have not decided yet whether or not I will have

> these teeth pulled. Make sure you are seeing a holistic dentist.

>

> However, since having my two crowns removed, my health is just

> beginning to improve - and once my immune system is up to par - I

> know it will help reduce the ES incidence. I've already had some

> improvement.

>

> I'd advise everyone on this list to check out the crowns and metals

> issue as my ES started almost one month to the day that I had my last

> new crown put in.

>

> Also, some days when I thought I would go crazy - as I also have

> mercury problems too - I started to study the meditation and healing

> techniques of Dr. Zing Gang Sha, author of Soul Mind Body Medicine

> which I find very helpful for healing and relaxation. His website is

> www.drsha.com. This approach to healing has helped me alot as I

> can't watch tv with my ES so I listen to Dr. Sha's healing sessions

> via phone and it has done wonders to help me balance and cope with

> the ES much better.

>

> By the way, I gave up all the remedies for now like cilantro and

> other stuff the naturopath recommended because I got much worse and

> very weak to point I could hardly function. Just the thought of

> going to the dentist was a nightmare because I was so unstable from

> the ES. So I got a juicer and a sprout grower and these natural

> foods are wonderful for health.

>

> A life with ES isn't easy so I will say a prayer for you and hope

> that relief comes soon. I hope some of these tips are helpful to you

> and others.

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

Say ,

Would you mind giving a little more info about your experiment?

How much time between 'exposures'. What were the actual

sequences of Yes's and No's and when were you sure and not sure?

Also, did you have any way to make sure there was not some other

changing signal? Refrigerator cycling? Neighbor using a cell phone?

Bill

On 9/3/07, Coffman <pkcoff@...> wrote:

>

> I had something happen today that made me rethink this whole EMF thing.

> I

> decided to blind test myself with a wireless router with my uncle. Before

> the test, we were in his basement and I was holding the router in my hand

> and plugging it in and noticing pain between my ears like I normally do

> and

> then turning it off and the pain goes away. Then for the test I had my

> uncle write series of 8 yes or no's - a yes would mean he would turn the

> router on and a no would mean he would turn it off. Then 8 times I would

> leave and come into the room and stand right next to this thing and not

> look

> at it so I didn't know if it was on or off and then see I would write down

> on my own paper if I felt the router on or off. I was sure I would score

> 100%. During the test I was pretty sure on some and then very sure on a

> couple. However, when I compared the results I was wrong about half the

> time, including the times when I was very sure this thing was on or very

> sure it was off - as in no symptoms, even though it was on. We did this

> test again with the same inaccuracies by me. This lead me to conclude 1 of

> 2 things:

>

> 1.) These energy fields really don't have a biological effect and it is

> 100% psychological.

> 2.) These energy fileds do have a biological effect, but my mind or

> subconscious plays a gigantic role on how they actually affect me.

>

> There's a ton of studies that say there is a definite biological effect by

> these energy fields on cellular function, so #1 can't be the case, so

> right

> now I am thinking it is #2. I don't yet know what or how I will continue

> with dealing with this issue because I too have had my life ruined by it,

> but it makes me start looking at this thing differently and believing alot

> more in the power of my mind or life force or whatever else is reacting so

> horribly to this stuff. I have a hypno therapist I'm going to start seeing

> in earnest again I think at this point. Try some similar test yourself and

> see what happens, it may surprise you as it did me.

>

> On 9/2/07, jbbolden24 <jbbolden24@... <jbbolden24%40>>

> wrote:

> >

> > I am about ready to end my life over this damn problem. I have been

> > in pain for 4 years since my initial exposure. I have tried damn near

> > everything.

> >

> > I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I have

> > gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my

> > wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried has

> > stopped my EMF Sensitivity.

> >

> > It is almost as if my body just wants to be in pain. I have the same

> > pain in the back of my gums that I had in the beginning. I have had

> > come and go bouts of facial tingling, burning, and etc. However,

> > those symptoms come and go. However, the pain in my nerves where my

> > wisdom teeth would be located in my upper jaw NEVER STOPS. How in the

> > hell can my body get caught in such a damn infinite loop like this?

> > It hasn't stoppped since I was overexposed damn near 4 year ago.

> >

> > Before October of 2003, I couldn't even FEEL EMF's. Now, I can't even

> > imagine what it was like to feel that way anymomre. Never in my life

> > did I ever think that I would encounter a problem so damn hard to

> > solve. I mean, I can't even get relief. I don't understand why my

> > body doesn't RESPOND to anything like other people's on here did.

> >

> > My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only time I

> > get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or go

> > outside and get some fresh air. I build up some sort of tolerance.

> > However, once my body senses EMF's in the environment again, it goes

> > right back to the same painful state that it was in before.

> >

> > I have tried EMF protection devices, and none of them made a

> > difference. I just don't know what to do.

> >

> > I am not sure what vitamins to take to heal my injured nervous system.

> >

> > Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu Kola, bee

> > pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were

> > good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,

> > because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this disorder.

> >

> > Someone please get back to me,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Coffman

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wellll, I am not saying that what works for me, works for all! That was

kind of my point... we all hear what we are supposed to be doing for this and

that.... But in actuality it is more difficult than what it sounds, because we

are all individuals with different individual needs based upon what our

particular diets were previously and the way our bodies react to various inputs.

I just threw the saturated fat idea out there incase some here have tried it all

and the all doesn't work for them either. The thing, too, was that I LOST

weight instead of gaining on the saturated fat. I am thinking that if you gain

on saturated fat, this is probably not doing a thing for you re toxin removal.

My body had found a nifty little way to deal with all the toxins that were

bothering me--just make new adipose fat deposits to put all the crap I couldn't

deal with into. It was only the introduction of the saturated fats that tricked

my body into giving the toxins up.

Diane

Marc <marc@...> wrote:

> Here I was on all this healthfood and I needed the saturated fat!

Heh, heh, that's pretty funny.

The marketers of coconut oil and raw whole milk also promote the

need for quality saturated fats. However, I spent periods trying

them both, and they did was make me gain weight! And the coconut

oil weakened my legs (one of the symptoms of MS -- another illness

linked to heavy metals). Fortunately, the weak legs went away by

replacing the saturated fats with an omega-3 fatty acid supplement.

Marc

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> Wellll, I am not saying that what works for me, works for all! That

> was kind of my point... we all hear what we are supposed to be doing for

> this and that.... But in actuality it is more difficult than what it

> sounds

Yes indeed... for example, many people suggest taking cod liver

oil, but taking these cause me extreme adverse reactions! However,

I have no problem taking salmon oil capsules, krill oil capsules

(in moderation), or flax seed oil.

But I do agree that one should experiment with various kinds of fats

and see what reactions they get.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Saturated fat + carbohydrates = obesity

www.paleodiet.com

I can't stand the taste of the coconut oil I tried, and milk/dairy is

an allergen for too many people, including me.

I bet if you try animal fat and completely eliminate all

carbohydrates that you shall lose weight.

>

> > Here I was on all this healthfood and I needed the saturated

fat!

>

> Heh, heh, that's pretty funny.

>

> The marketers of coconut oil and raw whole milk also promote the

> need for quality saturated fats. However, I spent periods trying

> them both, and they did was make me gain weight! And the coconut

> oil weakened my legs (one of the symptoms of MS -- another illness

> linked to heavy metals). Fortunately, the weak legs went away by

> replacing the saturated fats with an omega-3 fatty acid supplement.

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

Those who can gain weight on High saturated fat, moderate meat, low

to zero carbohydrate cannot be mammals.

www.paleodiet.com

It is hard to do, and hard to find pure food.

The problem is that carbs are addictive, and people fool themselves.

I just threw the

saturated fat idea out there incase some here have tried it all and

the all doesn't work for them either. The thing, too, was that I

LOST weight instead of gaining on the saturated fat. I am thinking

that if you gain on saturated fat, this is probably not doing a thing

for you re toxin removal.

[Guest guest]

,

You say you have tried everything. I am wondering if you've tried moving to

a less populated area where there would be less cell phone towers, stayed

off the computer and phone, etc. ? I would recommend trying to avoid EMFs

for as long as possible and saturating your body with organic foods/juices

so that you rebuild your mineral/vitamin reserves. Can you do this for 6

months...or even 2 or 3 months, to see if it has an effect?

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>

> I'd advise everyone on this list to check out the crowns and metals

> issue as my ES started almost one month to the day that I had my last

> new crown put in.

Timing of immune system weakness about the same, one month after having

a bridge put in! My health is so much better now though and I promised

myself once my health returned I'd deal with the metal in my

crowns/bridge. I purposely avoided a root canal by choosing to have my

teeth pulled and getting a bridge then my health went south! Thanks for

your input. Sandi

[Guest guest]

If you've got one of the bad adenoviruses then I doubt

diet will have much effect at all, certainly not allow one

to lose weight. Exercise maybe, but that might be risky too

(any thoughts on whether exercise is good for ES people??).

And I would expect antibiotics and growth hormones in

most store bought animal fat could make matters worse.

Bill

On 9/6/07, skrzn < Schnell@...> wrote:

>

> Those who can gain weight on High saturated fat, moderate meat, low

> to zero carbohydrate cannot be mammals.

> www.paleodiet.com

> It is hard to do, and hard to find pure food.

> The problem is that carbs are addictive, and people fool themselves.

>

>

>

>

> I just threw the

> saturated fat idea out there incase some here have tried it all and

> the all doesn't work for them either. The thing, too, was that I

> LOST weight instead of gaining on the saturated fat. I am thinking

> that if you gain on saturated fat, this is probably not doing a thing

> for you re toxin removal.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Exercise maybe, but that might be risky too

> (any thoughts on whether exercise is good for ES people??).

It seems from most people's comments here, exercise

is good for ES people. Most likely the effect it

has on lymphatic congestion.

Of course, one should make sure not to overdo any

exercise...

Marc

[Guest guest]

Exercise is essential for ES people! The lymphatic system runs by muscle

movement. Without exercise your lymphatic system would overload with toxic

crap! If you are very ill, you need to lie with your feet propped up against

the wall or over the back of a sofa so the lymph will move; otherwise you will

probably get sicker (since whatever it is that is making you ill is not moving

anywhere while you are busy lying in bed).

Just my 2 cents,

Diane

Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:

If you've got one of the bad adenoviruses then I doubt

diet will have much effect at all, certainly not allow one

to lose weight. Exercise maybe, but that might be risky too

(any thoughts on whether exercise is good for ES people??).

And I would expect antibiotics and growth hormones in

most store bought animal fat could make matters worse.

Bill

On 9/6/07, skrzn < Schnell@...> wrote:

>

> Those who can gain weight on High saturated fat, moderate meat, low

> to zero carbohydrate cannot be mammals.

> www.paleodiet.com

> It is hard to do, and hard to find pure food.

> The problem is that carbs are addictive, and people fool themselves.

>

>

>

>

> I just threw the

> saturated fat idea out there incase some here have tried it all and

> the all doesn't work for them either. The thing, too, was that I

> LOST weight instead of gaining on the saturated fat. I am thinking

> that if you gain on saturated fat, this is probably not doing a thing

> for you re toxin removal.

>

>

>