Re: I am about ready to give up.

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In a message dated 9/3/2007 8:28:55 AM GMT Daylight Time,

charles@... writes:

pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were

> good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,

> because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this disorder.

>

> Someone please get back to me,

>

>

>

, have you gone down the CBT ROUTE ? also all other pathologies are

ruled out right ?!! have you tried a good Calcium supplement in case you are

borderline hypocalceimic ?

That said I know where you are at with this, we might end up blaming some of

our ansestors for ES, check out your famiy tree, and geneology. How can you

turn this into something positive ? Try writing a journal, get involved in

media etc.. I am not being corny, but at this stage you need to nurture your

spirit, have you tried Meditation etc.. Keep talking - You could contact Rod

at ES UK for some support also

UK

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> I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I have

> gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my

> wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried has

> stopped my EMF Sensitivity.

Yes, if I think back on all of the things that I tried to overcome

my various health problems, the list was absurdly long. And only

a few of these things were really helpful. I'll repeat them here,

in case you are looking for something new to try:

- EMF protection devices: Quantum Products items (Companion, power

conditioner, Quantum Byte software, Quantum Home), Springlife

Polarizers

- Antioxidants: Cellfood, Mega-H, Amrit

- Essential fats: evening primrose oil, borage oil

(good for nerve repair), avocados

- Heavy metal chelators: NDF

- Immune modulators: Echinacea Premium by Medi-Herb

- Antifungals/Antibiotics: Agrisept (citrus seed extract)

> My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only time I

> get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or go

> outside and get some fresh air.

Yes, those things made me feel a little better as well, but as you've

noticed, they're not helpful enough.

> Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu Kola, bee

> pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were

> good in healing injured nerves.

I never noticed any improvement with B-12 or Bee Pollen. And I don't

think I ever tried Gotu Kola.

Marc

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Hello ,

first of all, you should stay in an elektrosmog free surrounding.

Secondly, your immune system is severely damaged.

One way to repair that, is getting rid of poisonous materials like heavy

metals by using an ionic foot spa.

You bath your feet every other day, and this for at least two weeks.

After that, you will feel much better.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

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I am about ready to give up.

>I am about ready to end my life over this damn problem. I have been

> in pain for 4 years since my initial exposure. I have tried damn near

> everything.

>

> I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I have

> gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my

> wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried has

> stopped my EMF Sensitivity.

>

> It is almost as if my body just wants to be in pain. I have the same

> pain in the back of my gums that I had in the beginning. I have had

> come and go bouts of facial tingling, burning, and etc. However,

> those symptoms come and go. However, the pain in my nerves where my

> wisdom teeth would be located in my upper jaw NEVER STOPS. How in the

> hell can my body get caught in such a damn infinite loop like this?

> It hasn't stoppped since I was overexposed damn near 4 year ago.

>

> Before October of 2003, I couldn't even FEEL EMF's. Now, I can't even

> imagine what it was like to feel that way anymomre. Never in my life

> did I ever think that I would encounter a problem so damn hard to

> solve. I mean, I can't even get relief. I don't understand why my

> body doesn't RESPOND to anything like other people's on here did.

>

> My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only time I

> get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or go

> outside and get some fresh air. I build up some sort of tolerance.

> However, once my body senses EMF's in the environment again, it goes

> right back to the same painful state that it was in before.

>

> I have tried EMF protection devices, and none of them made a

> difference. I just don't know what to do.

>

> I am not sure what vitamins to take to heal my injured nervous system.

>

> Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu Kola, bee

> pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were

> good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,

> because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this disorder.

>

> Someone please get back to me,

>

>

>

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Hey , thanks for the advice. I just purchased an ION foot spa.

If you want to see what it looks like, just put this in search engine.

I want to make sure that I purchased the correct one:

Ionic Energizer Dual Array Body Cleanse Detox Foot Spa

My EMF Sensitivity is weird. I can do a whole lot of things, but cutting on

lights, and getting in front of computer screens actually hurts. I get some

sort of rejuvination through sleeping. However, I just can't seem to sleep long

enough. After getting a good night's sleep, I can get in front of a computer

screen for about 30 mins before, I start feeling the pain kick in. If I go to

sleep at 10:00, I will wake back up at 3 in the morning. Showers also help give

me relief. I don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES; as mine does

improve. I think you may be right. Maybe this ION foot spa WILL help me. I

didn't even know something like this existed. I have tried detoxing other

ways,but it never seems to work.

There has absolutely got to be a way I can overcome this problem; as I wasn't

always like this. I was overexposed one time, and my body has practically

stayed in a state of hypervigiliance. However, it was a pretty bad exposure. I

was never exposed to that much EMF in my entire life. It didn't seem to affect

anyone in the apartment but me though.

I have always been a sickly person; that is probably why it effected me the

most. In fact, that is why everything affects me the most. I think that I might

just need a really good detoxing. I just haven't figured out how to do it

effectively.

One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water will change colors

with this ION foot spa?

Please get back to me, and thanks for the advice from you and everyone else.

charles <charles@...> wrote:

Hello ,

first of all, you should stay in an elektrosmog free surrounding.

Secondly, your immune system is severely damaged.

One way to repair that, is getting rid of poisonous materials like heavy

metals by using an ionic foot spa.

You bath your feet every other day, and this for at least two weeks.

After that, you will feel much better.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Bitdefender

I am about ready to give up.

>I am about ready to end my life over this damn problem. I have been

> in pain for 4 years since my initial exposure. I have tried damn near

> everything.

>

> I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I have

> gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my

> wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried has

> stopped my EMF Sensitivity.

>

> It is almost as if my body just wants to be in pain. I have the same

> pain in the back of my gums that I had in the beginning. I have had

> come and go bouts of facial tingling, burning, and etc. However,

> those symptoms come and go. However, the pain in my nerves where my

> wisdom teeth would be located in my upper jaw NEVER STOPS. How in the

> hell can my body get caught in such a damn infinite loop like this?

> It hasn't stoppped since I was overexposed damn near 4 year ago.

>

> Before October of 2003, I couldn't even FEEL EMF's. Now, I can't even

> imagine what it was like to feel that way anymomre. Never in my life

> did I ever think that I would encounter a problem so damn hard to

> solve. I mean, I can't even get relief. I don't understand why my

> body doesn't RESPOND to anything like other people's on here did.

>

> My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only time I

> get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or go

> outside and get some fresh air. I build up some sort of tolerance.

> However, once my body senses EMF's in the environment again, it goes

> right back to the same painful state that it was in before.

>

> I have tried EMF protection devices, and none of them made a

> difference. I just don't know what to do.

>

> I am not sure what vitamins to take to heal my injured nervous system.

>

> Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu Kola, bee

> pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were

> good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,

> because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this disorder.

>

> Someone please get back to me,

>

>

>

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Hello ,

so you got an Ion foot spa.

Be carefull, and compensate with a good multivitamin, because you will loose

some good stuff also.

The ion foot spa, should make positive as well as negative ions. mostly 70 %

to 30 %.

Use 30 minutes each time.

Of course, normal tap water will give also these colorations.

Pleas have a look at *het bitje* Januari 2006 (only durch and german issues)

on page 10 see the colorations, and

on page 11 a chart from tapwater in Missouri, at left original, and at right

after 9 bathings.

So you can see, what is in the water before, and comes from the feet later

on.

Of course I have tested this.

I tested the equipment in normal tapwater, and got all colorations.

I tested with distilled water, and after 30 minutes, the water colored

slightly yellow.

The reason is, that for electrical conductivity, one has to add a little bit

of salt.

(We have dilluted salt in distilled water and put this in a spray).

The computer says directly when enough salt is added to the water.

Tip: after using and cleaning the element, place it in a jar with water, in

which a table spoon of vitamin C (or ascorbine acid) is added.

That way they last longer.

Greetings,

Claessens

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www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

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I am about ready to give up.

>

>>I am about ready to end my life over this damn problem. I have been

>> in pain for 4 years since my initial exposure. I have tried damn near

>> everything.

>>

>> I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I have

>> gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my

>> wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried has

>> stopped my EMF Sensitivity.

>>

>> It is almost as if my body just wants to be in pain. I have the same

>> pain in the back of my gums that I had in the beginning. I have had

>> come and go bouts of facial tingling, burning, and etc. However,

>> those symptoms come and go. However, the pain in my nerves where my

>> wisdom teeth would be located in my upper jaw NEVER STOPS. How in the

>> hell can my body get caught in such a damn infinite loop like this?

>> It hasn't stoppped since I was overexposed damn near 4 year ago.

>>

>> Before October of 2003, I couldn't even FEEL EMF's. Now, I can't even

>> imagine what it was like to feel that way anymomre. Never in my life

>> did I ever think that I would encounter a problem so damn hard to

>> solve. I mean, I can't even get relief. I don't understand why my

>> body doesn't RESPOND to anything like other people's on here did.

>>

>> My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only time I

>> get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or go

>> outside and get some fresh air. I build up some sort of tolerance.

>> However, once my body senses EMF's in the environment again, it goes

>> right back to the same painful state that it was in before.

>>

>> I have tried EMF protection devices, and none of them made a

>> difference. I just don't know what to do.

>>

>> I am not sure what vitamins to take to heal my injured nervous system.

>>

>> Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu Kola, bee

>> pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were

>> good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,

>> because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this disorder.

>>

>> Someone please get back to me,

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> I don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;

I don't think there is such a thing a " permanent case of ES " . Certainly

someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things

to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that

people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that

will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try

all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.

> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as " Natural Cellular

Defense " or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who

have " tried everything " (or so they say), and that this was

the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this

supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very

small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at

first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly

to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have

a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with

a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be

able to later ramp up to something higher.

> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.

Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning

liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and

urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning

saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine

should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning

livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see

very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and

very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then

you could use something to help support your ability

to drain acids, like " Liver Life " from BioRay, or

some people take " Milk Thistle " . Also drinking

a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water

can help your body drain acids.

> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water

> will change colors with this ION foot spa?

I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple

times. I didn't notice any change in my health with

only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky

brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy

about how much of this stuff actually came from inside

of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even

if you don't put your feet in the water.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

also, please have a look at:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina8.html

at the book *Flow System Therapy* by Han Stiekema M.D.

There is also a link where you can download all chapters from this book for

free.

It is very recommendable.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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[Guest guest]

I am of the mind to never say never to recovery (so I don't want to believe ES

is ever permanent), but Carolyn Gorman of the EHCD, Dr. Rae's clinic in Dallas,

told me in a phone consult that you want to detox as soon, effectively, and

completely as possible, as the longer your immune and lymphatic systems are

overloaded, the more permanent ES becomes.

Just to share what was told me by someone who actually trys to treat ES

professionally. I have no info one way or the other to refute or support her

claim,

Diane

Marc <marc@...> wrote:

> I don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;

I don't think there is such a thing a " permanent case of ES " . Certainly

someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things

to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that

people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that

will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try

all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.

> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as " Natural Cellular

Defense " or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who

have " tried everything " (or so they say), and that this was

the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this

supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very

small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at

first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly

to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have

a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with

a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be

able to later ramp up to something higher.

> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.

Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning

liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and

urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning

saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine

should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning

livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see

very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and

very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then

you could use something to help support your ability

to drain acids, like " Liver Life " from BioRay, or

some people take " Milk Thistle " . Also drinking

a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water

can help your body drain acids.

> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water

> will change colors with this ION foot spa?

I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple

times. I didn't notice any change in my health with

only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky

brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy

about how much of this stuff actually came from inside

of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even

if you don't put your feet in the water.

Marc

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Hey Marc, thanks for getting back to me. I haven't tried NCD yet; however, I

have tried something called EDTA; which didn't do a thing. I even took it

through the rectum, and it burned, so I couldn't continue. Truth be told, I

think that my whole system is totally overloaded. Why, I don't know. The only

thing that I do know is that I have had terrible allergies all of my life; and

my immune system seems to respond absolutely EVERYTHING in a negative manner--it

has been this way since I was a kid--and differently than my family members and

other people that I know. I can't figure out why my system is so damn

SENSITIVE. It picks up on things that others don't at all. It hasn't be a

benefit to me at all.

For the past 10 years, I have had an acne problem that is strange. I get

nothing but white plugs in my skin; mostly on my face and my chest, back,

shoulders and stomach. The acne isn't normal, and it has left me with circular

scars on my chest. I have to squeeze the plugs out of my skin because they

won't come out otherwise. They are always hard white plugs. I notice that out

of everybody in my family, I am the only one getting this weird stuff.

Something is terribly wrong with my immune system. It doesn't react like a

normal person's should. However, every time I have went to the doctor they

always say that I am the picture of health. I don't agree at all. I have

gotten my gallbladder checked--they said that it had a 97% squeeze rate--my

colon check--they found no polops, and everything looked perfect--my cranial

nerves checked. Everything.

I have tried various methods to detoxify. I have tried Cilantro drops with

chlorella pills, colon cleanses, Lecithin, all types of stuff. It just seems

like my body doesn't respond to anything at all.

I looked up NCD on the web, not really too bad; however, it is a little costly

if you want three of them to a box. I am thinking about trying it; however, I

am little skeptical because I wonder what would make it any different from all

the other things that I have tried. Can you explain to me how it may be

different than EDTA? They said that EDTA was used to cleanse heavy metals.

However, it didn't do a thing for me at all.

I just want to know what I am getting into before I purchase it.

Please get back me.

Marc <marc@...> wrote: > I don't

really know if I have a permanent case of ES;

I don't think there is such a thing a " permanent case of ES " . Certainly

someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things

to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that

people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that

will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try

all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.

> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as " Natural Cellular

Defense " or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who

have " tried everything " (or so they say), and that this was

the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this

supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very

small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at

first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly

to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have

a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with

a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be

able to later ramp up to something higher.

> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.

Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning

liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and

urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning

saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine

should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning

livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see

very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and

very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then

you could use something to help support your ability

to drain acids, like " Liver Life " from BioRay, or

some people take " Milk Thistle " . Also drinking

a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water

can help your body drain acids.

> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water

> will change colors with this ION foot spa?

I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple

times. I didn't notice any change in my health with

only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky

brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy

about how much of this stuff actually came from inside

of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even

if you don't put your feet in the water.

Marc

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I can believe what she is saying, because I have had ES for the last 4 years. I

really hope that I don't have a permanent situation on my hands. However, what

I do know, is that certain symptoms come and go.

I only get certain symptoms if I am way overexposed. However, after a good

nights sleep, those symptoms go away. So I don't really think mine is permanent

yet. If I am overexposed, I get the burning sensation across the face, tingling,

eye-twitching etc. I think I may have some nerve damage. Those are the

symptoms that go away if I get a good nights sleep. I think my body is trying

to heal but I can't find a decent place to be at with no EMF. I don't think my

problem has gotten too much worse because I got rid of the thing that triggered

it a month after it first happened; and that was four years ago. If I would

have kept that 29 inch CRT, I would probably be dead now.

The only constant symptoms that I get are pain in the nerves in my gums. They

start to lessen if I am outside for a while, or if I take a shower, or go to

sleep. For some reason, I also feel alot better when I exercise too. It is

when I don't do anything that it becomes a problem. I can be in a room full of

computers; however, if I am doing heavy exercise it is almost as if I don't feel

anything for a while.

I am trying to find a way to detoxify in spite of me living in an environment

bathed with EMF's. I live in an apartment building; on the second floor, and I

have EMF all around me. However, I am moving to an apartment on the bottom THIS

month, that will be in much better condition. That may help.

My problem is a weird one. If I am in a new environment, my body won't react

for a while; until it gets used to the environment; then all of the symptoms

come back. I can be in an environment FULL of computers, and it still won't

react for a while. I can be in a computer lab, in front of a monitor, and my

body won't reacy for like 15 mins. Then it starts. However, it is never as

worse as it is when I am at home.

My body seems to know full well what the hell it is doing. That is what is so

weird about my case. From what I read on here, I have read accounts from

people who had cases much worse than mine make a full recovery; however, mine is

a mid-case that hasn't shown much improvement at all. When it first happened, I

experienced eye-irritation; however, that stopped a long time ago, and never

returned.

It is also weird because my EMF is not totally debilitating. I can do alot in

spite of the EMF. Cell phones don't bother me. However, computer monitors DO

bother me; and TVs are really painful to deal with. The worst of all of them

are ceiling lights.

They are absolute HELL to deal with; and I am a college student trying to study

Calculus III with EMF Sensitivity. I am desperately trying to find freedom from

this hellish disorder.

I just hope that the solution is out there; because I can't take my life being

curtailed by something such as this. That would be a total waste.

Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: I am of the mind

to never say never to recovery (so I don't want to believe ES is ever

permanent), but Carolyn Gorman of the EHCD, Dr. Rae's clinic in Dallas, told me

in a phone consult that you want to detox as soon, effectively, and completely

as possible, as the longer your immune and lymphatic systems are overloaded, the

more permanent ES becomes.

Just to share what was told me by someone who actually trys to treat ES

professionally. I have no info one way or the other to refute or support her

claim,

Diane

Marc <marc@...> wrote:

> I don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;

I don't think there is such a thing a " permanent case of ES " . Certainly

someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things

to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that

people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that

will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try

all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.

> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as " Natural Cellular

Defense " or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who

have " tried everything " (or so they say), and that this was

the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this

supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very

small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at

first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly

to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have

a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with

a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be

able to later ramp up to something higher.

> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.

Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning

liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and

urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning

saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine

should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning

livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see

very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and

very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then

you could use something to help support your ability

to drain acids, like " Liver Life " from BioRay, or

some people take " Milk Thistle " . Also drinking

a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water

can help your body drain acids.

> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water

> will change colors with this ION foot spa?

I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple

times. I didn't notice any change in my health with

only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky

brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy

about how much of this stuff actually came from inside

of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even

if you don't put your feet in the water.

Marc

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> The only thing that I do know is that I have had terrible allergies all

> of my life;

Yes, I've had terrible allergies since I was a kid as well. And what

I found after experimenting with hundreds of supplements over the

past 7 years is that none of the things sold for allergies really

helped at all. Instead, I've found that CELLFOOD by

Lumina Health has been the most helpful thing for my pollen

and pet allergies, and also for my chemical sensitivities. However,

I have not noticed any immediate improvement for ES symptoms, and

in fact if I take too much CELLFOOD, my ES will get a bit worse.

However, from an overall " health improvement " perspective, I

think that CELLFOOD has been the most helpful supplement of

the hundreds I've tried. (I have no connection with this

company, and I'll even note that a competing product called

CELL RENEW is just as good).

> However, every time I have went to the doctor they always say that

> I am the picture of health. I don't agree at all.

Heh, heh... yes, the last time I went to see a medical doctor (6 years

ago!), they also claimed that there was nothing that they could

find wrong with me, even though I felt like I was about to

drop dead right there in the office! (I had much better luck

going to alternative health practitioners, who could see that

there was something very obviously wrong with me).

> I have tried various methods to detoxify. I have tried Cilantro drops

> with chlorella pills, colon cleanses, Lecithin, all types of stuff.

> It just seems like my body doesn't respond to anything at all.

Yes, that does make you a good candidate for NCD. I on the other

hand am hypersensitive to almost all forms of detoxification, so

I've mostly stuck with milder means of detox -- NDF is about

all I can handle in significant amounts, and even with that

I have to take CELLFOOD and MEGA-H to counter the detox

side effects.

> I looked up NCD on the web, not really too bad; however, it is

> a little costly if you want three of them to a box.

Yes it is. They do sell it one-at-a-time in a glass bottle

however, but that's still $125. Pretty pricy just to just see

if it works. Maybe you can find someone selling a single

plastic bottle for $50 or so?

I am thinking about trying it; however, I am little skeptical because

I wonder what would make it any different from all the other things that

I have tried. Can you explain to me how it may be different than EDTA?

Well, from my perspective, all of these chelators are vastly different

from each other, because I have vastly different reactions to all

of them. EDTA just made me feel weird, and not in a good way.

I think the main difference between the various chelators is

that they all attract certain toxic substances, and the

type of substances one chelator is attracted to is different than

another. Also, they may have a tendency to target different

parts of the body.

But when you say that nothing before has ever worked for you,

my first thought is NCD, because that is often the comment I've

seen from NCD users -- that this is the first thing that they've

ever tried that's worked for them. But again, be cautious

about the dosage -- like I said, I find this stuff very

difficult to tolerate, and it literally takes me a month

to consume the amount of drops that I should be able to

consume in 2 days!

Marc

[Guest guest]

, every sympathy in your predicament. One other angle could be that

your liver may be failing to detoxify and remove various substances from

your body. There are a number of " detoxification pathways " and if one or

more of these are not functioning or the body chemicals have got depleted,

even if you take all the things that " detoxify " your system, the products

may not be able to get out of your body. My wife Sue has had MCS and ES,

tried lots of supplements over 2-3 years with little effect, then had

specialist tests done on the liver functions which showed 2 pathways not

functioning and 2 others (glutathione and sulphate) totally depleted from

struggling to cope with the extra load. In her case she has needed

intravenous infusions and these have improved her health a lot. But without

knowing the exact cause of one's problems it's very difficult to treat them

effectively. Since your problems date from childhood, it may be that one or

other of the pathways has always been out of action.

Best wishes, Ian

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Bolden

Sent: 03 September 2007 20:23

Subject: Re: I am about ready to give up.

Hey Marc, thanks for getting back to me. I haven't tried NCD yet; however, I

have tried something called EDTA; which didn't do a thing. I even took it

through the rectum, and it burned, so I couldn't continue. Truth be told, I

think that my whole system is totally overloaded. Why, I don't know. The

only thing that I do know is that I have had terrible allergies all of my

life; and my immune system seems to respond absolutely EVERYTHING in a

negative manner--it has been this way since I was a kid--and differently

than my family members and other people that I know. I can't figure out why

my system is so damn SENSITIVE. It picks up on things that others don't at

all. It hasn't be a benefit to me at all.

For the past 10 years, I have had an acne problem that is strange. I get

nothing but white plugs in my skin; mostly on my face and my chest, back,

shoulders and stomach. The acne isn't normal, and it has left me with

circular scars on my chest. I have to squeeze the plugs out of my skin

because they won't come out otherwise. They are always hard white plugs. I

notice that out of everybody in my family, I am the only one getting this

weird stuff.

Something is terribly wrong with my immune system. It doesn't react like a

normal person's should. However, every time I have went to the doctor they

always say that I am the picture of health. I don't agree at all. I have

gotten my gallbladder checked--they said that it had a 97% squeeze rate--my

colon check--they found no polops, and everything looked perfect--my cranial

nerves checked. Everything.

I have tried various methods to detoxify. I have tried Cilantro drops with

chlorella pills, colon cleanses, Lecithin, all types of stuff. It just seems

like my body doesn't respond to anything at all.

I looked up NCD on the web, not really too bad; however, it is a little

costly if you want three of them to a box. I am thinking about trying it;

however, I am little skeptical because I wonder what would make it any

different from all the other things that I have tried. Can you explain to me

how it may be different than EDTA? They said that EDTA was used to cleanse

heavy metals. However, it didn't do a thing for me at all.

I just want to know what I am getting into before I purchase it.

Please get back me.

Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com> wrote: > I

don't really know if I have a permanent case of ES;

I don't think there is such a thing a " permanent case of ES " . Certainly

someone may have it indefinitely because they never try the right things

to get better, but I think if you try all of the various things that

people here report as helpful, you're bound to find SOMETHING that

will work. The problem is that people either cannot afford to try

all of this stuff, or they lose patience and give up too soon.

> I have tried detoxing other ways,but it never seems to work.

Have you tried liquid zeolite? Also known as " Natural Cellular

Defense " or NCD? I've seen several reports from people who

have " tried everything " (or so they say), and that this was

the only thing that helped them detoxify. Me, I find this

supplement extremely difficult to tolerate, even at very

small doses. So if you do try this, be very cautious at

first, and start at one drop per day and ramp up slowly

to the recommended 10 - 30 drops per day. And if you have

a bad reaction, cut back from that dose and stay with

a dose that you can tolerate. Eventually you should be

able to later ramp up to something higher.

> I think that I might just need a really good detoxing.

Another problem you might have is a poorly functioning

liver. Have you tried taking your morning saliva and

urine pH using a pH stick? Ideally, your morning

saliva should be 6.7 - 7.0, and your morning urine

should be 5.8 - 6.0. People with poorly functioning

livers cannot drain acids properly, so you can see

very low morning saliva readings (5.0 - 6.0) and

very high urine readings (7.0 - 8.0). If so, then

you could use something to help support your ability

to drain acids, like " Liver Life " from BioRay, or

some people take " Milk Thistle " . Also drinking

a little fresh-squeezed organic lemon with water

can help your body drain acids.

> One more thing I want to ask, is it true that the water

> will change colors with this ION foot spa?

I tried one of the ionic footbaths, but only for a couple

times. I didn't notice any change in my health with

only a few sessions, but the water did change to a murky

brown with black specks in it. There is some controversy

about how much of this stuff actually came from inside

of you, as the water will discolor a certain amount even

if you don't put your feet in the water.

Marc

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[Guest guest]

I'm feeling the same way. Don't give up, but

at the same time we could have genetic damage,

in which case our condition is permanent. All

I see are f'n cell towers sprouting up everywhere.

I drive under, by power lines and chest pains

kick in. TVs everywhere. Forlorn hope, that's what

it's coming down to.

Eli

[Guest guest]

First, do you have some meters? I think at a minimum one must

have a *sensitive* microwave detector and a gauss meter, plus a portable

AM radio, and some way to detect electric fields. The 'electrosmog meter'

for $199 is pretty good. If that's already too expensive get the

'electrosmog detector " .

You need to know when you are getting exposed. Avoid the really big

exposures

and make sleep & evening exposure as low as possible.

Have you tried melatonin? I benefitted from 1mg up to 3mg (take in the

evening) if getting

less than 8 hours sleep. Calcium (w/ magnesium & zinc added) also make

sense

and other antioxidants (vitamin C, bee propolis, vit. E) plus essential

fatty acids.

I am beginning to think that acoustic music may be a good idea (drum,

whistle, sing,

even a victorola or music box) so you get stimuli that have no EMF

correlations.

Avoid toxic food and toxic air. Make sure the home is well ventilated and

not dusty

(since most modern dust has neurotoxins).

I still have problems but have improved a lot...

Bill

On 9/2/07, jbbolden24 <jbbolden24@...> wrote:

>

> I am about ready to end my life over this damn problem. I have been

> in pain for 4 years since my initial exposure. I have tried damn near

> everything.

>

> I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I have

> gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my

> wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried has

> stopped my EMF Sensitivity.

>

> It is almost as if my body just wants to be in pain. I have the same

> pain in the back of my gums that I had in the beginning. I have had

> come and go bouts of facial tingling, burning, and etc. However,

> those symptoms come and go. However, the pain in my nerves where my

> wisdom teeth would be located in my upper jaw NEVER STOPS. How in the

> hell can my body get caught in such a damn infinite loop like this?

> It hasn't stoppped since I was overexposed damn near 4 year ago.

>

> Before October of 2003, I couldn't even FEEL EMF's. Now, I can't even

> imagine what it was like to feel that way anymomre. Never in my life

> did I ever think that I would encounter a problem so damn hard to

> solve. I mean, I can't even get relief. I don't understand why my

> body doesn't RESPOND to anything like other people's on here did.

>

> My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only time I

> get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or go

> outside and get some fresh air. I build up some sort of tolerance.

> However, once my body senses EMF's in the environment again, it goes

> right back to the same painful state that it was in before.

>

> I have tried EMF protection devices, and none of them made a

> difference. I just don't know what to do.

>

> I am not sure what vitamins to take to heal my injured nervous system.

>

> Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu Kola, bee

> pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were

> good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,

> because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this disorder.

>

> Someone please get back to me,

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had something happen today that made me rethink this whole EMF thing. I

decided to blind test myself with a wireless router with my uncle. Before

the test, we were in his basement and I was holding the router in my hand

and plugging it in and noticing pain between my ears like I normally do and

then turning it off and the pain goes away. Then for the test I had my

uncle write series of 8 yes or no's - a yes would mean he would turn the

router on and a no would mean he would turn it off. Then 8 times I would

leave and come into the room and stand right next to this thing and not look

at it so I didn't know if it was on or off and then see I would write down

on my own paper if I felt the router on or off. I was sure I would score

100%. During the test I was pretty sure on some and then very sure on a

couple. However, when I compared the results I was wrong about half the

time, including the times when I was very sure this thing was on or very

sure it was off - as in no symptoms, even though it was on. We did this

test again with the same inaccuracies by me. This lead me to conclude 1 of

2 things:

1.) These energy fields really don't have a biological effect and it is

100% psychological.

2.) These energy fileds do have a biological effect, but my mind or

subconscious plays a gigantic role on how they actually affect me.

There's a ton of studies that say there is a definite biological effect by

these energy fields on cellular function, so #1 can't be the case, so right

now I am thinking it is #2. I don't yet know what or how I will continue

with dealing with this issue because I too have had my life ruined by it,

but it makes me start looking at this thing differently and believing alot

more in the power of my mind or life force or whatever else is reacting so

horribly to this stuff. I have a hypno therapist I'm going to start seeing

in earnest again I think at this point. Try some similar test yourself and

see what happens, it may surprise you as it did me.

On 9/2/07, jbbolden24 <jbbolden24@...> wrote:

>

> I am about ready to end my life over this damn problem. I have been

> in pain for 4 years since my initial exposure. I have tried damn near

> everything.

>

> I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I have

> gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my

> wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried has

> stopped my EMF Sensitivity.

>

> It is almost as if my body just wants to be in pain. I have the same

> pain in the back of my gums that I had in the beginning. I have had

> come and go bouts of facial tingling, burning, and etc. However,

> those symptoms come and go. However, the pain in my nerves where my

> wisdom teeth would be located in my upper jaw NEVER STOPS. How in the

> hell can my body get caught in such a damn infinite loop like this?

> It hasn't stoppped since I was overexposed damn near 4 year ago.

>

> Before October of 2003, I couldn't even FEEL EMF's. Now, I can't even

> imagine what it was like to feel that way anymomre. Never in my life

> did I ever think that I would encounter a problem so damn hard to

> solve. I mean, I can't even get relief. I don't understand why my

> body doesn't RESPOND to anything like other people's on here did.

>

> My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only time I

> get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or go

> outside and get some fresh air. I build up some sort of tolerance.

> However, once my body senses EMF's in the environment again, it goes

> right back to the same painful state that it was in before.

>

> I have tried EMF protection devices, and none of them made a

> difference. I just don't know what to do.

>

> I am not sure what vitamins to take to heal my injured nervous system.

>

> Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu Kola, bee

> pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were

> good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,

> because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this disorder.

>

> Someone please get back to me,

>

>

>

>

>

--

Coffman

[Guest guest]

> Try some similar test yourself and

> see what happens, it may surprise you as it did me.

Hmmm, interesting... I know that in my own case, I

pretty much depend on using EMF protection devices to

use the computer for lengthy stretches of time. Using

the devices, I get no symptoms. Without the devices,

I get symptoms within 30 minutes.

Over the years, there have many occasions where I sit

down in front of a computer and assume that my EMF

devices are in my pocket or near the monitor,

although I haven't really checked. Then, about 30

minutes later, I start getting symptoms, which cause

me to check, and sure enough, the devices aren't

there.

This would indicate to me that:

1) the computer is indeed causing me problems

2) the EMF protection devices really are doing

something besides just being a placebo

Marc

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/2007 5:47:39 AM GMT Daylight Time, pkcoff@...

writes:

had something happen today that made me rethink this whole EMF thing. I

decided to blind test myself with a wireless router with my uncle. Before

the test, we were in his basement and I was holding the router in my hand

and plugging it in and noticing pain between my ears like I normally do and

then turning it off and the pain goes away. Then for the test I had my

uncle write series of 8 yes or no's - a yes would mean he would turn the

Its complex how your body reacts to EMF as you know, I am sure that the

various stress hormones act like fuel to the other chemical effects, so a sense

of calm when facing your agitant is benficial, I use my mind evry time I go

into a shopping mall, or a train etc, I do not imediately walk or run away from

persons using mobiles or when I see a mast etc I merely get on with the

tasks in hand as best I can, nuasea or not. Perhaps you should try the

test

you devised using other devices such as Dect, mobiles, masts, flourescent

lights, computer screens and or all at the same time after all that sounds like

a typical everyday environment. I find that my sensitivity varies, in your

case could it have been that you are in a state of improved health so it

would take longer than a few moments to truly suffer symptoms, the trick is

stying like that in the latter all to common evironments. That said there is

no

harm in trying periodically to pick apart and try to undo the harm that ES

delivers, rather like defragmenting and cleaning up the computers hard drive,

we

all need this from time to time.

UK

[Guest guest]

Your conscious mind didn't know if the devices were in your pockets, but

your subconscious mind probably did, since you would have had to have made

some effort or event to put the devices in your pocket at some time, and the

subconscious remembers most everything..

On 9/4/07, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

>

> > Try some similar test yourself and

> > see what happens, it may surprise you as it did me.

>

> Hmmm, interesting... I know that in my own case, I

> pretty much depend on using EMF protection devices to

> use the computer for lengthy stretches of time. Using

> the devices, I get no symptoms. Without the devices,

> I get symptoms within 30 minutes.

>

> Over the years, there have many occasions where I sit

> down in front of a computer and assume that my EMF

> devices are in my pocket or near the monitor,

> although I haven't really checked. Then, about 30

> minutes later, I start getting symptoms, which cause

> me to check, and sure enough, the devices aren't

> there.

>

> This would indicate to me that:

>

> 1) the computer is indeed causing me problems

> 2) the EMF protection devices really are doing

> something besides just being a placebo

>

> Marc

>

>

--

Coffman

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/3/2007 8:43:23 PM GMT Daylight Time,

jbbolden24@... writes:

.. For some reason, I also feel alot better when I exercise too. It is when I

don't do anything that it becomes a problem. I can be in a room full of

computers; however, if I am doing heavy exercise it is almost as if I don't

feel

anything for a while.

My problem is a weird one. If I am in a new environment, my body won't react

for a while; until it gets used to the environment; then all of the symptoms

come back. I can be in an environment FULL of computers, and it still won't

react for a while. I can be in a computer lab, in front of a monitor, and my

body won't reacy for like 15 mins. Then it starts. However, it is never as

worse as it is when I am at home.

My body seems to know full well what the hell it is doing. That is what is

so weird about my case. From what I read on here, I have read accounts from

pAUL uk replies

,Perhaps there is a gene that gets switched on which sets the whole process

of sensitivity in motion due to an emf trauma/chemical event further

reinforced by phychological stress event at the same time.or viceverser..?

Perhaps

the gene was once of some pertinant use a throwback of the earliest vertabral

ansestors. If this were the case then it is not so easy to switch this ghost

gene off ! It may also be that this is indeed then a sense in its own right,

we may not have a sensory organ (or one that cannot be found as no one knows

what to look for - but our skin and nervous system is a big enough sensory

organ.and so can be somewhat manipulated consciensly/sub consciensly by the

individual for better of for worse..and sometimes when one is in a state of

heightened sensitivity the radar is in full sweep mode.

I have noticed that if I am moving around I am not so quick to notice my

sypmtoms, perhaps the high end sensing is not engaged, but no mistake that

somatic effects are still taking place, time/exposure dependant etc also could

be

due to emfs focusing on certain body parts such as the head when stationary,

more diluted if moving around.

there is also the issue of adrenaline and such like so when in new

environments this may sheild or supress symptoms periodically hence the time

lag,

when in your home this is set to your base line, you are tottally familiar with

it, sounds,smells,sights and emfs and you may have more time to be critical

of the environment as there are not so many distracting elements, so your

sensing radar is in critical sweep mode all the time in your home, its your

territory and no one must pollute it and so on, quite primeevil !

I suppose that when one is at a computer you are more aware of EMF becuase

its a scource of emf/rf quite literally in your face, you are also accessing

parts of the brain that are likely to become impaired by the EMF, such as

working memory so is a double whammy. In an office or lab, you are getting such

an onslaught that the chemical cascade that results in symptoms will be more

componded for a while longer hence the time lag.

I go to my local car boot sale once in a while the joy of the event

overrides the fact that there is a powerful mast in the carpark, it ussually

takes

about 20mins before I realise that my thoughts and indeed speech slows down

and I realise I have been kind-of sleepwalking, then my whole day is like a bad

dream. As far as the exersise example is concerned as above dont forget

that the mood enhancing endorphins will be present plus the centres of the

brain

that you are using are not so intrested in clarity of detailed thought, but

there is no doubt in my mind that your body is lkely to be working that much

harder during the exersising if you are in a high Emf environment such as a

typical gym.

I am now squiffed it took 10mins and I have endured it for a further 15

writing this, hope it makes some sense as I am not going to check it. Yes many

of us can apparently function with ES, but this invisible disease makes 9to5

work non sustainable self limiting everyday lfe becomes somewhat impaired, if

all the offending technologies were suddendly switched off, I wonder how long

it would take for Essers to regain themselves.

uk

[Guest guest]

>

>

> In a message dated 9/3/2007 8:43:23 PM GMT Daylight Time,

> jbbolden24@... writes:

>

> . For some reason, I also feel alot better when I exercise too. It

is when I

> don't do anything that it becomes a problem. I can be in a room

full of

> computers; however, if I am doing heavy exercise it is almost as

if I don't feel

> anything for a while.

Maybe this is something to do with the blood being damaged, because I

remember seeing on one of the sites selling ionic foot spas, before

and after pictures of how the redblood cells change pattern and this

foot spa makes them go back to how they should be. And

electromagnetic fields are known to damage the blood cells in this

way. So maybe the exercise compensates for the fact that your

circulation gets worse when using computers, etc. And maybe that's

also why people with ES often get worse if they eat sugary foods, or

other things which can clog the system up.

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Several years ago I was close to dying from ES problems. I'm sure

glad I didn't give up, because I'm so much better now that my life is really

worth living!

Please read my personal story as outlined in my article " Electrical

Pollution: What is it doing to you and yours? " at my website,

www.LifeEnergies.com. That is the short version. If you want to know more

about the things

I/we did that helped me recover, I'll be glad to share more details. In

short, you must THOROUGHLY map your EMF/EMR environment and then remediate.

(Most people do not do this, and thus they often continue to be exposed.)

Besides the things we did to clean up my electrical environment, I made

dietary changes, had a rood canal tooth removed and was treated by a classical

homeopath. Every one of steps these was crucial to my recovery.

Even before we discovered that my symptoms had been brought on by dirty

electricity (which I had never heard of), my worst symptoms ceased the very

day that my homeopathic physician gave me one tiny dose of the right remedy.

(You don't want to take more than that one dose. A second would antidote it.)

(When we've been super stressed, our internal energies get thrown off.

Homeopathy can make differences that appear to be miraculous. In my case,

severe cardiac symptoms ceased immediately.)

What are your present exposures?

Have you checked your electrical circuits for dirty electricity? Your

phone lines? Water pipes? Duct work? Do you have a meter that picks up

high-frequency electric fields? These can be in surprising places.

Have you checked your house for communications signals?

What do you eat? This is extremely important.

Have you been checked for jawbone cavitations?

Have you been exposed to toxic chemicals?

Do your symptoms go away when you are in a " clean " environment as

regards EMF/EMR? (How do you know when you are in a clean vs. dirty

environment?)

Anybody still ambulatory can recover from about anything. You need to

identify and then remove the various stresses on your system. It's like

balancing a teeter totter.

Regards,

Shivani Arjuna

www.LifeEnergies.com (Read " Health Effects of Manmade Electromagnetic

Frequencies " there, too. Especially the sections on electrical pollution

and electrical sensitivity.)

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[Guest guest]

Such experiments are flawed because not enough

time lapses between trials. How long did you wait

between each test? There's no way I'll concede

that electrosensitivity is mostly a psychological

phenomena.

Marc, can you please review what protection you

use for computers?

An analysis of my supposed low emission computer

and two Dells has been updated. Criticism, suggestions

are welcome.

I really want to get back to work (software engineer).

http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/computer.html

Eli

[Guest guest]

Thanks for trying this test and reporting your results.

I did a similar test with a cordless phone and was wrong

more than half the time. The phone was probably a bad

choice because I had never noticed symptoms using it

(it was not my phone and I had never used it before).

And I had some level of persisting symptoms.

I feel that it is very important that someone do a good test

and get it published. There have been a couple of positive

tests but most of the published ones are negative.

I think it is likely that we with ES develop some fear of these

devices, because we know they will harm us (and often they

do). This anxiety can trigger some kind of symptom.

In most cases there are multiple EMFs present at once,

and the combination may be important to what happens.

The ideal experiment involves a stimulus to which the subject

responds quickly, and stops responding to shortly after exposure

(like within a few minutes). In experiments on myself the symptoms

often continue to change for many minutes after exposure. Also,

the response should not be damaging and should be reproducible

day after day.

Please if you know of a stimulus that fits that bill for you, try doing

a blind test. Ideally, video tape the exeriment if it works. And let

us know!

Bill

On 9/3/07, Coffman <pkcoff@...> wrote:

>

> I had something happen today that made me rethink this whole EMF thing.

> I

> decided to blind test myself with a wireless router with my uncle. Before

> the test, we were in his basement and I was holding the router in my hand

> and plugging it in and noticing pain between my ears like I normally do

> and

> then turning it off and the pain goes away. Then for the test I had my

> uncle write series of 8 yes or no's - a yes would mean he would turn the

> router on and a no would mean he would turn it off. Then 8 times I would

> leave and come into the room and stand right next to this thing and not

> look

> at it so I didn't know if it was on or off and then see I would write down

> on my own paper if I felt the router on or off. I was sure I would score

> 100%. During the test I was pretty sure on some and then very sure on a

> couple. However, when I compared the results I was wrong about half the

> time, including the times when I was very sure this thing was on or very

> sure it was off - as in no symptoms, even though it was on. We did this

> test again with the same inaccuracies by me. This lead me to conclude 1 of

> 2 things:

>

> 1.) These energy fields really don't have a biological effect and it is

> 100% psychological.

> 2.) These energy fileds do have a biological effect, but my mind or

> subconscious plays a gigantic role on how they actually affect me.

>

> There's a ton of studies that say there is a definite biological effect by

> these energy fields on cellular function, so #1 can't be the case, so

> right

> now I am thinking it is #2. I don't yet know what or how I will continue

> with dealing with this issue because I too have had my life ruined by it,

> but it makes me start looking at this thing differently and believing alot

> more in the power of my mind or life force or whatever else is reacting so

> horribly to this stuff. I have a hypno therapist I'm going to start seeing

> in earnest again I think at this point. Try some similar test yourself and

> see what happens, it may surprise you as it did me.

>

> On 9/2/07, jbbolden24 <jbbolden24@... <jbbolden24%40>>

> wrote:

> >

> > I am about ready to end my life over this damn problem. I have been

> > in pain for 4 years since my initial exposure. I have tried damn near

> > everything.

> >

> > I have tried: NMT, BIOFEEDBACK, various vitamin supplements, I have

> > gotten two sinus surgeries, and just last Friday, I have gotten my

> > wisdom tooth pulled. Nothing, I mean nothing, that I have tried has

> > stopped my EMF Sensitivity.

> >

> > It is almost as if my body just wants to be in pain. I have the same

> > pain in the back of my gums that I had in the beginning. I have had

> > come and go bouts of facial tingling, burning, and etc. However,

> > those symptoms come and go. However, the pain in my nerves where my

> > wisdom teeth would be located in my upper jaw NEVER STOPS. How in the

> > hell can my body get caught in such a damn infinite loop like this?

> > It hasn't stoppped since I was overexposed damn near 4 year ago.

> >

> > Before October of 2003, I couldn't even FEEL EMF's. Now, I can't even

> > imagine what it was like to feel that way anymomre. Never in my life

> > did I ever think that I would encounter a problem so damn hard to

> > solve. I mean, I can't even get relief. I don't understand why my

> > body doesn't RESPOND to anything like other people's on here did.

> >

> > My immune system doesn't seem to respond to ANYTHING. The only time I

> > get any type of relief is if I take a shower, or go to sleep, or go

> > outside and get some fresh air. I build up some sort of tolerance.

> > However, once my body senses EMF's in the environment again, it goes

> > right back to the same painful state that it was in before.

> >

> > I have tried EMF protection devices, and none of them made a

> > difference. I just don't know what to do.

> >

> > I am not sure what vitamins to take to heal my injured nervous system.

> >

> > Just recently, I have just purchased some Vitamin B-12, Gotu Kola, bee

> > pollen, and etc. I have read somewhere that these supplements were

> > good in healing injured nerves. I really need help and advice,

> > because I am on the verge of taking my own life over this disorder.

> >

> > Someone please get back to me,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Coffman

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info on your website!

Have you tried ferrite cores on the cables? Especially

the power supply cable? Also, there do exist shielded cables.

I found a bau biologie place in canada that adverstises one.

I wonder if there are some frequencies that your RF meter is

missing? Could the computers generate dirty power and then

you feel that? Try running off a UPS (though they make huge

magnetic fields when plugged in)?

Keep us posted!

Bill

On 9/4/07, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...> wrote:

>

> Such experiments are flawed because not enough

> time lapses between trials. How long did you wait

> between each test? There's no way I'll concede

> that electrosensitivity is mostly a psychological

> phenomena.

>

> Marc, can you please review what protection you

> use for computers?

>

> An analysis of my supposed low emission computer

> and two Dells has been updated. Criticism, suggestions

> are welcome.

>

> I really want to get back to work (software engineer).

>

> http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/computer.html

>

> Eli

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What I notice for some electronic things, like cell phones, or the in

store communications with the employees ears plugged in, is that the

worse symptom is when it is switched on or off. On particularly, or a

call coming in.

That makes a power surge.

My daughter and I have done tests with the other down the hall in

another room, and known accurately just when the tv, extremely

offending stereo, which went back to the store, or phone, was turned

on or off. You couldn't hear it, only feel it.

I think it is harder to tell sometimes when it is already on, as

there is usually other ambient emf's around, so you can't always

identify the culprit easily.

~ Snoshoe

Then for the test I had my

> > uncle write series of 8 yes or no's - a yes would mean he would

turn the

> > router on and a no would mean he would turn it off. Then 8 times

I would

> > leave and come into the room and stand right next to this thing

and not

> > look

> > at it so I didn't know if it was on or off and then see I would

write down

> > on my own paper if I felt the router on or off. I was sure I

would score

> > 100%. During the test I was pretty sure on some and then very

sure on a

> > couple. However, when I compared the results I was wrong about

half the

> > time, including the times when I was very sure this thing was on

or very

> > sure it was off - as in no symptoms, even though it was on. We

did this

> > test again with the same inaccuracies by me.