Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

[Guest guest]

Hi ST

 

Thanks for this - that's weird - how can the people in Croatia use their cell

phones if they don't have the towers to give them the signal? But very good to

know that croatia could be an EMF free haven. I hate the thought of having to

move from my family but am going to have to do something.

 

Regards

 

Steph

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

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Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 8:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals

> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good

> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are

supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of

animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

No worries - when I first read the Carlo protocol I spent the rest of the

afternoon in tears at the impossibility of it all and then pulled myself

together and started to think about how I could even have a go at a little of

what he suggests. He talks about membrane sensitivity syndrome - as in our cell

membranes are damaged and let in toxins they shouldn't and then stay closed when

they should actually open to let those toxins out. So I am trying to see if I

can put together some DIY programme because in the absence of any docs to treat

us and since conventional medicine either thinks we are mad or just treats us

symptom by symptom and organ by organ, rather than by dealing with us

holistically, we have to treat ourselves. If I thought that a device would do it

for me I would leave it at that, but so far I haven't managed to find one which

handles it all. I'm currently uding a bioprotect card, which does something, but

doesn't seem to work for

everything I encounter. Did you say you were using the earthcalm pendant?? How

has that been working for you?

 

Best wishes

 

Steph

From: <reader41ymail (DOT) com>

Subject: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

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Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 7:38 AM

 

Hi everyone

I came across this by accident the other night. Carlo was speaking in

London to a group of ES people about what ES is, how to diagnose it, what causes

it and how it can be treated. Set out below is the treatment protocol he says he

is using and working on. It seems to me that if someone like him is this

specific, that if it is a cellular communications problem [in a nutshell how

described it] and you have to go through these stages, and in this order, to go

about fixing it then if we want to treat our ES then isn't this the way we

should go about it? I just wish he was a bit clearer on what some of the stages

involve. I later came across a paper by Goldsworthy, also on calcium ion

channels and his work echoed Dr Carlo's theory of the cellular communication

problem

THis is the protcol Dr Carlo described. I'd be interested to know what anyone

thinks about it and how we could put together a DIY version if possible for

those who can't afford to visit various practicioners for assistance with doing

it.

West wishes

Steph

Dr Carlo stressed the importance of the patient remaining in an EMR free

environment at all times during treatment, and that only the treatments listed

should be used, and the sequence adhered to. Other supplements would be

counterproductive, he explained, because the ion-channels needed to be kept

clear to allow cellular detoxing. Average time scales are given for each part of

the treatment, and regular checks and tests determine when a patient is ready to

move to the next stage.

1. Neurological re-balancing

(weeks 1 – 3)

The aim is to stabilise DHEA and cortisol (hormones produced by the adrenal

glands and considered to be markers of systemic stress). Treatments in this

phase include yoga, massage, meditation, and therapies such as Network Spinal

Analysis to calm and balance the central nervous system. During this phase the

patient stops taking all supplements.

2. Ion-channel opening (weeks 2 – 6)

A form of supplemental magnesium chelated with amino acids is given to energise

the mitochondria and encourage the ion-channels to re-open.

3. Mitochondrial enhancement (weeks 3 – 6)

Mitochondrial function needs to be enhanced at this stage or more toxins will

enter the cells through the newly opened ion-channels.

4. Interstitial cleansing (weeks 6 – 8)

Once the ion-channels are open and the mitochondria are healthy, then the toxins

in the interstitial space can be cleared.

5. Intracellular detoxification (weeks 8 – 12)

Now it is safe to allow the release of toxins from within the cells.

6 Cell membrane re-building (months 3 – 18)

Symptoms will have subsided by this point, but an extended period of repair is

necessary to re-build cell membranes, using supplements and nutrition, and

keeping the patient free from EMR.

[Guest guest]

Yes if they have to have all the WIFI and masts etc why can't they do like

Sweden does and give us areas which are largely EMF free and would give us a

refuge from it all without turning us into homeless people.

 

Regards

 

Steph

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 9:32 AM

 

In a message dated 17/08/2009 22:02:53 GMT Daylight Time, stcrorogers (DOT) com

writes:

This guy might be a little too technical for me so it would take me

some time to decipher interstitial, mitochondrial etc. I am kind of more

of a give me something to plug in to my wall kind of girl. OK, now I am

laughing at myself here :-) Have to go.

uk replies - I have met in the UK, he strikes me as a man that

has his heart in what he says his work on cellular effects seems pretty

feasible and reflects alot of research done by others accross the globe ie

pointing to cellular damage. Sadly as we are aware low EMF, and rare still no

EMF areas are as rare as hens teeth, but we should all campaign for the

right to have such freedoms, which are rapidly being taken from us. Slowly

gently catch the monkey !

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

I haven't lost a decade yet but it's coming close to 7 and a half years with me

and its too long - in that time I have sat passively accepting all the

conventional docs told me and have effectively left by the health system to rot

- they have no treatment to offer me and they aren't interested in any of the

research I bring to them and enough is enough. I studied hard for 6 years for my

career, and sacrificed a lot to qualify and it has all been for nothing - like

you every so often I mull over that very Marlon Brando line [LOL!!]  and have

had to accept that that was my past life and I now have to forge a new one doing

something very different. So I know exactly where you are coming from!

 

Best wishes

 

Steph

From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

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Received: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:07 AM

 

uk -

I know someone who is using the treatment program here in the uk, I will

kep you posted. I think there is mileage in dealing with the phychological

damage that accompanies ES, ie you feel,

cheated,persecuted, tormeted, patranised, misunderstood, pessimistic, angry, and

a whole lot more, certainly having

a break from your daily routine in a place that has low emf will help, but

you might find that all of the latter comes back with avengence when you

start to get burnt again trying to resume the normal daily life that you are

entitled to. and realise again how you are being cheated of you health amd

well being.

peace and love, peace and love peace and love..mmmmm its not working !

[Guest guest]

And add to that the fact that our government slags us off as being

" economically inactive " without being prepared to make any changes to the

environment which would allow us to work and live normally - My ES has got so

bad now that I am living like a prisoner in my parents home - I can't manage

grocery shopping - I can't live in my own home - I can't watch TV and can only

tolerate the PC for short bursts and once a week I go the library for half an

hour and I can go to the local park when it is dry - and that is literally it.

This is what my life has come to - hence the desperation to compile some sort of

treatment regimen which will give me back some type of functioning life.

 

We will just have to keep fighting.

 

Best wishes

 

Steph

From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 9:44 AM

 

In a message dated 17/08/2009 17:13:31 GMT Daylight Time, stcrorogers (DOT) com

writes:

Yes , there is an emotional component to this and to me it was always

a sense of time lost on my couch when I should have been getting my

business of the ground. I called the last ten years of my life " the lost decade "

and Marlon Brando echoes in my head " I could have been a contender. " The

most painful is when others call me " hypochondriac. T

Yes same here to the letter, I spent 10 years educating myself as a

Building Surveyor got a degree got good jobs, lost the lot as I have been

out of the game for nearly a year now. The classic for me is others who

taunt me about my wife working while I am not (although looking after 2 kids

and trying to make a few quid here and there is a full time job) yesterday

evening at a party one twat talked about his bad back, saying that he would

carry on until he dropped for the sake of his family, he was looking at me

at the time - If only we could give these people a taste of being ES for a

few days. Oh and the final insult I have on a few occassions played back

via a small set of speakers through my open window the sound picked up on an

AM radio from a plasma TV that swamps the area when its on, the sound is

like a fax on the AM radio, well 2 of the locals asked me what that awful

sound was they could barely stand it, I said imagine you were exposed to that

but only you can hear the sound, they still did not get it ! selfish

ba...rds !

[Guest guest]

 

Tell me about Sweden.

From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

groups (DOT) com

Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 9:32 AM

 

In a message dated 17/08/2009 22:02:53 GMT Daylight Time, stcrorogers (DOT) com

writes:

This guy might be a little too technical for me so it would take me

some time to decipher interstitial, mitochondrial etc. I am kind of more

of a give me something to plug in to my wall kind of girl. OK, now I am

laughing at myself here :-) Have to go.

uk replies - I have met in the UK, he strikes me as a man that

has his heart in what he says his work on cellular effects seems pretty

feasible and reflects alot of research done by others accross the globe ie

pointing to cellular damage. Sadly as we are aware low EMF, and rare still no

EMF areas are as rare as hens teeth, but we should all campaign for the

right to have such freedoms, which are rapidly being taken from us. Slowly

gently catch the monkey !

[Guest guest]

Hey Steph,

 

You sound as bad as me. What are your symptoms?  What are you exposed to where

you live?  LOni

From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

groups (DOT) com

Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 9:44 AM

 

In a message dated 17/08/2009 17:13:31 GMT Daylight Time, stcrorogers (DOT) com

writes:

Yes , there is an emotional component to this and to me it was always

a sense of time lost on my couch when I should have been getting my

business of the ground. I called the last ten years of my life " the lost decade "

and Marlon Brando echoes in my head " I could have been a contender. " The

most painful is when others call me " hypochondriac. T

Yes same here to the letter, I spent 10 years educating myself as a

Building Surveyor got a degree got good jobs, lost the lot as I have been

out of the game for nearly a year now. The classic for me is others who

taunt me about my wife working while I am not (although looking after 2 kids

and trying to make a few quid here and there is a full time job) yesterday

evening at a party one twat talked about his bad back, saying that he would

carry on until he dropped for the sake of his family, he was looking at me

at the time - If only we could give these people a taste of being ES for a

few days. Oh and the final insult I have on a few occassions played back

via a small set of speakers through my open window the sound picked up on an

AM radio from a plasma TV that swamps the area when its on, the sound is

like a fax on the AM radio, well 2 of the locals asked me what that awful

sound was they could barely stand it, I said imagine you were exposed to that

but only you can hear the sound, they still did not get it ! selfish

ba...rds !

[Guest guest]

i took pig adrenals for awhile.  you have to be very careful of the source for

this, due to swine flu and other cross-over viruses.  but it helped me

immensely.  i also, concurrently, took pig's thymus, liver, and porcine

pancreatic and intestinal enzymes.  these were packed in huge capsules for me by

a nutritionist who specialized in glandular therapy.  that said, i still (for

the 20 years since) need to supplement my adrenals/lymphatics now that they are

beyond the brink to keep them working properly.

 

diane

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals

> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good

> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are

supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of

animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

hi Steph,

 

been reading your info on G Carlo's ES treatment with much interest!   one thing

i have personally noticed is how many people with EMS have also previous dxes of

chronic fatigue syndrome and/or fibromyalgia.  it makes perfect sense to me that

mitochondria damage is part of the ES equation.  and all here would have to be

blind not to know how i feel about the ion channel involvement!  lol  thanks so

much for sharing this info and keep sending anything you might find.  i will be

looking more into it as well.

 

thanks so much for sharing,

diane

From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

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Date: Sunday, 16 August, 2009, 9:07 AM

 

uk -

I know someone who is using the treatment program here in the uk, I will

kep you posted. I think there is mileage in dealing with the phychological

damage that accompanies ES, ie you feel,

cheated,persecuted, tormeted, patranised, misunderstood, pessimistic, angry, and

a whole lot more, certainly having

a break from your daily routine in a place that has low emf will help, but

you might find that all of the latter comes back with avengence when you

start to get burnt again trying to resume the normal daily life that you are

entitled to. and realise again how you are being cheated of you health amd

well being.

peace and love, peace and love peace and love..mmmmm its not working !

[Guest guest]

I was thinking I should clarify my criticism of this.

First, Dr. Carlo is not a doctor of medicine (MD).

He is a Ph.D. statistician. He also later got a law degree.

The only paper I've seen of his in this area was not explicit enough

to be reproducible. Plus he seems to be trying to make money

off of the situation, which is fine, but you should realize he is

not unbiased in what he says, as he has various financial interests.

Bearing in mind that he used to help chemical companies and

tobacco companies explain away their sins, you can reach your

own conclusions.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:38 AM, <reader41@...>wrote:

>

>

> Hi everyone

>

> I came across this by accident the other night. Carlo was speaking

> in London to a group of ES people about what ES is, how to diagnose it, what

> causes it and how it can be treated. Set out below is the treatment protocol

> he says he is using and working on. It seems to me that if someone like him

> is this specific, that if it is a cellular communications problem [in a

> nutshell how described it] and you have to go through these stages, and in

> this order, to go about fixing it then if we want to treat our ES then isn't

> this the way we should go about it? I just wish he was a bit clearer on what

> some of the stages involve. I later came across a paper by

> Goldsworthy, also on calcium ion channels and his work echoed Dr Carlo's

> theory of the cellular communication problem

>

> THis is the protcol Dr Carlo described. I'd be interested to know what

> anyone thinks about it and how we could put together a DIY version if

> possible for those who can't afford to visit various practicioners for

> assistance with doing it.

>

> West wishes

>

> Steph

>

> Dr Carlo stressed the importance of the patient remaining in an EMR free

> environment at all times during treatment, and that only the treatments

> listed should be used, and the sequence adhered to. Other supplements would

> be counterproductive, he explained, because the ion-channels needed to be

> kept clear to allow cellular detoxing. Average time scales are given for

> each part of the treatment, and regular checks and tests determine when a

> patient is ready to move to the next stage.

>

> 1. Neurological re-balancing

> (weeks 1 – 3)

> The aim is to stabilise DHEA and cortisol (hormones produced by the adrenal

> glands and considered to be markers of systemic stress). Treatments in this

> phase include yoga, massage, meditation, and therapies such as Network

> Spinal Analysis to calm and balance the central nervous system. During this

> phase the patient stops taking all supplements.

>

> 2. Ion-channel opening (weeks 2 – 6)

> A form of supplemental magnesium chelated with amino acids is given to

> energise the mitochondria and encourage the ion-channels to re-open.

>

> 3. Mitochondrial enhancement (weeks 3 – 6)

> Mitochondrial function needs to be enhanced at this stage or more toxins

> will enter the cells through the newly opened ion-channels.

>

> 4. Interstitial cleansing (weeks 6 – 8)

> Once the ion-channels are open and the mitochondria are healthy, then the

> toxins in the interstitial space can be cleared.

>

> 5. Intracellular detoxification (weeks 8 – 12)

> Now it is safe to allow the release of toxins from within the cells.

>

> 6 Cell membrane re-building (months 3 – 18)

> Symptoms will have subsided by this point, but an extended period of repair

> is necessary to re-build cell membranes, using supplements and nutrition,

> and keeping the patient free from EMR.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like he follows the money tree.

>

>

> Hi everyone

>

> I came across this by accident the other night. Carlo was speaking

> in London to a group of ES people about what ES is, how to diagnose it, what

> causes it and how it can be treated. Set out below is the treatment protocol

> he says he is using and working on. It seems to me that if someone like him

> is this specific, that if it is a cellular communications problem [in a

> nutshell how described it] and you have to go through these stages, and in

> this order, to go about fixing it then if we want to treat our ES then isn't

> this the way we should go about it? I just wish he was a bit clearer on what

> some of the stages involve. I later came across a paper by

> Goldsworthy, also on calcium ion channels and his work echoed Dr Carlo's

> theory of the cellular communication problem

>

> THis is the protcol Dr Carlo described. I'd be interested to know what

> anyone thinks about it and how we could put together a DIY version if

> possible for those who can't afford to visit various practicioners for

> assistance with doing it.

>

> West wishes

>

> Steph

>

> Dr Carlo stressed the importance of the patient remaining in an EMR free

> environment at all times during treatment, and that only the treatments

> listed should be used, and the sequence adhered to. Other supplements would

> be counterproductive, he explained, because the ion-channels needed to be

> kept clear to allow cellular detoxing. Average time scales are given for

> each part of the treatment, and regular checks and tests determine when a

> patient is ready to move to the next stage.

>

> 1. Neurological re-balancing

> (weeks 1 – 3)

> The aim is to stabilise DHEA and cortisol (hormones produced by the adrenal

> glands and considered to be markers of systemic stress). Treatments in this

> phase include yoga, massage, meditation, and therapies such as Network

> Spinal Analysis to calm and balance the central nervous system. During this

> phase the patient stops taking all supplements.

>

> 2. Ion-channel opening (weeks 2 – 6)

> A form of supplemental magnesium chelated with amino acids is given to

> energise the mitochondria and encourage the ion-channels to re-open.

>

> 3. Mitochondrial enhancement (weeks 3 – 6)

> Mitochondrial function needs to be enhanced at this stage or more toxins

> will enter the cells through the newly opened ion-channels.

>

> 4. Interstitial cleansing (weeks 6 – 8)

> Once the ion-channels are open and the mitochondria are healthy, then the

> toxins in the interstitial space can be cleared.

>

> 5. Intracellular detoxification (weeks 8 – 12)

> Now it is safe to allow the release of toxins from within the cells.

>

> 6 Cell membrane re-building (months 3 – 18)

> Symptoms will have subsided by this point, but an extended period of repair

> is necessary to re-build cell membranes, using supplements and nutrition,

> and keeping the patient free from EMR.

>

> 

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane

 

One thing Nagy did suggest to me was that I should speak to the

otalyrngologist about a steroidal drug called Cortef - I suppose to help the

adrenals - but as this is a steroid which I was a bit wary of [i read online

somewhere else that Licquorice can do just as good a job without any of the

dependency problems] and in any even when I saw him he was FAR too busy to even

listen to anything I would have tried to say to him on that subject [LOL] so I

didn't get anywhere on that front.

 

Best wishes

 

Steph

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

groups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals

> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good

> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are

supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of

animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bill - I did mean to come back on an earlier post of your on this and had

an idea that you thought he had compromised himself because of the fact that he

had previously worked for the mobile phone companies until he at least saw the

light. I had no idea though of the other facets of his background so this is

good to know. All the same it doesn't hurt to explore his treatment regime if it

would help throw up some answers to why our cells don't work properly and

whether any of the damage can be reversed.

 

Best wishes

 

Steph

>

>

> Hi everyone

>

> I came across this by accident the other night. Carlo was speaking

> in London to a group of ES people about what ES is, how to diagnose it, what

> causes it and how it can be treated. Set out below is the treatment protocol

> he says he is using and working on. It seems to me that if someone like him

> is this specific, that if it is a cellular communications problem [in a

> nutshell how described it] and you have to go through these stages, and in

> this order, to go about fixing it then if we want to treat our ES then isn't

> this the way we should go about it? I just wish he was a bit clearer on what

> some of the stages involve. I later came across a paper by

> Goldsworthy, also on calcium ion channels and his work echoed Dr Carlo's

> theory of the cellular communication problem

>

> THis is the protcol Dr Carlo described. I'd be interested to know what

> anyone thinks about it and how we could put together a DIY version if

> possible for those who can't afford to visit various practicioners for

> assistance with doing it.

>

> West wishes

>

> Steph

>

> Dr Carlo stressed the importance of the patient remaining in an EMR free

> environment at all times during treatment, and that only the treatments

> listed should be used, and the sequence adhered to. Other supplements would

> be counterproductive, he explained, because the ion-channels needed to be

> kept clear to allow cellular detoxing. Average time scales are given for

> each part of the treatment, and regular checks and tests determine when a

> patient is ready to move to the next stage.

>

> 1. Neurological re-balancing

> (weeks 1 – 3)

> The aim is to stabilise DHEA and cortisol (hormones produced by the adrenal

> glands and considered to be markers of systemic stress). Treatments in this

> phase include yoga, massage, meditation, and therapies such as Network

> Spinal Analysis to calm and balance the central nervous system. During this

> phase the patient stops taking all supplements.

>

> 2. Ion-channel opening (weeks 2 – 6)

> A form of supplemental magnesium chelated with amino acids is given to

> energise the mitochondria and encourage the ion-channels to re-open.

>

> 3. Mitochondrial enhancement (weeks 3 – 6)

> Mitochondrial function needs to be enhanced at this stage or more toxins

> will enter the cells through the newly opened ion-channels.

>

> 4. Interstitial cleansing (weeks 6 – 8)

> Once the ion-channels are open and the mitochondria are healthy, then the

> toxins in the interstitial space can be cleared.

>

> 5. Intracellular detoxification (weeks 8 – 12)

> Now it is safe to allow the release of toxins from within the cells.

>

> 6 Cell membrane re-building (months 3 – 18)

> Symptoms will have subsided by this point, but an extended period of repair

> is necessary to re-build cell membranes, using supplements and nutrition,

> and keeping the patient free from EMR.

>

> 

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steph,

 

I was on Cortef for three years and it was prescribed to me by an integrative

medicine physician. I doubt that otorhinonolaryngologist would venture there.

Lately in Canada we have Environmental doctors that also might exist over there,

worth researching.

 

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

groups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals

> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good

> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are

supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of

animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

[Guest guest]

Cortef is Hydrocortizone I bellieve which is a steroid. I am dependant on them

now. Meant to only take small amounts for a period of time & then had intense

exposure & burnt adrenals out. Loni

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

groups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals

> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good

> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are

supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of

animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

Did the Cortef do you any good do you think? Did it have any unpleasant side

effects and did you have any trouble coming off it?

 

I agree with you re getting a prescription for it from an ENT guy - prob more

likely to get it from an endocrinologist - now how in my UK medical system would

I get a referral to that guy??

 

BW

 

Steph

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

groups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals

> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good

> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are

supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of

animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

[Guest guest]

This doesn't sound good Loni - I'' be interested to hear 's experience of

it too - my gut instinct recently has been to try to steer as far away as

possible from drug treatment because it just doesn't seem to be a holistic way

of approaching things and I'd prefer more natural treatments if I could get them

- BTW I owe you a reply to a post you sent earlier last week - haven't forgotten

just not well enough to do it justice at the moment the way I'd want to!

 

BW

Steph

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

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Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals

> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good

> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are

supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of

animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

[Guest guest]

Hi Steph,

 

If I had to rate my energy level while on Cortef and glandular I would say 4 out

of 10. Since I plugged in Eathcalm my energy level is 8 out 10. I went off it a

very WRONG way. Almost cold turkey, I do not recommend any of it.

 

My circumstances where as such I felt I had to give it up. No noticeable side

effects,  hard on my stomach only. 

 

Sometimes I wonder if I have not been on Cortef and other adrenal support, would

have I even gotten out of bed most days and have these meds saved my adrenals

from burning out totally ? Perhaps, I will never know...

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

groups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals

> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good

> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are

supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of

animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane

 

I think it is definitely material which can't be overlooked and could be one

part of the treatment plan. I agree with the overlapping dxes re ES and

FM/CFS/ME etc In my case it is a case of chicken and egg - which came first? Did

the EMFs cause the ME illness ?? did the continued unwitting exposure then tip

me over into ES or was it ES all along, masquerading as Me in the early stages

and only becoming full blown ES when I began to feel the vibrations?? My theory

is that I had typical ME, because I still have the typical or classic Canadian

criteria symptology for that, and that it tipped over into ES because I was

being exposed but didn't know anything about it until it was too late. If I

could remediate even the ES I'd be prepared to accept that. So if you come

across anything else of this nature can you keep me posted??

 

Thanks

 

Steph

From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

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Date: Sunday, 16 August, 2009, 9:07 AM

 

uk -

I know someone who is using the treatment program here in the uk, I will

kep you posted. I think there is mileage in dealing with the phychological

damage that accompanies ES, ie you feel,

cheated,persecuted, tormeted, patranised, misunderstood, pessimistic, angry, and

a whole lot more, certainly having

a break from your daily routine in a place that has low emf will help, but

you might find that all of the latter comes back with avengence when you

start to get burnt again trying to resume the normal daily life that you are

entitled to. and realise again how you are being cheated of you health amd

well being.

peace and love, peace and love peace and love..mmmmm its not working !

[Guest guest]

Hi Loni

 

Sweden is one of the only countries that I know of which takes ES seriously,

regards it as an illness which doctors recognise [as opposed to one which they

try to tell you is all in your mind], for which I think social security benefits

are payable, and sets aside specific areas which are wireless free and

designated for the housing of ES people so they are specially adapted for their

needs. They have set aside areas on their public transport where cell phones etc

cannot be used so as not to cause discomfort to ES people and they make

workplaces carry out appropriate adaptations so that ES people can continue to

work. Basically if I could speak swedish I'd be over there in a heartbeat!

 

BW

 

Steph

From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

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Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 9:32 AM

 

In a message dated 17/08/2009 22:02:53 GMT Daylight Time, stcrorogers (DOT) com

writes:

This guy might be a little too technical for me so it would take me

some time to decipher interstitial, mitochondrial etc. I am kind of more

of a give me something to plug in to my wall kind of girl. OK, now I am

laughing at myself here :-) Have to go.

uk replies - I have met in the UK, he strikes me as a man that

has his heart in what he says his work on cellular effects seems pretty

feasible and reflects alot of research done by others accross the globe ie

pointing to cellular damage. Sadly as we are aware low EMF, and rare still no

EMF areas are as rare as hens teeth, but we should all campaign for the

right to have such freedoms, which are rapidly being taken from us. Slowly

gently catch the monkey !

[Guest guest]

Hi Loni

 

My symptoms are I have ME/CFS which I had first for 5 years before becoming ES -

now I have the ES on top. The ES causes me to feel these electrical vibrations

like a sort of on going zzzz zzzz zzzz sensation or a feeling that I can feel

current or some sort of frequency - that is the most distressing symptom. I get

the face rash very badly- espec in shops with the dreaded fluoro lights. I get

awful migraines which start at the back of my neck and go up around the side of

my head to the front of my head and are so painful the pain would nearly make

you pass out. I have tinnitus and hyperacuisis - I can hear sounds others can't

hear - I have the waves of nause and IBS symptoms that last for days at a time

and I have pain - in lymph glands - in the back of my head. i seem to be very

sensitive to WIFI and to transformers. I recently went to a park that had a huge

transformer in it - I went there last summer with no problems - this summer I

couldn't bear to

be in the picnic area with my back to the transformer because of the pain I was

getting at the base of my skull. I am in a semi-rural area at the moment but

close to a main road - I feel the traffic vibrations as pain - same with the

variable speed motors in extractor fans. There is also a transformer here about

10m from the end gable of the house - I try to stay away from that as much as

possible. However the house isn't laid out well from a point of view of trying

to avoid the electric meter etc so it is hard to find what I regard as safe

places to sit and sleep etc. The neighbours here also have a lot of elec

equipment - WIFI and big TVs and I think some of that is coming across too.

 There are 2 sets of cell towers that I know about - one is on farmland about

half a mile away and the other is about a mile from this house on the other

side. The thing with the park means that I am deteriorating and am finding that

there are fewer and fewer places I

can go to without symptoms. A trip into the city to the doctor brings on the

migraine.

 

So I don't know who is worse Loni me or you - i think you have the edge at the

moment but it is hard to tell. Just have to keep searching for things that will

help. I'm thinking of giving the earthcalm a go. What have you tried?

 

Best wishes

 

Steph

 

 

 

From: paulpjcaol (DOT) com <paulpjcaol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

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Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 9:44 AM

 

In a message dated 17/08/2009 17:13:31 GMT Daylight Time, stcrorogers (DOT) com

writes:

Yes , there is an emotional component to this and to me it was always

a sense of time lost on my couch when I should have been getting my

business of the ground. I called the last ten years of my life " the lost decade "

and Marlon Brando echoes in my head " I could have been a contender. " The

most painful is when others call me " hypochondriac. T

Yes same here to the letter, I spent 10 years educating myself as a

Building Surveyor got a degree got good jobs, lost the lot as I have been

out of the game for nearly a year now. The classic for me is others who

taunt me about my wife working while I am not (although looking after 2 kids

and trying to make a few quid here and there is a full time job) yesterday

evening at a party one twat talked about his bad back, saying that he would

carry on until he dropped for the sake of his family, he was looking at me

at the time - If only we could give these people a taste of being ES for a

few days. Oh and the final insult I have on a few occassions played back

via a small set of speakers through my open window the sound picked up on an

AM radio from a plasma TV that swamps the area when its on, the sound is

like a fax on the AM radio, well 2 of the locals asked me what that awful

sound was they could barely stand it, I said imagine you were exposed to that

but only you can hear the sound, they still did not get it ! selfish

ba...rds !