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I wouldn't have a clue how to email a CD but I can figure out how to work a

light switch after I have been shown two or three times. Lol. Check with your

local health food store and ask if they have The Enzymedica CD's. They should

give you one free if they have them. They company sent ours when we bought the

enzymes. Let me know if you can't get one and I'll mail you one.

Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:, how did you get the CD? Is it

available

online? Can it be emailed?

:)

--- claudia diltz <oxyqueen1187@...> wrote:

> Fern,

> An amylase deficiency will cause not only sugar

> cravings because carbs don't get digested but

> allergies as well. Lipase deficiency will cause fats

> not to be digested. Enzymedica has a CD that they

> send to the health food stores which I believe is

> free and it is excellent. Vitalzyme also has a great

> CD about enzymes although we aren't nearly as

> impressed with the product, the information is

> excellent.

>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

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Please list some of the other, fiber filled unrefined foods that you eat.

Looks like I need more veggies, which is easy, and more fiber, not as easy.

Would love some ideas on that which are low carb.

Thanks,

Fern :-)

Re: VCO detox protocal

I agree with what everyone said. What really stood out to me was the

lack of vegetables and fiber and raw food! Man cannot live on one

serving of vegetable a day! I lost weight using the VCO but my diet

is mainly veggies and any other fiber filled unrefined food. I don't

touch artificial sweeteners or white sugar. I really think veggies

and fiber have a great impact on health and weight loss. Eat to Live

by Dr. Fuhrman has great info backed up by references about how

important a high veggie and fiber intake is.

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Rowena,

I am not sure I understand what you are saying here.

I do know how to zip znd unzip files, but in some

groups, (like this one), attachments are blocked form

being sent. Wouldn't that also prevent zipped files

from being sent?

--- Rowena <newses@...> wrote:

> People can zip the contents of a CD to email, eg

> WinZip program. Big email, but even bigger once you

> unzip it.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Fern,

For adding fiber, I recommend:

Flax seed

Chia seed

fresh coconut

WFN unsweetned coconut flakes

WFN coconut flour

For veggies:

Raw, steamed, sateed in VCO, or cutured are the best

methods of preparation.

--- Fern Francis <ffran@...> wrote:

> Please list some of the other, fiber filled

> unrefined foods that you eat.

> Looks like I need more veggies, which is easy, and

> more fiber, not as easy.

> Would love some ideas on that which are low carb.

> Thanks,

> Fern :-)

> Re: VCO detox

> protocal

>

>

> I agree with what everyone said. What really stood

> out to me was the

> lack of vegetables and fiber and raw food! Man

> cannot live on one

> serving of vegetable a day! I lost weight using

> the VCO but my diet

> is mainly veggies and any other fiber filled

> unrefined food. I don't

> touch artificial sweeteners or white sugar. I

> really think veggies

> and fiber have a great impact on health and weight

> loss. Eat to Live

> by Dr. Fuhrman has great info backed up by

> references about how

> important a high veggie and fiber intake is.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Alobar,

Your diet sounds quite similar to the Candida Diet and

Mercola Diet, which I embrace. However, I seem to have

difficulty digesting raw salads. [Years ago, this

wasn't as much of the problem it is now.] So, for the

most part I sautee my veggies in VCO, and 'flavor'

them with cultured veggie condiments.

--- Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

> I eat a low carb diet. I eat 6-8 cups of

> salad every day, plus

> another 8 ounces of cooked veggies. I stay away

> from fruits, and high carb

> veggies like beans, corn, carrots, beets, as well as

> all starches like

> breads, pasta, grain (rice), potatoes. There is

> lots of fiber in 6 cups of

> salad! I also take 2 doses of the inulin sold by

> Duncan Crow to give me

> even more fiber. I eat modest portions of meat

> twice a day. I stay away

> from processed meats like bacon, sausage, hot dogs,

> etc.

>

> Alobar

>

> RE: Re: VCO detox

> protocal

>

>

> > Nina,

> > Thanks for helping. I am fairly new to trying to

> heal myself, instead of

> > the old " trying to lose weight " mindset. I had

> been trying to do a very

> > low

> > carb diet so thus the protein and lack of veggies.

> But, from what I am

> > reading and learning, that is not only an

> unhealthy way, but not a

> > sustainable way of eating. So, will add back in

> the veggies I do love to

> > increase the fiber and antioxidants. I have been

> taking fiber and

> > antioxidant supplements, but I know the real thing

> is best. Our social

> > life

> > have revolved around a club where everyone drinks,

> but I know and do

> > realize

> > that is something I am going to have to pretty

> much give up to heal my

> > body.

> > Never thought about being attracted to the

> wine/liquor b/c of sweet

> > cravings

> > but that makes sense as I like the liquor in diet

> drinks.

> > I am learning so very much on this forum, I truly

> appreciate your taking

> > the

> > time to help me out.

> > Fern :-)

>

>

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Mike, I found this. Its Dr Wong lectures on audio you can listen to on your

computer. I havent checked it out yet , but it looks like what you are

interested in.

IN NC

http://www.drwong.info/audio.htm

Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:, how did you get the CD? Is it

available

online? Can it be emailed?

:)

--- claudia diltz <oxyqueen1187@...> wrote:

> Fern,

> An amylase deficiency will cause not only sugar

> cravings because carbs don't get digested but

> allergies as well. Lipase deficiency will cause fats

> not to be digested. Enzymedica has a CD that they

> send to the health food stores which I believe is

> free and it is excellent. Vitalzyme also has a great

> CD about enzymes although we aren't nearly as

> impressed with the product, the information is

> excellent.

>

> Fern Francis <ffran@...> wrote:

> Nina,

> Thanks for helping. I am fairly new to trying to

> heal myself, instead of

> the old " trying to lose weight " mindset. I had been

> trying to do a very low

> carb diet so thus the protein and lack of veggies.

> But, from what I am

> reading and learning, that is not only an unhealthy

> way, but not a

> sustainable way of eating. So, will add back in the

> veggies I do love to

> increase the fiber and antioxidants. I have been

> taking fiber and

> antioxidant supplements, but I know the real thing

> is best. Our social life

> have revolved around a club where everyone drinks,

> but I know and do realize

> that is something I am going to have to pretty much

> give up to heal my body.

> Never thought about being attracted to the

> wine/liquor b/c of sweet cravings

> but that makes sense as I like the liquor in diet

> drinks.

> I am learning so very much on this forum, I truly

> appreciate your taking the

> time to help me out.

> Fern :-)

> RE: Re: VCO

> detox protocal

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

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,

Dr. Wong advocates a n enzyme product called

Vitalzyme, which is extremely expensive. I have

experimented with Vitalzyme for quite some time, using

rather high doses (6-10 caps /day for about a year)

with mixed results. I found cultured veggies were to

be more effective.

However, if you are interested in purchasing and

trying Vitalzyme for yourself, I have a friend that

sells it for less than you will find it ANYWHERE on

the Internet, including the so called 'guaranteed low

price' sites. He is part of a wholesale buying club,

so he gets it at bottom discount rates, and does not

keep any profit for himself. [This is a ministry work

rather than a business.]

--- Wilkins <montemomma2002@...> wrote:

>

> Mike, I found this. Its Dr Wong lectures on audio

> you can listen to on your computer. I havent checked

> it out yet , but it looks like what you are

> interested in.

> IN NC

>

> http://www.drwong.info/audio.htm

>

> Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:, how did

> you get the CD? Is it available

> online? Can it be emailed?

>

> :)

>

> --- claudia diltz <oxyqueen1187@...> wrote:

>

> > Fern,

> > An amylase deficiency will cause not only sugar

> > cravings because carbs don't get digested but

> > allergies as well. Lipase deficiency will cause

> fats

> > not to be digested. Enzymedica has a CD that they

> > send to the health food stores which I believe is

> > free and it is excellent. Vitalzyme also has a

> great

> > CD about enzymes although we aren't nearly as

> > impressed with the product, the information is

> > excellent.

> >

> > Fern Francis <ffran@...> wrote:

> > Nina,

> > Thanks for helping. I am fairly new to trying to

> > heal myself, instead of

> > the old " trying to lose weight " mindset. I had

> been

> > trying to do a very low

> > carb diet so thus the protein and lack of veggies.

>

> > But, from what I am

> > reading and learning, that is not only an

> unhealthy

> > way, but not a

> > sustainable way of eating. So, will add back in

> the

> > veggies I do love to

> > increase the fiber and antioxidants. I have been

> > taking fiber and

> > antioxidant supplements, but I know the real thing

> > is best. Our social life

> > have revolved around a club where everyone drinks,

> > but I know and do realize

> > that is something I am going to have to pretty

> much

> > give up to heal my body.

> > Never thought about being attracted to the

> > wine/liquor b/c of sweet cravings

> > but that makes sense as I like the liquor in diet

> > drinks.

> > I am learning so very much on this forum, I truly

> > appreciate your taking the

> > time to help me out.

> > Fern :-)

> > RE: Re: VCO

> > detox protocal

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

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Thats good to know.I dont know enough about the product to decide if I am

interested. Maybe for my husband who wont drink kefir. I havent tried the

cultured vegetables yet. But I bought a cabbage yesterday with that in mind. I

was going to let the kefer go to whey so i can use the whey as a starter as

suggested in the cookbook Nourishing Traditions but I lov the keifer so much I

havent been able to make myself delay gratification of drinking the kefer to gt

started with the cultured vegetables. However I will soon be out of my raw milk

and wont get more for a couple more weeks , so I should start the cultured

vegetables.Doesnt It take a week to get it done? What exactly besides Cabbage do

you culture?do you have any favorite recipies?

IN N NC

Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

,

Dr. Wong advocates a n enzyme product called

Vitalzyme, which is extremely expensive. I have

experimented with Vitalzyme for quite some time, using

rather high doses (6-10 caps /day for about a year)

with mixed results. I found cultured veggies were to

be more effective.

However, if you are interested in purchasing and

trying Vitalzyme for yourself, I have a friend that

sells it for less than you will find it ANYWHERE on

the Internet, including the so called 'guaranteed low

price' sites. He is part of a wholesale buying club,

so he gets it at bottom discount rates, and does not

keep any profit for himself. [This is a ministry work

rather than a business.]

--- Wilkins <montemomma2002@...> wrote:

>

> Mike, I found this. Its Dr Wong lectures on audio

> you can listen to on your computer. I havent checked

> it out yet , but it looks like what you are

> interested in.

> IN NC

>

> http://www.drwong.info/audio.htm

>

> Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:, how did

> you get the CD? Is it available

> online? Can it be emailed?

>

> :)

>

> --- claudia diltz <oxyqueen1187@...> wrote:

>

> > Fern,

> > An amylase deficiency will cause not only sugar

> > cravings because carbs don't get digested but

> > allergies as well. Lipase deficiency will cause

> fats

> > not to be digested. Enzymedica has a CD that they

> > send to the health food stores which I believe is

> > free and it is excellent. Vitalzyme also has a

> great

> > CD about enzymes although we aren't nearly as

> > impressed with the product, the information is

> > excellent.

> >

> > Fern Francis <ffran@...> wrote:

> > Nina,

> > Thanks for helping. I am fairly new to trying to

> > heal myself, instead of

> > the old " trying to lose weight " mindset. I had

> been

> > trying to do a very low

> > carb diet so thus the protein and lack of veggies.

>

> > But, from what I am

> > reading and learning, that is not only an

> unhealthy

> > way, but not a

> > sustainable way of eating. So, will add back in

> the

> > veggies I do love to

> > increase the fiber and antioxidants. I have been

> > taking fiber and

> > antioxidant supplements, but I know the real thing

> > is best. Our social life

> > have revolved around a club where everyone drinks,

> > but I know and do realize

> > that is something I am going to have to pretty

> much

> > give up to heal my body.

> > Never thought about being attracted to the

> > wine/liquor b/c of sweet cravings

> > but that makes sense as I like the liquor in diet

> > drinks.

> > I am learning so very much on this forum, I truly

> > appreciate your taking the

> > time to help me out.

> > Fern :-)

> > RE: Re: VCO

> > detox protocal

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

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Well, I don't do the low carb thing. I don't pay attention to that. I

just try to stay away from unrefined foods and keep my diet mostly

fiberfilled whole foods, and I make sure every meal I eat is at LEAST

50% veggies. I spent my childhood and young adult years overweight,

and I lost my weight finally and have maintained it for the past 10

years by eating A LOT of veggies. I also have beans, tempeh, whole

grains like millet, quinoa, spelt, brown rice. I have potatos or

yams sometimes. I have meat maybe once a week. I have some fruit

every morning for breakfast with a bit of veggies. I use ground up

flax seeds for extra fiber and omega 3. So really 99% of my diet has

fiber. My doc says my blood work is the best ever and I am in better

health than I have ever been. The health aspect was just a side

effect since I was really more concerned about weight. But now I

really enjoy feeling good and when I start eating too many refined

foods or fiberless foods, I feel bad and go right back to whole foods

again.

If you have the candida problem though, your diet needs to be

altered. No fruit or grains I think. has the info on that.

>

> --- Fern Francis <ffran@c...> wrote:

>

> > Please list some of the other, fiber filled

> > unrefined foods that you eat.

> > Looks like I need more veggies, which is easy, and

> > more fiber, not as easy.

> > Would love some ideas on that which are low carb.

> > Thanks,

> > Fern :-)

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Fern, if you want adequate daily fiber without complex carbohydrates - happy

hunting!

Nina

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I agree with what everyone said. What really stood out to me was the

lack of vegetables and fiber and raw food! Man cannot live on one

serving of vegetable a day! I lost weight using the VCO but my diet

is mainly veggies and any other fiber filled unrefined food. I don't

touch artificial sweeteners or white sugar. I really think veggies

and fiber have a great impact on health and weight loss. Eat to Live

by Dr. Fuhrman has great info backed up by references about how

important a high veggie and fiber intake is.

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Good stuff on the audios. I listened to one of them.

It sounds very simplistic and general. I'll have to

listen to others on the website.

--- Wilkins <montemomma2002@...> wrote:

>

> Mike, I found this. Its Dr Wong lectures on audio

> you can listen to on your computer. I havent checked

> it out yet , but it looks like what you are

> interested in.

> IN NC

>

> http://www.drwong.info/audio.htm

>

> Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:, how did

> you get the CD? Is it available

> online? Can it be emailed?

>

> :)

>

> --- claudia diltz <oxyqueen1187@...> wrote:

>

> > Fern,

> > An amylase deficiency will cause not only sugar

> > cravings because carbs don't get digested but

> > allergies as well. Lipase deficiency will cause

> fats

> > not to be digested. Enzymedica has a CD that they

> > send to the health food stores which I believe is

> > free and it is excellent. Vitalzyme also has a

> great

> > CD about enzymes although we aren't nearly as

> > impressed with the product, the information is

> > excellent.

> >

> > Fern Francis <ffran@...> wrote:

> > Nina,

> > Thanks for helping. I am fairly new to trying to

> > heal myself, instead of

> > the old " trying to lose weight " mindset. I had

> been

> > trying to do a very low

> > carb diet so thus the protein and lack of veggies.

>

> > But, from what I am

> > reading and learning, that is not only an

> unhealthy

> > way, but not a

> > sustainable way of eating. So, will add back in

> the

> > veggies I do love to

> > increase the fiber and antioxidants. I have been

> > taking fiber and

> > antioxidant supplements, but I know the real thing

> > is best. Our social life

> > have revolved around a club where everyone drinks,

> > but I know and do realize

> > that is something I am going to have to pretty

> much

> > give up to heal my body.

> > Never thought about being attracted to the

> > wine/liquor b/c of sweet cravings

> > but that makes sense as I like the liquor in diet

> > drinks.

> > I am learning so very much on this forum, I truly

> > appreciate your taking the

> > time to help me out.

> > Fern :-)

> > RE: Re: VCO

> > detox protocal

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

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If cultured veggies are more efficient and cost less

and someone STILL chooses this other stuff, isn't that

where they get the definition of INSANITY!! lol

:)

--- Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

wrote:

> ,

>

> Dr. Wong advocates a n enzyme product called

> Vitalzyme, which is extremely expensive. I have

> experimented with Vitalzyme for quite some time,

> using

> rather high doses (6-10 caps /day for about a year)

> with mixed results. I found cultured veggies were to

> be more effective.

>

> However, if you are interested in purchasing and

> trying Vitalzyme for yourself, I have a friend that

> sells it for less than you will find it ANYWHERE on

> the Internet, including the so called 'guaranteed

> low

> price' sites. He is part of a wholesale buying club,

> so he gets it at bottom discount rates, and does not

> keep any profit for himself. [This is a ministry

> work

> rather than a business.]

>

>

>

>

> --- Wilkins <montemomma2002@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Mike, I found this. Its Dr Wong lectures on audio

> > you can listen to on your computer. I havent

> checked

> > it out yet , but it looks like what you are

> > interested in.

> > IN NC

> >

> > http://www.drwong.info/audio.htm

> >

> > Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:, how did

> > you get the CD? Is it available

> > online? Can it be emailed?

> >

> > :)

> >

> > --- claudia diltz <oxyqueen1187@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Fern,

> > > An amylase deficiency will cause not only sugar

> > > cravings because carbs don't get digested but

> > > allergies as well. Lipase deficiency will cause

> > fats

> > > not to be digested. Enzymedica has a CD that

> they

> > > send to the health food stores which I believe

> is

> > > free and it is excellent. Vitalzyme also has a

> > great

> > > CD about enzymes although we aren't nearly as

> > > impressed with the product, the information is

> > > excellent.

> > >

> > > Fern Francis <ffran@...> wrote:

> > > Nina,

> > > Thanks for helping. I am fairly new to trying

> to

> > > heal myself, instead of

> > > the old " trying to lose weight " mindset. I had

> > been

> > > trying to do a very low

> > > carb diet so thus the protein and lack of

> veggies.

> >

> > > But, from what I am

> > > reading and learning, that is not only an

> > unhealthy

> > > way, but not a

> > > sustainable way of eating. So, will add back in

> > the

> > > veggies I do love to

> > > increase the fiber and antioxidants. I have

> been

> > > taking fiber and

> > > antioxidant supplements, but I know the real

> thing

> > > is best. Our social life

> > > have revolved around a club where everyone

> drinks,

> > > but I know and do realize

> > > that is something I am going to have to pretty

> > much

> > > give up to heal my body.

> > > Never thought about being attracted to the

> > > wine/liquor b/c of sweet cravings

> > > but that makes sense as I like the liquor in

> diet

> > > drinks.

> > > I am learning so very much on this forum, I

> truly

> > > appreciate your taking the

> > > time to help me out.

> > > Fern :-)

> > > RE: Re: VCO

> > > detox protocal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

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,

I have made both sauerkraut and pickles from the recipes in the book

Nourishing Traditions. The sauerkraut takes a bit longer to develop

flavor to its full potential, but the pickles are done within a few

weeks (2 - 3 days to ferment and then into the refrigerator). Mine

are two weeks old and quite pickle-y. The recipe in the book is a

very simple one to follow.

-Patty

> Thats good to know.I dont know enough about the product to decide

if I am interested. Maybe for my husband who wont drink kefir. I

havent tried the cultured vegetables yet. But I bought a cabbage

yesterday with that in mind. I was going to let the kefer go to whey

so i can use the whey as a starter as suggested in the cookbook

Nourishing Traditions but I lov the keifer so much I havent been able

to make myself delay gratification of drinking the kefer to gt

started with the cultured vegetables. However I will soon be out of

my raw milk and wont get more for a couple more weeks , so I should

start the cultured vegetables.Doesnt It take a week to get it done?

What exactly besides Cabbage do you culture?do you have any favorite

recipies?

> IN N NC

>

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> Fern, if you want adequate daily fiber without complex carbohydrates -

> happy hunting!

>

> Nina

>

The trick is *low* in digestible carb, not No-carb. Avocados were

recommended to me by a diabetic doc I trust. Duncan Crow sells inulin

powder, which I highly recommend.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html

Beans, corn, carrots are all high carb sources of fiber. Leafy

greens are low carb.

Alobar

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In a message dated 6/22/2005 6:14:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

ninalynn@... writes:

if you want adequate daily fiber without complex carbohydrates

Flax seeds, ground just before eating would be a good choice. Almost all

fiber.

BarbF

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,

Yeah !!!

TN is an EXCELLENT book!!!!

When i make sauerkraut, I chop the cabbage into into

tiny pieces (like grated carrots), so it takes less

time. We start opening/eating it, one jar at a time,

within 3-4 days to 1-2 weeks, but ONE week is really

all that is necessary.

--- Patty T <tri4home@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> I have made both sauerkraut and pickles from the

> recipes in the book

> Nourishing Traditions. The sauerkraut takes a bit

> longer to develop

> flavor to its full potential, but the pickles are

> done within a few

> weeks (2 - 3 days to ferment and then into the

> refrigerator). Mine

> are two weeks old and quite pickle-y. The recipe in

> the book is a

> very simple one to follow.

>

> -Patty

>

>

> > Thats good to know.I dont know enough about the

> product to decide

> if I am interested. Maybe for my husband who wont

> drink kefir. I

> havent tried the cultured vegetables yet. But I

> bought a cabbage

> yesterday with that in mind. I was going to let the

> kefer go to whey

> so i can use the whey as a starter as suggested in

> the cookbook

> Nourishing Traditions but I lov the keifer so much I

> havent been able

> to make myself delay gratification of drinking the

> kefer to gt

> started with the cultured vegetables. However I will

> soon be out of

> my raw milk and wont get more for a couple more

> weeks , so I should

> start the cultured vegetables.Doesnt It take a week

> to get it done?

> What exactly besides Cabbage do you culture?do you

> have any favorite

> recipies?

> > IN N NC

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Sure, flax and green vegetables all contribute to good fiber intake. But I

don't think you will have the effects that Bruce discusses in his book,

Coconut Cures, if you " add " fiber to your diet. For the effect he

discusses, including the size and quality of the bowel movement, your whole

diet needs to be fibrous.

Speaking of greens - the best ones are the cruciferous ones (broccoli

family: includes collards, kale, turnip greens, watercress, radish greens,

bok choy, tatsoi, many others. You'll never run out). Spinach, beet greens

and swiss chard have oxalates, so don't count them in as a calcium source;

they also can create more acidy conditions in the body. Cruciferous greens

have to be pickled or cooked. Steaming will leave them bitter. Boiling is

the best way to cook them, as the bitterness is drained and neutralized this

way. I learned to cook greens this way from a woman who grew up in the

South. It's their tradition.

As Bessie (I think it was Bessie!) pointed out, when you cook vegetables so

that they are delicious, you eat more of them, and you don't have to worry

about nutrients wasted in the water. My own blood work showed both

beta-carotene values and folic acid values to be off the charts, many times

the Western norm.

Nina

Re: Re: VCO detox protocal

In a message dated 6/22/2005 6:14:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

ninalynn@... writes:

if you want adequate daily fiber without complex carbohydrates

Flax seeds, ground just before eating would be a good choice. Almost all

fiber.

BarbF

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