RE: VCO detox protocal

June 17, 2005

Carol,

The VCO Detol Protocal is from Bruce Fife's book,

Coconut Cures. It's basically 5-12 Tablespoons VCO per

day, with LOTS of water, (or lemonade), NO caffeine,

NO NADA else, except for small amounts of FRESH

coconut.

Three days is a preliminary goal. Seven to ten days is

preferrable. (In my case, the Candida die-off caused

me to have extreme nausea, headaches, and upset

stomach (cramps and diarhea). I barely made it through

2 seperate three day periods.

Jeanne (also a subscriber to this forum) had better

luck than I did with it. She made it through the

entire seven days while continuing to work her job.

I highly recommend the

www. if you suspect

Candida is a possible health issue for you. There is

at least one simple, FREE, self test on the site,

along with volumes of files full of valuable

information.

Best regards,

--- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> Could you please tell me what VCO Detox Protocal is?

> I also thought my synthroid was not working, the

> dose is now doubled...I still do not feel any

> better, and I'm still gaining weight. I also think

> I have Candida, and not a thryroid issue.

>

> Carol

>

> Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

> Dear a with a K,

>

> Wow, this is an ancient post from the archives!

>

> Since writing that, I have come to the conclusion

> that

> I my problem really isn't underactive thyroid after

> all, it's Candida overgrowth. In fact, I suspect

> that

> many people who have been diagnosed with

> hypothyroidism really have Candidasis instead, as

> both

> conditions share common symptoms.

>

> At the time of the earlier post, I was expecting the

> VCO to boost my thyroid to the point where my weight

> was stablized without realizing that it was the

> Candida that was causing my slow digestion and

> weight

> gain. I needed to avoid the dietary contributers to

> my

> Candida condition; namely fruit (smoothies) and

> sugar

> sweetened coconut (which I thought was UNsweetened).

>

> I have learned and applied a great deal of useful

> information from the

> www. site, which has

> been helpful. (Mainly, I have been reminded that

> Candida is a formidable and deadly foe). VCO and

> coconut products are a big part of the successful

> results I have been experiencing.

>

> Although the VCO Detox Protocal is powerful

> medicine,

> the Candida die-off side-effects can be intense, and

> in my case, too extreme.

>

> --- Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear a,

> >

> > There are a million other good reasons to continue

> > using VCO, even though it hasn't help to correct

> my

> > underactive thyroid.

> >

> > Thanks for the advice on dessicated---

> > kristinahall2000 <kristinahall@...> wrote:

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I'm sorry the VCO hasn't worked well for you.

> I'm

> > > sure adding the

> > > extra calories to my diet hasn't helped, but I

> was

> > > quite disappointed

> > > my wieght gain continued unabated. The VCO has

> > > helped my thyroid

> > > symptoms quite a bit, but I remain unconvinced

> > that

> > > I don't need more

> > > help. If I were you, I'd consider other types

> of

> > > thyroid medication

> > > first before trying synthroid...I've heard

> > negative

> > > reviews of that

> > > particular type of medication. I am taking

> > > dessicated thyroid

> > > prescribed by a naturopathic doctor, and it's

> > helped

> > > quite a bit. I

> > > do feel discouraged that my thyroid seems to

> need

> > > more and more

> > > medication over the years, which is why I tried

> > VCO.

> > > Thank you for

> > > sharing your story.

> > >

> > > a

> > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I began gaining weight quickly in December.

> > > I've

> > > > > gained nearly twenty

> > > > > pounds since Dec. 1. February 1 I began

> > taking

> > > 3 TB

> > > > > of VCO every day.

> > > > > I had had fairly severe symptoms of

> > hypothyroid

> > > and

> > > > > adrenal exhaustion,

> > > > > and these symptoms disappeared within the

> > first

> > > > > week. I immediately

> > > > > began to sleep through the night, wake up

> > alert

> > > and

> > > > > refreshed after

> > > > > only eight hours of sleep (unusual for me.)

> I

> > > also

> > > > > felt cheerful and

> > > > > enenergetic. I think I may have been

> slightly

> > > > > hyper-thyroid, and quite

> > > > > honestly I loved it. I also lost two pounds

> > the

> > > > > first week, without

> > > > > doing anything else differently.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since then I continued to gain weight again,

> > > about

> > > > > five pounds a

> > > > > month. I seem to have leveled out these

> last

> > > couple

> > > > > of weeks.

> > > > > Although I haven't begun a stringent diet,

> > > hoping

> > > > > that " sensible "

> > > > > eating and light excercise would do the

> trick,

> > I

> > > am

> > > > > at a loss as to why

> > > > > I continue to gain weight. I eat three

> meals

> > a

> > > day,

> > > > > skip sugar and

> > > > > grains, eat plenty of protein...I don't get

> > it.

> > > I

> > > > > am loathe to

> > > > > discontinue or reduce my VCO because it has

> > > > > otherwise made such a

> > > > > healthful difference for me.

> > > > >

>

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June 17, 2005

I did the tests this morning...the spit test was positive. I signed up this

morning for the group...thanks. I'll find out for sure on Monday. I had a

lot of blood workup done last week, since my new endo didn't think it was my

thryoid either. It is amazing how this mimics hypothyroidism......I think the

weight and brain fog is the worst.

Carol

Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

Carol,

The VCO Detol Protocal is from Bruce Fife's book,

Coconut Cures. It's basically 5-12 Tablespoons VCO per

day, with LOTS of water, (or lemonade), NO caffeine,

NO NADA else, except for small amounts of FRESH

coconut.

Three days is a preliminary goal. Seven to ten days is

preferrable. (In my case, the Candida die-off caused

me to have extreme nausea, headaches, and upset

stomach (cramps and diarhea). I barely made it through

2 seperate three day periods.

Jeanne (also a subscriber to this forum) had better

luck than I did with it. She made it through the

entire seven days while continuing to work her job.

I highly recommend the

www. if you suspect

Candida is a possible health issue for you. There is

at least one simple, FREE, self test on the site,

along with volumes of files full of valuable

information.

Best regards,

--- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> Could you please tell me what VCO Detox Protocal is?

> I also thought my synthroid was not working, the

> dose is now doubled...I still do not feel any

> better, and I'm still gaining weight. I also think

> I have Candida, and not a thryroid issue.

>

> Carol

>

> Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

> Dear a with a K,

>

> Wow, this is an ancient post from the archives!

>

> Since writing that, I have come to the conclusion

> that

> I my problem really isn't underactive thyroid after

> all, it's Candida overgrowth. In fact, I suspect

> that

> many people who have been diagnosed with

> hypothyroidism really have Candidasis instead, as

> both

> conditions share common symptoms.

>

> At the time of the earlier post, I was expecting the

> VCO to boost my thyroid to the point where my weight

> was stablized without realizing that it was the

> Candida that was causing my slow digestion and

> weight

> gain. I needed to avoid the dietary contributers to

> my

> Candida condition; namely fruit (smoothies) and

> sugar

> sweetened coconut (which I thought was UNsweetened).

>

> I have learned and applied a great deal of useful

> information from the

> www. site, which has

> been helpful. (Mainly, I have been reminded that

> Candida is a formidable and deadly foe). VCO and

> coconut products are a big part of the successful

> results I have been experiencing.

>

> Although the VCO Detox Protocal is powerful

> medicine,

> the Candida die-off side-effects can be intense, and

> in my case, too extreme.

>

> --- Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear a,

> >

> > There are a million other good reasons to continue

> > using VCO, even though it hasn't help to correct

> my

> > underactive thyroid.

> >

> > Thanks for the advice on dessicated---

> > kristinahall2000 <kristinahall@...> wrote:

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I'm sorry the VCO hasn't worked well for you.

> I'm

> > > sure adding the

> > > extra calories to my diet hasn't helped, but I

> was

> > > quite disappointed

> > > my wieght gain continued unabated. The VCO has

> > > helped my thyroid

> > > symptoms quite a bit, but I remain unconvinced

> > that

> > > I don't need more

> > > help. If I were you, I'd consider other types

> of

> > > thyroid medication

> > > first before trying synthroid...I've heard

> > negative

> > > reviews of that

> > > particular type of medication. I am taking

> > > dessicated thyroid

> > > prescribed by a naturopathic doctor, and it's

> > helped

> > > quite a bit. I

> > > do feel discouraged that my thyroid seems to

> need

> > > more and more

> > > medication over the years, which is why I tried

> > VCO.

> > > Thank you for

> > > sharing your story.

> > >

> > > a

> > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I began gaining weight quickly in December.

> > > I've

> > > > > gained nearly twenty

> > > > > pounds since Dec. 1. February 1 I began

> > taking

> > > 3 TB

> > > > > of VCO every day.

> > > > > I had had fairly severe symptoms of

> > hypothyroid

> > > and

> > > > > adrenal exhaustion,

> > > > > and these symptoms disappeared within the

> > first

> > > > > week. I immediately

> > > > > began to sleep through the night, wake up

> > alert

> > > and

> > > > > refreshed after

> > > > > only eight hours of sleep (unusual for me.)

> I

> > > also

> > > > > felt cheerful and

> > > > > enenergetic. I think I may have been

> slightly

> > > > > hyper-thyroid, and quite

> > > > > honestly I loved it. I also lost two pounds

> > the

> > > > > first week, without

> > > > > doing anything else differently.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since then I continued to gain weight again,

> > > about

> > > > > five pounds a

> > > > > month. I seem to have leveled out these

> last

> > > couple

> > > > > of weeks.

> > > > > Although I haven't begun a stringent diet,

> > > hoping

> > > > > that " sensible "

> > > > > eating and light excercise would do the

> trick,

> > I

> > > am

> > > > > at a loss as to why

> > > > > I continue to gain weight. I eat three

> meals

> > a

> > > day,

> > > > > skip sugar and

> > > > > grains, eat plenty of protein...I don't get

> > it.

> > > I

> > > > > am loathe to

> > > > > discontinue or reduce my VCO because it has

> > > > > otherwise made such a

> > > > > healthful difference for me.

> > > > >

>

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June 17, 2005

Carol,

For me, the worst thing for me was knowing that I was

essentially starving to death (not digesting or

assimilating), even though I was gaining weight,

despite the fact that I was eating nutritious foods.

The second worst thing was the stomach bloating, even

when eating small meals.

--- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> I did the tests this morning...the spit test was

> positive. I signed up this morning for the

> group...thanks. I'll find out for sure on Monday. I

> had a lot of blood workup done last week, since my

> new endo didn't think it was my thryoid either. It

> is amazing how this mimics hypothyroidism......I

> think the weight and brain fog is the worst.

>

> Carol

>

> Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

> Carol,

>

> The VCO Detol Protocal is from Bruce Fife's book,

> Coconut Cures. It's basically 5-12 Tablespoons VCO

> per

> day, with LOTS of water, (or lemonade), NO caffeine,

> NO NADA else, except for small amounts of FRESH

> coconut.

>

> Three days is a preliminary goal. Seven to ten days

> is

> preferrable. (In my case, the Candida die-off caused

> me to have extreme nausea, headaches, and upset

> stomach (cramps and diarhea). I barely made it

> through

> 2 seperate three day periods.

>

> Jeanne (also a subscriber to this forum) had better

> luck than I did with it. She made it through the

> entire seven days while continuing to work her job.

>

> I highly recommend the

> www. if you suspect

> Candida is a possible health issue for you. There is

> at least one simple, FREE, self test on the site,

> along with volumes of files full of valuable

> information.

>

> Best regards,

>

> --- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

>

> > Could you please tell me what VCO Detox Protocal

> is?

> > I also thought my synthroid was not working, the

> > dose is now doubled...I still do not feel any

> > better, and I'm still gaining weight. I also

> think

> > I have Candida, and not a thryroid issue.

> >

> > Carol

> >

> > Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> wrote:

> > Dear a with a K,

> >

> > Wow, this is an ancient post from the archives!

> >

> > Since writing that, I have come to the conclusion

> > that

> > I my problem really isn't underactive thyroid

> after

> > all, it's Candida overgrowth. In fact, I suspect

> > that

> > many people who have been diagnosed with

> > hypothyroidism really have Candidasis instead, as

> > both

> > conditions share common symptoms.

> >

> > At the time of the earlier post, I was expecting

> the

> > VCO to boost my thyroid to the point where my

> weight

> > was stablized without realizing that it was the

> > Candida that was causing my slow digestion and

> > weight

> > gain. I needed to avoid the dietary contributers

> to

> > my

> > Candida condition; namely fruit (smoothies) and

> > sugar

> > sweetened coconut (which I thought was

> UNsweetened).

> >

> > I have learned and applied a great deal of useful

> > information from the

> > www. site, which has

> > been helpful. (Mainly, I have been reminded that

> > Candida is a formidable and deadly foe). VCO and

> > coconut products are a big part of the successful

> > results I have been experiencing.

> >

> > Although the VCO Detox Protocal is powerful

> > medicine,

> > the Candida die-off side-effects can be intense,

> and

> > in my case, too extreme.

> >

> > --- Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear a,

> > >

> > > There are a million other good reasons to

> continue

> > > using VCO, even though it hasn't help to correct

> > my

> > > underactive thyroid.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the advice on dessicated---

> > > kristinahall2000 <kristinahall@...>

> wrote:

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry the VCO hasn't worked well for you.

> > I'm

> > > > sure adding the

> > > > extra calories to my diet hasn't helped, but I

> > was

> > > > quite disappointed

> > > > my wieght gain continued unabated. The VCO

> has

> > > > helped my thyroid

> > > > symptoms quite a bit, but I remain unconvinced

> > > that

> > > > I don't need more

> > > > help. If I were you, I'd consider other types

> > of

> > > > thyroid medication

> > > > first before trying synthroid...I've heard

> > > negative

> > > > reviews of that

> > > > particular type of medication. I am taking

> > > > dessicated thyroid

> > > > prescribed by a naturopathic doctor, and it's

> > > helped

> > > > quite a bit. I

> > > > do feel discouraged that my thyroid seems to

> > need

> > > > more and more

> > > > medication over the years, which is why I

> tried

> > > VCO.

> > > > Thank you for

> > > > sharing your story.

> > > >

> > > > a

> > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I began gaining weight quickly in

> December.

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June 17, 2005

I agree with the bloating. I am not hungry most of the time, and when I eat,

its always a small amount. Afterwards, it looks like I'm 5 months pregnant! I

am a very healthy eater, so giving up what little sweets I do eat won't be a

problem. I do enjoy a glass of wine in the evening though. Besides taking the

coconut oil, I also started doing a colon cleanse. I figure it cannot hurt at

this point

Carol

Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

Carol,

For me, the worst thing for me was knowing that I was

essentially starving to death (not digesting or

assimilating), even though I was gaining weight,

despite the fact that I was eating nutritious foods.

The second worst thing was the stomach bloating, even

when eating small meals.

--- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> I did the tests this morning...the spit test was

> positive. I signed up this morning for the

> group...thanks. I'll find out for sure on Monday. I

> had a lot of blood workup done last week, since my

> new endo didn't think it was my thryoid either. It

> is amazing how this mimics hypothyroidism......I

> think the weight and brain fog is the worst.

>

> Carol

>

> Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

> Carol,

>

> The VCO Detol Protocal is from Bruce Fife's book,

> Coconut Cures. It's basically 5-12 Tablespoons VCO

> per

> day, with LOTS of water, (or lemonade), NO caffeine,

> NO NADA else, except for small amounts of FRESH

> coconut.

>

> Three days is a preliminary goal. Seven to ten days

> is

> preferrable. (In my case, the Candida die-off caused

> me to have extreme nausea, headaches, and upset

> stomach (cramps and diarhea). I barely made it

> through

> 2 seperate three day periods.

>

> Jeanne (also a subscriber to this forum) had better

> luck than I did with it. She made it through the

> entire seven days while continuing to work her job.

>

> I highly recommend the

> www. if you suspect

> Candida is a possible health issue for you. There is

> at least one simple, FREE, self test on the site,

> along with volumes of files full of valuable

> information.

>

> Best regards,

>

> --- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

>

> > Could you please tell me what VCO Detox Protocal

> is?

> > I also thought my synthroid was not working, the

> > dose is now doubled...I still do not feel any

> > better, and I'm still gaining weight. I also

> think

> > I have Candida, and not a thryroid issue.

> >

> > Carol

> >

> > Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> wrote:

> > Dear a with a K,

> >

> > Wow, this is an ancient post from the archives!

> >

> > Since writing that, I have come to the conclusion

> > that

> > I my problem really isn't underactive thyroid

> after

> > all, it's Candida overgrowth. In fact, I suspect

> > that

> > many people who have been diagnosed with

> > hypothyroidism really have Candidasis instead, as

> > both

> > conditions share common symptoms.

> >

> > At the time of the earlier post, I was expecting

> the

> > VCO to boost my thyroid to the point where my

> weight

> > was stablized without realizing that it was the

> > Candida that was causing my slow digestion and

> > weight

> > gain. I needed to avoid the dietary contributers

> to

> > my

> > Candida condition; namely fruit (smoothies) and

> > sugar

> > sweetened coconut (which I thought was

> UNsweetened).

> >

> > I have learned and applied a great deal of useful

> > information from the

> > www. site, which has

> > been helpful. (Mainly, I have been reminded that

> > Candida is a formidable and deadly foe). VCO and

> > coconut products are a big part of the successful

> > results I have been experiencing.

> >

> > Although the VCO Detox Protocal is powerful

> > medicine,

> > the Candida die-off side-effects can be intense,

> and

> > in my case, too extreme.

> >

> > --- Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear a,

> > >

> > > There are a million other good reasons to

> continue

> > > using VCO, even though it hasn't help to correct

> > my

> > > underactive thyroid.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the advice on dessicated---

> > > kristinahall2000 <kristinahall@...>

> wrote:

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry the VCO hasn't worked well for you.

> > I'm

> > > > sure adding the

> > > > extra calories to my diet hasn't helped, but I

> > was

> > > > quite disappointed

> > > > my wieght gain continued unabated. The VCO

> has

> > > > helped my thyroid

> > > > symptoms quite a bit, but I remain unconvinced

> > > that

> > > > I don't need more

> > > > help. If I were you, I'd consider other types

> > of

> > > > thyroid medication

> > > > first before trying synthroid...I've heard

> > > negative

> > > > reviews of that

> > > > particular type of medication. I am taking

> > > > dessicated thyroid

> > > > prescribed by a naturopathic doctor, and it's

> > > helped

> > > > quite a bit. I

> > > > do feel discouraged that my thyroid seems to

> > need

> > > > more and more

> > > > medication over the years, which is why I

> tried

> > > VCO.

> > > > Thank you for

> > > > sharing your story.

> > > >

> > > > a

> > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I began gaining weight quickly in

> December.

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June 17, 2005

Carol,

Sounds familiar. I can relate. In fact, I even went

out and purchased a " First Response " test kit (at 48

years old)!

Probiotics are important too. Cultured vegetables,

miso are good sources. If you are interested, I will

send you (an offline) attachment with my method of

preparing them. Actually, that offer goes for ANYONE

who is interested.

--- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> I agree with the bloating. I am not hungry most of

> the time, and when I eat, its always a small amount.

> Afterwards, it looks like I'm 5 months pregnant! I

> am a very healthy eater, so giving up what little

> sweets I do eat won't be a problem. I do enjoy a

> glass of wine in the evening though. Besides taking

> the coconut oil, I also started doing a colon

> cleanse. I figure it cannot hurt at this point

> Carol

>

> Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

> Carol,

>

> For me, the worst thing for me was knowing that I

> was

> essentially starving to death (not digesting or

> assimilating), even though I was gaining weight,

> despite the fact that I was eating nutritious foods.

>

> The second worst thing was the stomach bloating,

> even

> when eating small meals.

>

> --- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

>

> > I did the tests this morning...the spit test was

> > positive. I signed up this morning for the

> > group...thanks. I'll find out for sure on Monday.

> I

> > had a lot of blood workup done last week, since my

> > new endo didn't think it was my thryoid either.

> It

> > is amazing how this mimics hypothyroidism......I

> > think the weight and brain fog is the worst.

> >

> > Carol

> >

> > Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> wrote:

> > Carol,

> >

> > The VCO Detol Protocal is from Bruce Fife's book,

> > Coconut Cures. It's basically 5-12 Tablespoons VCO

> > per

> > day, with LOTS of water, (or lemonade), NO

> caffeine,

> > NO NADA else, except for small amounts of FRESH

> > coconut.

> >

> > Three days is a preliminary goal. Seven to ten

> days

> > is

> > preferrable. (In my case, the Candida die-off

> caused

> > me to have extreme nausea, headaches, and upset

> > stomach (cramps and diarhea). I barely made it

> > through

> > 2 seperate three day periods.

> >

> > Jeanne (also a subscriber to this forum) had

> better

> > luck than I did with it. She made it through the

> > entire seven days while continuing to work her

> job.

> >

> > I highly recommend the

> > www. if you suspect

> > Candida is a possible health issue for you. There

> is

> > at least one simple, FREE, self test on the site,

> > along with volumes of files full of valuable

> > information.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > --- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Could you please tell me what VCO Detox Protocal

> > is?

> > > I also thought my synthroid was not working,

> the

> > > dose is now doubled...I still do not feel any

> > > better, and I'm still gaining weight. I also

> > think

> > > I have Candida, and not a thryroid issue.

> > >

> > > Carol

> > >

> > > Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear a with a K,

> > >

> > > Wow, this is an ancient post from the archives!

> > >

> > > Since writing that, I have come to the

> conclusion

> > > that

> > > I my problem really isn't underactive thyroid

> > after

> > > all, it's Candida overgrowth. In fact, I suspect

> > > that

> > > many people who have been diagnosed with

> > > hypothyroidism really have Candidasis instead,

> as

> > > both

> > > conditions share common symptoms.

> > >

> > > At the time of the earlier post, I was expecting

> > the

> > > VCO to boost my thyroid to the point where my

> > weight

> > > was stablized without realizing that it was the

> > > Candida that was causing my slow digestion and

> > > weight

> > > gain. I needed to avoid the dietary contributers

> > to

> > > my

> > > Candida condition; namely fruit (smoothies) and

> > > sugar

> > > sweetened coconut (which I thought was

> > UNsweetened).

> > >

> > > I have learned and applied a great deal of

> useful

> > > information from the

> > > www. site, which

> has

> > > been helpful. (Mainly, I have been reminded that

> > > Candida is a formidable and deadly foe). VCO and

> > > coconut products are a big part of the

> successful

> > > results I have been experiencing.

> > >

> > > Although the VCO Detox Protocal is powerful

> > > medicine,

> > > the Candida die-off side-effects can be intense,

> > and

> > > in my case, too extreme.

> > >

> > > --- Henley

> <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear a,

> > > >

> > > > There are a million other good reasons to

> > continue

> > > > using VCO, even though it hasn't help to

> correct

> > > my

> > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the advice on dessicated---

> > > > kristinahall2000 <kristinahall@...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sorry the VCO hasn't worked well for

> you.

> > > I'm

> > > > > sure adding the

> > > > > extra calories to my diet hasn't helped, but

> I

> > > was

> > > > > quite disappointed

> > > > > my wieght gain continued unabated. The VCO

> > has

> > > > > helped my thyroid

> > > > > symptoms quite a bit, but I remain

> unconvinced

> > > > that

> > > > > I don't need more

> > > > > help. If I were you, I'd consider other

> types

> > > of

> > > > > thyroid medication

> > > > > first before trying synthroid...I've heard

> > > > negative

> > > > > reviews of that

> > > > > particular type of medication. I am taking

> > > > > dessicated thyroid

> > > > > prescribed by a naturopathic doctor, and

> it's

> > > > helped

> > > > > quite a bit. I

> > > > > do feel discouraged that my thyroid seems to

> > > need

> > > > > more and more

> > > > > medication over the years, which is why I

> > tried

> > > > VCO.

> > > > > Thank you for

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

June 20, 2005

,

I would appreciate any information you could send me. I bought over the

weekend, Candigone...hopefully that will start the process of getting rid of it.

I am taking about 5 tbs of coconut oil a day

Carol.....my email is bsl0619@...

Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

Carol,

Sounds familiar. I can relate. In fact, I even went

out and purchased a " First Response " test kit (at 48

years old)!

Probiotics are important too. Cultured vegetables,

miso are good sources. If you are interested, I will

send you (an offline) attachment with my method of

preparing them. Actually, that offer goes for ANYONE

who is interested.

--- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> I agree with the bloating. I am not hungry most of

> the time, and when I eat, its always a small amount.

> Afterwards, it looks like I'm 5 months pregnant! I

> am a very healthy eater, so giving up what little

> sweets I do eat won't be a problem. I do enjoy a

> glass of wine in the evening though. Besides taking

> the coconut oil, I also started doing a colon

> cleanse. I figure it cannot hurt at this point

> Carol

>

> Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

> Carol,

>

> For me, the worst thing for me was knowing that I

> was

> essentially starving to death (not digesting or

> assimilating), even though I was gaining weight,

> despite the fact that I was eating nutritious foods.

>

> The second worst thing was the stomach bloating,

> even

> when eating small meals.

>

> --- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

>

> > I did the tests this morning...the spit test was

> > positive. I signed up this morning for the

> > group...thanks. I'll find out for sure on Monday.

> I

> > had a lot of blood workup done last week, since my

> > new endo didn't think it was my thryoid either.

> It

> > is amazing how this mimics hypothyroidism......I

> > think the weight and brain fog is the worst.

> >

> > Carol

> >

> > Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> wrote:

> > Carol,

> >

> > The VCO Detol Protocal is from Bruce Fife's book,

> > Coconut Cures. It's basically 5-12 Tablespoons VCO

> > per

> > day, with LOTS of water, (or lemonade), NO

> caffeine,

> > NO NADA else, except for small amounts of FRESH

> > coconut.

> >

> > Three days is a preliminary goal. Seven to ten

> days

> > is

> > preferrable. (In my case, the Candida die-off

> caused

> > me to have extreme nausea, headaches, and upset

> > stomach (cramps and diarhea). I barely made it

> > through

> > 2 seperate three day periods.

> >

> > Jeanne (also a subscriber to this forum) had

> better

> > luck than I did with it. She made it through the

> > entire seven days while continuing to work her

> job.

> >

> > I highly recommend the

> > www. if you suspect

> > Candida is a possible health issue for you. There

> is

> > at least one simple, FREE, self test on the site,

> > along with volumes of files full of valuable

> > information.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > --- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Could you please tell me what VCO Detox Protocal

> > is?

> > > I also thought my synthroid was not working,

> the

> > > dose is now doubled...I still do not feel any

> > > better, and I'm still gaining weight. I also

> > think

> > > I have Candida, and not a thryroid issue.

> > >

> > > Carol

> > >

> > > Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear a with a K,

> > >

> > > Wow, this is an ancient post from the archives!

> > >

> > > Since writing that, I have come to the

> conclusion

> > > that

> > > I my problem really isn't underactive thyroid

> > after

> > > all, it's Candida overgrowth. In fact, I suspect

> > > that

> > > many people who have been diagnosed with

> > > hypothyroidism really have Candidasis instead,

> as

> > > both

> > > conditions share common symptoms.

> > >

> > > At the time of the earlier post, I was expecting

> > the

> > > VCO to boost my thyroid to the point where my

> > weight

> > > was stablized without realizing that it was the

> > > Candida that was causing my slow digestion and

> > > weight

> > > gain. I needed to avoid the dietary contributers

> > to

> > > my

> > > Candida condition; namely fruit (smoothies) and

> > > sugar

> > > sweetened coconut (which I thought was

> > UNsweetened).

> > >

> > > I have learned and applied a great deal of

> useful

> > > information from the

> > > www. site, which

> has

> > > been helpful. (Mainly, I have been reminded that

> > > Candida is a formidable and deadly foe). VCO and

> > > coconut products are a big part of the

> successful

> > > results I have been experiencing.

> > >

> > > Although the VCO Detox Protocal is powerful

> > > medicine,

> > > the Candida die-off side-effects can be intense,

> > and

> > > in my case, too extreme.

> > >

> > > --- Henley

> <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear a,

> > > >

> > > > There are a million other good reasons to

> > continue

> > > > using VCO, even though it hasn't help to

> correct

> > > my

> > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the advice on dessicated---

> > > > kristinahall2000 <kristinahall@...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sorry the VCO hasn't worked well for

> you.

> > > I'm

> > > > > sure adding the

> > > > > extra calories to my diet hasn't helped, but

> I

> > > was

> > > > > quite disappointed

> > > > > my wieght gain continued unabated. The VCO

> > has

> > > > > helped my thyroid

> > > > > symptoms quite a bit, but I remain

> unconvinced

> > > > that

> > > > > I don't need more

> > > > > help. If I were you, I'd consider other

> types

> > > of

> > > > > thyroid medication

> > > > > first before trying synthroid...I've heard

> > > > negative

> > > > > reviews of that

> > > > > particular type of medication. I am taking

> > > > > dessicated thyroid

> > > > > prescribed by a naturopathic doctor, and

> it's

> > > > helped

> > > > > quite a bit. I

> > > > > do feel discouraged that my thyroid seems to

> > > need

> > > > > more and more

> > > > > medication over the years, which is why I

> > tried

> > > > VCO.

> > > > > Thank you for

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

June 20, 2005

I just checked on my calender and have been taking 3 or more T of CO for 12

weeks. Still no weight loss, or loss of inches. Can those of you who have

taken it for awhile and then finally lost, please encourage me? I know I

have asked this before, but it does help to hear from others. Thanks in

advance!

Fern

Re: Re: VCO detox protocal

,

I would appreciate any information you could send me. I bought over the

weekend, Candigone...hopefully that will start the process of getting rid of

it. I am taking about 5 tbs of coconut oil a day

Carol.....my email is bsl0619@...

Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

Carol,

Sounds familiar. I can relate. In fact, I even went

out and purchased a " First Response " test kit (at 48

years old)!

Probiotics are important too. Cultured vegetables,

miso are good sources. If you are interested, I will

send you (an offline) attachment with my method of

preparing them. Actually, that offer goes for ANYONE

who is interested.

--- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> I agree with the bloating. I am not hungry most of

> the time, and when I eat, its always a small amount.

> Afterwards, it looks like I'm 5 months pregnant! I

> am a very healthy eater, so giving up what little

> sweets I do eat won't be a problem. I do enjoy a

> glass of wine in the evening though. Besides taking

> the coconut oil, I also started doing a colon

> cleanse. I figure it cannot hurt at this point

> Carol

>

> Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

> Carol,

>

> For me, the worst thing for me was knowing that I

> was

> essentially starving to death (not digesting or

> assimilating), even though I was gaining weight,

> despite the fact that I was eating nutritious foods.

>

> The second worst thing was the stomach bloating,

> even

> when eating small meals.

>

> --- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

>

> > I did the tests this morning...the spit test was

> > positive. I signed up this morning for the

> > group...thanks. I'll find out for sure on Monday.

> I

> > had a lot of blood workup done last week, since my

> > new endo didn't think it was my thryoid either.

> It

> > is amazing how this mimics hypothyroidism......I

> > think the weight and brain fog is the worst.

> >

> > Carol

> >

> > Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> wrote:

> > Carol,

> >

> > The VCO Detol Protocal is from Bruce Fife's book,

> > Coconut Cures. It's basically 5-12 Tablespoons VCO

> > per

> > day, with LOTS of water, (or lemonade), NO

> caffeine,

> > NO NADA else, except for small amounts of FRESH

> > coconut.

> >

> > Three days is a preliminary goal. Seven to ten

> days

> > is

> > preferrable. (In my case, the Candida die-off

> caused

> > me to have extreme nausea, headaches, and upset

> > stomach (cramps and diarhea). I barely made it

> > through

> > 2 seperate three day periods.

> >

> > Jeanne (also a subscriber to this forum) had

> better

> > luck than I did with it. She made it through the

> > entire seven days while continuing to work her

> job.

> >

> > I highly recommend the

> > www. if you suspect

> > Candida is a possible health issue for you. There

> is

> > at least one simple, FREE, self test on the site,

> > along with volumes of files full of valuable

> > information.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > --- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Could you please tell me what VCO Detox Protocal

> > is?

> > > I also thought my synthroid was not working,

> the

> > > dose is now doubled...I still do not feel any

> > > better, and I'm still gaining weight. I also

> > think

> > > I have Candida, and not a thryroid issue.

> > >

> > > Carol

> > >

> > > Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear a with a K,

> > >

> > > Wow, this is an ancient post from the archives!

> > >

> > > Since writing that, I have come to the

> conclusion

> > > that

> > > I my problem really isn't underactive thyroid

> > after

> > > all, it's Candida overgrowth. In fact, I suspect

> > > that

> > > many people who have been diagnosed with

> > > hypothyroidism really have Candidasis instead,

> as

> > > both

> > > conditions share common symptoms.

> > >

> > > At the time of the earlier post, I was expecting

> > the

> > > VCO to boost my thyroid to the point where my

> > weight

> > > was stablized without realizing that it was the

> > > Candida that was causing my slow digestion and

> > > weight

> > > gain. I needed to avoid the dietary contributers

> > to

> > > my

> > > Candida condition; namely fruit (smoothies) and

> > > sugar

> > > sweetened coconut (which I thought was

> > UNsweetened).

> > >

> > > I have learned and applied a great deal of

> useful

> > > information from the

> > > www. site, which

> has

> > > been helpful. (Mainly, I have been reminded that

> > > Candida is a formidable and deadly foe). VCO and

> > > coconut products are a big part of the

> successful

> > > results I have been experiencing.

> > >

> > > Although the VCO Detox Protocal is powerful

> > > medicine,

> > > the Candida die-off side-effects can be intense,

> > and

> > > in my case, too extreme.

> > >

> > > --- Henley

> <heavenlycoconuts@...>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear a,

> > > >

> > > > There are a million other good reasons to

> > continue

> > > > using VCO, even though it hasn't help to

> correct

> > > my

> > > > underactive thyroid.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the advice on dessicated---

> > > > kristinahall2000 <kristinahall@...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sorry the VCO hasn't worked well for

> you.

> > > I'm

> > > > > sure adding the

> > > > > extra calories to my diet hasn't helped, but

> I

> > > was

> > > > > quite disappointed

> > > > > my wieght gain continued unabated. The VCO

> > has

> > > > > helped my thyroid

> > > > > symptoms quite a bit, but I remain

> unconvinced

> > > > that

> > > > > I don't need more

> > > > > help. If I were you, I'd consider other

> types

> > > of

> > > > > thyroid medication

> > > > > first before trying synthroid...I've heard

> > > > negative

> > > > > reviews of that

> > > > > particular type of medication. I am taking

> > > > > dessicated thyroid

> > > > > prescribed by a naturopathic doctor, and

> it's

> > > > helped

> > > > > quite a bit. I

> > > > > do feel discouraged that my thyroid seems to

> > > need

> > > > > more and more

> > > > > medication over the years, which is why I

> > tried

> > > > VCO.

> > > > > Thank you for

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

June 20, 2005

Carol,

Why do you take neem leaf? Here in the Philippines Neem is used as an

insecticide.

Re: VCO detox protocal

Could you let me know how you prepare the vegetables.

What did GSE do for you....heard people talk about using it.

I'm on day 3 of Candigone. I have a headache, didn't sleep well last night,

but still at work...nothing horrible

Carol

ClandiGone formula contains:

CandiGone I:

Uva Ursi

Garkic Bulby

Magnesium Caprylate

Citricidal Extract

Pau D'Arco Root Bark

Calcium Undecylenate

Barberry Root

Neem Leaf

Olive Leaf

Berberine Sulphate

CandiGone II:

Oregno Leaf

Orange Peel

Oregon Grape Root

Pau D'Arco Root Bark

Cinnamon Bark

Clove Bud

Peppermint Leaf

Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

Dear Carol,

I am not familiar with Candigone. Can you tell me what

is in it?

I am more than happy to tell you what I know, and what

has and hasn't worked for me. In addition, I also

suggest that you open correspondence with Bee Wilder,

the moderator of www. /.

Bee Wilder is much more knowledgable than myself, and

she is also reliable at responding to questions.

WHAT I KNOW AND WHAT WORKS:

1) THE CANDIDA DIET: (as recommended by Bee on the

above site) is CRUCIAL. For me, the most difficult

food items I need to avoid are FRUIT, and caffeinne.

As much as I love fruits and sweets, it just isn't

worth it to me to pay the price of consuming them. I

expect that in the months or years ahead, I will be

able to include them back into my diet, but for now,

they are OFF LIMITS.

[i had been following Dr. Mercola's (www.mercola.com/)

dietary recommendations for a couple years, so the

transition to the Candida Diet was relatively minor.

Although, I confess that I still drink a couple cups

of green tea in the morning.]

2) ORGANIC UNPASTEURIZED PROBIOTICS (as in homemade

rejuvelacs, miso, cultured veggies are essential, with

every meal. These can be prepared quite simply at home

without any expensive supplies. If you are interested,

I will send to you my methods for making them along

with Internet information resources (as an

attachment). We use cultured vegetables as a condiment

for nearly everything and love the way they taste

mixed in with sauteed or steamed vegetables, fresh

salads and grains. [ORGANIC as much as possible.}

3) COCONUT OIL, COCONUT OIL, COCONUT OIL. I use it

LIBERALLY and EXCLUSIVELY when I sautee anything and

everything. [i also add Natural Palm Oil as a flavor

enhancer to cooked foods, soup broths, etc.]

4) AMPLE PROTEIN: in the form of grassfed meat

products (www.grasslandbeef.com/),wild catch fish are

good choices. Bee Wilder also recommends eggs, but I

find that they are still difficult for me to digest if

they are cooked. {I didn't have any problem with them

when I was eating them raw, before.]

5) LOTS OF WATER!!!!

MY LIFE AS A LAB RAT:

A) I am currently experimenting with a product called

Capriol which is LIQUID Caprylic Acid (derived from

coconuts) and olive oil. It is supposed to be mixed

with Psyllium powder & water to be effective, but I

have been using Garden of Life Super Seed powder which

seems to be a great substitute. My source for this was

Naturally Empowered

(http://www.naturallyempowered.com/.

NOTE: Bee Wilder recommends Nystatin (an internal

fungicide which is supposedly safe and effective

against Candida). Apparently she had personal success

with after prolonged use (2 and 1/2 years). Being that

I am not a pharma fan, I have not been willing to try

it. Also, Naturally Empowered did a comparative study

on the most widely used Candida treatments, and

Caproil was supposedly more effective than Nystatin.

This I KNOW IS WORKING BECAUSE I CAN ACTUALLY FEEL IT!

[Once in a while, I feel like I have ants biting me on

the inside of my stomach.] Also, I noticed that there

is another company (www.Potentherbs.com/) that sells

LIQUID Caprylic Acid in gell caps.

ANOTHER NOTE: There are also Caprylic Acid tablets,

which I have read are NOT very effective.

GREAT NEWS: www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com is having

a close-out sale on (dated) Coconut Spread. They are

offering it for $1.50/jar. { The regular price is

$5.95.] I have discovered that this makes terrific

smoothies when mixed with water, ice, vanilla and

stevia. {I would love to add pineapple juice to make a

pina colada, but they are delicious with just those

ingredients. The ratios can vary from 1/2 to a one

whole jar of Coconut Spread, 1-2 trays of ice, and 24

oz. of water, depending upon how rich or thick you

want it.

I am now on Day Three of a delicious Coconut Smoothie

Fast (see my recipe above), while supplementing with

Caproil and Super Seed. I have ample energy, and NO

uncomfortable die-off symptoms!

I wasn't really planning on it. It is just that I have

been feeling so well, I thought I'd continue until I

feel the need for something else.

OTHER INTERESTING PRODUCTS I have tried:

THREELAC (a probiotic susperstrain combo that

supposedly feeds on Candida), which has been used

extensively in Japan for a number of years, without

any reported negative side-effects. The company claims

that their product will work regardless of one's diet,

but I personally think that is a RIDICULOUS claim.

There is a company called on the Internet (Sorry I

didn't bookmark it) that offers a LIFETIME, FULL MONEY

BACK GUARANTEE on it, so I have been using it. At this

point, it is difficult to say how effective it is.

C) ALLICIN, which is a RAW Garlic Extract. It's rather

pricey for what you get. IMO. fresh grated raw garlic

and ginger are hard to beat.

D) SYCLOVIR (a Marine Food Grade silica rich micro

organism/diatom that supposedly consumes 1000 times

its weight in Candida.) For me, it caused intestinal

distress and major headaches, so I returned it after

three a three day trial period.

E) GSE, or Grapefruit SEED Extract is POTENT medicine

which deserves a great deal of respect. Years ago it

worked well for me. A few months ago, I tried it again

and it seemed to be working great. Actually, it worked

TOO WELL, and I was really sick with die-off symptoms

for about a week. If I had cut back on the dosages

(one dropperful in an 8oz. glass of water, three times

per day) and drank a lot more water, I probably would

have done better.

F) BRUCE FIFE'S COCONUT OIL DETOX PROTOCAL (from the

book, Coconut Cures) which is basically 5-12

Tablespoons of VCO per day, 8-10 glasses of water or

lemonade sweetened with stevia, small amounts of FRESH

coconut and NOTHING ELSE for three to seven days, or

longer. [i highly recommend the book, which is full of

fascinating and practical information.}

COCONUT OIL is also a POTENT and EFFECTIVE medicine

and has been used successfully in curing just about

EVERY DISEASE IMAGINABLE, including AIDS. As I wrote

earlier, my die-off symptoms were too intense so I

never made it longer than three days on this, after

which, I didn't notice any significant improvement in

my health. Jeanne (another member of this forum) has

done it a few times with more success than I had. She

was able to stay on it for an entire week.

Again, I recommend the @groups

website for any information I haven't covered here.

There, now you know everything that I do about

battling Candidaisis that I know. I hope that was

helpful.

Best of Regards and Best of Health,

--- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> I would appreciate any information you could send

> me. I bought over the weekend,

> Candigone...hopefully that will start the process of

> getting rid of it. I am taking about 5 tbs of

> coconut oil a day

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June 20, 2005

I started losing weight right away when I started eating VCO. It probably

relates to what else you are eating. Have your cravings reduced since you

started VCO? Do you feel more energy?

Nina

RE: Re: VCO detox protocal

I just checked on my calender and have been taking 3 or more T of CO for 12

weeks. Still no weight loss, or loss of inches. Can those of you who have

taken it for awhile and then finally lost, please encourage me? I know I

have asked this before, but it does help to hear from others. Thanks in

advance!

Fern

June 20, 2005

Could you let me know how you prepare the vegetables.

What did GSE do for you....heard people talk about using it.

I'm on day 3 of Candigone. I have a headache, didn't sleep well last night, but

still at work...nothing horrible

Carol

ClandiGone formula contains:

CandiGone I:

Uva Ursi

Garkic Bulby

Magnesium Caprylate

Citricidal Extract

Pau D'Arco Root Bark

Calcium Undecylenate

Barberry Root

Neem Leaf

Olive Leaf

Berberine Sulphate

CandiGone II:

Oregno Leaf

Orange Peel

Oregon Grape Root

Pau D'Arco Root Bark

Cinnamon Bark

Clove Bud

Peppermint Leaf

Henley <heavenlycoconuts@...> wrote:

Dear Carol,

I am not familiar with Candigone. Can you tell me what

is in it?

I am more than happy to tell you what I know, and what

has and hasn't worked for me. In addition, I also

suggest that you open correspondence with Bee Wilder,

the moderator of www. /.

Bee Wilder is much more knowledgable than myself, and

she is also reliable at responding to questions.

WHAT I KNOW AND WHAT WORKS:

1) THE CANDIDA DIET: (as recommended by Bee on the

above site) is CRUCIAL. For me, the most difficult

food items I need to avoid are FRUIT, and caffeinne.

As much as I love fruits and sweets, it just isn't

worth it to me to pay the price of consuming them. I

expect that in the months or years ahead, I will be

able to include them back into my diet, but for now,

they are OFF LIMITS.

[i had been following Dr. Mercola's (www.mercola.com/)

dietary recommendations for a couple years, so the

transition to the Candida Diet was relatively minor.

Although, I confess that I still drink a couple cups

of green tea in the morning.]

2) ORGANIC UNPASTEURIZED PROBIOTICS (as in homemade

rejuvelacs, miso, cultured veggies are essential, with

every meal. These can be prepared quite simply at home

without any expensive supplies. If you are interested,

I will send to you my methods for making them along

with Internet information resources (as an

attachment). We use cultured vegetables as a condiment

for nearly everything and love the way they taste

mixed in with sauteed or steamed vegetables, fresh

salads and grains. [ORGANIC as much as possible.}

3) COCONUT OIL, COCONUT OIL, COCONUT OIL. I use it

LIBERALLY and EXCLUSIVELY when I sautee anything and

everything. [i also add Natural Palm Oil as a flavor

enhancer to cooked foods, soup broths, etc.]

4) AMPLE PROTEIN: in the form of grassfed meat

products (www.grasslandbeef.com/),wild catch fish are

good choices. Bee Wilder also recommends eggs, but I

find that they are still difficult for me to digest if

they are cooked. {I didn't have any problem with them

when I was eating them raw, before.]

5) LOTS OF WATER!!!!

MY LIFE AS A LAB RAT:

A) I am currently experimenting with a product called

Capriol which is LIQUID Caprylic Acid (derived from

coconuts) and olive oil. It is supposed to be mixed

with Psyllium powder & water to be effective, but I

have been using Garden of Life Super Seed powder which

seems to be a great substitute. My source for this was

Naturally Empowered

(http://www.naturallyempowered.com/.

NOTE: Bee Wilder recommends Nystatin (an internal

fungicide which is supposedly safe and effective

against Candida). Apparently she had personal success

with after prolonged use (2 and 1/2 years). Being that

I am not a pharma fan, I have not been willing to try

it. Also, Naturally Empowered did a comparative study

on the most widely used Candida treatments, and

Caproil was supposedly more effective than Nystatin.

This I KNOW IS WORKING BECAUSE I CAN ACTUALLY FEEL IT!

[Once in a while, I feel like I have ants biting me on

the inside of my stomach.] Also, I noticed that there

is another company (www.Potentherbs.com/) that sells

LIQUID Caprylic Acid in gell caps.

ANOTHER NOTE: There are also Caprylic Acid tablets,

which I have read are NOT very effective.

GREAT NEWS: www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com is having

a close-out sale on (dated) Coconut Spread. They are

offering it for $1.50/jar. { The regular price is

$5.95.] I have discovered that this makes terrific

smoothies when mixed with water, ice, vanilla and

stevia. {I would love to add pineapple juice to make a

pina colada, but they are delicious with just those

ingredients. The ratios can vary from 1/2 to a one

whole jar of Coconut Spread, 1-2 trays of ice, and 24

oz. of water, depending upon how rich or thick you

want it.

I am now on Day Three of a delicious Coconut Smoothie

Fast (see my recipe above), while supplementing with

Caproil and Super Seed. I have ample energy, and NO

uncomfortable die-off symptoms!

I wasn't really planning on it. It is just that I have

been feeling so well, I thought I'd continue until I

feel the need for something else.

OTHER INTERESTING PRODUCTS I have tried:

THREELAC (a probiotic susperstrain combo that

supposedly feeds on Candida), which has been used

extensively in Japan for a number of years, without

any reported negative side-effects. The company claims

that their product will work regardless of one's diet,

but I personally think that is a RIDICULOUS claim.

There is a company called on the Internet (Sorry I

didn't bookmark it) that offers a LIFETIME, FULL MONEY

BACK GUARANTEE on it, so I have been using it. At this

point, it is difficult to say how effective it is.

C) ALLICIN, which is a RAW Garlic Extract. It's rather

pricey for what you get. IMO. fresh grated raw garlic

and ginger are hard to beat.

D) SYCLOVIR (a Marine Food Grade silica rich micro

organism/diatom that supposedly consumes 1000 times

its weight in Candida.) For me, it caused intestinal

distress and major headaches, so I returned it after

three a three day trial period.

E) GSE, or Grapefruit SEED Extract is POTENT medicine

which deserves a great deal of respect. Years ago it

worked well for me. A few months ago, I tried it again

and it seemed to be working great. Actually, it worked

TOO WELL, and I was really sick with die-off symptoms

for about a week. If I had cut back on the dosages

(one dropperful in an 8oz. glass of water, three times

per day) and drank a lot more water, I probably would

have done better.

F) BRUCE FIFE'S COCONUT OIL DETOX PROTOCAL (from the

book, Coconut Cures) which is basically 5-12

Tablespoons of VCO per day, 8-10 glasses of water or

lemonade sweetened with stevia, small amounts of FRESH

coconut and NOTHING ELSE for three to seven days, or

longer. [i highly recommend the book, which is full of

fascinating and practical information.}

COCONUT OIL is also a POTENT and EFFECTIVE medicine

and has been used successfully in curing just about

EVERY DISEASE IMAGINABLE, including AIDS. As I wrote

earlier, my die-off symptoms were too intense so I

never made it longer than three days on this, after

which, I didn't notice any significant improvement in

my health. Jeanne (another member of this forum) has

done it a few times with more success than I had. She

was able to stay on it for an entire week.

Again, I recommend the @groups

website for any information I haven't covered here.

There, now you know everything that I do about

battling Candidaisis that I know. I hope that was

helpful.

Best of Regards and Best of Health,

--- Carol <bsl0619@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> I would appreciate any information you could send

> me. I bought over the weekend,

> Candigone...hopefully that will start the process of

> getting rid of it. I am taking about 5 tbs of

> coconut oil a day

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What else are you eating?

Alobar

RE: Re: VCO detox protocal

>I just checked on my calender and have been taking 3 or more T of CO for 12

> weeks. Still no weight loss, or loss of inches. Can those of you who

> have

> taken it for awhile and then finally lost, please encourage me? I know I

> have asked this before, but it does help to hear from others. Thanks in

> advance!

> Fern

June 20, 2005

, I knew that you were sick but I never knew how sick, until this

note. God bless that you are still with us!

Nina

VCO detox protocal

Carol,

About 13 years ago, I had a severe case of Candidaisis

that nearly killed me. After being bed-ridden for

three weeks, I was taken to a natureopathic doctor who

prescibed SUPER MEGA doses ( I don't remember the

amounts, except that they were EXTREMELY high) of Vit.

A,C. & E and multivitamins, along with GSE.

During that time of illness, I probably wouldn't have

noticed any additional die-off symptoms on top of

evrything I was experiencing because I was literally

nearly dead. [My friend who was caring for me at the

time happened to be an emergency room RN. She was

convinced that I was going to die, and told me later,

that I even 'smelled like death'.]

Within a day's time, following the nathureopath's

advice, I finally began to recover.

Recently, when I tried GSE, I experienced die-off

symptoms of nausea, diarhea, and a MAJOR headache. My

tongue coating was thick, and my breath smelled

horrible.

I will be glad to send you that information off-line.

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Cravings very reduced, as appetite. Eating lowcarb. I have a very hard

time losing weight due to meds, thyroid issues, etc. Met with my doctor

today and we plan to make some changes in meds, she said to continue with

the CO.

RE: Re: VCO detox protocal

I just checked on my calender and have been taking 3 or more T of CO for

12

weeks. Still no weight loss, or loss of inches. Can those of you who

have

taken it for awhile and then finally lost, please encourage me? I know I

have asked this before, but it does help to hear from others. Thanks in

advance!

Fern

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June 20, 2005

I will post a couple of day's diet.

egg/bacon for brunch

baked turkey breast mid afternoon

filet mignon, steamed asparagus, homemade LC cheesecake dinner

6 cups green tea

plenty of water.

6 T VCO

1 glass white wine with dinner

2 gin/diet tonics mid afternoon.

Today

Turkey breast b/fast

Turkey breast lunch

Pork loin, green beans, the same cheesecake dinner

6 cups green tea

plenty of water.

3 T VCO

Most days consist of only meat/eggs during the day, then I have meat and a

low carb veggie at night. Now, this is most of the time, I do fall off the

wagon and have always had a problem with binge eating sweets. But, the CO

has helped that tremendously. I do consume some alcohol with diet soda's

and some wine.

Fern

Re: Re: VCO detox protocal

What else are you eating?

Alobar

RE: Re: VCO detox protocal

>I just checked on my calender and have been taking 3 or more T of CO for

12

> weeks. Still no weight loss, or loss of inches. Can those of you who

> have

> taken it for awhile and then finally lost, please encourage me? I know

I

> have asked this before, but it does help to hear from others. Thanks in

> advance!

> Fern

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June 20, 2005

Most diet pop is made with aspartame or other sweeteners which just keep your

sweet cravings alive and are very detrimental to your health. Alcohol is just a

lot of empty calories with no nutrition. Where are your raw food enzymes coming

from? We stop manufacturing them ourselves after age 27 and every function of

the body needs them. If you have no raw food enzymes you aren't getting the

nutrition from your food and your body thinks it is starving so it hangs on to

the weight to prevent that. I can not stress this enough THINK SYSTEMIC ENZYMES.

A company called Enzymedica does nothing but enzymes. They have a short test

that tells you which ones you are deficient in. Seriously, on what you are

eating, even if you do manage to lose weight you will never be able to keep up

that diet and the weight will just come back probably with a venegence. Check

out a book call the Metabolic Diet. It also has a test to tell you which

metabolic type you are and how to gear your food intake to that.

Fern Francis <ffran@...> wrote:I will post a couple of day's diet.

egg/bacon for brunch

baked turkey breast mid afternoon

filet mignon, steamed asparagus, homemade LC cheesecake dinner

6 cups green tea

plenty of water.

6 T VCO

1 glass white wine with dinner

2 gin/diet tonics mid afternoon.

Today

Turkey breast b/fast

Turkey breast lunch

Pork loin, green beans, the same cheesecake dinner

6 cups green tea

plenty of water.

3 T VCO

Most days consist of only meat/eggs during the day, then I have meat and a

low carb veggie at night. Now, this is most of the time, I do fall off the

wagon and have always had a problem with binge eating sweets. But, the CO

has helped that tremendously. I do consume some alcohol with diet soda's

and some wine.

Fern

Re: Re: VCO detox protocal

What else are you eating?

Alobar

RE: Re: VCO detox protocal

>I just checked on my calender and have been taking 3 or more T of CO for

12

> weeks. Still no weight loss, or loss of inches. Can those of you who

> have

> taken it for awhile and then finally lost, please encourage me? I know

I

> have asked this before, but it does help to hear from others. Thanks in

> advance!

> Fern

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June 21, 2005

Fern,

I don't see your 5-9 servings of vegetables per day! I see two. I see

almost no fiber. The asparagus and the green beans together have a fraction

of the fiber you need per day. See Bruce Fife's book, Coconut Cures. He

has a long section on fiber. If you look in the back of his book, you will

see that he recommends 5-9 servings of fruits and vegetables per day, plus

grains and beans, for almost every condition where he mentions diet.

Fiber sweeps away waste, cleanses the internal digestive organs, and keeps

the bowel movements large, light and healthy.

I also see very little antioxidants, you seem to be relying on huge amounts

of green tea for your antioxidants.

For the impact of all of this animal protein on your system, please check

out T. Colin 's book, The China Study.

From a yin/yang point of view, your alcohol, diet soda, wine and sweets

binging look like your attempts to balance the tight, " yang " effect of all

of the animal flesh, to open up and loosen you up. You berate yourself for

binging, but you would probably go mad without these things. You're not

eating a lot in the center - it's mostly one end or the other. The VCO

seems to be one of the only " in the center " foods I see on your list.

Hope this helps, and good luck.

Nina

Re: Re: VCO detox protocal

What else are you eating?

Alobar

RE: Re: VCO detox protocal

>I just checked on my calender and have been taking 3 or more T of CO for

12

> weeks. Still no weight loss, or loss of inches. Can those of you who

> have

> taken it for awhile and then finally lost, please encourage me? I know

I

> have asked this before, but it does help to hear from others. Thanks in

> advance!

> Fern

June 21, 2005

Dear Fern,

and Nina have raised some excellent points

regarding dietary choices, and made good suggestions

for additional information.

I'd also like to suggest Dr. Mercola's site

www.mercola.com. He has excellent dietary

recommendations, as well of an abundance of articles

addressing the serious health risks associated with

Aspartame.

Thanks for mentioning that about Aspartame.

--- claudia diltz <oxyqueen1187@...> wrote:

> Most diet pop is made with aspartame or other

> sweeteners which just keep your sweet cravings alive

> and are very detrimental to your health. Alcohol is

> just a lot of empty calories with no nutrition.

> Where are your raw food enzymes coming from? We stop

> manufacturing them ourselves after age 27 and every

> function of the body needs them. If you have no raw

> food enzymes you aren't getting the nutrition from

> your food and your body thinks it is starving so it

> hangs on to the weight to prevent that. I can not

> stress this enough THINK SYSTEMIC ENZYMES. A company

> called Enzymedica does nothing but enzymes. They

> have a short test that tells you which ones you are

> deficient in. Seriously, on what you are eating,

> even if you do manage to lose weight you will never

> be able to keep up that diet and the weight will

> just come back probably with a venegence. Check out

> a book call the Metabolic Diet. It also has a test

> to tell you which metabolic type you are and how to

> gear your food intake to that.

>

> Fern Francis <ffran@...> wrote:I will post a

> couple of day's diet.

>

> egg/bacon for brunch

> baked turkey breast mid afternoon

> filet mignon, steamed asparagus, homemade LC

> cheesecake dinner

> 6 cups green tea

> plenty of water.

> 6 T VCO

> 1 glass white wine with dinner

> 2 gin/diet tonics mid afternoon.

>

> Today

> Turkey breast b/fast

> Turkey breast lunch

> Pork loin, green beans, the same cheesecake dinner

> 6 cups green tea

> plenty of water.

> 3 T VCO

>

> Most days consist of only meat/eggs during the day,

> then I have meat and a

> low carb veggie at night. Now, this is most of the

> time, I do fall off the

> wagon and have always had a problem with binge

> eating sweets. But, the CO

> has helped that tremendously. I do consume some

> alcohol with diet soda's

> and some wine.

>

> Fern

>

> Re: Re: VCO

> detox protocal

>

> What else are you eating?

>

> Alobar

>

> RE: Re: VCO

> detox protocal

>

> >I just checked on my calender and have been

> taking 3 or more T of CO for

> 12

> > weeks. Still no weight loss, or loss of inches.

> Can those of you who

> > have

> > taken it for awhile and then finally lost,

> please encourage me? I know

> I

> > have asked this before, but it does help to hear

> from others. Thanks in

> > advance!

> > Fern

>

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> --

>

June 21, 2005

Nina,

Thanks for helping. I am fairly new to trying to heal myself, instead of

the old " trying to lose weight " mindset. I had been trying to do a very low

carb diet so thus the protein and lack of veggies. But, from what I am

reading and learning, that is not only an unhealthy way, but not a

sustainable way of eating. So, will add back in the veggies I do love to

increase the fiber and antioxidants. I have been taking fiber and

antioxidant supplements, but I know the real thing is best. Our social life

have revolved around a club where everyone drinks, but I know and do realize

that is something I am going to have to pretty much give up to heal my body.

Never thought about being attracted to the wine/liquor b/c of sweet cravings

but that makes sense as I like the liquor in diet drinks.

I am learning so very much on this forum, I truly appreciate your taking the

time to help me out.

Fern :-)

RE: Re: VCO detox protocal

Fern,

I don't see your 5-9 servings of vegetables per day! I see two. I see

almost no fiber. The asparagus and the green beans together have a

fraction

of the fiber you need per day. See Bruce Fife's book, Coconut Cures. He

has a long section on fiber. If you look in the back of his book, you

will

see that he recommends 5-9 servings of fruits and vegetables per day, plus

grains and beans, for almost every condition where he mentions diet.

Fiber sweeps away waste, cleanses the internal digestive organs, and keeps

the bowel movements large, light and healthy.

I also see very little antioxidants, you seem to be relying on huge

amounts

of green tea for your antioxidants.

For the impact of all of this animal protein on your system, please check

out T. Colin 's book, The China Study.

From a yin/yang point of view, your alcohol, diet soda, wine and sweets

binging look like your attempts to balance the tight, " yang " effect of all

of the animal flesh, to open up and loosen you up. You berate yourself

for

binging, but you would probably go mad without these things. You're not

eating a lot in the center - it's mostly one end or the other. The VCO

seems to be one of the only " in the center " foods I see on your list.

Hope this helps, and good luck.

Nina

June 21, 2005

, thanks to you as well for your help. I will also visit Mercola's

site and read about his dietary recommendations. I also met with my doctor

yesterday to discuss getting off some of the prescription meds that we feel

are hindering my weight loss. She is an MD but also treats with

supplements, so we are reducing the cortisol I am on for adrenel fatigue,

adding a supplement for support. Weaning me off lexapro, but slowly adding

in 5HPT, or it is something like that. Anyway, I had first gone to this

doctor 3 years ago in a health crisis, after going to regular MD's for

several years and being put on more and more prescription drugs. She had

helped me so much, but as we talked yesterday, now we are to the point where

I have healed some, but we have to fine-tune things to help lose weight and

to get me off most of the RX's that the other doctors put me on.

Thanks,

Fern :-)

Re: Re: VCO

> detox protocal

>

> What else are you eating?

>

> Alobar

>

> RE: Re: VCO

> detox protocal

>

> >I just checked on my calender and have been

> taking 3 or more T of CO for

> 12

> > weeks. Still no weight loss, or loss of inches.

> Can those of you who

> > have

> > taken it for awhile and then finally lost,

> please encourage me? I know

> I

> > have asked this before, but it does help to hear

> from others. Thanks in

> > advance!

> > Fern

>

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> --

>

June 21, 2005

Fern,

An amylase deficiency will cause not only sugar cravings because carbs don't get

digested but allergies as well. Lipase deficiency will cause fats not to be

digested. Enzymedica has a CD that they send to the health food stores which I

believe is free and it is excellent. Vitalzyme also has a great CD about enzymes

although we aren't nearly as impressed with the product, the information is

excellent.

Fern Francis <ffran@...> wrote: