Re: c.o. for dermatitis?

[Guest guest]

I have been using vco for two months now both internally and externally. I still

have eczema. I read some good reviews about CO helping sebhorreic and atopic

derm. well I'm not one of the lucky ones so far...

susan <thenaturalkitchen@...> wrote: hi all

a family member has a case of dermatitis and i feel that c.o. could be

very useful for treating and helping heal it eventually.

does anyone have info about using c.o. to treat dermatitis? internally

or externally? (specifically sebhorreic dermatitis of the face/scalp)

if its been discussed previously and i missed it, my apologies, i have

been offline for a long time and am recently back on.

if there is info in the files, please direct me to it and i will read

up.

thanks! - susan

[Guest guest]

Dear Edina,

May I know the kind of VCO you are using? The efficacy of the VCO for skin

ailments really depends on the kind of VCO that you take.

Tess

Edina Balogh <edinab@...> wrote:

I have been using vco for two months now both internally and externally. I

still have eczema. I read some good reviews about CO helping sebhorreic and

atopic derm. well I'm not one of the lucky ones so far...

susan <thenaturalkitchen@...> wrote: hi all

a family member has a case of dermatitis and i feel that c.o. could be

very useful for treating and helping heal it eventually.

does anyone have info about using c.o. to treat dermatitis? internally

or externally? (specifically sebhorreic dermatitis of the face/scalp)

if its been discussed previously and i missed it, my apologies, i have

been offline for a long time and am recently back on.

if there is info in the files, please direct me to it and i will read

up.

thanks! - susan

[Guest guest]

hello edina and tess

thanks for your responses. edina i hope you will have success soon!

aside from the kind of VCO used, what do you find about the overall

diet as well for skin ailments? ie. eating refined sugar & starchy

foods, high carb vs. low carb, or vegetarian vs. meat, or foods made

with unsaturated vege oils vs. eating primarily saturated fats...

any experiences with this affecting a skin condition? or any other

leads i might follow to help my loved one find relief?

thanks again ~ susan

> Dear Edina,

>

> May I know the kind of VCO you are using? The efficacy of the

VCO for skin ailments really depends on the kind of VCO that you take.

>

> Tess

[Guest guest]

Tess,

First I tried Tropical Traditions VCO nad then switched to Nutiva Extra Virgin

CO. They are tasty but have done nothing for my eczema (taken

internally & externally).

tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> wrote:

Dear Edina,

May I know the kind of VCO you are using? The efficacy of the VCO for skin

ailments really depends on the kind of VCO that you take.

Tess

Edina Balogh <edinab@...> wrote:

I have been using vco for two months now both internally and externally. I

still have eczema. I read some good reviews about CO helping sebhorreic and

atopic derm. well I'm not one of the lucky ones so far...

susan <thenaturalkitchen@...> wrote: hi all

a family member has a case of dermatitis and i feel that c.o. could be

very useful for treating and helping heal it eventually.

does anyone have info about using c.o. to treat dermatitis? internally

or externally? (specifically sebhorreic dermatitis of the face/scalp)

if its been discussed previously and i missed it, my apologies, i have

been offline for a long time and am recently back on.

if there is info in the files, please direct me to it and i will read

up.

thanks! - susan

[Guest guest]

thanks duncan, i'll look into the EFA's

tess, what is the difference between why some VCO's work for

dermatitis and others don't? we are living currently in a small town

in belgium, and on a very tight student budget, so our resources are

not what we were used to in the u.s.

in the u.s. i used nutiva VCO and really liked it (its waiting for me

in our storage unit along with the rest of my kitchen supplies!)

here i haven't seen any VCO, only organic c.o. in glass bottles, and

a delicious product called organic coconut cream, which i practically

eat like candy, its 100% organic coconuts, but i know its probably

heated and who knows how treated...

thanks!

~susan

> I'd suspect a deficiency of omega-3's EPA and DHA, possibly GLA.

> Coconut oil doesn't provide these essential fatty acids.

>

> Ayone who wants to know about EFAs in biology and inflammation

> including skin disorders should read Inflammation Nation by Dr.

> Floyd Chilton.

>

> Duncan Crow

> http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/

>

[Guest guest]

Tropical Traditions markets three kinds of coconut oil. The traditional

(heated) method; the centrifuge and the expeller process. All of these are

considered as with heat. If you have access to the cold processed VCO, please

try it. We are not at all familiar with the Nutiva oil. There is a local brand

here in the Philippines Nutriva, and they are also cold processed. I dont think

this is the same as the Nutiva you mentioned.

Tess

Edina Balogh <edinab@...> wrote:

Tess,

First I tried Tropical Traditions VCO nad then switched to Nutiva Extra Virgin

CO. They are tasty but have done nothing for my eczema (taken

internally & externally).

tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> wrote:

Dear Edina,

May I know the kind of VCO you are using? The efficacy of the VCO for skin

ailments really depends on the kind of VCO that you take.

Tess

Edina Balogh <edinab@...> wrote:

I have been using vco for two months now both internally and externally. I

still have eczema. I read some good reviews about CO helping sebhorreic and

atopic derm. well I'm not one of the lucky ones so far...

susan <thenaturalkitchen@...> wrote: hi all

a family member has a case of dermatitis and i feel that c.o. could be

very useful for treating and helping heal it eventually.

does anyone have info about using c.o. to treat dermatitis? internally

or externally? (specifically sebhorreic dermatitis of the face/scalp)

if its been discussed previously and i missed it, my apologies, i have

been offline for a long time and am recently back on.

if there is info in the files, please direct me to it and i will read

up.

thanks! - susan

[Guest guest]

thanks tess, for your time and efforts! ~ susan

> because they are processed differently. The less processing it

undergoes, the healthier it is, and the more effective it becomes.

>

> I know someone who lives in Belgium and has a brother here in the

Philippines doing cold process VCO. I do not know if they are selling

there already. Let me check please and I will get back to you.

>

> Tess

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

does Dr Chilton have experiences in treating Lichen Sclerosus? Is

there any information about in the book you mentioned? Or a website?

I' ve been reading the groups about LS but did not really find

alternative treatments. I try treating the itching with VCO, hoping it

will help....

yaradhi

>

> > May I know the kind of VCO you are using? The efficacy of the VCO

> > for skin ailments really depends on the kind of VCO that you take.

> >

> > Tess

>

> I'd suspect a deficiency of omega-3's EPA and DHA, possibly GLA.

> Coconut oil doesn't provide these essential fatty acids.

>

> Ayone who wants to know about EFAs in biology and inflammation

> including skin disorders should read Inflammation Nation by Dr.

> Floyd Chilton.

>

> Duncan Crow

> http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

maybe you can get VCO in Germany? Don't know where in Belgium you are.

Maybe you'll find it online, as far as I know, there are two brands,

one ist Natural Secrets from Switzerland, another distributor is

Ölmühle Solling.

http://www.oelmuehle-solling.de/sortiment/idx_sortiment.html

http://www.coco-nuts.org/kokosfett-bestellung.htm

@ Tess

I'd be interested in getting it directly from the Philippines, too.

yaradhi

-- In Coconut Oil , " susan "

<thenaturalkitchen@...> wrote:

>

> thanks tess, for your time and efforts! ~ susan

>

> > because they are processed differently. The less processing it

> undergoes, the healthier it is, and the more effective it becomes.

> >

> > I know someone who lives in Belgium and has a brother here in the

> Philippines doing cold process VCO. I do not know if they are selling

> there already. Let me check please and I will get back to you.

> >

> > Tess

>

[Guest guest]

EFA's are important, but should be taken in their natural form

(actual food)....because they become rancid quickly and thus cause

inflammation (including inside blood vessels) themselves. The

possible exception is GLA. Here's some info if interested:

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/statin.html

bsavers2

>

> > May I know the kind of VCO you are using? The efficacy of the

VCO

> > for skin ailments really depends on the kind of VCO that you

take.

> >

> > Tess

>

> I'd suspect a deficiency of omega-3's EPA and DHA, possibly GLA.

> Coconut oil doesn't provide these essential fatty acids.

>

> Ayone who wants to know about EFAs in biology and inflammation

> including skin disorders should read Inflammation Nation by Dr.

> Floyd Chilton.

>

> Duncan Crow

> http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/

>

[Guest guest]

thanks bsavers2!

yep, i try to provide those nutrients via food rather than

supplements. i soaked some walnuts last night & dried them this

morning so this afternoon they are offered as a snack while i

continue my EFA studies.

we would sure be happy to see all that redness & flaking disappear,

wouldn't it be great if EFA's are the missing link!

i still feel like coconut oil would help somehow. maybe beacuse of

its antifungal properties (i think thats right).

anyone else have luck treating skin conditions (specifically

sebhorreic dermatitis) with c.o. or other dietary measures??

thanks as always ~ susan

> EFA's are important, but should be taken in their natural form

> (actual food)....because they become rancid quickly and thus cause

> inflammation (including inside blood vessels) themselves. The

> possible exception is GLA. Here's some info if interested:

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/statin.html

>

> bsavers2

[Guest guest]

Too much polyunsaturated fats inflame the inside of arteries

(probably because it easily produces free radicals). In addition,

tests have shown that 75% of plaque is polyunsaturated fat. I

suppose you could somehow squeeze the oil safely out of a fish and

put it into a capsule but it doesn't sound as appetizing as the real

thing. Also, I know from personal experience that flax oil can

cause arrythmias. If flax oil get heated it becomes toxic.

Saturated fat via coconut oil may be slower but it's probably safer

as it rebuilds the cells.

Sometimes just taking something away (like milk) can make many

symptoms of diseases like crohns, arthritis, eczema, etc go away too.

bsavers2

> > EFA's are important, but should be taken in their natural form

> > (actual food)....because they become rancid quickly and thus

cause

> > inflammation (including inside blood vessels) themselves. The

> > possible exception is GLA. Here's some info if interested:

>

> I have to disagree with the assertion that you should use natural

> form essential oils to escape rancidity.

>

> Modern purification processes can remove traces of debris,

> oxidation, pesticides and heavy metals, then the results capped

> without oxygen being present.

>

> In any case, oxidation is commonly curtailed by using gelcaps,

> and also by adding oil-soluble antioxidants such as vitamin E if

> you must use bottled oils. Where possible, buy 'fast turnover'

> products that may be fresher anyway.

>

> That being said, I use fast turnover, fairly unrefined gelcapped

> wild Pacific salmon oil, which consumerlab found to be extremely

> low in pollutants anyway, and sometimes fast turnover gelcapped

> cod-liver oil.

>

> After reading Dr. Chilton's book Inflammation Nation among

> others, enough to do several essays about this subject, I know

> the work.

>

> The proof is in the results; eczema, Crohn's disease and athritis

> symptoms can go away fairly quickly by using them.

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

duncan~

thanks for all the detailed information, and your summaries from the

Chilton book.

i do agree about grass-fed animals. not that i'm a scientist or have

done my own studies, but i've read a bunch about it, and i try to buy

it whenever i have access. it just makes sense. its what pasture

animals are supposed to eat.

i'm thankful to have found a source for organic, raw, grass-fed

butter here in belgium. (well, the cows graze in pastures when the

seasons permit, i understand that in the winter they are sometimes

fed some grains along with grass when its too cold to graze in the

frozen fields - but its better than the other stuff!)

duncan and b_savers ~ i appreciate the conversation, lots of good

things to consider.

~ susan

> > Saturated fat via coconut oil may be slower but it's probably

safer as

> > it rebuilds the cells.

>

> Rebuilding cell membranes won't happen with coconut oil. Cell

> membranes and other structures require polyunsaturated essential

> fatty acids; coconut oil provides neither the EPA nor the DHA

> that are used in cell membranes

>

> > Sometimes just taking something away (like milk) can make many

> > symptoms of diseases like crohns, arthritis, eczema, etc go away

too.

> >

> > bsavers2

>

> When cattle are fed soy, canola or corn oils and etc, the omega-6

> pro-inflammatory oil content is higher in their milk and meat;

> this maintains one's EFA imbalance when they eat the meat and

> drink the milk, so sure, removing the offending milk in this case

> reduces your omega-6 exposure.

>

> On the other hand, grass-fed cows produce milk and meat that has

> more omega-3 oil, and this tends to restore EFA balance and

> reduce inflammation. If this is the kind of milk the client was

> using and they still have inflammation, they are getting their

> excess omega-6 inflammation from another source.

>

> That was a summary; Dr. Chilton's book Inflammation Nation

> details these processes and assigns a numeric inflammation index

> to a lot of common foods so people can determine and control

> their personal inflammation index. Chilton mentions Crohn's

> disease and skin disorders many times in his book.

>

> Duncan

> http://members.sahw.ca/duncancrow/

>