Re: Coconut benefits

[Guest guest]

I tend to agree. Until your taste buds adjust (which really only takes a

couple of weeks for most people), you're probably not going to enjoy the

taste of many healthy foods. But as your body heals you'll come to love

them. And anyway, what on earth tastes as good as being truly healthy?

-

On 9/21/06, HippeeSandee <hippeesandee@...> wrote:

>

> Coconut oil is a healthy addition to your diet... You use it in

> moderation just like any other heathy addition.... It is not a miracle drug,

> it won't take care of all your ailments.. You don't like the taste you have

> a better taste (bud) then don't take it.... Don't expect to start taking it

> in volumes and expect miracles Good health doesn't work that way, you have

> to change your whole diet... And not some miracle product....

>

> Remember this is not PHARMA

>

> When I hear people whining, I don't Like the taste, I like butter

> better.... Then don't take it, you are not ready to get healthy....

>

> It makes me gag, then for gods sake don't take it....

>

> When I started on the quest to get healthy, I did not whine about the

> taste, I kind of expected healthey would not feed my sweet, or salt tooth, I

> expected bland taste to get me over the hump,, of course bland is not

> preferable, but it works...

>

> I am just tired of the whining, I Don't like the taste, hey get over it,

> the road to health doesh't always taste good.... It just makes you

> healthy....

>

> Sand

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your rudeness. I greatly appreciate it. As for

eating healthy i follow the NT eating and i am sure i eat more

healthy than you do. I never said i did not. Never said i needed

to get healthier either. So as to your smart a** comment that i am

not ready to get healthy you have no clue what your taking about.

I am in over all great health. Have nothing that i know of other

than about 20 lbs i need to lose from having a baby. I am an avid

whole food, organic, fresh fruit and veggie kind of person. In fact

if we are invited to someones house for dinner they usually clear

the menu with me because only rarely will i eat something that comes

from a can or a box or eat out at a restaurant. My trainer at the

gym who has a degree in nutrition and exercise physiology says she

always learns something new from and get's excited about our next

conversation. She gets an education from one of her customers

instead of trying to educate them about the dangers of the typical

american diet. I grind my own flour and make my own bread and if i

had the ability to have a cow in my backyard i would be pumping my

own milk and churning my own darn butter! Grow veggies, make our

own Kefir etc........Spent all of my adult life eating better than

the average american and trying to take a step further everyday from

the last step towards better nutrition. No i have not reached

absolute top but i sure the hell don't live off of processed foods

and Mcs while trying to add a bit of coconut oil to it to make

it all healthy. Sorry but i get tired of " know-it-all " personas on

the forums (any for that matter) who think they can talk crappy to

other posters just because they are having a bad day or don't have

the guts to address the issue in their own lives and decide to dump

on a the nearest unsuspecting poster.

So get off your soap box and i will get off of mine. Want to inform

us of your health and why your taking CO? I am doing it cause that

is my style always looking for a way to add more health and healing

to my life and my families life. I have been using this for a

couple of yrs now regardless of the taste. Nobody said i needed a

miracle or was expecting one. Nobody forced you to read my post or

reply. Next time ignore mine as i do not insult you or your posts

and i do not expect it to be done to me.

If you can't answer the question which was how does the 2 compare

then politely take a hike. I do not need advice on hot become

healthier from some one who is 1 rude, 2 probably does not even

compare to what i already know and how i already live my life.

Regards,

>

> Coconut oil is a healthy addition to your diet... You use it

in moderation just like any other heathy addition.... It is not

a miracle drug, it won't take care of all your ailments.. You

don't like the taste you have a better taste (bud) then don't take

it.... Don't expect to start taking it in volumes and expect

miracles Good health doesn't work that way, you have to change

your whole diet... And not some miracle product....

>

> Remember this is not PHARMA

>

> When I hear people whining, I don't Like the taste, I like

butter better.... Then don't take it, you are not ready to get

healthy....

>

> It makes me gag, then for gods sake don't take it....

>

> When I started on the quest to get healthy, I did not whine

about the taste, I kind of expected healthey would not feed my

sweet, or salt tooth, I expected bland taste to get me over the

hump,, of course bland is not preferable, but it works...

>

> I am just tired of the whining, I Don't like the taste, hey get

over it, the road to health doesh't always taste good.... It

just makes you healthy....

>

> Sand

[Guest guest]

Thanks . Still does not answer my question though . I have

been doing the VCO thing for 2 yrs now. I like it less and less

everytime i use it. I was hoping to get info on the Concentrate cause

if it is just as good then i couple save money buy only buying it

instead of all 3 products. I keep taking VCO incase the cream does

not have as good of health benefits.

I know what you mean about tastes. Have you tried downing

Kefir.... my latest add to our eating. Well i have been using it

for about a yr but just started making it myself about 2 months ago.

It tasted much better from the store but i assume less healthy than

fresh made Kefir which is why i culture it myself. I feel like i am

adjsuting to it for the first time cause it tastes so different than

the store bought stuff i was used to.

I can't even eat store made yogurt anymore with out adding Kefir to

it. It is entirely too sweet and gross for me. To think i never had

a problem eating it before. I would buy the German kind before

learning of the Kefir and adding it. Organic German yogurt is so much

less sweeter than the American stuff. Now even it is too sweet with

out mixing in the Kefir. So yes tastes do change but not all things

wind up tasting better. VCO is one it keeps tasting worse to me. Not

the only change either that i have made that has never tasted good or

as good. I grew up on Wonder White. And a grilled cheese sandwich

just does not taste as good on fresh ground wheat like majority of

other bread makers think Oh and butter is the next best oil/fat.

So i have no problem with liking it over VCO. I would if it was

actually bad for us. But it is not so i enjoy my butter.

Regards!

>

> I tend to agree. Until your taste buds adjust (which really only

takes a

> couple of weeks for most people), you're probably not going to enjoy

the

> taste of many healthy foods. But as your body heals you'll come to

love

> them. And anyway, what on earth tastes as good as being truly

healthy?

>

> -

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, I'm not sure about the differences between the concentrate and

the oil; I've wondered that myself before. Let me know what you find in

your research, and I'll try to do some digging, too.

I should have mentioned, too, that I sort of know where you're coming from

about the VCO and its taste. For me, actually, it's more the smell. I

think it tastes and smells fine when it's fresh (did you say you use

Tropical Traditions? That's what I use), but when warmed, mainly in contact

with skin, it smells faintly like vomit to me. It may just be a personal

thing - once when my baby ds had some sores on his head, I rubbed some of

the VCO on his head, and I couldn't stand to smell him for more than a day

afterward, even after he'd had a bath. He smelled strongly of vomit to me.

But when my mother saw him right after I put the oil on his head, she took a

big whiff of him and said that he smelled good, like some kind of shampoo.

Very strange. ) I can also faintly smell it sometimes when I cook

certain foods with it.

Nope, I've not tried kefir - we're trying to move toward avoiding dairy. I

know butter's better than margarine, but I still don't think it's really

healthy, especially when heated. I use coconut oil instead of butter on

toast, and I like it just as well.

Have you tried Palm oil? Maybe you'd like its taste better.

Good luck!

-

On 9/21/06, <slbooks4me@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks . Still does not answer my question though . I have

> been doing the VCO thing for 2 yrs now. I like it less and less

> everytime i use it. I was hoping to get info on the Concentrate cause

> if it is just as good then i couple save money buy only buying it

> instead of all 3 products. I keep taking VCO incase the cream does

> not have as good of health benefits.

>

> I know what you mean about tastes. Have you tried downing

> Kefir.... my latest add to our eating. Well i have been using it

> for about a yr but just started making it myself about 2 months ago.

> It tasted much better from the store but i assume less healthy than

> fresh made Kefir which is why i culture it myself. I feel like i am

> adjsuting to it for the first time cause it tastes so different than

> the store bought stuff i was used to.

>

> I can't even eat store made yogurt anymore with out adding Kefir to

> it. It is entirely too sweet and gross for me. To think i never had

> a problem eating it before. I would buy the German kind before

> learning of the Kefir and adding it. Organic German yogurt is so much

> less sweeter than the American stuff. Now even it is too sweet with

> out mixing in the Kefir. So yes tastes do change but not all things

> wind up tasting better. VCO is one it keeps tasting worse to me. Not

> the only change either that i have made that has never tasted good or

> as good. I grew up on Wonder White. And a grilled cheese sandwich

> just does not taste as good on fresh ground wheat like majority of

> other bread makers think Oh and butter is the next best oil/fat.

> So i have no problem with liking it over VCO. I would if it was

> actually bad for us. But it is not so i enjoy my butter.

> Regards!

>

>

>

> >

> > I tend to agree. Until your taste buds adjust (which really only

> takes a

> > couple of weeks for most people), you're probably not going to enjoy

> the

> > taste of many healthy foods. But as your body heals you'll come to

> love

> > them. And anyway, what on earth tastes as good as being truly

> healthy?

> >

> > -

>

>

>

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" New Baby " is 8 weeks old!

Just 32 more weeks until Leah &

get a new baby brother or sister!

[Guest guest]

No problem. I will email TT in the morn and ask. I was hoping

someone on here knew so i could find out sooner. I do not recall

any of the books i have read addressing it.

> I'm sorry, I'm not sure about the differences between the

concentrate and

How funny! To me the smell of coconut is good, was good. But the

underlying oil i do not like. We use it instead of lotion. Smell

wise it is yucky to me if on my face and in my hands. I don't smell

it too badly on the rest of me. But whne i pull my hands to my face

i hold my breath these days Everyone loves how the baby smells

too. I liked it on me much better when we first started using it

but the underlying grease type smell is really strong to me now. I

had a friend who used to shot glass the VCO and now she can barely

use it in her cooking w/o the smell nauseating her. She grew to

dislike it from using it that way. I have found i growing less fond

the longer we have used it. But i continue to use it. I could

never be a shot glass person though lol! Palm Oil - yeah i like it

even less. My DH loves it. I use it too cause i know it is good

for us and if i can kill the tastes with some seasoning i can sukc

it up. I can say for me having seconds is less of an option

which is only a good thing cause then it makes passing up something

i really don't need more of easier. Not as tasty as it once was

> I should have mentioned, too, that I sort of know where you're

coming from

> about the VCO and its taste.

I saw that in another one of your posts your heading Vegan. Have

you looked into Nourishing Traditions at all? They are not Vegan

but i was moving that way myself until i read it and The Makers

Diet. I highly reccomend you read the Nourishing Traditions (NT)

book if you haven't yet. I am assuming since you mentioned Vegan

you may be using Soy. If you have not read any of the cons to it

please check it out on the WAPF (Weston A. Price Foundation) site:

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html . I used to use it too

until i started using VCO. When i looked into VCO it lead me to

info on Soy i was not happy with and the WAPF foundation i mentioned

above. My trainer friend huge Soy eater just borrowed my book The

Whole Soy Story i bought off of the Tropical Traditions site. She

won't use it now. The only real health problems i had are pretty

much gone now. Only things i had really changed was adding VCO and

no longer using Soy. Anyways the WAPF site is great to research

anything really even if you still choose to go the Vegan route. I

thought a lot of stuff was due to meat and dairy until i read the

above literature. It is the 2 things mankind has survived off of

longest. Dates back further than whole grains in traditional

persons diets Butter if i rem. has a high smoking point like VCO

and PO. if you like reading up on health stuff you should find some

of the articles good read on the WAPF site. Another i like to read

and (also ignore his arogance) is www.mercola.com. Both are easy to

navigate and find what i need in a hurry when i want info on

something with out tons of extra time to research. I have used his

site for a couple of yrs now. At first his over the topness bugged

me nbut i have learned to tune it out along with his buy my product

blurbs.

> Nope, I've not tried kefir - we're trying to move toward avoiding

dairy. I

> know butter's better than margarine, but I still don't think it's

really

> healthy, especially when heated. I use coconut oil instead of

butter on

> toast, and I like it just as well.

>

> Have you tried Palm oil? Maybe you'd like its taste better.

>

> Good luck!

>

> -

Thanks and you too. I will post back whn i get a response from TT

and the concentrate vs. the oil. I really like it in smoothies and

our oatmeal the best so far. I soak our grains (read about it at

the above site if you have not already) in the kefir, yogurt, or

lemon water for 24 hrs prior to cooking which makes the oats bitter

and sour. The concentrate really helps mask that strong flavor from

the soak. Oatmeal does not taste the same with out it Oh and it

tastes great like a dip for apples. I use a bit of raw honey to

sweeten it and sprinkle in some cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger etc.. Also

the cream needs to be a bit warm so it has a dip consistency.

Anyways this is great tasting. I use this dip recipe in apple pie

or crisp too. Everyone loves it. Never thought to see if Bruce has

a recipe in the book. If not here is another you can add

Goodnight!

[Guest guest]

Ugh; I could never take VCO shot-glass style, unless maybe I knew it would

cure me of some chronic disease. Even then, don't know if it would stay

down. )

Thanks for the info. Yes, we're heading vegan, but NO soy. I've read tons

about it; before I knew better, my dd was on soy formula for months, and I

truly think it had negative effects. I've read of it causing hormonal

imbalances in young children; it's like giving them birth control pills.

I don't think everything bad health-wise is caused by animal products, but I

think we greatly over-consume them. Our bodies were originally created to

eat a fruit and vegetable diet. I also think that consuming mostly raw

foods is very key. The best book by far I've read on this is Living on Live

Food by Alissa Cohen (www.alissacohen.com). There's no denying the health

benefits.

Anyhoo, have a good evening . . .

-

On 9/21/06, <slbooks4me@...> wrote:

>

> No problem. I will email TT in the morn and ask. I was hoping

> someone on here knew so i could find out sooner. I do not recall

> any of the books i have read addressing it.

>

> > I'm sorry, I'm not sure about the differences between the

> concentrate and

>

> How funny! To me the smell of coconut is good, was good. But the

> underlying oil i do not like. We use it instead of lotion. Smell

> wise it is yucky to me if on my face and in my hands. I don't smell

> it too badly on the rest of me. But whne i pull my hands to my face

> i hold my breath these days Everyone loves how the baby smells

> too. I liked it on me much better when we first started using it

> but the underlying grease type smell is really strong to me now. I

> had a friend who used to shot glass the VCO and now she can barely

> use it in her cooking w/o the smell nauseating her. She grew to

> dislike it from using it that way. I have found i growing less fond

> the longer we have used it. But i continue to use it. I could

> never be a shot glass person though lol! Palm Oil - yeah i like it

> even less. My DH loves it. I use it too cause i know it is good

> for us and if i can kill the tastes with some seasoning i can sukc

> it up. I can say for me having seconds is less of an option

> which is only a good thing cause then it makes passing up something

> i really don't need more of easier. Not as tasty as it once was

>

> > I should have mentioned, too, that I sort of know where you're

> coming from

> > about the VCO and its taste.

>

> I saw that in another one of your posts your heading Vegan. Have

> you looked into Nourishing Traditions at all? They are not Vegan

> but i was moving that way myself until i read it and The Makers

> Diet. I highly reccomend you read the Nourishing Traditions (NT)

> book if you haven't yet. I am assuming since you mentioned Vegan

> you may be using Soy. If you have not read any of the cons to it

> please check it out on the WAPF (Weston A. Price Foundation) site:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html . I used to use it too

> until i started using VCO. When i looked into VCO it lead me to

> info on Soy i was not happy with and the WAPF foundation i mentioned

> above. My trainer friend huge Soy eater just borrowed my book The

> Whole Soy Story i bought off of the Tropical Traditions site. She

> won't use it now. The only real health problems i had are pretty

> much gone now. Only things i had really changed was adding VCO and

> no longer using Soy. Anyways the WAPF site is great to research

> anything really even if you still choose to go the Vegan route. I

> thought a lot of stuff was due to meat and dairy until i read the

> above literature. It is the 2 things mankind has survived off of

> longest. Dates back further than whole grains in traditional

> persons diets Butter if i rem. has a high smoking point like VCO

> and PO. if you like reading up on health stuff you should find some

> of the articles good read on the WAPF site. Another i like to read

> and (also ignore his arogance) is www.mercola.com. Both are easy to

> navigate and find what i need in a hurry when i want info on

> something with out tons of extra time to research. I have used his

> site for a couple of yrs now. At first his over the topness bugged

> me nbut i have learned to tune it out along with his buy my product

> blurbs.

>

> > Nope, I've not tried kefir - we're trying to move toward avoiding

> dairy. I

> > know butter's better than margarine, but I still don't think it's

> really

> > healthy, especially when heated. I use coconut oil instead of

> butter on

> > toast, and I like it just as well.

> >

> > Have you tried Palm oil? Maybe you'd like its taste better.

> >

> > Good luck!

> >

> > -

>

> Thanks and you too. I will post back whn i get a response from TT

> and the concentrate vs. the oil. I really like it in smoothies and

> our oatmeal the best so far. I soak our grains (read about it at

> the above site if you have not already) in the kefir, yogurt, or

> lemon water for 24 hrs prior to cooking which makes the oats bitter

> and sour. The concentrate really helps mask that strong flavor from

> the soak. Oatmeal does not taste the same with out it Oh and it

> tastes great like a dip for apples. I use a bit of raw honey to

> sweeten it and sprinkle in some cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger etc.. Also

> the cream needs to be a bit warm so it has a dip consistency.

> Anyways this is great tasting. I use this dip recipe in apple pie

> or crisp too. Everyone loves it. Never thought to see if Bruce has

> a recipe in the book. If not here is another you can add

>

> Goodnight!

>

>

>

>

>

--

^^^^^^^^\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

" New Baby " is 8 weeks old!

Just 32 more weeks until Leah &

get a new baby brother or sister!

[Guest guest]

have you ever tried adding a couple of drops of an essential oil to the

vco you use on your skin? Then you get the scent you like and the added benefits

of essential oils. I am an aromatherapist and use them extensively in my life!

Pat

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat,

What a great idea! So i guess that is a no, i had not thought of it.

What ones would you recommend? I have not read up on aromatherapy

yet. I know a bit about the popular ones like Lavendar etc.... well

now i can't think of the others Before using VCO all the time i

had really bad acne issues. Since i have been using it and cutting

out all Soy it has gone away with the occassional break out here and

there. Before it was more like cystic acne. I am beginning to wonder

if Soy was the culprit though. Anycase i keep on using it. I hate

that the smell near my face is getting to me now cause i loved it

before. Especially during the long cold winter here. It was like

waking up to sunshine and beaches It totally fought the blah day

in the morning when i woke, it helped that i could smell something

tropical first thing.

> have you ever tried adding a couple of drops of an essential

oil to the vco you use on your skin? Then you get the scent you like

and the added benefits of essential oils. I am an aromatherapist and

use them extensively in my life! Pat

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Ugh; I could never take VCO shot-glass style, unless maybe I knew

it would

> cure me of some chronic disease. Even then, don't know if it

would stay

> down. )

See that is so me. If i had some serious illness...... But i don't

so i won't force it

> Thanks for the info. Yes, we're heading vegan, but NO soy. I've

read tons

> about it; before I knew better, my dd was on soy formula for

months, and I

> truly think it had negative effects. I've read of it causing

hormonal

> imbalances in young children; it's like giving them birth control

pills.

Good i am glad you read about it. I always worry now after reading

so much of the stuff we weren't told regarding it. I cringed the

other day when i heard a mom tell her friends that she makes soy

shakes every morning for her kids brkfst. I wanted to tell her what

i know and give her a few sites and book titles to check out. I am

so greatful i did not mess us up from it. At least i hope i have

not So far we keep trucking! My goal after my kids are older

and able to homeschool more independantly is to get a degree in

natural health type of nutrition. It is my passion. I am not sure

where to look on line to start a course now but i really don't have

the time yet anyways.

> I don't think everything bad health-wise is caused by animal

products, but I

> think we greatly over-consume them. Our bodies were originally

created to

> eat a fruit and vegetable diet. I also think that consuming

mostly raw

> foods is very key. There's no denying the health

> benefits.

I agree with you that this was the plan but after the flood the

command is there to eat meat. I think because before the fall we

had no need for it. But after the fall, body was then able to

perish, disease etc... prior it could not. I agree raw foods can't

be replaced. Looking back in history too many areas could not be

sustained on grains alone or even vegetation cause it could not

grow. They had to eat something. Animal products was that

something. I think that is why this provision was made cause the

earth nor our bodies was perfect anymore. I am not trying to make

you agree here but i know where your coming from cause i felt that

way. The 2 books i mentioned above are what got me rethinking it

all. One was written by a guy who was dying of Crohns diseas and

grew up on a vegan type diet. Rubin Jordan - The Makers Diet. He

makes a lot of valid points about all of these diets and explains

why each has some great answers. What works about them and what

doesn ot work about them. He too has a lot of sell routine in his

writing. I have to turn it off cause it makes me not want to read

his stuff. But his story is fascinating! His arguments are very

valid and i feel he is less biased than the vegan/vegetarian stuff i

have read. He has lived both sides of the diet.

From the NT book i have learned that a lot of the ill health is not

100% what we eat but also in how we prepare it. Like soaking grains

for instance. Most grains contain phytic acids and cause us to not

be able to absorb vitamins and minerals. Soaking them in a an

acidic medium helps to nuetralize and break down the negative

components to grains so that we can digest them more easily and so

they do not block our ability to absorb vitamins. Bread back in the

day was not bread today. It was soaked and fermented and naturally

leavened. Todays bread just adds more health issues. Oils in

flours go rancid with in a couple of days. So instead of grinding

after soaking, amking our own fresh bread like before..... flour

sits on shelves forever waiting for consumers to buy it. So they

have to strip the flour of any oil. Strip it of everything that was

healthy and sell it to us loaded with preservatives and added

synthetic vitamins we can't absorb anyways. Anyway Sally Fallons

book goes over a lot of why this food is good for us but it is bad

when it is prepared wrongly by our cooking of it, lack of cooking

it, or that we don't soak it first, or.......... It is a good read

even if you are going to go Vegan. Cause a lot of the foods you

will most likely eat she tells you how to better prepare them to get

the most health out of them. She claims vegans and veggies wind up

with whole other health issues because of increase in certain foods

that should be prepared a certain way.

I am not sure if you have read anything that addresses those issues

yet. My reason for chatting with you about it:), not to talk you

out of your plans..... it is good info for everyone. The book has

about 80 pages of actual info and the rest is recipes. You can

learn the stuff from the WAPF site too. I just wanted to let you

know there is really good vital stuff especially if you plan to make

up the lack of protein in grains etc... just trying be helpful

[Guest guest]

<<My goal after my kids are older and able to homeschool more independantly

is to get a degree in natural health type of nutrition.>>

Cool! You might start by looking at Clayton College of Natural Health.

I've very seriously considered their ND program, but I worry because there

is no distance-learning institution (or at least none thqat I've found after

many hours of research) that offers a regionally accredited naturopathic

doctor degree program. I'm afraid I won't be able to adequately use a

semi-accredited ND to make a living. So it's either that or an MBA - tough

decision. ) Natural health is my pasion as well, though, so I'd love

to somehow use it to make aliving while helping others.

Cool that you homeschool, too, BTW. I was homeschooled from 2nd through

12th grade, and I plan on homeschooling my kiddos, as well.

<<after the flood the command is there to eat meat.>>

Hmmm . . . well, God certainly gave Noah and his family permission to eat

meat after the flood, but I can't tell at all that it was a command. And it

is interesting to note that it was at that point that man's lifespan began

to shorten so drastically. ) Not that I think that was all related to

meat, of course, but I just think it's interesting. And of course we have

the command to in Acts to kill and eat an, " unclean " animal, but that

is obviously more symbolic - I don't think God was saying, " You have to eat

this from now on, " He was simply removing the legalistic barrier to eating

things formerly considered unclean.

Anyway, I shouldn't say that I ever intend to be completely vegan, because I

know there will be occasions when we will eat free-range organic eggs, or

have a piece of meat at someone else's home (I don't ever want to be one of

those families that everyone hates to invite over because you don't know

what they'll eat). ) It's not the things we do every now and then that

destroy our health, it's our daily habits. I do, however, know many stories

of vegans (especially those who consume a mostly raw diet - I think that's

key) who live into very old age and are still full of youthfulness and

vitality. People who eat a diet consisting largely of animal products don't

seem to often be able to boast that - they may live a long life, but it's

often fraught with illness or infirmity. While I can buy the possibility

that animal products are not as directly related to heart disease as

sometimes thought, I still think they are linked to the development of

cancers and other illnesses. They can also produce a great excess of

protein in the diet, which is hard on the kidneys.

I agree that our health issues are directly related to how we prepare our

food, so I'm definitely planning to read Nourishing Traditions. I've had

that book recommended to me before, just no time to read it yet. )

I've never heard of soaking grains in any sort of acid, but I do soak and

sprout grains and nuts.

Gotta run now, but thanks again for the info and conversation! )

-

On 9/22/06, <slbooks4me@...> wrote:

>

>

> >

> > Ugh; I could never take VCO shot-glass style, unless maybe I knew

> it would

> > cure me of some chronic disease. Even then, don't know if it

> would stay

> > down. )

>

> See that is so me. If i had some serious illness...... But i don't

> so i won't force it

>

> > Thanks for the info. Yes, we're heading vegan, but NO soy. I've

> read tons

> > about it; before I knew better, my dd was on soy formula for

> months, and I

> > truly think it had negative effects. I've read of it causing

> hormonal

> > imbalances in young children; it's like giving them birth control

> pills.

>

> Good i am glad you read about it. I always worry now after reading

> so much of the stuff we weren't told regarding it. I cringed the

> other day when i heard a mom tell her friends that she makes soy

> shakes every morning for her kids brkfst. I wanted to tell her what

> i know and give her a few sites and book titles to check out. I am

> so greatful i did not mess us up from it. At least i hope i have

> not So far we keep trucking! My goal after my kids are older

> and able to homeschool more independantly is to get a degree in

> natural health type of nutrition. It is my passion. I am not sure

> where to look on line to start a course now but i really don't have

> the time yet anyways.

>

> > I don't think everything bad health-wise is caused by animal

> products, but I

> > think we greatly over-consume them. Our bodies were originally

> created to

> > eat a fruit and vegetable diet. I also think that consuming

> mostly raw

> > foods is very key. There's no denying the health

> > benefits.

>

> I agree with you that this was the plan but after the flood the

> command is there to eat meat. I think because before the fall we

> had no need for it. But after the fall, body was then able to

> perish, disease etc... prior it could not. I agree raw foods can't

> be replaced. Looking back in history too many areas could not be

> sustained on grains alone or even vegetation cause it could not

> grow. They had to eat something. Animal products was that

> something. I think that is why this provision was made cause the

> earth nor our bodies was perfect anymore. I am not trying to make

> you agree here but i know where your coming from cause i felt that

> way. The 2 books i mentioned above are what got me rethinking it

> all. One was written by a guy who was dying of Crohns diseas and

> grew up on a vegan type diet. Rubin Jordan - The Makers Diet. He

> makes a lot of valid points about all of these diets and explains

> why each has some great answers. What works about them and what

> doesn ot work about them. He too has a lot of sell routine in his

> writing. I have to turn it off cause it makes me not want to read

> his stuff. But his story is fascinating! His arguments are very

> valid and i feel he is less biased than the vegan/vegetarian stuff i

> have read. He has lived both sides of the diet.

>

> From the NT book i have learned that a lot of the ill health is not

> 100% what we eat but also in how we prepare it. Like soaking grains

> for instance. Most grains contain phytic acids and cause us to not

> be able to absorb vitamins and minerals. Soaking them in a an

> acidic medium helps to nuetralize and break down the negative

> components to grains so that we can digest them more easily and so

> they do not block our ability to absorb vitamins. Bread back in the

> day was not bread today. It was soaked and fermented and naturally

> leavened. Todays bread just adds more health issues. Oils in

> flours go rancid with in a couple of days. So instead of grinding

> after soaking, amking our own fresh bread like before..... flour

> sits on shelves forever waiting for consumers to buy it. So they

> have to strip the flour of any oil. Strip it of everything that was

> healthy and sell it to us loaded with preservatives and added

> synthetic vitamins we can't absorb anyways. Anyway Sally Fallons

> book goes over a lot of why this food is good for us but it is bad

> when it is prepared wrongly by our cooking of it, lack of cooking

> it, or that we don't soak it first, or.......... It is a good read

> even if you are going to go Vegan. Cause a lot of the foods you

> will most likely eat she tells you how to better prepare them to get

> the most health out of them. She claims vegans and veggies wind up

> with whole other health issues because of increase in certain foods

> that should be prepared a certain way.

>

> I am not sure if you have read anything that addresses those issues

> yet. My reason for chatting with you about it:), not to talk you

> out of your plans..... it is good info for everyone. The book has

> about 80 pages of actual info and the rest is recipes. You can

> learn the stuff from the WAPF site too. I just wanted to let you

> know there is really good vital stuff especially if you plan to make

> up the lack of protein in grains etc... just trying be helpful

>

>

>

--

^^^^^^^^\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

" New Baby " is 8 weeks old!

Just 32 more weeks until Leah &

get a new baby brother or sister!

[Guest guest]

>

> <<My goal after my kids are older and able to homeschool more

independantly

> is to get a degree in natural health type of nutrition.>>

>

> Cool! You might start by looking at Clayton College of Natural

Health.

> I've very seriously considered their ND program, but I worry

because there

> is no distance-learning institution (or at least none thqat I've

found after

> many hours of research) that offers a regionally accredited

naturopathic

> doctor degree program. I'm afraid I won't be able to adequately

use a

> semi-accredited ND to make a living.

That is why i have not yet myself. I want to make sure that it will

be accepted back home and as of yet the school there does not have

any online/DL classes either. I also am trying to find one that is

not steeped in things i do not agree with.... of the spiritual

nature.

Nice talking to you.

[Guest guest]

While Moritz claims, " healthy skin - Of course, eating coconut oil lubricates

you from the inside out " , we have examples of essential fatty acids deficiency

here in our group, including dry skin, that was promoted by VCO and relieved by

DHA, which does not occur in coconut oil.

The tighter feeling of skin in the next paragraph may well be an indicator of

low DHA. Many people who know about fatty acids imbalance tend to use other oils

to prevent it. Seems there's nothing in VCO to prevent sunburn either.

all good,

Duncan

>

> I just found this long listing of Coconut Oil benefits at s Moritz's

wellness forum at sicknesshope.com. He has some VERY interesting stuff there and

there's many testimonials of people who's health has improved from his

recommendations. In case anyone wants to browse over there, his nickname is

'moreless'. -

>

>

> Hi Moreless:) I would be pleased to elaborate on the benefits I have noticed

from coconut oil. This may be a long post though.

>

> Energy - one of the first things I noticed was the energy I felt after I ate

it.Weight loss - I only lost a few pounds, but I am at a pretty healthy weight

anyway. I know others who have lost much more using coconut oil.

>

> Healthy skin - Of course, eating coconut oil lubricates you from the inside

out,

>

> I also use coconut oil as a all over moisterizer and on my face. I have notice

my skin is fresher looking with less fine lines. After I put it on my face it

feels moist and tighter (but not a dry tight)

>

> I also use coconut oil as a sun screen...it gives you a beautiful tan and

prevents burns and leaves your skin with a healthy glow.

>

> Also, I should tell you that I convinced my sister to try the coconut oil. As

she had a growth on her forehead about 1 cm wide. Coconut oil is antifungal.

Anyway, she did not apply it to her skin like I told her to, but she ate about 2

tblspns per day. Within 1 week (no lie) the growth which she had for 5 years was

completely gone. She cancelled her appointment to the dermatologist that she had

made. Now she eats it and applies it to her skin daily and loves it. She is

nearly 60 years old and says her skin has improved tremendously since starting

the coconut oil.

>

> Heals dry cracked heels or any dry skin condition I or friends have had.

>

> I've used coconut oil to heal a burn on my finger really quickly.

>

> One more thing on coconut oil and the skin is my younger friend who has a baby

tried it as a diaper cream for diaper rash. I told her to use coconut oil and

Oil or oregano and the diaper rash cleared up over night.

>

> Hair conditioner - I use coconut oil from time to time to give my hair a deep

conditioning...it give great results.

>

> Healthy gums and teeth - I eat about 3 tblspns per day and I have noticed my

gums and teeth are much healthier. If I feel a tender gum from brushing too hard

or something I'll put coconut oil on the area and it is all better by the next

day.

>

> Also, I should mention that I give my dogs about a tablespoon a day and about

4 months after I started to do this, I noticed my dog's teeth were getting much

whiter and their gums looked so healthy. They did have some build up prior to

the coconut oil and that is now all gone except for a little on a couple of

their far back molars, but I can see more and more white on those molars coming

through all the time. I don't brush their teeth or do anything else for their

teeth other than give them the coconut oil. Plus, their fur is very soft and

extremely shiney.

>

> Also, I have a cat that is 14.5 years old now and he decided that he also

likes coconut oil. As you can imagine in 14 year old cat, his teeth were not the

best. After about 2 months eating coconut oil (which he absolutely loves and

will bug me to no end until I give it to him in the morning) I was looking at

his teeth and they look amazing...white and pink healthy gums. Plus his energy

has definitely increased...he is much more mobile and alert and playful.

>

> Infections - I have used coconut oil to treat my daughters whenever they come

down with anything. Of course, I also use alkalizing things to help them out as

well, but I know coconut oil helps a lot in this area. For myself and my

husband, it is extremely rare that we even feel off because of the Moreless

protocol and the coconut oil, but it does help with the girls.

>

> Cuts - I have used coconut oil on cuts with great success and quick healing.

>

> Coconut oil is one of those things that you instinctively know is good for you

when you try it. Between the Moreless protocol and coconut oil, I feel pretty

healthy and have lots of energy. I can't think of anything else right now,

although I'm sure there is more, but

>

> I hope that helps someone here.

> Also here is a link to a coconut oil site that I frequent from time to

time...it's very informative:

> http://www.coconutdiet.com/health_benefits_coconut_oil.htm

>

> Striveon:)

>

[Guest guest]

Here in the Philippines, a tropical country, use of VCO on skin to prevent

sunburn is becoming common. It seems to speed up browning of the skin and help

prevent injury from UV light exposure. All of the time my skin would became

darker without sunburn from noontime sun exposures.

Tony

________________________________

... Seems there's nothing in VCO to prevent sunburn either.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

I have noticed the same and I live in Singapore. I even made a test and I used

normal sun lotion SP30 in some parts of my body and virgin coconut oil in some

parts. Those parts with sun lotion burned and the skin started to peel off,

with coconut oil I didn't even got red skin, and  no peeling of the skin. I am

really glad to see how VCO is making my skin more beautiful. And I used to spend

hunders of dollars for expensive cosmetics. Now my " from head to toe "

cosmetics are only pure oils, VCO being the main oil.

I also use VCO daily in baking and cooking. I even add a tbs of it in my

espresso. Coconut flour is perfect for all baking and fresh coconut water is

best drink in a hot day.

 

Tiiu

From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Coconut Benefits

 

Here in the Philippines, a tropical country, use of VCO on skin to prevent

sunburn is becoming common. It seems to speed up browning of the skin and help

prevent injury from UV light exposure. All of the time my skin would became

darker without sunburn from noontime sun exposures.

Tony

________________________________

... Seems there's nothing in VCO to prevent sunburn either.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

I attest that when i was in the beach in the Philippines for more than three

hours straight, i applied vco and reapplied every 25-30 minutes, i did not have

an inch of sunburn but had a beautiful tan. You have to keep reapplying because

it also i believe has SPF.

>

> While Moritz claims, " healthy skin - Of course, eating coconut oil lubricates

you from the inside out " , we have examples of essential fatty acids deficiency

here in our group, including dry skin, that was promoted by VCO and relieved by

DHA, which does not occur in coconut oil.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oils are often used to tan with but there's no analysis that I'm aware of that

shows SPF is present in any of them. If I've missed some research that did

measure SPF in coconut oil, if someone points it out I'll post it with my other

coconut oil references.

As to the need for reapplying coconut oil when you're tanning, it seems lauric

acid evaporates, at 20 degrees C in vacuum at any rate. I don't have a lauric

acid evaporation figure for natural air pressure but it will be just a bit

higher, much like a warm day.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> I attest that when i was in the beach in the Philippines for more than three

hours straight, i applied vco and reapplied every 25-30 minutes, i did not have

an inch of sunburn but had a beautiful tan. You have to keep reapplying because

it also i believe has SPF.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gooogling SPF coconut reveals that SPF 8 or more is often ADDED to coconut oil

for tanning and it doesn't have even SPF 8 without the additive.

There's no SPF in natural VCO but there are antioxidants. Natural antioxidants

are found in varying amounts in virgin oils generally.

all good,

Duncan

>

> I have noticed the same and I live in Singapore. I even made a test and I used

normal sun lotion SP30 in some parts of my body and virgin coconut oil in some

parts. Those parts with sun lotion burned and the skin started to peel off,

with coconut oil I didn't even got red skin, and  no peeling of the skin. I am

really glad to see how VCO is making my skin more beautiful. And I used to spend

hunders of dollars for expensive cosmetics. Now my " from head to toe "

cosmetics are only pure oils, VCO being the main oil.

> I also use VCO daily in baking and cooking. I even add a tbs of it in my

espresso. Coconut flour is perfect for all baking and fresh coconut water is

best drink in a hot day.

>  

> Tiiu

>

> From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 2:56 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Coconut Benefits

>

>

>  

>

>

> Here in the Philippines, a tropical country, use of VCO on skin to prevent

> sunburn is becoming common. It seems to speed up browning of the skin and help

> prevent injury from UV light exposure. All of the time my skin would became

> darker without sunburn from noontime sun exposures.

>

> Tony

>

> ________________________________

>

> .. Seems there's nothing in VCO to prevent sunburn either.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Laurin or VCO does not significantly evaporate at atmospheric pressure.

Evaporation has inverse relation to the pressure that the liquid is exposed to.

When applied VCO dries up on skin, it did not evaporate, it was absorbed into

the skin in warm climate, and partly frozen in cold climate.

Tony

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 10:44:34 PM

Subject: Re: Coconut Benefits

Oils are often used to tan with but there's no analysis that I'm aware of that

shows SPF is present in any of them. If I've missed some research that did

measure SPF in coconut oil, if someone points it out I'll post it with my other

coconut oil references.

As to the need for reapplying coconut oil when you're tanning, it seems lauric

acid evaporates, at 20 degrees C in vacuum at any rate. I don't have a lauric

acid evaporation figure for natural air pressure but it will be just a bit

higher, much like a warm day.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> I attest that when i was in the beach in the Philippines for more than three

>hours straight, i applied vco and reapplied every 25-30 minutes, i did not have

>an inch of sunburn but had a beautiful tan. You have to keep reapplying

because

>it also i believe has SPF.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK. So vco has no spf. I still stand by it not allowing one's skin to burn when

under the sun for a long time as long as one reapplies it every 20-30 minutes.

Duncan, someone in another group gave out an article that glutathione might not

be good for cancer. Glutathion prevents cancer cells from dying. Do you know

anything about this claim?

Thanks.

>

> ________________________________

>

> .. Seems there's nothing in VCO to prevent sunburn either.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

SPF stands for Sun Protection Factor - it is not a specific ingredient:

http://dermatology.about.com/cs/skincareproducts/a/spf.htm

According to most accounts, Coconut oil - without any additives - has a Sun

Protection Factor of 4-6. While that might not seem like much it seems to work

extremely well for some and less so for others. This could very well be due to

the person's own diet, acid-alkaline balance, or whatever. I live in Florida,

have light sun-sensitive skin and it works for me. I would recommend that each

person test it on themselves.

Dee

>

> Gooogling SPF coconut reveals that SPF 8 or more is often ADDED to coconut oil

for tanning and it doesn't have even SPF 8 without the additive.

>

> There's no SPF in natural VCO but there are antioxidants. Natural antioxidants

are found in varying amounts in virgin oils generally.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually s Moritz didn't say it, the person writing the testimonial did.

s has alot of good knowledge on health and healing and wrote the best book

on Cancer (out of 10) I read. He has two websites, ener-chi.com and his forum

sicknesshope.com.

>

> While Moritz claims, " healthy skin - Of course, eating coconut oil lubricates

you from the inside out " , we have examples of essential fatty acids deficiency

here in our group, including dry skin, that was promoted by VCO and relieved by

DHA, which does not occur in coconut oil.

>

> The tighter feeling of skin in the next paragraph may well be an indicator of

low DHA. Many people who know about fatty acids imbalance tend to use other oils

to prevent it. Seems there's nothing in VCO to prevent sunburn either.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

-------

> Hi Moreless:) I would be pleased to elaborate on the benefits I have noticed

from coconut oil. This may be a long post though.

>

> Energy - one of the first things I noticed was the energy I felt after I ate

it.Weight loss - I only lost a few pounds, but I am at a pretty healthy weight

anyway. I know others who have lost much more using coconut oil.

>

> Healthy skin - Of course, eating coconut oil lubricates you from the inside

out, I also use coconut oil as a all over moisterizer and on my face. I have

notice my skin is fresher looking with less fine lines. After I put it on my

face it feels moist and tighter (but not a dry tight)

[Guest guest]

Our supplier & producer of virgin coconut oil tells me that VCO has an SPF of

15. While I don't have documented research, I take his word on it as a

Vietnamese native and one who has lived the coconut life for many years...

Chef

Owner/operator The Down East Coconut Company

http://www.downeastcoconut.com

> >

> > Duncan,

> >

> > I attest that when i was in the beach in the Philippines for more than three

hours straight, i applied vco and reapplied every 25-30 minutes, i did not have

an inch of sunburn but had a beautiful tan. You have to keep reapplying because

it also i believe has SPF.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dolores, the sole PubMed reference to CO for UVB protection says, " Avoid

folklore remedies like coconut oil. "

If you look for any references for the statement you'll see what I mean. So,

whose idea was it? Sounds like politics to me

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Gooogling SPF coconut reveals that SPF 8 or more is often ADDED to coconut

oil for tanning and it doesn't have even SPF 8 without the additive.

> >

> > There's no SPF in natural VCO but there are antioxidants. Natural

antioxidants are found in varying amounts in virgin oils generally.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This industry mag compared four oils; it says coconut oil doesn't absorb much

UVB and the graph shows 86% of 400nm UV gets through:

http://www.igu.in/8-4/4Shohana.pdf

Is this the only experiment that supports the claim?

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Duncan, I found your PubMed reference, but unlike other PubMed references this

one is totally unsubstantiated:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8680178

Politics? It could be. All I can say is that when my partner Bill and I sailed

to Florida from Ohio in 1987 I slathered myself daily with a high SPF drugstore

product. I continued to use such products after landing here, yet several years

later developed a basal cell carcinoma on my nose. Since using CO I have not

developed any skin cancers. As I said previously, however, it may not work for

everyone.

Dee

> >

> > Duncan,

> >

> > SPF stands for Sun Protection Factor - it is not a specific ingredient:

> > http://dermatology.about.com/cs/skincareproducts/a/spf.htm

> >

> > According to most accounts, Coconut oil - without any additives - has a Sun

Protection Factor of 4-6. While that might not seem like much it seems to work

extremely well for some and less so for others. This could very well be due to

the person's own diet, acid-alkaline balance, or whatever. I live in Florida,

have light sun-sensitive skin and it works for me. I would recommend that each

person test it on themselves.

> >

> > Dee