Re: Raw milk v. Organic Milk-Is it safe??

[Guest guest]

If the cows are kept properly clean as they ARE in any reputable dairy that

deals in Raw Milk, this is not a concern.

How else do you propose to get Raw Milk if not from the Udder?

zoe

Friday, March 9, 2007, 10:45:43 AM, you wrote:

> Kirsteen:

> If you live in the countryside, you can just stop and ask a farmer.

> I wouldn't think Raw Milk would be a good thing, right out of the

> Udder. There would be microbes (micro-organisms) that would be

> specific to cows, perhaps for immunity for the calves. Bacteria of

> all kinds would get into the Udder, yikes.

> Bonnie

> Re: Raw milk v. Organic Milk

> I don't use milk because I don't like it. However I'd love to try raw milk.

> Does anyone know if it's available in the UK?

> Cheers

> Kirsteen

> --

> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

>

[Guest guest]

Zoe:

There is much to think about in consuming raw milk. It doesn't matter how

reputable the farm is, there is MUCH bacteria everywhere and the cows lie down

and microbes can crawl in the teats. The teats and udder gets washed but what is

INSIDE the Udder, comes out into the milk, that is why it is Pasteurized. It's

then dead milk, so perhaps some would not want that. Each cow of course would

have a different array of microbes but these are beneficial to the calves, NOT

people.

Bonnie

Re: Raw milk v. Organic Milk

> I don't use milk because I don't like it. However I'd love to try raw milk.

> Does anyone know if it's available in the UK?

> Cheers

> Kirsteen

> --

> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

>

[Guest guest]

On 3/9/07, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

>

> Kirsteen:

>

> If you live in the countryside, you can just stop and ask a farmer. I

> wouldn't think Raw Milk would be a good thing, right out of the Udder. There

> would be microbes (micro-organisms) that would be specific to cows, perhaps

> for immunity for the calves. Bacteria of all kinds would get into the Udder,

> yikes.

Oh I definitely think it would be a good thing to have. Unfortunately I'm in

the middle of a city in Scotland and can't travel so I'd ideally like it

delivered or find it available locally. I've tried the local farmer's market

but they don't seem to be any dairy farmers there.

Kirsteen

Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

[Guest guest]

Kirsteen:

Put the name of the Farmer's Market into your search engine and see if there are

other names there, also ask the other Vendors.

There's got to be someone in the area that would transport the milk for sale.

Bonnie

Re: Raw milk v. Organic Milk-Is it safe??

On 3/9/07, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

>

> Kirsteen:

>

> If you live in the countryside, you can just stop and ask a farmer. I

> wouldn't think Raw Milk would be a good thing, right out of the Udder. There

> would be microbes (micro-organisms) that would be specific to cows, perhaps

> for immunity for the calves. Bacteria of all kinds would get into the Udder,

> yikes.

Oh I definitely think it would be a good thing to have. Unfortunately I'm in

the middle of a city in Scotland and can't travel so I'd ideally like it

delivered or find it available locally. I've tried the local farmer's market

but they don't seem to be any dairy farmers there.

Kirsteen

Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

[Guest guest]

On 3/9/07, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

>

> Kirsteen:

>

> Put the name of the Farmer's Market into your search engine and see if

> there are other names there, also ask the other Vendors.

>

> There's got to be someone in the area that would transport the milk for

> sale.

I've tried various searches but haven't come up with anything. I'm not sure

if it's legal here. Not that that would stop me buying it but it might stop

people selling it

Kirsteen

--

> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

[Guest guest]

Kirsteen:

EVERYONE in the Organic movement who support and grow organically and sell at

Farmer's Markets, know ALL the others who are also involved in the same

business. Ask the other Vendors.

That always works for me.

Bonnie

Re: Raw milk v. Organic Milk-Is it safe??

On 3/9/07, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

>

> Kirsteen:

>

> Put the name of the Farmer's Market into your search engine and see if

> there are other names there, also ask the other Vendors.

>

> There's got to be someone in the area that would transport the milk for

> sale.

I've tried various searches but haven't come up with anything. I'm not sure

if it's legal here. Not that that would stop me buying it but it might stop

people selling it

Kirsteen

--

> Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done

[Guest guest]

Fresh milk, straight from the udder (cooled though if you don't like it warm) is

a wonderful thing. All bacteria that is in the fresh milk is of a beneficial

kind. There are no pathogens in fresh milk from healthy cows.

In fact, there were studies done many times when fresh milk was inoculated with

pathogen bacteria and left for 24 hours in room temperature. After 24 hours

there was no sign of the pathogen. The beneficial bacteria took care of the

pathogenic ones. How is that for a healthful drink?

Barbara

Kirsteen:

If you live in the countryside, you can just stop and ask a farmer. I wouldn't

think Raw Milk would be a good thing, right out of the Udder. There would be

microbes (micro-organisms) that would be specific to cows, perhaps for immunity

for the calves. Bacteria of all kinds would get into the Udder, yikes.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Bonnie, you are very much mistaken and brain washed about the reasons milk is

pasteurized.

Nobody and no government body is looking out for you and your safety. Not one.

The milk is pasteurized only to allow badly kept dairy cattle that stands up to

their bellies in their own waste to collect that dirty milk and sell it and not

to kill people in the process. I agree with you that THIS milk is NOT safe to

drink raw.

Cattle that is pastured is CLEAN. Pasture is clean. Nature is clean. Milk

from cows that eat grass is clean. How do you think human race survived for

several thousand years milking their cows and goats and camels and drinking

their milk without cooking it? Think about it.

Barbara

Zoe:

There is much to think about in consuming raw milk. It doesn't matter how

reputable the farm is, there is MUCH bacteria everywhere and the cows lie down

and microbes can crawl in the teats. The teats and udder gets washed but what is

INSIDE the Udder, comes out into the milk, that is why it is Pasteurized. It's

then dead milk, so perhaps some would not want that. Each cow of course would

have a different array of microbes but these are beneficial to the calves, NOT

people.

Bonnie