Re: quality of Malaysian VCOs?

[Guest guest]

Dear Group

I believe this Coconut Oil group comprises of and is managed mainly

by those who support VCO originating from the ines and I am sure you will

give a very objective response to the query from Ann in Malaysia.

I was informed that there are different methods of VCO production:

1) fermentation

2) with enzymes

3) centrifuge method

So is the quality of the VCO produced by all 3 methods the same? Are the raw

material i.e. all the coconuts of the same variety?

Perhaps Bruce Fife might like to respond to this. He was in Singapore under

Sambu Group sponsorship on May19-20 2006.

I am not a manufacturer. The manufacturer has been producing VCO for over 15

years and I was informed their VCO is highly sought after by well known cosmetic

houses in Europe. I suspect the lauric acid in many of the expensive skincare

products could well be VCO from the Sambu Group.

My company - Global HealthCare - distributes wellness products including VCO.

There are several brands of VCO in the Malaysian market but we chose to

distribute NAVICO after our own testing. In fact we were also appraoched by VCO

manufacturers in other countries to represtn them in Malaysia.

Recently, when I queried on quality of the VCO by Sambu Group because a client

requested this for his herbal preparations. I was told by a representative of

the manufacturer that Bruce was happy with the quality.

Incidentally one of my customers is a herbalist practicing Chinese Traditonal

Medicine. He adds carotene and Vit E to this VCO and the formula retails in 2

sizes 150 ml @ RM75 ( $20USD) and 300ml for RM 150.00 which should be about

$40 USD :-)

His customers are mainly those with CVD and they have given great testimonies as

they have managed to go off statins since taking this formula.

For those who are genuinely interested in NAVICO there is product information in

the attachment.

regards

For Global HealthCare

Malaysia

aehend <aehend@...> wrote: Hello, all,

I followed up on the seller's advert here for Malaysian VCO

(areiki_lady@... is the e-mail address). They are currently

selling Malaysian-source VCO for 30 ringgit (about 8 USD) for 120 ml.

The particular brand is Navico by Sambu Group.

That's significantly more expensive than the Philippine oils (even

WFN's expeller oil), but the seller says that the Malaysian oils are of

different quality. Malaysian companies standardly sell VCO at this

price and size: anyone know what the " different quality " is to warrant

folks buying it rather than the Philippine oil?

Anyone tried this oil, or other Malaysian oils, and have anything to

say contrasting with the Philippine ones?

Cheers,

Ann in Malaysia

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

How could a malaysian VCO be different from a VCO from the Philippines?

Philippines are the country of VCO, all the researchers involved in scientific

studies about VCO features and benefits were and are still Filipinos ( In

Philippines or elsewhere....).

The recent story of success of VCO encouraged some other countries where

coconuts are growing to join the train and to produce their own VCO. Good.

However, I still prefer to relay on VCO from the Philippines for several

reasons:

1) there are in the Philippines 140 producers of VCO, most of them are rather

small, but they are very concerned about the quality of their products. One of

them told me recently that he saw a VCO seller in another country selling RBD

oil with the label " Virgin Coconut Oil " . In the Philippines, there are National

Standards of quality for VCO, hereunder a copy of a summary of these

requirements ( from http://www.fnri.dost.gov.ph/nutrinet/pnsforvco.htm) :

Here are some excerpts from the PNS for VCO:

· Definition - oil obtained from the fresh, mature kernel of coconut by

mechanical or natural means, with or without the use of heat, without undergoing

chemical refining, bleaching or deodorizing and which does not lead to the

alteration of the nature of the oil. VCO is an oil which is suitable for

consumption without the need for further processing. VCO consists mainly of

medium chain triglycerides (MCT), which are resistant to peroxidation. The

unsaturated fatty acids in VCO are distinct from animal fats, the latter

consisting mainly of long chain saturated fatty acids.

· Gas Liquid Chromatography (GLC) ranges of fatty acid composition should

be in accordance with Table 1.

Table 1. - Gas Liquid Chromatography Range of Fatty Acid Composition

Common Name Composition Percentage

(%) Composition Percentage (%)

Caproic acid

Caprylic acid

Capric acid

Lauric acid

Myristic acid

Palmitic acid

Palmitoleic acid

Stearic acid

Oleic acid

Linoleic acid

Linolenic acid C 6:0

C 8:0

C 10:0

C 12:0

C 14:0

C 16:0

C 16.1

C 18:0

C 18:1

C 18:2

C 18:3

C 24: ND - 0.7

4.6 - 10.0

5.0 - 8.0

45.1- 53.2

16.8 - 21

7.5 - 10.2

ND

2.0 - 4.0

5.0 - 10.0

1.0 - 2.5

ND - 0.2

ND

NOTE: ND means non-detectable

a.. Hygiene: It is recommended that the product covered by the

provisions of this standard shall be in accordance with the appropriate Sections

of the General Principle of Food Hygiene recommended by Codex Alimentarius

Commission (CAC/RCP 1-1969, Rev, 3-1997).

a.. Labelling: The label of each package shall have the following

information:

1. Name of product: " Virgin coconut oil "

2. Brand name of trade name

3. Net content

4. Lot identification

5. Name and address of the manufacturer and/ or packer, or

distributor

6. The phrase " Product of the Philippines "

7. Type of Process

8. Date manufactured and " Best Before "

9. BFAD registration number and bar code (optional)

b.. Methods of analysis and sampling:

- Determination of fatty acid composition - according to

International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) 2. 301, 2. 302 and 2.

304 or ISO 5508:1999 and ISO 5509:1999.

- Determination of iodine value - According to IUPAC 2.205/1, Wijs

method or ISO 3961:1996, Hanus Method, AOAC 920.158. Results are expressed as %

m/m absorbed iodine

a.. Compliance and specification: When found to comply with the

requirements specified in this Philippine Standard Specification, the lot, the

batch, or the consignment from which the samples have been drawn, shall be

deemed to comply with this Philippine National Standard Specification and shall

be provided with the Philippine Standard (PS) mark.

a.. Quality Characteristics: Color, odor and taste. VCO should be

colorless, sediment free, with natural fresh coconut scent and free from rancid

odors or tastes.

b.. VCO should conform to the following property requirements:

Properties Specification (%max)

Moisture and volatile content 0.20

Free fatty acids (expressed as lauric) 0.20

Peroxide value 3.0 meq/kg oil, max

Food Additives

Contaminants - none permitted

Matter volatile at 105oC, (%max)

Heavy Metals (mg/kg, max)

Iron (Fe) 5.0

Copper (Cu) 0.40

Lead (Pb) 0.10

Arsenic (As) 0.10

Not sure other countries established such standards zarranting the quality

of the products sold locally or exported.

Let me tell you : a few weeks ago, an indian company called me, since they

heard that I am exporting VCO to Europe. They proposed me their product, the

price they offered was about THREE TIMES the price you pay to the good producers

in Philippines. I replied that I was not interested since they were by far too

expensive. They called me back the next day, and they made a new offer, cutting

their initial price by 3 to match with the price I pay in Philippines. Is that

serious?

Also I am surprised when I learn in your message that this malaysian

company sells 120 ml bottle for 8 US$......

A 120 ml bottle is just a sample, not something you would buy if you are

convinced by the healing properties of VCO and if you use it daily, right? For 8

US$, you can get by far more than a sample!! Don' t forget that the most

accurate way to use the VCO is to replace part or all of your dietary fats by

VCO!! So, buy it rather by the Gallon!

The Filipinos producers are selling their oil at a normal rate, there is

little difference of price between the various producers.It is not an accident

if the statistics of production of VCo in the Philippines, show an increase from

0.8 tons produced in 2001 up to 3000 tons produced in 2005!!!!! The

international markets recognized the high quality of Filipino VCO. And also:

clinical studies are awfully expensive, and about coconut studies, there is

still a lot to do; who would sponsor the research if not strong, healthy and

wise producers? Also, lets concentrate the ressources in the hands of these who

were originating the current VCO trend. They work also for our future.

s T.

quality of Malaysian VCOs?

Hello, all,

I followed up on the seller's advert here for Malaysian VCO

(areiki_lady@... is the e-mail address). They are currently

selling Malaysian-source VCO for 30 ringgit (about 8 USD) for 120 ml.

The particular brand is Navico by Sambu Group.

That's significantly more expensive than the Philippine oils (even

WFN's expeller oil), but the seller says that the Malaysian oils are of

different quality. Malaysian companies standardly sell VCO at this

price and size: anyone know what the " different quality " is to warrant

folks buying it rather than the Philippine oil?

Anyone tried this oil, or other Malaysian oils, and have anything to

say contrasting with the Philippine ones?

Cheers,

Ann in Malaysia

[Guest guest]

Mr s T.

Have you tried VCO from Malaysia, Indonesia, India and Thailand?

I shall forward your comments below to some of these producers. It will be

interesting to read their response.

regards

getehem <getehem@...> wrote: Hi,

How could a malaysian VCO be different from a VCO from the Philippines?

Philippines are the country of VCO, all the researchers involved in scientific

studies about VCO features and benefits were and are still Filipinos ( In

Philippines or elsewhere....).

The recent story of success of VCO encouraged some other countries where

coconuts are growing to join the train and to produce their own VCO. Good.

However, I still prefer to relay on VCO from the Philippines for several

reasons:

1) there are in the Philippines 140 producers of VCO, most of them are rather

small, but they are very concerned about the quality of their products. One of

them told me recently that he saw a VCO seller in another country selling RBD

oil with the label " Virgin Coconut Oil " . In the Philippines, there are National

Standards of quality for VCO, hereunder a copy of a summary of these

requirements ( from http://www.fnri.dost.gov.ph/nutrinet/pnsforvco.htm) :

Here are some excerpts from the PNS for VCO:

� Definition - oil obtained from the fresh, mature kernel of coconut by

mechanical or natural means, with or without the use of heat, without undergoing

chemical refining, bleaching or deodorizing and which does not lead to the

alteration of the nature of the oil. VCO is an oil which is suitable for

consumption without the need for further processing. VCO consists mainly of

medium chain triglycerides (MCT), which are resistant to peroxidation. The

unsaturated fatty acids in VCO are distinct from animal fats, the latter

consisting mainly of long chain saturated fatty acids.

� Gas Liquid Chromatography (GLC) ranges of fatty acid composition

should be in accordance with Table 1.

Table 1. - Gas Liquid Chromatography Range of Fatty Acid

Composition

Common Name Composition Percentage

(%) Composition Percentage (%)

Caproic acid

Caprylic acid

Capric acid

Lauric acid

Myristic acid

Palmitic acid

Palmitoleic acid

Stearic acid

Oleic acid

Linoleic acid

Linolenic acid C 6:0

C 8:0

C 10:0

C 12:0

C 14:0

C 16:0

C 16.1

C 18:0

C 18:1

C 18:2

C 18:3

C 24: ND - 0.7

4.6 - 10.0

5.0 - 8.0

45.1- 53.2

16.8 - 21

7.5 - 10.2

ND

2.0 - 4.0

5.0 - 10.0

1.0 - 2.5

ND - 0.2

ND

NOTE: ND means non-detectable

a.. Hygiene: It is recommended that the product covered by the

provisions of this standard shall be in accordance with the appropriate Sections

of the General Principle of Food Hygiene recommended by Codex Alimentarius

Commission (CAC/RCP 1-1969, Rev, 3-1997).

a.. Labelling: The label of each package shall have the following

information:

1. Name of product: " Virgin coconut oil "

2. Brand name of trade name

3. Net content

4. Lot identification

5. Name and address of the manufacturer and/ or packer, or

distributor

6. The phrase " Product of the Philippines "

7. Type of Process

8. Date manufactured and " Best Before "

9. BFAD registration number and bar code (optional)

b.. Methods of analysis and sampling:

- Determination of fatty acid composition - according to

International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) 2. 301, 2. 302 and 2.

304 or ISO 5508:1999 and ISO 5509:1999.

- Determination of iodine value - According to IUPAC 2.205/1,

Wijs method or ISO 3961:1996, Hanus Method, AOAC 920.158. Results are expressed

as % m/m absorbed iodine

a.. Compliance and specification: When found to comply with the

requirements specified in this Philippine Standard Specification, the lot, the

batch, or the consignment from which the samples have been drawn, shall be

deemed to comply with this Philippine National Standard Specification and shall

be provided with the Philippine Standard (PS) mark.

a.. Quality Characteristics: Color, odor and taste. VCO should be

colorless, sediment free, with natural fresh coconut scent and free from rancid

odors or tastes.

b.. VCO should conform to the following property requirements:

Properties Specification (%max)

Moisture and volatile content 0.20

Free fatty acids (expressed as lauric) 0.20

Peroxide value 3.0 meq/kg oil, max

Food Additives

Contaminants - none permitted

Matter volatile at 105oC, (%max)

Heavy Metals (mg/kg, max)

Iron (Fe) 5.0

Copper (Cu) 0.40

Lead (Pb) 0.10

Arsenic (As) 0.10

Not sure other countries established such standards zarranting the

quality of the products sold locally or exported.

Let me tell you : a few weeks ago, an indian company called me, since

they heard that I am exporting VCO to Europe. They proposed me their product,

the price they offered was about THREE TIMES the price you pay to the good

producers in Philippines. I replied that I was not interested since they were by

far too expensive. They called me back the next day, and they made a new offer,

cutting their initial price by 3 to match with the price I pay in Philippines.

Is that serious?

Also I am surprised when I learn in your message that this malaysian

company sells 120 ml bottle for 8 US$......

A 120 ml bottle is just a sample, not something you would buy if you are

convinced by the healing properties of VCO and if you use it daily, right? For 8

US$, you can get by far more than a sample!! Don' t forget that the most

accurate way to use the VCO is to replace part or all of your dietary fats by

VCO!! So, buy it rather by the Gallon!

The Filipinos producers are selling their oil at a normal rate, there is

little difference of price between the various producers.It is not an accident

if the statistics of production of VCo in the Philippines, show an increase from

0.8 tons produced in 2001 up to 3000 tons produced in 2005!!!!! The

international markets recognized the high quality of Filipino VCO. And also:

clinical studies are awfully expensive, and about coconut studies, there is

still a lot to do; who would sponsor the research if not strong, healthy and

wise producers? Also, lets concentrate the ressources in the hands of these who

were originating the current VCO trend. They work also for our future.

s T.

quality of Malaysian VCOs?

Hello, all,

I followed up on the seller's advert here for Malaysian VCO

(areiki_lady@... is the e-mail address). They are currently

selling Malaysian-source VCO for 30 ringgit (about 8 USD) for 120 ml.

The particular brand is Navico by Sambu Group.

That's significantly more expensive than the Philippine oils (even

WFN's expeller oil), but the seller says that the Malaysian oils are of

different quality. Malaysian companies standardly sell VCO at this

price and size: anyone know what the " different quality " is to warrant

folks buying it rather than the Philippine oil?

Anyone tried this oil, or other Malaysian oils, and have anything to

say contrasting with the Philippine ones?

Cheers,

Ann in Malaysia

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

Welcome to the group.This is an open forum. Anyone may tell their experieces

with coconut oil . It is not limited to any one country or another. The fact is

that The Philipines is the most active market which is why you may think they

are in charge here.Our Philipine members seem open to promoting global markets

and some sell the machinery to produce VCO.

producers and marketers may add a link in our links section to their websites.

They may talk about their products . We do not allow Spam or rude

behavior.friendly competion is good.

IN NC

A MI <areiki_lady@...> wrote:

Dear Group

I believe this Coconut Oil group comprises of and is managed mainly

by those who support VCO originating from the ines and I am sure you will

give a very objective response to the query from Ann in Malaysia.

I was informed that there are different methods of VCO production:

1) fermentation

2) with enzymes

3) centrifuge method

So is the quality of the VCO produced by all 3 methods the same? Are the raw

material i.e. all the coconuts of the same variety?

Perhaps Bruce Fife might like to respond to this. He was in Singapore under

Sambu Group sponsorship on May19-20 2006.

I am not a manufacturer. The manufacturer has been producing VCO for over 15

years and I was informed their VCO is highly sought after by well known cosmetic

houses in Europe. I suspect the lauric acid in many of the expensive skincare

products could well be VCO from the Sambu Group.

My company - Global HealthCare - distributes wellness products including VCO.

There are several brands of VCO in the Malaysian market but we chose to

distribute NAVICO after our own testing. In fact we were also appraoched by VCO

manufacturers in other countries to represtn them in Malaysia.

Recently, when I queried on quality of the VCO by Sambu Group because a client

requested this for his herbal preparations. I was told by a representative of

the manufacturer that Bruce was happy with the quality.

Incidentally one of my customers is a herbalist practicing Chinese Traditonal

Medicine. He adds carotene and Vit E to this VCO and the formula retails in 2

sizes 150 ml @ RM75 ( $20USD) and 300ml for RM 150.00 which should be about

$40 USD :-)

His customers are mainly those with CVD and they have given great testimonies as

they have managed to go off statins since taking this formula.

For those who are genuinely interested in NAVICO there is product information in

the attachment.

regards

For Global HealthCare

Malaysia

aehend <aehend@...> wrote: Hello, all,

I followed up on the seller's advert here for Malaysian VCO

(areiki_lady@... is the e-mail address). They are currently

selling Malaysian-source VCO for 30 ringgit (about 8 USD) for 120 ml.

The particular brand is Navico by Sambu Group.

That's significantly more expensive than the Philippine oils (even

WFN's expeller oil), but the seller says that the Malaysian oils are of

different quality. Malaysian companies standardly sell VCO at this

price and size: anyone know what the " different quality " is to warrant

folks buying it rather than the Philippine oil?

Anyone tried this oil, or other Malaysian oils, and have anything to

say contrasting with the Philippine ones?

Cheers,

Ann in Malaysia

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks for your information about the prices.

We are also selling VCO an a Competetive price :

INDIAN CENTRIFUGED VCO: $3.5/L.

WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE PRICE.

REGARDS

K SRAO

--- A MI <areiki_lady@...> wrote:

> Mr s T.

>

> Have you tried VCO from Malaysia, Indonesia, India

> and Thailand?

>

> I shall forward your comments below to some of

> these producers. It will be interesting to read

> their response.

>

> regards

>

> getehem <getehem@...> wrote: Hi,

>

> How could a malaysian VCO be different from a VCO

> from the Philippines?

> Philippines are the country of VCO, all the

> researchers involved in scientific studies about VCO

> features and benefits were and are still Filipinos (

> In Philippines or elsewhere....).

> The recent story of success of VCO encouraged some

> other countries where coconuts are growing to join

> the train and to produce their own VCO. Good.

> However, I still prefer to relay on VCO from the

> Philippines for several reasons:

>

> 1) there are in the Philippines 140 producers of

> VCO, most of them are rather small, but they are

> very concerned about the quality of their products.

> One of them told me recently that he saw a VCO

> seller in another country selling RBD oil with the

> label " Virgin Coconut Oil " . In the Philippines,

> there are National Standards of quality for VCO,

> hereunder a copy of a summary of these requirements

> ( from

> http://www.fnri.dost.gov.ph/nutrinet/pnsforvco.htm)

> :

>

> Here are some excerpts from the PNS for VCO:

>

> � Definition - oil obtained from the fresh,

> mature kernel of coconut by mechanical or natural

> means, with or without the use of heat, without

> undergoing chemical refining, bleaching or

> deodorizing and which does not lead to the

> alteration of the nature of the oil. VCO is an oil

> which is suitable for consumption without the need

> for further processing. VCO consists mainly of

> medium chain triglycerides (MCT), which are

> resistant to peroxidation. The unsaturated fatty

> acids in VCO are distinct from animal fats, the

> latter consisting mainly of long chain saturated

> fatty acids.

>

> � Gas Liquid Chromatography (GLC) ranges of

> fatty acid composition should be in accordance with

> Table 1.

>

>

> Table 1. - Gas Liquid Chromatography

> Range of Fatty Acid Composition

>

>

> Common Name Composition

> Percentage

> (%) Composition Percentage (%)

> Caproic acid

> Caprylic acid

> Capric acid

> Lauric acid

> Myristic acid

> Palmitic acid

> Palmitoleic acid

> Stearic acid

> Oleic acid

> Linoleic acid

> Linolenic acid C 6:0

> C 8:0

> C 10:0

> C 12:0

> C 14:0

> C 16:0

> C 16.1

> C 18:0

> C 18:1

> C 18:2

> C 18:3

> C 24: ND - 0.7

> 4.6 - 10.0

> 5.0 - 8.0

> 45.1- 53.2

> 16.8 - 21

> 7.5 - 10.2

> ND

> 2.0 - 4.0

> 5.0 - 10.0

> 1.0 - 2.5

> ND - 0.2

> ND

>

> NOTE: ND means non-detectable

> a.. Hygiene: It is recommended that

> the product covered by the provisions of this

> standard shall be in accordance with the appropriate

> Sections of the General Principle of Food Hygiene

> recommended by Codex Alimentarius Commission

> (CAC/RCP 1-1969, Rev, 3-1997).

> a.. Labelling: The label of each

> package shall have the following information:

> 1. Name of product: " Virgin coconut

> oil "

> 2. Brand name of trade name

> 3. Net content

> 4. Lot identification

> 5. Name and address of the

> manufacturer and/ or packer, or distributor

> 6. The phrase " Product of the

> Philippines "

> 7. Type of Process

> 8. Date manufactured and " Best

> Before "

> 9. BFAD registration number and bar

> code (optional)

>

> b.. Methods of analysis and sampling:

>

>

> - Determination of fatty acid

> composition - according to International Union of

> Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) 2. 301, 2. 302

> and 2. 304 or ISO 5508:1999 and ISO 5509:1999.

>

> - Determination of iodine value -

> According to IUPAC 2.205/1, Wijs method or ISO

> 3961:1996, Hanus Method, AOAC 920.158. Results are

> expressed as % m/m absorbed iodine

> a.. Compliance and specification:

> When found to comply with the requirements specified

> in this Philippine Standard Specification, the lot,

> the batch, or the consignment from which the samples

> have been drawn, shall be deemed to comply with this

> Philippine National Standard Specification and shall

> be provided with the Philippine Standard (PS) mark.

>

> a.. Quality Characteristics: Color,

> odor and taste. VCO should be colorless, sediment

> free, with natural fresh coconut scent and free from

> rancid odors or tastes.

> b.. VCO should conform to the

> following property requirements:

> Properties Specification (%max)

> Moisture and volatile content

> 0.20

> Free fatty acids (expressed as

> lauric) 0.20

> Peroxide value 3.0 meq/kg oil,

> max

> Food Additives

> Contaminants - none permitted

>

> Matter volatile at 105oC, (%max)

>

> Heavy Metals (mg/kg, max)

> Iron (Fe) 5.0

> Copper (Cu) 0.40

> Lead (Pb) 0.10

> Arsenic (As) 0.10

>

>

> Not sure other countries established such

> standards zarranting the quality of the products

> sold locally or exported.

>

> Let me tell you : a few weeks ago, an indian

> company called me, since they heard that I am

> exporting VCO to Europe. They proposed me their

> product, the price they offered was about THREE

> TIMES the price you pay to the good producers in

> Philippines. I replied that I was not interested

> since they were by far too expensive. They called me

> back the next day, and they made a new offer,

> cutting their initial price by 3 to match with the

> price I pay in Philippines. Is that serious?

>

> Also I am surprised when I learn in your

> message that this malaysian company sells 120 ml

> bottle for 8 US$......

> A 120 ml bottle is just a sample, not

> something you would buy if you are convinced by the

> healing properties of VCO and if you use it daily,

> right? For 8 US$, you can get by far more than a

> sample!! Don' t forget that the most accurate way to

> use the VCO is to replace part or all of your

> dietary fats by VCO!! So, buy it rather by the

> Gallon!

>

> The Filipinos producers are selling their oil

> at a normal rate, there is little difference of

> price between the various producers.It is not an

> accident if the statistics of production of VCo in

> the Philippines, show an increase from 0.8 tons

> produced in 2001 up to 3000 tons produced in

> 2005!!!!!

=== message truncated ===

Regards

K Sreenivasa Rao

cell: +91 9846300104.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

But is the " quallity of your oil comparable to the PNS decribed by Mr Geroge T

..

Another thing he said was " Let me tell you : a few weeks ago, an indian

company called me, since they heard that I am > exporting VCO to Europe. They

proposed me their product, the price they offered was about THREE TIMES the

price you pay to the good producers in Philippines. I replied that I was not

interested since they were by far too expensive. They called me back the next

day, and they made a new offer, cutting their initial price by 3 to match with

the price I pay in Philippines. Is that serious? "

So does your price now match Filipino VCO price? :-)

Have you compared oils?

sreenivas rao <sreenivas_vani@...> wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for your information about the prices.

We are also selling VCO an a Competetive price :

INDIAN CENTRIFUGED VCO: $3.5/L.

WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE PRICE.

REGARDS

K SRAO

--- A MI <areiki_lady@...> wrote:

> Mr s T.

>

> Have you tried VCO from Malaysia, Indonesia, India

> and Thailand?

>

> I shall forward your comments below to some of

> these producers. It will be interesting to read

> their response.

>

> regards

>

> getehem <getehem@...> wrote: Hi,

>

> How could a malaysian VCO be different from a VCO

> from the Philippines?

> Philippines are the country of VCO, all the

> researchers involved in scientific studies about VCO

> features and benefits were and are still Filipinos (

> In Philippines or elsewhere....).

> The recent story of success of VCO encouraged some

> other countries where coconuts are growing to join

> the train and to produce their own VCO. Good.

> However, I still prefer to relay on VCO from the

> Philippines for several reasons:

>

> 1) there are in the Philippines 140 producers of

> VCO, most of them are rather small, but they are

> very concerned about the quality of their products.

> One of them told me recently that he saw a VCO

> seller in another country selling RBD oil with the

> label " Virgin Coconut Oil " . In the Philippines,

> there are National Standards of quality for VCO,

> hereunder a copy of a summary of these requirements

> ( from

> http://www.fnri.dost.gov.ph/nutrinet/pnsforvco.htm)

> :

>

> Here are some excerpts from the PNS for VCO:

>

> � Definition - oil obtained from the fresh,

> mature kernel of coconut by mechanical or natural

> means, with or without the use of heat, without

> undergoing chemical refining, bleaching or

> deodorizing and which does not lead to the

> alteration of the nature of the oil. VCO is an oil

> which is suitable for consumption without the need

> for further processing. VCO consists mainly of

> medium chain triglycerides (MCT), which are

> resistant to peroxidation. The unsaturated fatty

> acids in VCO are distinct from animal fats, the

> latter consisting mainly of long chain saturated

> fatty acids.

>

> � Gas Liquid Chromatography (GLC) ranges of

> fatty acid composition should be in accordance with

> Table 1.

>

>

> Table 1. - Gas Liquid Chromatography

> Range of Fatty Acid Composition

>

>

> Common Name Composition

> Percentage

> (%) Composition Percentage (%)

> Caproic acid

> Caprylic acid

> Capric acid

> Lauric acid

> Myristic acid

> Palmitic acid

> Palmitoleic acid

> Stearic acid

> Oleic acid

> Linoleic acid

> Linolenic acid C 6:0

> C 8:0

> C 10:0

> C 12:0

> C 14:0

> C 16:0

> C 16.1

> C 18:0

> C 18:1

> C 18:2

> C 18:3

> C 24: ND - 0.7

> 4.6 - 10.0

> 5.0 - 8.0

> 45.1- 53.2

> 16.8 - 21

> 7.5 - 10.2

> ND

> 2.0 - 4.0

> 5.0 - 10.0

> 1.0 - 2.5

> ND - 0.2

> ND

>

> NOTE: ND means non-detectable

> a.. Hygiene: It is recommended that

> the product covered by the provisions of this

> standard shall be in accordance with the appropriate

> Sections of the General Principle of Food Hygiene

> recommended by Codex Alimentarius Commission

> (CAC/RCP 1-1969, Rev, 3-1997).

> a.. Labelling: The label of each

> package shall have the following information:

> 1. Name of product: " Virgin coconut

> oil "

> 2. Brand name of trade name

> 3. Net content

> 4. Lot identification

> 5. Name and address of the

> manufacturer and/ or packer, or distributor

> 6. The phrase " Product of the

> Philippines "

> 7. Type of Process

> 8. Date manufactured and " Best

> Before "

> 9. BFAD registration number and bar

> code (optional)

>

> b.. Methods of analysis and sampling:

>

>

> - Determination of fatty acid

> composition - according to International Union of

> Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) 2. 301, 2. 302

> and 2. 304 or ISO 5508:1999 and ISO 5509:1999.

>

> - Determination of iodine value -

> According to IUPAC 2.205/1, Wijs method or ISO

> 3961:1996, Hanus Method, AOAC 920.158. Results are

> expressed as % m/m absorbed iodine

> a.. Compliance and specification:

> When found to comply with the requirements specified

> in this Philippine Standard Specification, the lot,

> the batch, or the consignment from which the samples

> have been drawn, shall be deemed to comply with this

> Philippine National Standard Specification and shall

> be provided with the Philippine Standard (PS) mark.

>

> a.. Quality Characteristics: Color,

> odor and taste. VCO should be colorless, sediment

> free, with natural fresh coconut scent and free from

> rancid odors or tastes.

> b.. VCO should conform to the

> following property requirements:

> Properties Specification (%max)

> Moisture and volatile content

> 0.20

> Free fatty acids (expressed as

> lauric) 0.20

> Peroxide value 3.0 meq/kg oil,

> max

> Food Additives

> Contaminants - none permitted

>

> Matter volatile at 105oC, (%max)

>

> Heavy Metals (mg/kg, max)

> Iron (Fe) 5.0

> Copper (Cu) 0.40

> Lead (Pb) 0.10

> Arsenic (As) 0.10

>

>

> Not sure other countries established such

> standards zarranting the quality of the products

> sold locally or exported.

>

>

Another thing Mr T said this

>

> Also I am surprised when I learn in your

> message that this malaysian company sells 120 ml

> bottle for 8 US$......

> A 120 ml bottle is just a sample, not

> something you would buy if you are convinced by the

> healing properties of VCO and if you use it daily,

> right? For 8 US$, you can get by far more than a

> sample!! Don' t forget that the most accurate way to

> use the VCO is to replace part or all of your

> dietary fats by VCO!! So, buy it rather by the

> Gallon!

>

> The Filipinos producers are selling their oil

> at a normal rate, there is little difference of

> price between the various producers.It is not an

> accident if the statistics of production of VCo in

> the Philippines, show an increase from 0.8 tons

> produced in 2001 up to 3000 tons produced in

> 2005!!!!!

=== message truncated ===

Regards

K Sreenivasa Rao

cell: +91 9846300104.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

But you didn't mention your MOQ................

sreenivas rao <sreenivas_vani@...> wrote: Hi,

Thanks for your information about the prices.

We are also selling VCO an a Competetive price :

INDIAN CENTRIFUGED VCO: $3.5/L.

WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE PRICE.

REGARDS

K SRAO

--- A MI <areiki_lady@...> wrote:

> Mr s T.

>

> Have you tried VCO from Malaysia, Indonesia, India

> and Thailand?

>

> I shall forward your comments below to some of

> these producers. It will be interesting to read

> their response.

>

> regards

>

> getehem <getehem@...> wrote: Hi,

>

> How could a malaysian VCO be different from a VCO

> from the Philippines?

> Philippines are the country of VCO, all the

> researchers involved in scientific studies about VCO

> features and benefits were and are still Filipinos (

> In Philippines or elsewhere....).

> The recent story of success of VCO encouraged some

> other countries where coconuts are growing to join

> the train and to produce their own VCO. Good.

> However, I still prefer to relay on VCO from the

> Philippines for several reasons:

>

> 1) there are in the Philippines 140 producers of

> VCO, most of them are rather small, but they are

> very concerned about the quality of their products.

> One of them told me recently that he saw a VCO

> seller in another country selling RBD oil with the

> label " Virgin Coconut Oil " . In the Philippines,

> there are National Standards of quality for VCO,

> hereunder a copy of a summary of these requirements

> ( from

> http://www.fnri.dost.gov.ph/nutrinet/pnsforvco.htm)

> :

>

> Here are some excerpts from the PNS for VCO:

>

> � Definition - oil obtained from the fresh,

> mature kernel of coconut by mechanical or natural

> means, with or without the use of heat, without

> undergoing chemical refining, bleaching or

> deodorizing and which does not lead to the

> alteration of the nature of the oil. VCO is an oil

> which is suitable for consumption without the need

> for further processing. VCO consists mainly of

> medium chain triglycerides (MCT), which are

> resistant to peroxidation. The unsaturated fatty

> acids in VCO are distinct from animal fats, the

> latter consisting mainly of long chain saturated

> fatty acids.

>

> � Gas Liquid Chromatography (GLC) ranges of

> fatty acid composition should be in accordance with

> Table 1.

>

>

> Table 1. - Gas Liquid Chromatography

> Range of Fatty Acid Composition

>

>

> Common Name Composition

> Percentage

> (%) Composition Percentage (%)

> Caproic acid

> Caprylic acid

> Capric acid

> Lauric acid

> Myristic acid

> Palmitic acid

> Palmitoleic acid

> Stearic acid

> Oleic acid

> Linoleic acid

> Linolenic acid C 6:0

> C 8:0

> C 10:0

> C 12:0

> C 14:0

> C 16:0

> C 16.1

> C 18:0

> C 18:1

> C 18:2

> C 18:3

> C 24: ND - 0.7

> 4.6 - 10.0

> 5.0 - 8.0

> 45.1- 53.2

> 16.8 - 21

> 7.5 - 10.2

> ND

> 2.0 - 4.0

> 5.0 - 10.0

> 1.0 - 2.5

> ND - 0.2

> ND

>

> NOTE: ND means non-detectable

> a.. Hygiene: It is recommended that

> the product covered by the provisions of this

> standard shall be in accordance with the appropriate

> Sections of the General Principle of Food Hygiene

> recommended by Codex Alimentarius Commission

> (CAC/RCP 1-1969, Rev, 3-1997).

> a.. Labelling: The label of each

> package shall have the following information:

> 1. Name of product: " Virgin coconut

> oil "

> 2. Brand name of trade name

> 3. Net content

> 4. Lot identification

> 5. Name and address of the

> manufacturer and/ or packer, or distributor

> 6. The phrase " Product of the

> Philippines "

> 7. Type of Process

> 8. Date manufactured and " Best

> Before "

> 9. BFAD registration number and bar

> code (optional)

>

> b.. Methods of analysis and sampling:

>

>

> - Determination of fatty acid

> composition - according to International Union of

> Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) 2. 301, 2. 302

> and 2. 304 or ISO 5508:1999 and ISO 5509:1999.

>

> - Determination of iodine value -

> According to IUPAC 2.205/1, Wijs method or ISO

> 3961:1996, Hanus Method, AOAC 920.158. Results are

> expressed as % m/m absorbed iodine

> a.. Compliance and specification:

> When found to comply with the requirements specified

> in this Philippine Standard Specification, the lot,

> the batch, or the consignment from which the samples

> have been drawn, shall be deemed to comply with this

> Philippine National Standard Specification and shall

> be provided with the Philippine Standard (PS) mark.

>

> a.. Quality Characteristics: Color,

> odor and taste. VCO should be colorless, sediment

> free, with natural fresh coconut scent and free from

> rancid odors or tastes.

> b.. VCO should conform to the

> following property requirements:

> Properties Specification (%max)

> Moisture and volatile content

> 0.20

> Free fatty acids (expressed as

> lauric) 0.20

> Peroxide value 3.0 meq/kg oil,

> max

> Food Additives

> Contaminants - none permitted

>

> Matter volatile at 105oC, (%max)

>

> Heavy Metals (mg/kg, max)

> Iron (Fe) 5.0

> Copper (Cu) 0.40

> Lead (Pb) 0.10

> Arsenic (As) 0.10

>

>

> Not sure other countries established such

> standards zarranting the quality of the products

> sold locally or exported.

>

> Let me tell you : a few weeks ago, an indian

> company called me, since they heard that I am

> exporting VCO to Europe. They proposed me their

> product, the price they offered was about THREE

> TIMES the price you pay to the good producers in

> Philippines. I replied that I was not interested

> since they were by far too expensive. They called me

> back the next day, and they made a new offer,

> cutting their initial price by 3 to match with the

> price I pay in Philippines. Is that serious?

>

> Also I am surprised when I learn in your

> message that this malaysian company sells 120 ml

> bottle for 8 US$......

> A 120 ml bottle is just a sample, not

> something you would buy if you are convinced by the

> healing properties of VCO and if you use it daily,

> right? For 8 US$, you can get by far more than a

> sample!! Don' t forget that the most accurate way to

> use the VCO is to replace part or all of your

> dietary fats by VCO!! So, buy it rather by the

> Gallon!

>

> The Filipinos producers are selling their oil

> at a normal rate, there is little difference of

> price between the various producers.It is not an

> accident if the statistics of production of VCo in

> the Philippines, show an increase from 0.8 tons

> produced in 2001 up to 3000 tons produced in

> 2005!!!!!

=== message truncated ===

Regards

K Sreenivasa Rao

cell: +91 9846300104.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

with everything being said, this thread kind of

reminds me of pearls, the south sea pearls in

particular.

golden south sea pearls are considered the most

exquisite of all pearls. The biggest producers of

south sea pearls are Australia (the silvery kind),

Indonesia and the Philippines. The golden south sea

pearls are considere the rarest (and most highly

priced) are found mainly in the waters of Philippines

and Indonesia. A lot of other countries are now

producing pearls. But they are not the south sea

pearls. South sea pearls are south sea pearls because

of the environment where they are farmed.

I am actually waiting for an Indonesian vco more than

anything else, to come out cause they are the biggest

source of coconuts just because Indonesia is really a

larger country than the Philippines (though the

biggest producer of coconut oil is the Philippines).

LOL we have never compared ourselves with each other

(people of South East Asia)! We kind of thought we

were the same, felt the same and goodness, we also

look the same! We were together through thick and thin

regardless of differences (which we already know but

that didnt bother us that much)

I guess the only thing different is who has more

volcanoes and who gets more earthquakes. I bet, it's

again a toss between the Philippines and Indonesia

where volcanic eruptions and earthquakes are a regular

occurrence. Just a thought, don't you think we are

paying too high a price for the pearls and the

coconut? (For the coconut, it better be enjoyed and

useful to the whole world)

My thoughts and prayers to our Indonesian brothers and

sisters,

redPanda17

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I was not intending to claim that Indonesia or Malaysia or whatever country with

coconuts could not reach a good quality of production. According to the

different sources of coconut oil, the content in Lauric Acid can vary, but

usually the sum of lauric acid + other middle chains fatty acids remains somehow

similar everywhere.

Also the production processes are similar.

So, why should the quality be different?

All what I was trying to explain is that, in the same way as Malaysia is without

any doubt a better producer of palm oil than the Philippines, the Philippines

are also a better producer of VCO than Malaysia.

And since the price of 8 US$/ 120 ml is clearly abusive, why to bother trying to

work with alternative producers, since we can get plenty of the best oil for a

normal price in the Philippines?

And, mr Srao, your price is correct. What about the quantity? 200 liters drums?

Send me detailed information, you sent me a mail few weeks ago, but not

informative at all.

s T.

Re: quality of Malaysian VCOs?

with everything being said, this thread kind of

reminds me of pearls, the south sea pearls in

particular.

golden south sea pearls are considered the most

exquisite of all pearls. The biggest producers of

south sea pearls are Australia (the silvery kind),

Indonesia and the Philippines. The golden south sea

pearls are considere the rarest (and most highly

priced) are found mainly in the waters of Philippines

and Indonesia. A lot of other countries are now

producing pearls. But they are not the south sea

pearls. South sea pearls are south sea pearls because

of the environment where they are farmed.

I am actually waiting for an Indonesian vco more than

anything else, to come out cause they are the biggest

source of coconuts just because Indonesia is really a

larger country than the Philippines (though the

biggest producer of coconut oil is the Philippines).

LOL we have never compared ourselves with each other

(people of South East Asia)! We kind of thought we

were the same, felt the same and goodness, we also

look the same! We were together through thick and thin

regardless of differences (which we already know but

that didnt bother us that much)

I guess the only thing different is who has more

volcanoes and who gets more earthquakes. I bet, it's

again a toss between the Philippines and Indonesia

where volcanic eruptions and earthquakes are a regular

occurrence. Just a thought, don't you think we are

paying too high a price for the pearls and the

coconut? (For the coconut, it better be enjoyed and

useful to the whole world)

My thoughts and prayers to our Indonesian brothers and

sisters,

redPanda17

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi,

We can supply Centrifuged VCO @ 3.4/L, FOB.

The Moisture is 0.05%

This is the best any one can supply in the

International market. If you are interested to deal i

can send the full technical COA report.

In the last Exibition at Goa, Mr.Rathinam, APCC

President is apraised about the quality.

Pls let us know your interest.

RAO

--- A MI <areiki_lady@...> wrote:

> But is the " quallity of your oil comparable to the

> PNS decribed by Mr Geroge T .

>

> Another thing he said was " Let me tell you : a few

> weeks ago, an indian

> company called me, since they heard that I am >

> exporting VCO to Europe. They proposed me their

> product, the price they offered was about THREE

> TIMES the price you pay to the good producers in

> Philippines. I repid that I was not interested

> since they were by far too expensive. They called me

> back the next day, and they made a new offer,

> cutting their initial price by 3 to match with the

> price I pay in Philippines. Is that serious? "

>

> So does your price now match Filipino VCO price?

> :-)

>

>

> Have you compared oils?

>

>

> sreenivas rao <sreenivas_vani@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Thanks for your information about the prices.

> We are also selling VCO an a Competetive price :

> INDIAN CENTRIFUGED VCO: $3.5/L.

>

> WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE PRICE.

>

> REGARDS

> K SRAO

>

> --- A MI <areiki_lady@...> wrote:

>

> > Mr s T.

> >

> > Have you tried VCO from Malaysia, Indonesia, India

>

> > and Thailand?

> >

> > I shall forward your comments below to some of

> > these producers. It will be interesting to read

> > their response.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > getehem <getehem@...> wrote: Hi,

> >

> > How could a malaysian VCO be different from a VCO

> > from the Philippines?

> > Philippines are the country of VCO, all the

> > researchers involved in scientific studies about

> VCO

> > features and benefits were and are still Filipinos

> (

> > In Philippines or elsewhere....).

> > The recent story of success of VCO encouraged

> some

> > other countries where coconuts are growing to join

> > the train and to produce their own VCO. Good.

> > However, I still prefer to relay on VCO from the

> > Philippines for several reasons:

> >

> > 1) there are in the Philippines 140 producers of

> > VCO, most of them are rather small, but they are

> > very concerned about the quality of their

> products.

> > One of them told me recently that he saw a VCO

> > seller in another country selling RBD oil with the

> > label " Virgin Coconut Oil " . In the Philippines,

> > there are National Standards of quality for VCO,

> > hereunder a copy of a summary of these

> requirements

> > ( from

> >

> http://www.fnri.dost.gov.ph/nutrinet/pnsforvco.htm)

> > :

> >

> > Here are some excerpts from the PNS for VCO:

> >

> > � Definition - oil obtained from the

> fresh,

> > mature kernel of coconut by mechanical or natural

> > means, with or without the use of heat, without

> > undergoing chemical refining, bleaching or

> > deodorizing and which does not lead to the

> > alteration of the nature of the oil. VCO is an oil

> > which is suitable for consumption without the need

> > for further processing. VCO consists mainly of

> > medium chain triglycerides (MCT), which are

> > resistant to peroxidation. The unsaturated fatty

> > acids in VCO are distinct from animal fats, the

> > latter consisting mainly of long chain saturated

> > fatty acids.

> >

> > � Gas Liquid Chromatography (GLC) ranges

> of

> > fatty acid composition should be in accordance

> with

> > Table 1.

> >

> >

> > Table 1. - Gas Liquid Chromatography

> > Range of Fatty Acid Composition

> >

> >

> > Common Name Composition

> > Percentage

> > (%) Composition Percentage (%)

>

> > Caproic acid

> > Caprylic acid

> > Capric acid

> > Lauric acid

> > Myristic acid

> > Palmitic acid

> > Palmitoleic acid

> > Stearic acid

> > Oleic acid

> > Linoleic acid

> > Linolenic acid C 6:0

> > C 8:0

> > C 10:0

> > C 12:0

> > C 14:0

> > C 16:0

> > C 16.1

> > C 18:0

> > C 18:1

> > C 18:2

> > C 18:3

> > C 24: ND - 0.7

> > 4.6 - 10.0

> > 5.0 - 8.0

> > 45.1- 53.2

> > 16.8 - 21

> > 7.5 - 10.2

> > ND

> > 2.0 - 4.0

> > 5.0 - 10.0

> > 1.0 - 2.5

> > ND - 0.2

> > ND

> >

> > NOTE: ND means non-detectable

> > a.. Hygiene: It is recommended that

> > the product covered by the provisions of this

> > standard shall be in accordance with the

> appropriate

> > Sections of the General Principle of Food Hygiene

> > recommended by Codex Alimentarius Commission

> > (CAC/RCP 1-1969, Rev, 3-1997).

> > a.. Labelling: The label of each

> > package shall have the following information:

> > 1. Name of product: " Virgin

> coconut

> > oil "

> > 2. Brand name of trade name

> > 3. Net content

> > 4. Lot identification

> > 5. Name and address of the

> > manufacturer and/ or packer, or distributor

> > 6. The phrase " Product of the

> > Philippines "

> > 7. Type of Process

> > 8. Date manufactured and " Best

> > Before "

> > 9. BFAD registration number and

> bar

> > code (optional)

> >

> > b.. Methods of analysis and

> sampling:

> >

> >

> > - Determination of fatty acid

> > composition - according to International Union of

> > Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) 2. 301, 2. 302

> > and 2. 304 or ISO 5508:1999 and ISO 5509:1999.

> >

> > - Determination of iodine value -

> > According to IUPAC 2.205/1, Wijs method or ISO

> > 3961:1996, Hanus Method, AOAC 920.158. Results are

> > expressed as % m/m absorbed iodine

> > a.. Compliance and specification:

> > When found to comply with the requirements

> specified

> > in this Philippine Standard Specification, the

> lot,

> > the batch, or the consignment from which the

> samples

> > have been drawn, shall be deemed to comply with

> this

> > Philippine National Standard Specification and

> shall

> > be provided with the Philippine Standard (PS)

> mark.

> >

> > a.. Quality Characteristics: Color,

>

=== message truncated ===

Regards

K Sreenivasa Rao

cell: +91 9846300104.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I am interested in that. Please let me have one. I am a Koran.

sreenivas rao <sreenivas_vani@...> wrote: Hi,

We can supply Centrifuged VCO @ 3.4/L, FOB.

The Moisture is 0.05%

This is the best any one can supply in the

International market. If you are interested to deal i

can send the full technical COA report.

In the last Exibition at Goa, Mr.Rathinam, APCC

President is apraised about the quality.

Pls let us know your interest.

RAO

--- A MI <areiki_lady@...> wrote:

> But is the " quallity of your oil comparable to the

> PNS decribed by Mr Geroge T .

>

> Another thing he said was " Let me tell you : a few

> weeks ago, an indian

> company called me, since they heard that I am >

> exporting VCO to Europe. They proposed me their

> product, the price they offered was about THREE

> TIMES the price you pay to the good producers in

> Philippines. I repid that I was not interested

> since they were by far too expensive. They called me

> back the next day, and they made a new offer,

> cutting their initial price by 3 to match with the

> price I pay in Philippines. Is that serious? "

>

> So does your price now match Filipino VCO price?

> :-)

>

>

> Have you compared oils?

>

>

> sreenivas rao <sreenivas_vani@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Thanks for your information about the prices.

> We are also selling VCO an a Competetive price :

> INDIAN CENTRIFUGED VCO: $3.5/L.

>

> WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE PRICE.

>

> REGARDS

> K SRAO

>

> --- A MI <areiki_lady@...> wrote:

>

> > Mr s T.

> >

> > Have you tried VCO from Malaysia, Indonesia, India

>

> > and Thailand?

> >

> > I shall forward your comments below to some of

> > these producers. It will be interesting to read

> > their response.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > getehem <getehem@...> wrote: Hi,

> >

> > How could a malaysian VCO be different from a VCO

> > from the Philippines?

> > Philippines are the country of VCO, all the

> > researchers involved in scientific studies about

> VCO

> > features and benefits were and are still Filipinos

> (

> > In Philippines or elsewhere....).

> > The recent story of success of VCO encouraged

> some

> > other countries where coconuts are growing to join

> > the train and to produce their own VCO. Good.

> > However, I still prefer to relay on VCO from the

> > Philippines for several reasons:

> >

> > 1) there are in the Philippines 140 producers of

> > VCO, most of them are rather small, but they are

> > very concerned about the quality of their

> products.

> > One of them told me recently that he saw a VCO

> > seller in another country selling RBD oil with the

> > label " Virgin Coconut Oil " . In the Philippines,

> > there are National Standards of quality for VCO,

> > hereunder a copy of a summary of these

> requirements

> > ( from

> >

> http://www.fnri.dost.gov.ph/nutrinet/pnsforvco.htm)

> > :

> >

> > Here are some excerpts from the PNS for VCO:

> >

> > ï¿?Definition - oil obtained from the

> fresh,

> > mature kernel of coconut by mechanical or natural

> > means, with or without the use of heat, without

> > undergoing chemical refining, bleaching or

> > deodorizing and which does not lead to the

> > alteration of the nature of the oil. VCO is an oil

> > which is suitable for consumption without the need

> > for further processing. VCO consists mainly of

> > medium chain triglycerides (MCT), which are

> > resistant to peroxidation. The unsaturated fatty

> > acids in VCO are distinct from animal fats, the

> > latter consisting mainly of long chain saturated

> > fatty acids.

> >

> > ï¿?Gas Liquid Chromatography (GLC) ranges

> of

> > fatty acid composition should be in accordance

> with

> > Table 1.

> >

> >

> > Table 1. - Gas Liquid Chromatography

> > Range of Fatty Acid Composition

> >

> >

> > Common Name Composition

> > Percentage

> > (%) Composition Percentage (%)

>

> > Caproic acid

> > Caprylic acid

> > Capric acid

> > Lauric acid

> > Myristic acid

> > Palmitic acid

> > Palmitoleic acid

> > Stearic acid

> > Oleic acid

> > Linoleic acid

> > Linolenic acid C 6:0

> > C 8:0

> > C 10:0

> > C 12:0

> > C 14:0

> > C 16:0

> > C 16.1

> > C 18:0

> > C 18:1

> > C 18:2

> > C 18:3

> > C 24: ND - 0.7

> > 4.6 - 10.0

> > 5.0 - 8.0

> > 45.1- 53.2

> > 16.8 - 21

> > 7.5 - 10.2

> > ND

> > 2.0 - 4.0

> > 5.0 - 10.0

> > 1.0 - 2.5

> > ND - 0.2

> > ND

> >

> > NOTE: ND means non-detectable

> > a.. Hygiene: It is recommended that

> > the product covered by the provisions of this

> > standard shall be in accordance with the

> appropriate

> > Sections of the General Principle of Food Hygiene

> > recommended by Codex Alimentarius Commission

> > (CAC/RCP 1-1969, Rev, 3-1997).

> > a.. Labelling: The label of each

> > package shall have the following information:

> > 1. Name of product: " Virgin

> coconut

> > oil "

> > 2. Brand name of trade name

> > 3. Net content

> > 4. Lot identification

> > 5. Name and address of the

> > manufacturer and/ or packer, or distributor

> > 6. The phrase " Product of the

> > Philippines "

> > 7. Type of Process

> > 8. Date manufactured and " Best

> > Before "

> > 9. BFAD registration number and

> bar

> > code (optional)

> >

> > b.. Methods of analysis and

> sampling:

> >

> >

> > - Determination of fatty acid

> > composition - according to International Union of

> > Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) 2. 301, 2. 302

> > and 2. 304 or ISO 5508:1999 and ISO 5509:1999.

> >

> > - Determination of iodine value -

> > According to IUPAC 2.205/1, Wijs method or ISO

> > 3961:1996, Hanus Method, AOAC 920.158. Results are

> > expressed as % m/m absorbed iodine

> > a.. Compliance and specification:

> > When found to comply with the requirements

> specified

> > in this Philippine Standard Specification, the

> lot,

> > the batch, or the consignment from which the

> samples

> > have been drawn, shall be deemed to comply with

> this

> > Philippine National Standard Specification and

> shall

> > be provided with the Philippine Standard (PS)

> mark.

> >

> > a.. Quality Characteristics: Color,

>

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Regards

K Sreenivasa Rao

cell: +91 9846300104.

__________________________________________________

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Please send it to us.

sreenivas rao <sreenivas_vani@...> wrote: Hi,

We can supply Centrifuged VCO @ 3.4/L, FOB.

The Moisture is 0.05%

This is the best any one can supply in the

International market. If you are interested to deal i

can send the full technical COA report.

In the last Exibition at Goa, Mr.Rathinam, APCC

President is apraised about the quality.

Pls let us know your interest.

RAO

--- A MI <areiki_lady@...> wrote:

> But is the " quallity of your oil comparable to the

> PNS decribed by Mr Geroge T .

>

> Another thing he said was " Let me tell you : a few

> weeks ago, an indian

> company called me, since they heard that I am >

> exporting VCO to Europe. They proposed me their

> product, the price they offered was about THREE

> TIMES the price you pay to the good producers in

> Philippines. I repid that I was not interested

> since they were by far too expensive. They called me

> back the next day, and they made a new offer,

> cutting their initial price by 3 to match with the

> price I pay in Philippines. Is that serious? "

>

> So does your price now match Filipino VCO price?

> :-)

>

>

> Have you compared oils?

>

>

> sreenivas rao <sreenivas_vani@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Thanks for your information about the prices.

> We are also selling VCO an a Competetive price :

> INDIAN CENTRIFUGED VCO: $3.5/L.

>

> WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE PRICE.

>

> REGARDS

> K SRAO

>

> --- A MI <areiki_lady@...> wrote:

>

> > Mr s T.

> >

> > Have you tried VCO from Malaysia, Indonesia, India

>

> > and Thailand?

> >

> > I shall forward your comments below to some of

> > these producers. It will be interesting to read

> > their response.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > getehem <getehem@...> wrote: Hi,

> >

> > How could a malaysian VCO be different from a VCO

> > from the Philippines?

> > Philippines are the country of VCO, all the

> > researchers involved in scientific studies about

> VCO

> > features and benefits were and are still Filipinos

> (

> > In Philippines or elsewhere....).

> > The recent story of success of VCO encouraged

> some

> > other countries where coconuts are growing to join

> > the train and to produce their own VCO. Good.

> > However, I still prefer to relay on VCO from the

> > Philippines for several reasons:

> >

> > 1) there are in the Philippines 140 producers of

> > VCO, most of them are rather small, but they are

> > very concerned about the quality of their

> products.

> > One of them told me recently that he saw a VCO

> > seller in another country selling RBD oil with the

> > label " Virgin Coconut Oil " . In the Philippines,

> > there are National Standards of quality for VCO,

> > hereunder a copy of a summary of these

> requirements

> > ( from

> >

> http://www.fnri.dost.gov.ph/nutrinet/pnsforvco.htm)

> > :

> >

> > Here are some excerpts from the PNS for VCO:

> >

> > ï¿?Definition - oil obtained from the

> fresh,

> > mature kernel of coconut by mechanical or natural

> > means, with or without the use of heat, without

> > undergoing chemical refining, bleaching or

> > deodorizing and which does not lead to the

> > alteration of the nature of the oil. VCO is an oil

> > which is suitable for consumption without the need

> > for further processing. VCO consists mainly of

> > medium chain triglycerides (MCT), which are

> > resistant to peroxidation. The unsaturated fatty

> > acids in VCO are distinct from animal fats, the

> > latter consisting mainly of long chain saturated

> > fatty acids.

> >

> > ï¿?Gas Liquid Chromatography (GLC) ranges

> of

> > fatty acid composition should be in accordance

> with

> > Table 1.

> >

> >

> > Table 1. - Gas Liquid Chromatography

> > Range of Fatty Acid Composition

> >

> >

> > Common Name Composition

> > Percentage

> > (%) Composition Percentage (%)

>

> > Caproic acid

> > Caprylic acid

> > Capric acid

> > Lauric acid

> > Myristic acid

> > Palmitic acid

> > Palmitoleic acid

> > Stearic acid

> > Oleic acid

> > Linoleic acid

> > Linolenic acid C 6:0

> > C 8:0

> > C 10:0

> > C 12:0

> > C 14:0

> > C 16:0

> > C 16.1

> > C 18:0

> > C 18:1

> > C 18:2

> > C 18:3

> > C 24: ND - 0.7

> > 4.6 - 10.0

> > 5.0 - 8.0

> > 45.1- 53.2

> > 16.8 - 21

> > 7.5 - 10.2

> > ND

> > 2.0 - 4.0

> > 5.0 - 10.0

> > 1.0 - 2.5

> > ND - 0.2

> > ND

> >

> > NOTE: ND means non-detectable

> > a.. Hygiene: It is recommended that

> > the product covered by the provisions of this

> > standard shall be in accordance with the

> appropriate

> > Sections of the General Principle of Food Hygiene

> > recommended by Codex Alimentarius Commission

> > (CAC/RCP 1-1969, Rev, 3-1997).

> > a.. Labelling: The label of each

> > package shall have the following information:

> > 1. Name of product: " Virgin

> coconut

> > oil "

> > 2. Brand name of trade name

> > 3. Net content

> > 4. Lot identification

> > 5. Name and address of the

> > manufacturer and/ or packer, or distributor

> > 6. The phrase " Product of the

> > Philippines "

> > 7. Type of Process

> > 8. Date manufactured and " Best

> > Before "

> > 9. BFAD registration number and

> bar

> > code (optional)

> >

> > b.. Methods of analysis and

> sampling:

> >

> >

> > - Determination of fatty acid

> > composition - according to International Union of

> > Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) 2. 301, 2. 302

> > and 2. 304 or ISO 5508:1999 and ISO 5509:1999.

> >

> > - Determination of iodine value -

> > According to IUPAC 2.205/1, Wijs method or ISO

> > 3961:1996, Hanus Method, AOAC 920.158. Results are

> > expressed as % m/m absorbed iodine

> > a.. Compliance and specification:

> > When found to comply with the requirements

> specified

> > in this Philippine Standard Specification, the

> lot,

> > the batch, or the consignment from which the

> samples

> > have been drawn, shall be deemed to comply with

> this

> > Philippine National Standard Specification and

> shall

> > be provided with the Philippine Standard (PS)

> mark.

> >

> > a.. Quality Characteristics: Color,

>

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Regards

K Sreenivasa Rao

cell: +91 9846300104.

__________________________________________________