Re: Explain this one to me

[Guest guest]

>

Hi ! Thank you for that very interesting story. I have no idea

what would cause such a drastic difference between the two coconut

oils. Perplexing indeed! We've been experimenting with different COs

too. For all of our cooking I use expeller pressed from Eco Viva.

Then I experiment with others for eating straight off the spoon,

making fudge and body and hair care. Once I ordered a 54oz. tub from

Amazon, it was pleasant tasting but kind of gritty. When I ran out of

that, I spent $16!!! on 16 oz. of Nutiva from my HFS. It was so

smooth and creamy and yummy - nothing like the tub I'd bought from

Amazon. Last week I just received a gallon from Tropical Traditions

and it has a very strong, smoky or roasted flavor, but it's nice and

smooth. With all these brands, I have not noticed a difference in how

I feel, jut how it feels and tastes in my mouth. I wonder if there is

some variation in some of the acids that are affecting you?

I'm about to order a gallon of centrifuged CO from WFN through my

buying club. I know, this will put my stock of CO at about 2.5

gallons in my inventory, but I figure we'll go through it. I'm also

going to order a gallon of the red palm oil.

> I had weight loss 5 weeks in a row at weigh in.

Are you doing Weight Watchers?

> Then I was running low on the Nutiva brand

I'd say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. So many choices of VCO make

it difficult though.

> I started feeling more discomfort in that left ankle again,

Last month, the foot doc told me I had a Morton's Neuroma on my foot -

which is a swollen nerve with swollen tissue at the ball of the foot

in between toes. It feels like a balled up sock and can be painful

when I'm on my feet for extended periods. I started using DMSO via

roll-on - just at nights before bed - and have gotten fantastic

results. The swelling has gone down considerably and it doesn't

bother me near as much. The doc wanted to do cortisone injections

and/or surgery. Pfft! I've also used DMSO on my lower back and knee

where I had an ACL replacement in '03. Great stuff.

-vanessa

.... coconutty

[Guest guest]

I read this with great interest because of what you had told me personally

, so I was anxious to hear how that went.

That is so interesting about the Nutiva brand! That¹s the only brand I have

ever used, but I just really getting started with it.

Thanks for sharing and I¹m so glad your ankle is dong so much better again!

C Chantelle

On 4/14/08 7:39 AM, " K " <kmk55@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Brief history

> I broke my lower leg above the ankle in 1998, I was 41. They had to

> use a metal plate and screws to set it right. They are still in there.

> I am 52 now, and the ankle has always hurt me. aches, hard to walk etc.

> This winter it was getting really bad, even hurting my other ankle,

> probably

> from having to walk funny to protect the sore leg. Anyway, I have been

> doing the coconut oil for a while, cooking etc, but not the eating part.

> Mid January was the worst. Couldn't walk, really scaring me.

> I am about 90 lbs overweight too. the weight doesn't come off easily. 5'

> 10 "

> I decided to start putting the Nutiva brand coconut oil in my tea, as well

> as try to

> increase it in foods. Within 3 days of putting only TWO teaspoons (not

> tablespoons)

> my ankle quit hurting I would say 90-95%. I was walking with only slight

> discomfort.

>

> This was great. My bursitis or whatever it was in my elbow quit hurting

> too.

> I had weight loss 5 weeks in a row at weigh in.

> Then I was running low on the Nutiva brand, so I ordered Wilderness Family

> Naturals

> " traditional " made coconut oil. (I already have been using Wilderness

> Family brand " expeller pressed "

> oil for if I had to use it in cooking. ) But was using the Nutiva for ME.

>

> It took a couple weeks but about 2 weeks ago, I started feeling more

> discomfort in that left ankle again,

> sometimes limping when I walked, slowly increasing the pain each day. This

> Friday and saturday

> was getting pretty uncomfortable, I couldn't keep up walking with my sister

> who is 58. I had a

> slight hunch that my recent weight gains, plus increasing pains was from

> switching from Nutiva brand.

>

> So Saturday morning we went to Bremerton and got some. I had aprox 2

> teaspoons in a drink in the morning,

> and walked pretty good that day, 2 tsp in the evening, 2 yesterday morning

> and I am back to about 90% pain

> free again. There is some slight discomfort, but not like a few days ago.

> I have a feeling like a blanket wrapped

> around this ankle. Thats the only way to explain it. I am walking again

> without limping.

>

> Anyone explain what the difference can be/ Sorry for the book. I am

> excited about this though. I wondered

> if it could be the Nutiva, but thought................NO.....couldn't be.

> But looks to me like its what is helping me.

> K

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is DMSO?

van essa <vandalsem@...> wrote:

>

Hi ! Thank you for that very interesting story. I have no idea

what would cause such a drastic difference between the two coconut

oils. Perplexing indeed! We've been experimenting with different COs

too. For all of our cooking I use expeller pressed from Eco Viva.

Then I experiment with others for eating straight off the spoon,

making fudge and body and hair care. Once I ordered a 54oz. tub from

Amazon, it was pleasant tasting but kind of gritty. When I ran out of

that, I spent $16!!! on 16 oz. of Nutiva from my HFS. It was so

smooth and creamy and yummy - nothing like the tub I'd bought from

Amazon. Last week I just received a gallon from Tropical Traditions

and it has a very strong, smoky or roasted flavor, but it's nice and

smooth. With all these brands, I have not noticed a difference in how

I feel, jut how it feels and tastes in my mouth. I wonder if there is

some variation in some of the acids that are affecting you?

I'm about to order a gallon of centrifuged CO from WFN through my

buying club. I know, this will put my stock of CO at about 2.5

gallons in my inventory, but I figure we'll go through it. I'm also

going to order a gallon of the red palm oil.

> I had weight loss 5 weeks in a row at weigh in.

Are you doing Weight Watchers?

> Then I was running low on the Nutiva brand

I'd say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. So many choices of VCO make

it difficult though.

> I started feeling more discomfort in that left ankle again,

Last month, the foot doc told me I had a Morton's Neuroma on my foot -

which is a swollen nerve with swollen tissue at the ball of the foot

in between toes. It feels like a balled up sock and can be painful

when I'm on my feet for extended periods. I started using DMSO via

roll-on - just at nights before bed - and have gotten fantastic

results. The swelling has gone down considerably and it doesn't

bother me near as much. The doc wanted to do cortisone injections

and/or surgery. Pfft! I've also used DMSO on my lower back and knee

where I had an ACL replacement in '03. Great stuff.

-vanessa

... coconutty

[Guest guest]

>>> I had weight loss 5 weeks in a row at weigh in.

>

> Are you doing Weight Watchers?

No, I am just trying to cut back on carbs, less goodies, breads, potatoes.

>> Then I was running low on the Nutiva brand

>

> I'd say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. So many choices of VCO make

> it difficult though.

Thinking there probably wasn't any difference in the nutritional end of the

products,

I chose to try the cheaper priced to get more for my money. But if I get

better results

from Nutiva, it WOULD BE worth every penny. This is only day 3 of getting

Nutiva back

into my system. So I am watching to see what happens. I probably shouldn't

even

mention anything yet, but was pretty excited to walk without extreme pain

so soon.

There still is some discomfort occasionally, but not as bad as this

weekend.

amazing!

K

[Guest guest]

>

> What is DMSO?

http://www.krysalis.net/dmso.htm

[Guest guest]

My suggestion, is that it could also be the food you

ate. Try eating exactly the same food with the NUTIVA

and the Traditional vco. Some foods can trigger

arthritis/bursitis pains...one big culprit is liver.

[Guest guest]

Back when I first began exploring Alternative Medicine, I

tended to ignore personal testimonials and anecdotal evidence. I

wanted to see scientific papers from double-blind experiments.

However, the more I read, the more I saw flaws in my approach.

Much of the " scientific " studies are funded (directly or indirectly)

with funds coming from companies with a financial interest in proving

the stuff they sell is superior, or proving that the competition is

selling crap.

But even if I had a way to discount the fraudulent and

questionable studies, there are still many many things which just have

never been adequately studied. Double blind studies cost money.

Where does the $$ come from to pay for studies on products which

cannot be patented?

I began to realize that anecdotes told by ordinary people who

experiment with diet and supplements, then shared on e-lists can be

tested by other list members, and brought to the attention of those

who are more knowledgeable. On some lists, the list owner is in

contact with researchers and doctors in the field being scrutinized.

On other lists, there are health professionals who comment on

anecdotes and ask more questions.

I have no idea why a particular brand of coconut oil would

behave differently from other brands, but I strongly suspect the folks

who make Nutiva coconut oil would love to hear more about this.

Alobar

On 4/14/08, K <kmk55@...> wrote:

> Brief history

> I broke my lower leg above the ankle in 1998, I was 41. They had to

> use a metal plate and screws to set it right. They are still in there.

> I am 52 now, and the ankle has always hurt me. aches, hard to walk etc.

> This winter it was getting really bad, even hurting my other ankle,

> probably

> from having to walk funny to protect the sore leg. Anyway, I have been

> doing the coconut oil for a while, cooking etc, but not the eating part.

> Mid January was the worst. Couldn't walk, really scaring me.

> I am about 90 lbs overweight too. the weight doesn't come off easily. 5'

> 10 "

> I decided to start putting the Nutiva brand coconut oil in my tea, as well

> as try to

> increase it in foods. Within 3 days of putting only TWO teaspoons (not

> tablespoons)

> my ankle quit hurting I would say 90-95%. I was walking with only slight

> discomfort.

>

> This was great. My bursitis or whatever it was in my elbow quit hurting

> too.

> I had weight loss 5 weeks in a row at weigh in.

> Then I was running low on the Nutiva brand, so I ordered Wilderness Family

> Naturals

> " traditional " made coconut oil. (I already have been using Wilderness

> Family brand " expeller pressed "

> oil for if I had to use it in cooking. ) But was using the Nutiva for ME.

>

> It took a couple weeks but about 2 weeks ago, I started feeling more

> discomfort in that left ankle again,

> sometimes limping when I walked, slowly increasing the pain each day. This

> Friday and saturday

> was getting pretty uncomfortable, I couldn't keep up walking with my sister

> who is 58. I had a

> slight hunch that my recent weight gains, plus increasing pains was from

> switching from Nutiva brand.

>

> So Saturday morning we went to Bremerton and got some. I had aprox 2

> teaspoons in a drink in the morning,

> and walked pretty good that day, 2 tsp in the evening, 2 yesterday morning

> and I am back to about 90% pain

> free again. There is some slight discomfort, but not like a few days ago.

> I have a feeling like a blanket wrapped

> around this ankle. Thats the only way to explain it. I am walking again

> without limping.

>

> Anyone explain what the difference can be/ Sorry for the book. I am

> excited about this though. I wondered

> if it could be the Nutiva, but thought................NO.....couldn't be.

> But looks to me like its what is helping me.

> K

>

>

[Guest guest]

I thought about writing to them, after I give this a bit more time to make

sure it

wasn't just a fluke, or by chance, my leg felt better.

This is exactly how it was though when I first started eating more of the

Nutiva.

Within a couple days, the pain was almost gone, I would walk normal.

Same thing happened when I started using it again this weekend, though

didn't take as long a time.

A good suggestion by , but I had the elbow pain all winter, then after

using the Nutiva,

it was gone. That hasn't come back. Same with the ankle problem, I really

don't think food

had much to do with it. I need to give this more time. If I was to start

losing again, that would

really be worth noting. I don't have the urge to graze today, which

possibly could be from the

coconut oil.

K

> Back when I first began exploring Alternative Medicine, I

> tended to ignore personal testimonials and anecdotal evidence. I

> wanted to see scientific papers from double-blind experiments.

>

> However, the more I read, the more I saw flaws in my approach.

> Much of the " scientific " studies are funded (directly or indirectly)

> with funds coming from companies with a financial interest in proving

> the stuff they sell is superior, or proving that the competition is

> selling crap.

>

> But even if I had a way to discount the fraudulent and

> questionable studies, there are still many many things which just have

> never been adequately studied. Double blind studies cost money.

> Where does the $$ come from to pay for studies on products which

> cannot be patented?

>

> I began to realize that anecdotes told by ordinary people who

> experiment with diet and supplements, then shared on e-lists can be

> tested by other list members, and brought to the attention of those

> who are more knowledgeable. On some lists, the list owner is in

> contact with researchers and doctors in the field being scrutinized.

> On other lists, there are health professionals who comment on

> anecdotes and ask more questions.

>

> I have no idea why a particular brand of coconut oil would

> behave differently from other brands, but I strongly suspect the folks

> who make Nutiva coconut oil would love to hear more about this.

>

> Alobar

[Guest guest]

I²m just so excited for you !

I¹m so exc ited for me too.

(Im doing much better at being consistent with the coconut oil and soon I

will be remembering to carry it with me on Tuesdays I think (I¹m gone for

lunch on that day!)

I had Sashimi last night....wow, was that good and it makes me FEEL so

good....

Does anybody prepare their own and where do you buy the seafood to do it?

Any tips on that?

Chantelle

On 4/14/08 5:50 PM, " K " <kmk55@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I thought about writing to them, after I give this a bit more time to make

> sure it

> wasn't just a fluke, or by chance, my leg felt better.

> This is exactly how it was though when I first started eating more of the

> Nutiva.

> Within a couple days, the pain was almost gone, I would walk normal.

> Same thing happened when I started using it again this weekend, though

> didn't take as long a time.

>

> A good suggestion by , but I had the elbow pain all winter, then after

> using the Nutiva,

> it was gone. That hasn't come back. Same with the ankle problem, I really

> don't think food

> had much to do with it. I need to give this more time. If I was to start

> losing again, that would

> really be worth noting. I don't have the urge to graze today, which

> possibly could be from the

> coconut oil.

> K

>

>> > Back when I first began exploring Alternative Medicine, I

>> > tended to ignore personal testimonials and anecdotal evidence. I

>> > wanted to see scientific papers from double-blind experiments.

>> >

>> > However, the more I read, the more I saw flaws in my approach.

>> > Much of the " scientific " studies are funded (directly or indirectly)

>> > with funds coming from companies with a financial interest in proving

>> > the stuff they sell is superior, or proving that the competition is

>> > selling crap.

>> >

>> > But even if I had a way to discount the fraudulent and

>> > questionable studies, there are still many many things which just have

>> > never been adequately studied. Double blind studies cost money.

>> > Where does the $$ come from to pay for studies on products which

>> > cannot be patented?

>> >

>> > I began to realize that anecdotes told by ordinary people who

>> > experiment with diet and supplements, then shared on e-lists can be

>> > tested by other list members, and brought to the attention of those

>> > who are more knowledgeable. On some lists, the list owner is in

>> > contact with researchers and doctors in the field being scrutinized.

>> > On other lists, there are health professionals who comment on

>> > anecdotes and ask more questions.

>> >

>> > I have no idea why a particular brand of coconut oil would

>> > behave differently from other brands, but I strongly suspect the folks

>> > who make Nutiva coconut oil would love to hear more about this.

>> >

>> > Alobar

>

>

>