Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 : All plastic sheds (some more than others) and it is these tiny particles of plastic that can get into your body and cause hormone imbalance, even in men. I think the word Pthalate means these tiny particles but I could be wrong. Once ingested these particles are shaped EXACTLY like Estrogen and fit on your Estrogen Receptor Sites like a key in a lock and " turn on " the hormones. YIKES!! Bonnie Plastic and VCO Hi,could someone kindly explain to me if having my extra virgin coconut oil in plastic bottles is okay.I heard that there are some " bad ' plastics and " good ' ones too. addendum-what are 'phtalates " in relation to this topic? Thanks alot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 I agree with you . We are VCO manufacturer ourselves and we are consistently using glass bottles for our VCO and other VCO food by-products we sell in the market. If only we can have you taste the difference between the same batch where one is stored in a plastic container and the other stored in a glass container, you will notice a very big difference. In fairness to manufacturers using PET containers, but that's what we noticed, which prompted us to stick with glass bottle containers inspite of the difference in price. > > > : > > All plastic sheds (some more than others) and it is these tiny particles of plastic that can get into your body and cause hormone imbalance, even in men. > > I think the word Pthalate means these tiny particles but I could be wrong. Once ingested these particles are shaped EXACTLY like Estrogen and fit on your Estrogen Receptor Sites like a key in a lock and " turn on " the hormones. YIKES!! > > Bonnie > Plastic and VCO > > > Hi,could someone kindly explain to me if having my extra virgin > coconut oil in plastic bottles is okay.I heard that there are > some " bad ' plastics and " good ' ones too. > > addendum-what are 'phtalates " in relation to this topic? > > Thanks alot > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Would like to share info about this topic. We use both food-grade PET (polyethylene terephtalate) and glass bottles and jars for our centrifuged VCO depending on specification of the customer. From our experience both type of bottles are suitable for VCO when done properly, and both have strong and weak points. 1. PET bottle may affect the taste of VCO depending on its quality. A low quality PET bottle may contain significant amount of acetaldehyde (an effect of resin degradation due to high heat and pressure during bottle production process). Acetaldehyde is an aromatic hydrocarbon - a small amount of it is very perceptible. Good sourcing of PET bottle is important. As further control of this potential problem, we wash the PET bottle with food-grade ethyl alcohol. 2. Glass material is very much more stable than PET material, but glass bottles may also affect the taste of VCO. The cap of glass bottles, either made of metal or plastic, has an inner elastomeric liner for sealing. Poor quality liners may contain VOCs (volatile organic compounds - one can smell most of it) that can contaminate the VCO. Further, if the liner is somewhat porous, VCO penetrates through it and gets in contact with the painted metal. VCO slowly dissolves paints. Good quality caps are important. 3. Not all plastics have sheds or peels, it depends on the type of process involved in making the plastic product, and the control of this process. Extrusion processes ( used in making plastic films like bags) are more prone to cause plastic sheds, thus good control is needed. Injection-moulding processes (used in making pails) may cause plastic sheds if the mould is a bit rough, and injection temperature is not well controlled. Blow-moulding process (used in making bottles) is very unlikely to cause plastic shed. The inner surface of plastic bottle is firmly and smoothly set by hot air during blow-mould operation. 4. The chemical structure of ethylene terephtalate, the monomer of (PET) poly ethlylene terephtalate, is very different from steroids and hormones. It only has one ring, the steroids like estrogen have four rings, it does not have an amino functional group which is always present in hormones being protein substances. These are not the particles that Bonnie is telling that can be mistaken for estrogen. 5. From VCO manufacturing point of view, glass jars are preferable and more convenient to to use because they have lesser " watch-points " than PET bottle. Its major downside is it consumes so much energy and releases so much greenhouse gases during its production and transport, both serious contemporary issues on planet earth. A kilo of VCO in a glass bottle will cause the consumption of energy and release of greenhouse gases that is about 2 to 4 times higher than if it were in a PET bottle (depending on wether the glass is recylced or not) Here in the Philippines, there is an ongoing research implemented by the Department of Science and Technology on determining the most suitable packaging for VCO. More and better guidance info maybe available soon. Tony ralianza <ralianza@...> wrote: I agree with you . We are VCO manufacturer ourselves and we are consistently using glass bottles for our VCO and other VCO food by-products we sell in the market. If only we can have you taste the difference between the same batch where one is stored in a plastic container and the other stored in a glass container, you will notice a very big difference. In fairness to manufacturers using PET containers, but that's what we noticed, which prompted us to stick with glass bottle containers inspite of the difference in price. > > > : > > All plastic sheds (some more than others) and it is these tiny particles of plastic that can get into your body and cause hormone imbalance, even in men. > > I think the word Pthalate means these tiny particles but I could be wrong. Once ingested these particles are shaped EXACTLY like Estrogen and fit on your Estrogen Receptor Sites like a key in a lock and " turn on " the hormones. YIKES!! > > Bonnie > Plastic and VCO > > > Hi,could someone kindly explain to me if having my extra virgin > coconut oil in plastic bottles is okay.I heard that there are > some " bad ' plastics and " good ' ones too. > > addendum-what are 'phtalates " in relation to this topic? > > Thanks alot > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Glass has another downside. Shippers here in the US tend to toss packages around a lot. Glass gets broken unless it is packed well. When I buy Carlson's cod liver oil, it comes in glass. The shipper wraps each bottle in several layers of bubble wrap. Nutiva coconut oil in plastic bottles which are in the same box do not have to be wrapped in bubble wrap. So glass bottles consume lots of petrochemicals in shipping. Alobar On 4/16/08, AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...> wrote: > Would like to share info about this topic. We use both food-grade PET (polyethylene terephtalate) and glass bottles and jars for our centrifuged VCO depending on specification of the customer. From our experience both type of bottles are suitable for VCO when done properly, and both have strong and weak points. > > 1. PET bottle may affect the taste of VCO depending on its quality. A low quality PET bottle may contain significant amount of acetaldehyde (an effect of resin degradation due to high heat and pressure during bottle production process). Acetaldehyde is an aromatic hydrocarbon - a small amount of it is very perceptible. Good sourcing of PET bottle is important. As further control of this potential problem, we wash the PET bottle with food-grade ethyl alcohol. > > 2. Glass material is very much more stable than PET material, but glass bottles may also affect the taste of VCO. The cap of glass bottles, either made of metal or plastic, has an inner elastomeric liner for sealing. Poor quality liners may contain VOCs (volatile organic compounds - one can smell most of it) that can contaminate the VCO. Further, if the liner is somewhat porous, VCO penetrates through it and gets in contact with the painted metal. VCO slowly dissolves paints. Good quality caps are important. > > 3. Not all plastics have sheds or peels, it depends on the type of process involved in making the plastic product, and the control of this process. Extrusion processes ( used in making plastic films like bags) are more prone to cause plastic sheds, thus good control is needed. Injection-moulding processes (used in making pails) may cause plastic sheds if the mould is a bit rough, and injection temperature is not well controlled. Blow-moulding process (used in making bottles) is very unlikely to cause plastic shed. The inner surface of plastic bottle is firmly and smoothly set by hot air during blow-mould operation. > > 4. The chemical structure of ethylene terephtalate, the monomer of (PET) poly ethlylene terephtalate, is very different from steroids and hormones. It only has one ring, the steroids like estrogen have four rings, it does not have an amino functional group which is always present in hormones being protein substances. These are not the particles that Bonnie is telling that can be mistaken for estrogen. > > 5. From VCO manufacturing point of view, glass jars are preferable and more convenient to to use because they have lesser " watch-points " than PET bottle. Its major downside is it consumes so much energy and releases so much greenhouse gases during its production and transport, both serious contemporary issues on planet earth. A kilo of VCO in a glass bottle will cause the consumption of energy and release of greenhouse gases that is about 2 to 4 times higher than if it were in a PET bottle (depending on wether the glass is recylced or not) > > Here in the Philippines, there is an ongoing research implemented by the Department of Science and Technology on determining the most suitable packaging for VCO. More and better guidance info maybe available soon. > > Tony > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 I guess what Bonnie is referring to as EXACTLY like Estrogen is bisphenol A (BPA), a chemical used to make hard, clear plastics such as those found in baby bottles, food-storage containers and the lining of soda cans. BPA imitates the sex hormone estradiol and scientists are afraid even low levels of BPA could have a negative impact. Chemical bonds that BPA forms in plastic can unravel when heated, washed or exposed to acidic foods, prompting the chemical to contaminate foods. Plastics that are safer to use for storing food and beverages, none of which are known to leach harmful substances, include: Polypropylene, designated " #5 PP " , High-density polyethylene, designated " #2HDPE " , Low-density polyethylene, designated " #4 LDPE " . There are ongoing debates on bisphenol A (BPA) by scientists associated and not associated with plastic industries, and whether it can harm our health or not, our overuse of them is pushing the health of planet earth in the wrong direction. Rupert I think the word Pthalate means these tiny particles but I could bewrong. Once ingested these particles are shaped EXACTLY like Estrogenand fit on your Estrogen Receptor Sites like a key in a lock and " turnon " the hormones. YIKES!! Bonnie [coconut_oil_ open_forum] Plastic and VCO > > > Hi,could someone kindly explain to me if having my extra virgin > coconut oil in plastic bottles is okay.I heard that there are > some " bad ' plastics and " good ' ones too. > > addendum-what are 'phtalates " in relation to this topic? > > Thanks alot > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 #7 is the worst ......I have been thinking of transferring my CO to glass though. I saved a glass bottle for this purpose, but it is not wide necked enough actually.....I don't have any wide mouth glass jars right now....... My CO is in a number 1 plastic and I think about this often.... Chantelle On 4/15/08 11:44 AM, " Bonnie Cole " <bonnieview@...> wrote: > > > > > : > > All plastic sheds (some more than others) and it is these tiny particles of > plastic that can get into your body and cause hormone imbalance, even in men. > > I think the word Pthalate means these tiny particles but I could be wrong. > Once ingested these particles are shaped EXACTLY like Estrogen and fit on your > Estrogen Receptor Sites like a key in a lock and " turn on " the hormones. > YIKES!! > > Bonnie > Plastic and VCO > > Hi,could someone kindly explain to me if having my extra virgin > coconut oil in plastic bottles is okay.I heard that there are > some " bad ' plastics and " good ' ones too. > > addendum-what are 'phtalates " in relation to this topic? > > Thanks alot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Thanks for this post Rupert. I had heard it before, but could not remember which numbers were safest, only the worst one. So, my number 1 container then is not on the safe list! I am going to be looking at the numbers on the bottom a LOT For awhile now! chantelle On 4/17/08 3:33 AM, " Rupert Alianza " <ralianza@...> wrote: > > > > I guess what Bonnie is referring to as EXACTLY like Estrogen is bisphenol > A (BPA), a chemical used to make hard, clear plastics such as those found in > baby bottles, food-storage containers and the lining of soda cans. BPA > imitates the sex hormone estradiol and scientists are afraid even low levels > of BPA could have a negative impact. > > Chemical bonds that BPA forms in plastic can unravel when heated, washed or > exposed to acidic foods, prompting the chemical to contaminate foods. > Plastics that are safer to use for storing food and beverages, none of > which are known to leach harmful substances, include: Polypropylene, > designated " #5 PP " , High-density polyethylene, designated " #2HDPE " , > Low-density polyethylene, designated " #4 LDPE " . > > There are ongoing debates on bisphenol A (BPA) by scientists associated > and not associated with plastic industries, and whether it can harm our health > or not, > our overuse of them is pushing the health of planet earth in the > wrong direction. > > Rupert > > I think the word Pthalate means these tiny particles but I could bewrong. Once > ingested these particles are shaped EXACTLY like Estrogenand fit on your > Estrogen Receptor Sites like a key in a lock and " turnon " the hormones. > YIKES!! > > Bonnie > > [coconut_oil_ open_forum] Plastic and VCO >> > >> > >> > Hi,could someone kindly explain to me if having my extra virgin >> > coconut oil in plastic bottles is okay.I heard that there are >> > some " bad ' plastics and " good ' ones too. >> > >> > addendum-what are 'phtalates " in relation to this topic? >> > >> > Thanks alot >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 > wow....this was highly informative for me! Now I realize I cannot just resuse > any glass jar for transferring my VCO, I need to pay attention to the lid! > > I can often taste or smell plastic, so then sometimes, I am lulled into > thinking if I can¹t taste or smell it , maybe it is okay. Probably not wise > thinking, but just sharing where my brain goes..... > > Chantelle > > > On 4/16/08, AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@... > <mailto:agnutriceutical%40> > wrote: >> > Would like to share info about this topic. We use both food-grade PET >> (polyethylene terephtalate) and glass bottles and jars for our centrifuged >> VCO depending on specification of the customer. From our experience both type >> of bottles are suitable for VCO when done properly, and both have strong and >> weak points. >> > >> > 1. PET bottle may affect the taste of VCO depending on its quality. A low >> quality PET bottle may contain significant amount of acetaldehyde (an effect >> of resin degradation due to high heat and pressure during bottle production >> process). Acetaldehyde is an aromatic hydrocarbon - a small amount of it is >> very perceptible. Good sourcing of PET bottle is important. As further >> control of this potential problem, we wash the PET bottle with food-grade >> ethyl alcohol. >> > >> > 2. Glass material is very much more stable than PET material, but glass >> bottles may also affect the taste of VCO. The cap of glass bottles, either >> made of metal or plastic, has an inner elastomeric liner for sealing. Poor >> quality liners may contain VOCs (volatile organic compounds - one can smell >> most of it) that can contaminate the VCO. Further, if the liner is somewhat >> porous, VCO penetrates through it and gets in contact with the painted metal. >> VCO slowly dissolves paints. Good quality caps are important. >> > >> > 3. Not all plastics have sheds or peels, it depends on the type of >> process involved in making the plastic product, and the control of this >> process. Extrusion processes ( used in making plastic films like bags) are >> more prone to cause plastic sheds, thus good control is needed. >> Injection-moulding processes (used in making pails) may cause plastic sheds >> if the mould is a bit rough, and injection temperature is not well >> controlled. Blow-moulding process (used in making bottles) is very unlikely >> to cause plastic shed. The inner surface of plastic bottle is firmly and >> smoothly set by hot air during blow-mould operation. >> > >> > 4. The chemical structure of ethylene terephtalate, the monomer of (PET) >> poly ethlylene terephtalate, is very different from steroids and hormones. It >> only has one ring, the steroids like estrogen have four rings, it does not >> have an amino functional group which is always present in hormones being >> protein substances. These are not the particles that Bonnie is telling that >> can be mistaken for estrogen. >> > >> > 5. From VCO manufacturing point of view, glass jars are preferable and >> more convenient to to use because they have lesser " watch-points " than PET >> bottle. Its major downside is it consumes so much energy and releases so much >> greenhouse gases during its production and transport, both serious >> contemporary issues on planet earth. A kilo of VCO in a glass bottle will >> cause the consumption of energy and release of greenhouse gases that is about >> 2 to 4 times higher than if it were in a PET bottle (depending on wether the >> glass is recylced or not) >> > >> > Here in the Philippines, there is an ongoing research implemented by the >> Department of Science and Technology on determining the most suitable >> packaging for VCO. More and better guidance info maybe available soon. >> > >> > Tony >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 I won't buy anything in any kind of plastic if I can help it. I stopped buying Gerolsteiner mineral water because even though it is my favorite water I am sick of seeing plastic bottles, bags, etc. littering our roads and oceans. What's worse plastic never degrades it just becomes smaller and smaller particles so it will remain forever in our soil and water. I would rather swallow glass than plastic. > > > > > > : > > > > All plastic sheds (some more than others) and it is these tiny > particles of plastic that can get into your body and cause hormone > imbalance, even in men. > > > > I think the word Pthalate means these tiny particles but I could be > wrong. Once ingested these particles are shaped EXACTLY like Estrogen > and fit on your Estrogen Receptor Sites like a key in a lock and " turn > on " the hormones. YIKES!! > > > > Bonnie > > Plastic and VCO > > > > > > Hi,could someone kindly explain to me if having my extra virgin > > coconut oil in plastic bottles is okay.I heard that there are > > some " bad ' plastics and " good ' ones too. > > > > addendum-what are 'phtalates " in relation to this topic? > > > > Thanks alot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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