Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 > I have used WFN India VCO and love it. I need to place an order so I > was wondering if anyone here has used the same oil and is now using > another VCO because they like it more and/or it is less processed. > Thanks, Del The cold-processed, chilled and centrifuged oil is the best. I get mine from Quality First International in Canada. They also have expeller pressed oil, they call it their virgin 2 but it is most companies' best oil. regards, Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Duncan wrote: > The cold-processed, chilled and centrifuged oil is the best. Do you have to keep it in the fridge? Del Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 You have one of the very best Vco's there is, their India oil is centrifuged and yes--very wonderful! You might look at Duncan's oil and compare which has the better price because they are both of most excellent quality and will be virtually the same in flavor. Once you've had the best you cannot hardly step down to anything less...though WFN's ine oil is extremely close to the India oil in excellent flavor and astounding quality---so if you have a cash crunch it is a very viable option as well. I bought five gallons to save a $100. But you have to be very into to make sure you will use that much. Caitlin Lorraine > I have used WFN India VCO and love it. I need to place an order so I > was wondering if anyone here has used the same oil and is now using > another VCO because they like it more and/or it is less processed. > Thanks, Del Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 > Duncan wrote: > > The cold-processed, chilled and centrifuged oil is the best. > > > Do you have to keep it in the fridge? > > Del Hi Del, No, the oil extracted with the zero-heat chilled and centrifuged method has at least a three year shelf life at room temperature. Virgin 2 oil expeller pressed oil starts to go rancid in about four months. This information comes from the largest coconut oil wholesaler in North America. regards, Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 Maybe I missed a few posts but which wholesaler is the largest? Del Duncan Crow wrote: > No, the oil extracted with the zero-heat chilled and centrifuged > method has at least a three year shelf life at room temperature. > > Virgin 2 oil expeller pressed oil starts to go rancid in about four > months. > > This information comes from the largest coconut oil wholesaler in > North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 I am not answering my own question just adding to it. I think you are talking about QFI. Am I right? And this Co supplies the virgin oil De CoCoCreame that has a 3 year shelf life and the Virgin 2 that has a 4 month shelf life. Right? And you can go to coconutoil-online to order. Am I right again? Just trying to get all these oils straight in my mind. I have used the coconutoil-online before and it is awesome. Very pure with a great taste. I also have used the India oil from WFN and it also is very pure and awesome. Is there a difference in them besides the price being a little lower for the India oil? I just made my order again but it is not here yet and I need oil today!! I am going to the HFS to buy some off the shelf. They have garden-of-life, Sprectrum and I think TT (which I have used). All of these oils on the shelf don't look like much to be desired compared to the above mentioned oils but which to you guys think I will be the happiest with? Thanks, Del Delano wrote: > Maybe I missed a few posts but which wholesaler is the largest? > > Del > > Duncan Crow wrote: > > > No, the oil extracted with the zero-heat chilled and centrifuged > > method has at least a three year shelf life at room temperature. > > > > Virgin 2 oil expeller pressed oil starts to go rancid in about four > > months. > > > > This information comes from the largest coconut oil wholesaler in > > North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 > I am not answering my own question just adding to it. > Hi Del, > I think you are talking about QFI. Am I right? And this Co supplies > the virgin oil De CoCoCreame that has a 3 year shelf life and the > Virgin 2 that has a 4 month shelf life. Right? Yes > And you can go to > coconutoil-online to order. Am I right again? Yes, but you can also buy it from Quality First International for the same price coconut-oil online gets it if you register with Vinia Marquez as an agent or distributor. Just tell her that Duncan Crow introduces you as a potential distributor; she'll take your information and send you samples. I'm not sure which one, but one of the companies is selling centrifuged oil mixed with virgin 2 and calling it centrifuged, similar in principle to the olive oil wholesalers mixing their olive oil with canola, cottonseed or castor oil. Word's getting out; buyer beware. No reason not to buy from QFI. > I am going to the HFS to buy some off the shelf. They have > garden-of-life, Sprectrum and I think TT (which I have used). All of > these oils on the shelf don't look like much to be desired compared to > the above mentioned oils but which to you guys think I will be the > happiest with? > Garden of Life is virgin 2 oil, which is adequate quality for many people. Make sure you buy it from a distributor that has high volume or you might get oil that is already a few months old. regards, Duncan Crow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 Duncan Crow wrote: > Yes, but you can also buy it from Quality First International for the > same price coconut-oil online gets it if you register with Vinia > Marquez as an agent or distributor. Just tell her that Duncan Crow > introduces you as a potential distributor; she'll take your > information and send you samples. ----I will check into that!---- > > I'm not sure which one, but one of the companies is selling > centrifuged oil mixed with virgin 2 and calling it centrifuged, > similar in principle to the olive oil wholesalers mixing their olive > oil with canola, cottonseed or castor oil. Word's getting out; buyer > beware. No reason not to buy from QFI. ----Where do you find this info? That is pretty serious.---- > Garden of Life is virgin 2 oil, which is adequate quality for many > people. Make sure you buy it from a distributor that has high volume > or you might get oil that is already a few months old. ----Also, where do you find this info? I did buy the GOF. It smells and taste okay to me.----- Thanks, Del Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 > > > > I'm not sure which one, but one of the companies is selling > > centrifuged oil mixed with virgin 2 and calling it centrifuged, > > similar in principle to the olive oil wholesalers mixing their olive > > oil with canola, cottonseed or castor oil. Word's getting out; buyer > > beware. No reason not to buy from QFI. > > ----Where do you find this info? That is pretty serious.---- Hi Del, I got that info from QFI, who sells them their centrifuged oil. Similar to the Italians selling almost twice the extra virgin olive oil as they produce, the company sells more centrifuged oil than they buy. > > ----Also, where do you find this info? I did buy the GOF. It smells > and taste okay to me.----- I don't mind it either.... If the company does not use the cold centrifuged process, the oil *has to be* virgin 2. Garden of Life does not buy centrifuged oil. See, Quality First International holds the patent on the cold processing equipment and they know who's buying the centrifuged oil. regards, Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 I take back what I said. I did not like the taste in cooking. Del Del Said I did buy the GOF. It smells > > and taste okay to me.----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Duncan There is really no standard set for virgin coconut oil. As long as there are no additives and very very low moisture conten; coconut oil is called virgin whether centrifuged or other process is used. Who set the standard that if coconut oil is not centrifuged it is to be classiefied as Virgin 2 or second class citizen virgin oil? Is this a marketing ploy? Re: Re: Which VCO is the best > > > > I'm not sure which one, but one of the companies is selling > > centrifuged oil mixed with virgin 2 and calling it centrifuged, > > similar in principle to the olive oil wholesalers mixing their olive > > oil with canola, cottonseed or castor oil. Word's getting out; buyer > > beware. No reason not to buy from QFI. > > ----Where do you find this info? That is pretty serious.---- Hi Del, I got that info from QFI, who sells them their centrifuged oil. Similar to the Italians selling almost twice the extra virgin olive oil as they produce, the company sells more centrifuged oil than they buy. > > ----Also, where do you find this info? I did buy the GOF. It smells > and taste okay to me.----- I don't mind it either.... If the company does not use the cold centrifuged process, the oil *has to be* virgin 2. Garden of Life does not buy centrifuged oil. See, Quality First International holds the patent on the cold processing equipment and they know who's buying the centrifuged oil. regards, Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 " I got that info from QFI, who sells them their centrifuged oil. Similar to the Italians selling almost twice the extra virgin olive oil as they produce, the company sells more centrifuged oil than they buy. " I don't understand the logic of this. How can they sell twice as much as they produce, or more than they buy? Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 At 11:33 AM 6/9/2004, pbanagal wrote: >Duncan > >There is really no standard set for virgin coconut oil. As long as there >are no additives and very very low moisture conten; coconut oil is called >virgin whether centrifuged or other process is used. Who set the standard >that if coconut oil is not centrifuged it is to be classiefied as Virgin 2 >or second class citizen virgin oil? Is this a marketing ploy? Maybe Selina can answer this. I heard in a talk radio program the other day that the Philippine BFAD (Bureau of Food and Drugs) now has a standard for virgin coconut oil that defines this as oil produced without heat (i.e. cold pressed). Selina, is this correct or do I need to have my ears cleaned? By the way there seems to be an emergence of virgin coconut oil coverage in the Philippine media at least, apart from the radio I heard that Channel 7 ran a piece on this topic this week, and there are a lot of magazine articles about this lately (i.e. Philippine Star's Sunday magazine last weekend featured Selina) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Jim, Actually I had an email from PCA's, Divina Bawalan, Senior Researcher (by the way she will be leaving PCA soon) and was told that they have not yet chosen which process is the best, pending the result of the vitamin E content (of the different processing) of the oils. It is taking long because this is an expensive text and of course PCA does not have enough money for that. Meanwhile, let us wait for their verdict. Re: Re: Re: Which VCO is the best At 11:33 AM 6/9/2004, pbanagal wrote: >Duncan > >There is really no standard set for virgin coconut oil. As long as there >are no additives and very very low moisture conten; coconut oil is called >virgin whether centrifuged or other process is used. Who set the standard >that if coconut oil is not centrifuged it is to be classiefied as Virgin 2 >or second class citizen virgin oil? Is this a marketing ploy? Maybe Selina can answer this. I heard in a talk radio program the other day that the Philippine BFAD (Bureau of Food and Drugs) now has a standard for virgin coconut oil that defines this as oil produced without heat (i.e. cold pressed). Selina, is this correct or do I need to have my ears cleaned? By the way there seems to be an emergence of virgin coconut oil coverage in the Philippine media at least, apart from the radio I heard that Channel 7 ran a piece on this topic this week, and there are a lot of magazine articles about this lately (i.e. Philippine Star's Sunday magazine last weekend featured Selina) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 What is PCA's? Del > >Duncan > > > >There is really no standard set for virgin coconut oil. As long as there > >are no additives and very very low moisture conten; coconut oil is called > >virgin whether centrifuged or other process is used. Who set the standard > >that if coconut oil is not centrifuged it is to be classiefied as Virgin 2 > >or second class citizen virgin oil? Is this a marketing ploy? > > Maybe Selina can answer this. I heard in a talk radio program the other day > that the Philippine BFAD (Bureau of Food and Drugs) now has a standard for > virgin coconut oil that defines this as oil produced without heat (i.e. > cold pressed). Selina, is this correct or do I need to have my ears cleaned? > > By the way there seems to be an emergence of virgin coconut oil coverage in > the Philippine media at least, apart from the radio I heard that Channel 7 > ran a piece on this topic this week, and there are a lot of magazine > articles about this lately (i.e. Philippine Star's Sunday magazine last > weekend featured Selina) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 At 03:04 AM 6/11/2004, Delano Eaton wrote: >What is PCA's? >Del PCA = Philippine Coconut Authority, a Philippine government agency tasked with the promoting and advocating the coconut industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 At 12:28 PM 6/11/2004, Jim Ayson wrote: >At 03:04 AM 6/11/2004, Delano Eaton wrote: > >What is PCA's? > >Del > >PCA = Philippine Coconut Authority, a Philippine government agency tasked >with the promoting and advocating the coconut industry. whoops, i meant to write " tasked with the promotion and advocacy of the coconut industry... " so much for " English as a second language " ... :-) - jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Philippine Coconut Authority. This office is now trying to set a criteria/standard for coconut oil production specially those that are to be exported.....making sure that only the best are exported. They also are in-charge of developing research for coconut usage. Re: Which VCO is the best What is PCA's? Del > >Duncan > > > >There is really no standard set for virgin coconut oil. As long as there > >are no additives and very very low moisture conten; coconut oil is called > >virgin whether centrifuged or other process is used. Who set the standard > >that if coconut oil is not centrifuged it is to be classiefied as Virgin 2 > >or second class citizen virgin oil? Is this a marketing ploy? > > Maybe Selina can answer this. I heard in a talk radio program the other day > that the Philippine BFAD (Bureau of Food and Drugs) now has a standard for > virgin coconut oil that defines this as oil produced without heat (i.e. > cold pressed). Selina, is this correct or do I need to have my ears cleaned? > > By the way there seems to be an emergence of virgin coconut oil coverage in > the Philippine media at least, apart from the radio I heard that Channel 7 > ran a piece on this topic this week, and there are a lot of magazine > articles about this lately (i.e. Philippine Star's Sunday magazine last > weekend featured Selina) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 This is pure nonsense from QFI. Don't fall for it. QFI's best marketing strategy is to attack every other coconut oil on the market. There is NO food-grade coconut oil on the market with a shelf life of only 4 months - that is pure nonsense - coming from people in Canada who know very little about the industry. Even crude coconut oil, which is RBD oil that has not been refined enough yet to bring the FFA down for stable shelf life, has a shelf life of up to 1 year. Laboratory tests done on Virgin Coconut Oil made the traditional way by family farmers show it to be the best quality oil on the market, with vitamin E contents even superior. As someone else mentioned, the PCA in the Philippines has already run some of these tests. It is harder to maintain quality on centrifuged oils that don't use heat. Rumor has it that QFI cannot even obtain USDA organic certification for some reason. They mass-produce their oil while buying coconuts at cheap copra prices, bypassing the farmer who profits more when making the traditional Virgin Coconut Oil. Those of us from the Philippines need to get the truth out here, rather than letting a Canadian come in here and define his own standards, when he probably has never seen a real coconut hanging from a tree in his life. Judy > > > The shelf life of the centrifuge processed and the traditional method > > (must be done right) of producing coco oil is just the same. But you > > are right, if the shelf life of a certain kind of oil is short, then > > it should be specified because some people buy in bulks.... > > Although it is theoretically possible, the wholesalers know that the > virgin 2 does deteriorate. They had the same problem with the virgin > 2 is produced by the expeller pressed method and the fermented method > they tested, even though both are produced in small batches on family > farms. > > regards, > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 > This is pure nonsense from QFI. Don't fall for it. QFI's best > marketing strategy is to attack every other coconut oil on the > market. There is NO food-grade coconut oil on the market with a > shelf life of only 4 months - that is pure nonsense - coming from > people in Canada who know very little about the industry. But when we ask about these questions of people who have used the very oils you talk about, on this list, the story is corroborated that there was something wrong with the oil, so what are we to think? The story (from QFI) comes from a wholesaler that has nothing to gain by admitting their own virgin 2, their best selling oil, goes rancid after about 4 months. They are the biggest wholesaler in North America, not just Canada. So what can we make of that indeed? Does the biggest seller of coconut oil know that little about the oil they sell, and what are your own qualifications? Are you the second biggest wholesaler? regards, Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 > There is NO food-grade coconut oil on the market with a > shelf life of only 4 months - A lady on another group I am a member of bought a bottle of coconut oil and the label on it said it had a shelf life of at least 3 months, so I think this information is out there elsewhere as well... > rather than letting a Canadian come in here and define his own > standards, when he probably has never seen a real coconut hanging > from a tree in his life. > > Judy > > So, just because you Judy, from Tropical Traditions, have seen a coconut, you know the truth so much better? That simply makes no sense... Centrifued oil was chosen 9 out of 10 for better taste than the TT oil, it is just so much smoother in taste and no catch in the back of the throat. Just because you don't like him being from Canada doesn't mean they cannot sell a superior oil---not only in taste but a better price as well. At least Duncan has tried to put a benefit to this group, posting on other topics as well, but TT only posts when there is something that doesn't agree with them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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