Re: A weird VCO experience Duncan /Uh Oh

October 7, 2007

In a message dated 10/7/2007 6:10:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

vwolf21@... writes:

Wilderness Family Naturals

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I just purchased a gallon for half what the cost is listed on the Wilderness

web site.

If you live in VA perhaps Countryside can deliver to you?

I got the VCO along with the free choice minerals for my horses, but I think

I'm going to use it for me.

Cheryl

Winchester, VA

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October 7, 2007

Uh Oh...this is not good...I cannot tolerate a jump in B.P.

Anyone else experience this kind of thing? Virginia

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " Bonnie Cole " <bonnieview@...>

Hello Everyone:

The other day I bought a really good quality VCO that cost twice as much as the

others, I have used. I've been reading about the various methods of making VCO

and the website of Wildnerness Family Naturals said that their Centrifuged oil

had the highest levels of Lauric and Caprylic Acids. Well this one isn't WFN but

a real quality oil.

About 3:00 pm I put some on a cracker, maybe 2 tsp. By 5:00 pm I wasn't feeling

well and by 8:00 pm, thought I was coming down with the FLU.

By midnight, it was all I could do, to get myself into bed and took some

Colloidal Silver and a tablespoon to have for the morning when my stomach would

be empty, in case it was the flu. I felt very tired with aching joints and

muscles but could not sleep and was awake till 7:00 am.

So that VCO caused symptoms for 16 hours. AND it did put my Blood Pressure up

and my usual medication did not work at all.

I don't have such a bad reaction with the cheaper oils that I've bought, so it

MUST be the Lauric and Caprylic.

So was that a HERX reaction? What does it mean?

Thanks,

Bonnie

October 7, 2007

I experienced a rise in blood pressure when I started

taking VCO too. I have what is known as essential

blood pressure which means it is not caused by diet

or exercise or even weight (I am a yoga teacher and I

teach 6 classes every week, garden, and I have good

muscle tone, low body fat, I'm 55, and I sleep very

well.

I had to stop taking it although my husband is taking

it still -- he has Hep C.

I posted one of the websites for coconut oil

information on here where it stated that hypertension

was a contraindication for taking VCO. Somebody on

this list suggested I take the coconut water in

tetra-paks, but it is very high in sodium, the very

component that adversely affects blood pressure.

I would caution anybody taking VCO to monitor your

blood pressure before starting a steady diet of it, or

at least, test it every day. Also, make sure you

don't have blood coagulation or clotting. High blood

pressure and blood clots create strokes.

Best,

Deborah Herriage, RYT, LMT

www.heydeborah.com

--- vwolf21@... wrote:

> Uh Oh...this is not good...I cannot tolerate a jump

> in B.P.

> Anyone else experience this kind of thing? Virginia

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " Bonnie Cole " <bonnieview@...>

> Hello Everyone:

> So that VCO caused symptoms for 16 hours. AND it did

> put my Blood Pressure up and my usual medication did

> not work at all.

>

> I don't have such a bad reaction with the cheaper

> oils that I've bought, so it MUST be the Lauric and

> Caprylic.

>

> So was that a HERX reaction? What does it mean?

>

> Thanks,

> Bonnie

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

October 7, 2007

Thanks for this Deb. So if essential blood pressure is not caused by diet, then

you could use salt, right? What exactly causes this essential blood pressure to

rise, if not these things you mentioned?

Dr. Fife, insists that VCO does not raise BP and if it truely does, I would like

to know the mechanism, by which this happens.

Would anyone know this?

Thanks,

Bonnie

Re: A weird VCO experience Duncan /Uh Oh

I experienced a rise in blood pressure when I started

taking VCO too. I have what is known as essential

blood pressure which means it is not caused by diet

or exercise or even weight (I am a yoga teacher and I

teach 6 classes every week, garden, and I have good

muscle tone, low body fat, I'm 55, and I sleep very

well.

I had to stop taking it although my husband is taking

it still -- he has Hep C.

I posted one of the websites for coconut oil

information on here where it stated that hypertension

was a contraindication for taking VCO. Somebody on

this list suggested I take the coconut water in

tetra-paks, but it is very high in sodium, the very

component that adversely affects blood pressure.

I would caution anybody taking VCO to monitor your

blood pressure before starting a steady diet of it, or

at least, test it every day. Also, make sure you

don't have blood coagulation or clotting. High blood

pressure and blood clots create strokes.

Best,

Deborah Herriage, RYT, LMT

www.heydeborah.com

--- vwolf21@... wrote:

> Uh Oh...this is not good...I cannot tolerate a jump

> in B.P.

> Anyone else experience this kind of thing? Virginia

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " Bonnie Cole " <bonnieview@...>

> Hello Everyone:

> So that VCO caused symptoms for 16 hours. AND it did

> put my Blood Pressure up and my usual medication did

> not work at all.

>

> I don't have such a bad reaction with the cheaper

> oils that I've bought, so it MUST be the Lauric and

> Caprylic.

>

> So was that a HERX reaction? What does it mean?

>

> Thanks,

> Bonnie

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

October 7, 2007

I guess some people may be extra sensitive to this problem but of all the people

that I know that are using VCO, none have experienced a rise in BP.

Cheers, Doug

Re: A weird VCO experience Duncan /Uh Oh

I experienced a rise in blood pressure when I started

taking VCO too. I have what is known as essential

blood pressure which means it is not caused by diet

or exercise or even weight (I am a yoga teacher and I

teach 6 classes every week, garden, and I have good

muscle tone, low body fat, I'm 55, and I sleep very

well.

I had to stop taking it although my husband is taking

it still -- he has Hep C.

I posted one of the websites for coconut oil

information on here where it stated that hypertension

was a contraindication for taking VCO. Somebody on

this list suggested I take the coconut water in

tetra-paks, but it is very high in sodium, the very

component that adversely affects blood pressure.

I would caution anybody taking VCO to monitor your

blood pressure before starting a steady diet of it, or

at least, test it every day. Also, make sure you

don't have blood coagulation or clotting. High blood

pressure and blood clots create strokes.

Best,

Deborah Herriage, RYT, LMT

www.heydeborah.com

--- vwolf21@... wrote:

> Uh Oh...this is not good...I cannot tolerate a jump

> in B.P.

> Anyone else experience this kind of thing? Virginia

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " Bonnie Cole " <bonnieview@...>

> Hello Everyone:

> So that VCO caused symptoms for 16 hours. AND it did

> put my Blood Pressure up and my usual medication did

> not work at all.

>

> I don't have such a bad reaction with the cheaper

> oils that I've bought, so it MUST be the Lauric and

> Caprylic.

>

> So was that a HERX reaction? What does it mean?

>

> Thanks,

> Bonnie

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

October 8, 2007

Bonnie,

Here is the website stating that coconut oil is

contraindicative for HBP.

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/coconut_oil_facts.html.

I should clarify that I found this page AFTER I had

already stopped taking it. My discontinuing coconut

oil was as a result in the numbers. I had just

started taking it about two weeks before I caught the

pattern, and I was taking a teaspoon a day, intending

to build up the dose from there. Its the diastolic

numbers that seem to always go higher when it goes up,

but sometimes both will go up accordingly, and vice

versa. The only thing I know about 'essential HBP is

that its thought to be passed through genetics, or,

inherited. My father did have 3 heart attacks before

his passing, but his diet was horrible too and he

smoked. He was also using a lot of medications from a

bad accident he'd had where his entire pelvic bone was

crushed. Personally, I wondered how he survived any

of the heart attacks.

But, I don't want to go on record as trying to defeat

the popularity of using coconut oil. I still give it

to my husband.

I cannot say why coconut oil can contribute to higher

numbers in blood pressure -- all I can report is my

own experience. Its something anyone should be aware

of, regardless of the reason for using it.

Hypertension is a serious condition.

All the best,

Deborah

--- Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

> Thanks for this Deb. So if essential blood pressure

> is not caused by diet, then you could use salt,

> right? What exactly causes this essential blood

> pressure to rise, if not these things you mentioned?

>

> Dr. Fife, insists that VCO does not raise BP and if

> it truely does, I would like to know the mechanism,

> by which this happens.

>

> Would anyone know this?

>

> Thanks,

> Bonnie

> Re: A weird VCO

> experience Duncan /Uh Oh

>

> I experienced a rise in blood pressure when I

> started

> taking VCO too. I have what is known as essential

> blood pressure which means it is not caused by

> diet

> or exercise or even weight (I am a yoga teacher

> and I

> teach 6 classes every week, garden, and I have

> good

> muscle tone, low body fat, I'm 55, and I sleep

> very

> well.

>

> I had to stop taking it although my husband is

> taking

> it still -- he has Hep C.

>

> I posted one of the websites for coconut oil

> information on here where it stated that

> hypertension

> was a contraindication for taking VCO. Somebody on

> this list suggested I take the coconut water in

> tetra-paks, but it is very high in sodium, the

> very

> component that adversely affects blood pressure.

>

> I would caution anybody taking VCO to monitor your

> blood pressure before starting a steady diet of

> it, or

> at least, test it every day. Also, make sure you

> don't have blood coagulation or clotting. High

> blood

> pressure and blood clots create strokes.

>

> Best,

>

> Deborah Herriage, RYT, LMT

> www.heydeborah.com

>

> --- vwolf21@... wrote:

>

> > Uh Oh...this is not good...I cannot tolerate a

> jump

> > in B.P.

> > Anyone else experience this kind of thing?

> Virginia

> >

> > -------------- Original message --------------

> > From: " Bonnie Cole " <bonnieview@...>

> > Hello Everyone:

> > So that VCO caused symptoms for 16 hours. AND it

> did

> > put my Blood Pressure up and my usual medication

> did

> > not work at all.

> >

> > I don't have such a bad reaction with the

> cheaper

> > oils that I've bought, so it MUST be the Lauric

> and

> > Caprylic.

> >

> > So was that a HERX reaction? What does it mean?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bonnie

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

October 8, 2007

Hi Bonnie

I couldn't get the link to work.

Cheers, Doug

Re: A weird VCO experience Duncan /Uh Oh

Bonnie,

Here is the website stating that coconut oil is

contraindicative for HBP.

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/coconut_oil_facts.html.

October 8, 2007

I noted that the site in question did not produce a reference for

the contention that high diastolic BP may be linked to coconut or

MCT so I did a PubMed search and still found nothing on it.

I think I smell a myth. The only way I can see it might apply is

that the oil might help provoke Herx, a stressor, and any

stressor can jack blood pressure. That of course would be a sign

your therapy is working, and you can allow for the inconveniences

during the therapy. Bonnie's running into this too, with what was

it Bonnie, three of the best supplements?

Duncan

On 8 Oct 2007 at 22:44, Coconut Oil

wrote:

> Re: A weird VCO experience Duncan /Uh Oh

> Posted by: " D H " cheshirette@... cheshirette

> Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 12:25 pm ((PDT))

>

> Bonnie,

>

> Here is the website stating that coconut oil is

> contraindicative for HBP.

> http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/coconut_oil_facts.html.

>

October 9, 2007

Deborah,

That web page cannot be found.

Amber

=============

>

> Bonnie,

>

> Here is the website stating that coconut oil is

> contraindicative for HBP.

> http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/coconut_oil_facts.html.

>

> All the best,

>

> Deborah

>

October 9, 2007

Amber,

The link worked fine for me. Try again:

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/coconut_oil_facts.html

or try this one:

http://tinyurl.com/ywp5q8

On Oct 9, 2007, at 11:07 AM, amberblzn wrote:

> Deborah,

>

> That web page cannot be found.

>

> Amber

> =============

>

>>

>> Bonnie,

>>

>> Here is the website stating that coconut oil is

>> contraindicative for HBP.

>> http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/coconut_oil_facts.html.

>>

>> All the best,

>>

>> Deborah

October 9, 2007

I have very reactive BP, yet I have had no effects to my BP from VCO.

Also, a while after starting the VCO I started taking sea salt even

though I am supposed to be on a low sodium diet. Before starting sea

salt my blood tests had shown my sodium levels to be high and my

potasium levels to be low. I did hold a little water from the sea

salt initially, but my BP actually went down. So then I added (3) 99

mg tablets of potasium per day, and started using even more sea salt.

I lost the excess water, my BP dropped even further, and my newest

blood tests show that my blood sodium levels are lower. Surprize!

Later, (after the newest blood test) I also almost totally eliminated

sugar from my diet. The fact is that many sugary items also contain

salt. Even though I did not think I had any edema at all, my fingers

have gotton smaller. I am having one meal a day where I use liberal

amounts of sea salt. Now that I am off sugar (and it's accompaning

salt) I am considering adding even more sea salt to my diet. The days

I do not use the salt I do not feel as good as the days I do. By the

way, getting rid of the sugar did more for the way I feel than

anything I have ever done (though I do think putting the whole

package together will be the best for health).

I think it is a matter of getting various things balanced, and

healing my body. I am not expecting just one thing to be the magic

bullet that does it all.

Amber

============

..

>

> > Re: A weird VCO experience Duncan /Uh Oh

> > Posted by: " D H " cheshirette@... cheshirette

> > Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 12:25 pm ((PDT))

> >

> > Bonnie,

> >

> > Here is the website stating that coconut oil is

> > contraindicative for HBP.

> > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/coconut_oil_facts.html.

> >

>

October 9, 2007

,

The reason the link wouldn't work before is because she put a period

after html.

I got it now. Thanks,

Amber

=========

> >>

> >> Bonnie,

> >>

> >> Here is the website stating that coconut oil is

> >> contraindicative for HBP.

> >> http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/coconut_oil_facts.html.

> >>

> >> All the best,

> >>

> >> Deborah

>

October 9, 2007

Balance is what you are looking for and that takes tweaking... Water and sea

salt were the biggest balancer iI have been doing

HippeeSandee

amberblzn <amberblzn@...> wrote:

I think it is a matter of getting various things balanced, and

healing my body. I am not expecting just one thing to be the magic

bullet that does it all.

Amber

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