Re: Conflicting views

[Guest guest]

I never take cayenne on an empty stomach. I usiully take it with

food I am eating. I avoid chugging down cayenne tea or using it in

capsules. I moderate dose based on personal comfort -- it took me

several days to build-up to my present level of cayenne intake.

There is conflicting health advice about EVERYTHING, is there not?

Running research tests is expensive. Big companies are apt to do

research into things they can patent and use to make them money. Do

there are very few comprehensive studies on foods, and the studies on

vitaminins are usually small and lacking in information on

supplementing way above tghe RDA.

Alobar

On 12/17/06, Sally <sally.hoffman@...> wrote:

> I'm fed up with all the conflicting views on different health sites.

>

> Some say black pepper bad for liver, some say good liver tonic

> for an example

>

> Even nutritionist don't agree on everything.

> why is it so difficult to establish once and for all if a certain herb

> or supplement or whatever is beneficial or not.

>

> I've now decided it is the cayenne that is giving me the indigestion.

> Had no other supplements this morning, got up late thought i'd wait

> until dinner time. I've now got terrible dyspepsia and discomfort,

> just hope i haven't got an ulcer or something.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr was a huge(and early, not jumping on

the bandwagon in modern times) proponent of Cayenne. I

think his formulas have worked great for me. I'd like

to try his eye formula, has cayenne but I don't make

normal tears so was a bit afraid:O

I have had great gastric distress from a newer supp

that is gaining momentum and it is supposed to be

antiinflammatory:) This distress manifests by pain in

my stomach when I eat food:O. However, I am different

than the average person. I sometimes take aspirin too.

I have learned, well almost:), not to draw conclusions

as I am so very often finding myself wrong later.

[Guest guest]

Often, conflicting views are based in bias and/or ignorance.

The list for example has an owner that contends

candida eat their own waste, alcohol, and that alcohol is a

mycotoxin; neither point has any basis in fact. Similarly, she

admits to bias against undenatured whey, which is one of the most

positive health supplements you could take for several reasons,

and inulin, because it might feed candida, although the research

uniformly contradicts her opinion.

Trouble is, this kind mix of bias and ignorance, combined with a

resistance to accepting the facts when they are presented, is

passed down to the readership of 1800 people, who

will probably propagate it because it's all they know. In fact

Bee Wilder actively prevents on-list discussion of facts that

contradict her bias.

This is a close match to what I encountered a few years ago on

the tropical traditions coconut oil group, from which I was

banned for pointing out that the Primal Defense promotes

contains the cancer bacteria bacillus licheniformis. The reason

given was that the product is a money-maker; well, at least

ignorance wasn't the motivating factor in this case.

Dr. Weil until a couple of years ago was a big proponent of

canola oil. He now choses to champion olive oil but still today

advises against acidifying animal protein despite data that is

absolutely contradictory to his opinion that proves undenatured

whey protein is unique in that it is alkalizing and also the most

readily assimilable protein you could eat, with more than twice

the biological value than the plant proteins he recommends.

Pretty sloppy work coming from a doctor, regardless of whether

it's rooted in bias, ignorance, or financial gain.

Anyway, facts sometimes have little to do with the argument. I

recommend that everyone follow up by not accepting peoples'

opinions but instead digging a little deeper. That's why I use

ample keywords and usually post research links.

Duncan

On 18 Dec 2006 at 8:46, Coconut Oil

wrote:

> Re: Conflicting views

[Guest guest]

Below is the intro to a very informative article, " The Myths of Vegetarianism "

by Byrnes, PhD, RNCP from the Weston Price website. URL at

end to the full article, which has many many references listed.

Originally published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients,

July 2000. Revised January 2002. This paper is posted at:

http://www.powerhealth.net/selected_articles.htm.

" An unflinching determination to take the whole evidence into

account is the only method of preservation against the fluctuating

extremes of fashionable opinion. " —Alfred North Whitehead

Bill and sat before me in my office in a somber mood: they had

just lost their first baby in the second month of pregnancy. was

particularly upset. " Why did this happen to me? Why did I miscarry my

baby? " The young couple had come to see me mostly because of 's

recurrent respiratory infections, but also wanted some advice as to

how they could avoid the heartache of another failed pregnancy.

Upon questioning about her diet, I quickly saw the cause of her

infections, as well as her miscarriage: she had virtually no fat in

her diet and was also mostly a vegetarian. Because of the plentiful

media rhetoric about the supposed dangers of animal product

consumption, as opposed to the alleged health benefits of the

vegetarian lifestyle, had deliberately removed such things as

cream, butter, meats and fish from her diet. Although she liked liver,

she avoided it due to worries over " toxins. "

and Bill left with a bottle of vitamin A, other supplements and

a dietary prescription that included plentiful amounts of animal fats

and meat. Just before leaving my office, looked at me and said

ruefully: " I just don't know what to believe sometimes. Everywhere I

look there is all this low-fat, vegetarian stuff recommended. I

followed it, and look what happened. " I assured her that if she and

her husband changed their diets and allowed sufficient time for her

weakened uterus to heal, they would be happy parents in due time. In

November 2000, Bill and happily gave birth to their first child,

a girl.

The Evolution of a Myth

Along with the unjustified and unscientific saturated fat and

cholesterol scares of the past several decades has come the notion

that vegetarianism is a healthier dietary option for people. It seems

as if every health expert and government health agency is urging

people to eat fewer animal products and consume more vegetables,

grains, fruits and legumes. Along with these exhortations have come

assertions and studies supposedly proving that vegetarianism is

healthier for people and that meat consumption is associated with

sickness and death. Several authorities, however, have questioned

these data, but their objections have been largely ignored.

As we shall see, many of the vegetarian claims cannot be substantiated

and some are simply false and dangerous. There are benefits to

vegetarian diets for certain health conditions, and some people

function better on less fat and protein, but, as a practitioner who

has dealt with several former vegetarians and vegans (total

vegetarians), I know full well the dangerous effects of a diet devoid

of healthful animal products. It is my hope that all readers will more

carefully evaluate their position on vegetarianism after reading this

paper.

* Myth #1: Meat consumption contributes to famine and depletes the

Earth's natural resources.

* Myth #2: Vitamin B12 can be obtained from plant sources.

* Myth #3: Our needs for vitamin D can be met by sunlight.

* Myth #4: The body's needs for vitamin A can be entirely obtained

from plant foods.

* Myth #5: Meat-eating causes osteoporosis, kidney disease, heart

disease, and cancer.

* Myth #6: Saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart

disease, atherosclerosis, and/or cancer, and low-fat, low-cholesterol

diets are healthier for people.

* Myth #7: Vegetarians live longer and have more energy and

endurance than meat-eaters.

* Myth #8: The " cave man " diet was low-fat and/or vegetarian.

Humans evolved as vegetarians.

* Myth #9: Meat and saturated fat consumption have increased in

the 20th century, with a corresponding increase in heart disease and

cancer.

* Myth #10: Soy products are adequate substitutes for meat and

dairy products.

* Myth #11: The human body is not designed for meat consumption.

* Myth #12: Eating animal flesh causes violent, aggressive

behavior in humans.

* Myth #13: Animal products contain numerous, harmful toxins.

* Myth #14: Eating meat or animal products is less " spiritual "

than eating only plant foods.

* Myth #15: Eating animal foods is inhumane.

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtvegetarianism.html

Alobar

On 12/18/06, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Often, conflicting views are based in bias and/or ignorance.

[Guest guest]

" Along with the unjustified and unscientific saturated fat and

cholesterol scares of the past several decades has come the notion

that vegetarianism is a healthier dietary option for people. It seems

as if every health expert and government health agency is urging

people to eat fewer animal products and consume more vegetables,

grains, fruits and legumes. "

Huge setback - this morning's news carried the latest story that says

vegetarians have higher IQs than meat eaters, although strict vegans don't

because they don't consume dairy. What the heck does your diet have to do

with IQ, anyway? Can you change it by eating something different? I don't

think so. It all goes back to " different strokes for different folks " .

Some people do well on a vegetarian diet. I did not! Dreamed of meat

constantly, even though I stuck with it for 7 years. I was more ethical

than health oriented, but I think each person needs to find their metabolic

type and go with that. I am a carnivore through and through and am much

happier since I admitted it and live by it. A heaping spoonful of VCO in my

coffee every morning has not put any weight on me even though it has

increased my calorie intake considerably. (I don't get on a scale anymore

but my clothes tell the tale.) Just thought I would jump into the fray with

my 2 cents. Conflicting views are just that - Views. Each person MUST find

out for themselves what is best for them.

Whew!

Hugs for the Holidays,

Bev

[Guest guest]

Over many generations, humans appear to have greatly increased brain

size by being mammals along the coasts and eating lots of marine life

high in omega 3 oils. It is called the Aquatic Ape hypothesis.

Seems to me the reverse would be true for people who stayed away fro

eating marine sources of omega 3. But it would not show in a single,

or even a handful, of generations.

The contention that vegetarians have higher IQs and that smart people

become vegetarians later in life sure contradicts all the people in

MENSA I have met. Sure, some are vegetarian, but I never noticed a

big preponderance of them in MENSA, the International High IQ Society.

Alobar

On 12/18/06, BEVERLE SWEITZER <redbeverle1@...> wrote:

> " Along with the unjustified and unscientific saturated fat and

> cholesterol scares of the past several decades has come the notion

> that vegetarianism is a healthier dietary option for people. It seems

> as if every health expert and government health agency is urging

> people to eat fewer animal products and consume more vegetables,

> grains, fruits and legumes. "

>

> Huge setback - this morning's news carried the latest story that says

> vegetarians have higher IQs than meat eaters, although strict vegans don't

> because they don't consume dairy. What the heck does your diet have to do

> with IQ, anyway? Can you change it by eating something different? I don't

> think so. It all goes back to " different strokes for different folks " .

> Some people do well on a vegetarian diet. I did not! Dreamed of meat

> constantly, even though I stuck with it for 7 years. I was more ethical

> than health oriented, but I think each person needs to find their metabolic

> type and go with that. I am a carnivore through and through and am much

> happier since I admitted it and live by it. A heaping spoonful of VCO in my

> coffee every morning has not put any weight on me even though it has

> increased my calorie intake considerably. (I don't get on a scale anymore

> but my clothes tell the tale.) Just thought I would jump into the fray with

> my 2 cents. Conflicting views are just that - Views. Each person MUST find

> out for themselves what is best for them.

> Whew!

> Hugs for the Holidays,

> Bev

>