Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut Oil

[Guest guest]

I don't think there is such a thing as extra virgin coconut oil so to speak.

One has to find out how their virgin coconut oil is processed and that is it.

Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut Oil

Hi,

I've just joined and have a question about whether

only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I looked

for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

but could only find Spectrum refined coconut oil. When

I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil, they

could not find it on their list of suppliers!

I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores rather than

have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so hard to find

extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined coconut oil?

Jenifer

[Guest guest]

I use the spectrum organic oil & am quite satisfied with it.

See the PDF file from the company in the files section of the

groups website for this group. Also check the message

archives. We have discussed this topic at least twice before.

Alobar

Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut Oil

>

> Hi,

>

> I've just joined and have a question about whether

> only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I looked

> for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

> but could only find Spectrum refined coconut oil. When

> I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil, they

> could not find it on their list of suppliers!

>

> I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

> find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores rather than

> have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so hard to find

> extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

>

> Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined coconut oil?

>

> Jenifer

[Guest guest]

Thanks and Alobar for answering my question.

I did read the file on the Spectrum oil and searched the

archives. This from Lorenzo was reassuring:

>>Because some three or four hundred degrees is said to not damage

Coconut Oil

in cooking, then it seems that the expeller press is fine. It would be

other processes that would damage or contaminate the oil.

There is a possibility that the oil known as expeller pressed is almost as

good as the oil made by gentler methods.<<

However, if anyone here has tried both the Spectrum brand and the

Tropical Traditions and has an opinion on which is better, I'd be

interested to hear from them.

Oops, just checked and I realized that I don't have Spectrum oil after

all...I got the coconut oil I have on my shelf at Trader Joe's. It is

organic and expeller pressed so I guess it should be OK...it does seem

like a lot of people are super interested in the oil at this time. I

have not been using mine but plan to start taking it in soup, rice,

yogurt or millet...I guess a couple tablespoons a day should do it.

Would also be interested to hear about its effectiveness for skin use,

or should I check the archives for this under " cosmetic use of coconut

oil " ?

Thanks,

Jenifer

(yup, one " n " !)

>

>

> I don't think there is such a thing as extra virgin coconut oil so

to speak. One has to find out how their virgin coconut oil is

processed and that is it.

>

>

> [>>Coconut Oil] Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut Oil

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I've just joined and have a question about whether

> only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I looked

> for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

> but could only find Spectrum refined coconut oil. When

> I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil, they

> could not find it on their list of suppliers!

>

> I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

> find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores rather than

> have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so hard to find

> extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

>

> Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined coconut oil?

>

> Jenifer

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut

Oil

>

> Thanks and Alobar for answering my question.

> I did read the file on the Spectrum oil and searched the

> archives. This from Lorenzo was reassuring:

>

> >>Because some three or four hundred degrees is said to not damage

> Coconut Oil

> in cooking, then it seems that the expeller press is fine. It would

be

> other processes that would damage or contaminate the oil.

>

> There is a possibility that the oil known as expeller pressed is

almost as

> good as the oil made by gentler methods.<<

>

> However, if anyone here has tried both the Spectrum brand and the

> Tropical Traditions and has an opinion on which is better, I'd be

> interested to hear from them.

I have used a big tub of Tropical Traditions oil. Very good

stuff. I use Spectrum Naturals now, mainly because of convenience

as it isa vailable locally at the Whole Foods Market. It seems just

as good as Tropical traditions, but I have not used them side by

side. Tropical Traditions oil is slighly more white when solid than

Spectrum oil. I also had a small sample of Wilderness Family

Naturals coconut oil back when I was using Tropical Traditions oil.

They seemed virtually identical to me.

>

> Oops, just checked and I realized that I don't have Spectrum oil

after

> all...I got the coconut oil I have on my shelf at Trader Joe's. It

is

> organic and expeller pressed so I guess it should be OK...

When I was unsure about the Specturm Naturals oil, I copied

their website info off a jar in the store & from the website I

located an e-mail address. They answered all my questions &

supplied me with the PDF file which is now in the list files section.

Maybe whoever makes the oil you can get locally woul supply you with

more info you could share here. The more good options we have the

better.

>it does seem

> like a lot of people are super interested in the oil at this time.

I

> have not been using mine but plan to start taking it in soup, rice,

> yogurt or millet...I guess a couple tablespoons a day should do it.

>

> Would also be interested to hear about its effectiveness for skin

use,

> or should I check the archives for this under " cosmetic use of

coconut

> oil " ?

I work outside. I try to stay out of the sun, but sometimes

I get a windburn or a bit of a sunburn. I find coconut oil is great

for all but the most severe cases. I apply it at night & I usually

do not need another application. Sometimes I put on more when I

wake up, but usually it is not needed. Coconut oil is also good for

annoyingly sensitive nostrils I sometimes get when I have a cold.

I smear some up my nostrils before bedtime. Some skin stuff

requires more brutal medications, but I always reach for coconut oil

first to see if that will take care of things without needing the

harsh stuff.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

Thank you .

I also have gotten the VCO from Tropical Traditions, but as you say,

it is so coconutty that I do not want to use it for many dishes. I

need a long term plan here (so I can make coconut oil a way of living

so to speak) so I need to find some ways to incorporate a lot of

coconut oil without the taste/odor overwhelming me too much.

I may go with Tropical Traditions Expeller. I would go with Tropical

Traditions Expeller or with Wilderness if I could get it at a local

store (without having to pay the shipping), but if I can find

something cheaper that is as good, I will rather buy that.

As far as I know, Trader Joes puts out pretty good products (correct

me if I'm wrong), so I wanted to check it out *if* it's close to

odorless.

Tomo

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't think there is such a thing as extra virgin coconut

oil so

> > > to speak. One has to find out how their virgin coconut oil is

> > > processed and that is it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [>>Coconut Oil] Obtaining Extra Virgin

> > Coconut Oil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I've just joined and have a question about whether

> > > > only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I looked

> > > > for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

> > > > but could only find Spectrum refined coconut oil. When

> > > > I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil, they

> > > > could not find it on their list of suppliers!

> > > >

> > > > I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

> > > > find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores rather than

> > > > have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so hard to find

> > > > extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

> > > >

> > > > Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined

coconut

> > oil?

> > > >

> > > > Jenifer

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Tomo,

The Trader Joe's coconut oil has a *slight* coconut taste, barely

detectable. I used it on baked potatoes today and it was ^delicious^

(with a sprinking of garlic powder and sea salt). Who needs potato chips??

I may contact Trader Joe's for info about their coconut oil as per

Alobar's request. Thanks for the info about its use for the skin, Alobar!

> As far as I know, Trader Joes puts out pretty good products (correct

> me if I'm wrong), so I wanted to check it out *if* it's close to

> odorless.

Trader Joe's puts out pretty good products in general, although I am

dismayed to see how often canola oil is on their list of ingredients

(not in the coconut oil though!).

It is my understanding that canola oil has been shown to be very

destructive to health. I may pursue this subject with them...

Jenifer

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't think there is such a thing as extra virgin coconut

> oil so

> > > > to speak. One has to find out how their virgin coconut oil is

> > > > processed and that is it.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [>>Coconut Oil] Obtaining Extra Virgin

> > > Coconut Oil

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I've just joined and have a question about whether

> > > > > only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I looked

> > > > > for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

> > > > > but could only find Spectrum refined coconut oil. When

> > > > > I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil, they

> > > > > could not find it on their list of suppliers!

> > > > >

> > > > > I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

> > > > > find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores rather than

> > > > > have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so hard to find

> > > > > extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

> > > > >

> > > > > Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined

> coconut

> > > oil?

> > > > >

> > > > > Jenifer

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jenifer,

Thank you for your post.

I actually went and got Trader Joe's coconut oil last night! And I

detect no coconut odor!!!

Would you post the information if you do contact Trader Joe's? I will

probably use Trader Joe's stuff at least until I am ready to order

the next batch from Tropical Traditions, or some other place.

As a side note, Trader Joe's CO said " refined " but I don't know what

it means, because it says " organic *expeller* coconut oil " and that

it was processed " with no solvant " ... (can't remember the exact

wording but this is the jest of it..) I guess " expeller " can equate

to " refined " ? or " refined " means some more processing that they are

not getting into on the label.

Hmm...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't think there is such a thing as extra virgin

coconut

> > oil so

> > > > > to speak. One has to find out how their virgin coconut oil

is

> > > > > processed and that is it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [>>Coconut Oil] Obtaining Extra

Virgin

> > > > Coconut Oil

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've just joined and have a question about whether

> > > > > > only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I looked

> > > > > > for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

> > > > > > but could only find Spectrum refined coconut oil. When

> > > > > > I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil,

they

> > > > > > could not find it on their list of suppliers!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

> > > > > > find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores rather

than

> > > > > > have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so hard to

find

> > > > > > extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined

> > coconut

> > > > oil?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jenifer

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I suspect the label is implying that the oil is deodorized

& /or bleached. I would contact the company for more details if I

were you.

Alobar

Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut

Oil

> Hi Jenifer,

>

> Thank you for your post.

>

> I actually went and got Trader Joe's coconut oil last night! And I

> detect no coconut odor!!!

>

> Would you post the information if you do contact Trader Joe's? I

will

> probably use Trader Joe's stuff at least until I am ready to order

> the next batch from Tropical Traditions, or some other place.

>

> As a side note, Trader Joe's CO said " refined " but I don't know

what

> it means, because it says " organic *expeller* coconut oil " and

that

> it was processed " with no solvant " ... (can't remember the exact

> wording but this is the jest of it..) I guess " expeller " can equate

> to " refined " ? or " refined " means some more processing that they are

> not getting into on the label.

>

> Hmm...

[Guest guest]

I just checked out Tropical Traditions too, and their expeller oil

said " refined " , and " deodorized " . I guess you cannot make odorless

oil without some refining...

> I suspect the label is implying that the oil is deodorized

> & /or bleached. I would contact the company for more details if I

> were you.

>

> Alobar

>

>

> Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut

> Oil

>

>

> > Hi Jenifer,

> >

> > Thank you for your post.

> >

> > I actually went and got Trader Joe's coconut oil last night! And I

> > detect no coconut odor!!!

> >

> > Would you post the information if you do contact Trader Joe's? I

> will

> > probably use Trader Joe's stuff at least until I am ready to order

> > the next batch from Tropical Traditions, or some other place.

> >

> > As a side note, Trader Joe's CO said " refined " but I don't know

> what

> > it means, because it says " organic *expeller* coconut oil " and

> that

> > it was processed " with no solvant " ... (can't remember the exact

> > wording but this is the jest of it..) I guess " expeller " can

equate

> > to " refined " ? or " refined " means some more processing that they

are

> > not getting into on the label.

> >

> > Hmm...

[Guest guest]

read at www.coconut-info.com and wilderness etc

www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com

Also plant enzymes are damaged at 115 deg. or so but I have not found any

place that discusses this for coconut.

Also squeezing or pressing produces heat

Lorenzo

Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut Oil

Thanks and Alobar for answering my question.

I did read the file on the Spectrum oil and searched the

archives. This from Lorenzo was reassuring:

>>Because some three or four hundred degrees is said to not damage

Coconut Oil

in cooking, then it seems that the expeller press is fine. It would be

other processes that would damage or contaminate the oil.

There is a possibility that the oil known as expeller pressed is almost as

good as the oil made by gentler methods.<<

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[Guest guest]

What does rbd stand for?

The Spectrum Organic Coconut Oil also says it is expeller

pressed and refined...

so does this lead back to the necessity of obtaining virgin

coconut oil?

(sigh...)

Jenifer

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't think there is such a thing as extra virgin

> coconut

> > > oil so

> > > > > > to speak. One has to find out how their virgin coconut oil

> is

> > > > > > processed and that is it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [>>Coconut Oil] Obtaining Extra

> Virgin

> > > > > Coconut Oil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've just joined and have a question about whether

> > > > > > > only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I looked

> > > > > > > for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

> > > > > > > but could only find Spectrum refined coconut oil. When

> > > > > > > I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil,

> they

> > > > > > > could not find it on their list of suppliers!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

> > > > > > > find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores rather

> than

> > > > > > > have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so hard to

> find

> > > > > > > extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined

> > > coconut

> > > > > oil?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jenifer

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

RBD Refined, Bleached and Deodorized.

Also it costs $10 a gallon plus postage.

We bought two gallons at a time several years ago. The kind We bought was

Theatre Popcorn Oil, it was treated with beta carotene to give it a yellow

color and buttery flavor. If you want some ask your Movie House if they

will sell some you may save postage.

When VCO became available We changed to that at $60 a gallon.

The difference is moot.

Lorenzo

Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut Oil

What does rbd stand for?

The Spectrum Organic Coconut Oil also says it is expeller

pressed and refined...

so does this lead back to the necessity of obtaining virgin

coconut oil?

(sigh...)

J

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[Guest guest]

Some rbd coconut oil use controversial hexane to remove the color, taste and

odor.

Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut Oil

What does rbd stand for?

The Spectrum Organic Coconut Oil also says it is expeller

pressed and refined...

so does this lead back to the necessity of obtaining virgin

coconut oil?

(sigh...)

J

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[Guest guest]

So...refined, bleached and deodorized doesn't sound very

natural or healthy...but Lorenzo does not seem convinced

that the virgin stuff is any better even though it is much

more expensive.

Since I dislike ordering stuff thru the mail for various

reasons, and Tropical Traditions is not available in the

stores (why not??) I guess I will trust Lorenzo. What do YOU think,

vconado?

Jenifer

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't think there is such a thing as extra virgin

> > coconut

> > > > oil so

> > > > > > > to speak. One has to find out how their virgin

coconut oil

> > is

> > > > > > > processed and that is it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [>>Coconut Oil] Obtaining Extra

> > Virgin

> > > > > > Coconut Oil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I've just joined and have a question about whether

> > > > > > > > only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I

looked

> > > > > > > > for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

> > > > > > > > but could only find Spectrum refined coconut

oil. When

> > > > > > > > I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil,

> > they

> > > > > > > > could not find it on their list of suppliers!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

> > > > > > > > find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores

rather

> > than

> > > > > > > > have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so

hard to

> > find

> > > > > > > > extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined

> > > > coconut

> > > > > > oil?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jenifer

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

For myself, I don't need the specific " virgin " brand, but I

can tell the difference between solvent extracted coconut oil and the

expeller pressed variety I get from spectrum naturals. I won't even

use the solvent extracted stuff on my skin. The solvent extracted

oil is good for household uses like squeaky hinges & keeping my old

fashioned manual can opener working smoothly, etc., but not for food

or cosmetic use (IMO).

I do acknowledge that if the oil has not been steam treated

at all it may be better for m, but convenience does figure into the

equation. If no oil was available locally, I would want an oil

with the *maximum* coconut flavor & smell because that is the oil

which is least damaged by processing.

Alobar

Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut

Oil

So...refined, bleached and deodorized doesn't sound very

natural or healthy...but Lorenzo does not seem convinced

that the virgin stuff is any better even though it is much

more expensive.

Since I dislike ordering stuff thru the mail for various

reasons, and Tropical Traditions is not available in the

stores (why not??) I guess I will trust Lorenzo. What do YOU think,

vconado?

Jenifer

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your comments, and Alobar. Probably the virgin oil is

better for us, but as you said, Alobar, convenience figures into the

equation. I can buy Spectrum and Trader Joe's organic coconut oils

nearby, but not Tropical Traditions.

Which brings us to the question of why TT is not in the stores? Why

make it more complicated than necessary to obtain the oil? As I noted

previously, the natural foods store near me could not even find them

in their list of suppliers.

Anyone know why?

Jenifer

-- In Coconut Oil , " Alobar " <alobar@b...>

wrote:

> For myself, I don't need the specific " virgin " brand, but I

> can tell the difference between solvent extracted coconut oil and the

> expeller pressed variety I get from spectrum naturals. I won't even

> use the solvent extracted stuff on my skin. The solvent extracted

> oil is good for household uses like squeaky hinges & keeping my old

> fashioned manual can opener working smoothly, etc., but not for food

> or cosmetic use (IMO).

>

> I do acknowledge that if the oil has not been steam treated

> at all it may be better for m, but convenience does figure into the

> equation. If no oil was available locally, I would want an oil

> with the *maximum* coconut flavor & smell because that is the oil

> which is least damaged by processing.

>

> Alobar

>

>

> Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut

> Oil

>

>

>

> So...refined, bleached and deodorized doesn't sound very

> natural or healthy...but Lorenzo does not seem convinced

> that the virgin stuff is any better even though it is much

> more expensive.

>

> Since I dislike ordering stuff thru the mail for various

> reasons, and Tropical Traditions is not available in the

> stores (why not??) I guess I will trust Lorenzo. What do YOU think,

> vconado?

>

> Jenifer

[Guest guest]

I am guessing here. Someone like would be much better

able to explain the realities. But consider that wide-spread

distribution means a case of oil on the shelves of 2 or 3 different

stores in about 5,000 (or more!) cities around the US. And that

only hits larger cities. That is a lot of oil. Do smaller

companies, like Tropical Traditions, have the ability to make &

distribute that much oil, week in & week out all throughout the year?

Alobar

Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut

Oil

> Thanks for your comments, and Alobar. Probably the virgin oil

is

> better for us, but as you said, Alobar, convenience figures into

the

> equation. I can buy Spectrum and Trader Joe's organic coconut oils

> nearby, but not Tropical Traditions.

>

> Which brings us to the question of why TT is not in the stores? Why

> make it more complicated than necessary to obtain the oil? As I

noted

> previously, the natural foods store near me could not even find

them

> in their list of suppliers.

>

> Anyone know why?

>

> Jenifer

[Guest guest]

I just want to correct some mis-statements made by Bill (vconado)

from Germany. Tropical Traditions does not use enzymes at all in its

fermentation process in the Philippines, and the process does not

produce high free fatty acids, as laboratory tests consistently

prove. We use a traditional method of extraction that people in the

Philippines have used for hundreds, if not thousands of years, as

opposed to machine mass-produced coconut oils. Our customers also

would not describe the taste as " sour " at all.

As to the Tropical Traditions brand being available in the stores,

it is currently available in more than 200 locations across the US,

including many GNC stores, and growing daily. If your store does not

stock it, have them contact us. We have no problems with supply, and

are probably better stocked than anyone else in America right now.

So yes, we do have the ability to distribute " that much oil. " We are

not listed as a supplier to many chains yet because these chains use

very specific distribution channels, and we are still a realtively

new company. Anybody can order directly from us, and many do. But

many stores will only work through certain brokers, because they

don't have the time, or don't take the time, to develop their own

sources.

That is why you see primarily the same brands sold in most health

food stores.

I hope that answers everyone's questions. If not, let me know.

Wales

Tropical Traditions

From: " Wilhelm Kuhlmann Aktien-Galerie " <wk@a...>

Date: Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:38 pm

Subject: AW: Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin

Coconut Oil

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Dear Jenifer,

deodorized co is offered in Germany even as " bio " or organic, which

is

probably the same as the odor- and tasteless products like Trader

Joe`s,

etc. It is obviously somewhat better than the industrial rbd oil.

Then there

is expeller pressed vco, which has never seen temperatures above 65 °

C

neither on drying nor on pressing. This I personally prefer over the

emzymatically fermented vco as done by Tropical Traditions. The

reason is,

that vco produced via enzymatic fermentation easily develops a

certain sour

taste, caused by the formation of free fatty acids by enzymes still

active

in the residual water content of the oil. This is often demonstrated

by a

yellowish oil rim on top of the pail, when you open it. And I happen

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which still

contains most of the vital ingredients of a fresh coconut. In

comparison the

deodorized oil smells and tastes dead. I actually detest it.

rgds

vconado

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Jenifer [mailto:jenifer@t...]

Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. September 2003 21:34

An: Coconut Oil

Betreff: Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut

Oil

So...refined, bleached and deodorized doesn't sound very

natural or healthy...but Lorenzo does not seem convinced

that the virgin stuff is any better even though it is much

more expensive.

Since I dislike ordering stuff thru the mail for various

reasons, and Tropical Traditions is not available in the

stores (why not??) I guess I will trust Lorenzo. What do YOU think,

vconado?

Jenifer

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't think there is such a thing as extra virgin

> > coconut

> > > > oil so

> > > > > > > to speak. One has to find out how their virgin

coconut oil

> > is

> > > > > > > processed and that is it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [>>Coconut Oil] Obtaining Extra

> > Virgin

> > > > > > Coconut Oil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I've just joined and have a question about whether

> > > > > > > > only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I

looked

> > > > > > > > for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

> > > > > > > > but could only find Spectrum refined coconut

oil. When

> > > > > > > > I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil,

> > they

> > > > > > > > could not find it on their list of suppliers!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

> > > > > > > > find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores

rather

> > than

> > > > > > > > have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so

hard to

> > find

> > > > > > > > extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined

> > > > coconut

> > > > > > oil?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jenifer

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Its good to know there are likely to be good sources of Tropical traditions=

coconut oil locally available in the health food stores soon.I will definat=

ely push to have them contact you to get your prices.

Thanks for the information!

IN NC-

-- In Coconut Oil , " travis_wales " <travis_wales@=

y...> wrote:

> I just want to correct some mis-statements made by Bill (vconado)

> from Germany. Tropical Traditions does not use enzymes at all in its

> fermentation process in the Philippines, and the process does not

> produce high free fatty acids, as laboratory tests consistently

> prove. We use a traditional method of extraction that people in the

> Philippines have used for hundreds, if not thousands of years, as

> opposed to machine mass-produced coconut oils. Our customers also

> would not describe the taste as " sour " at all.

>

> As to the Tropical Traditions brand being available in the stores,

> it is currently available in more than 200 locations across the US,

> including many GNC stores, and growing daily. If your store does not

> stock it, have them contact us. We have no problems with supply, and

> are probably better stocked than anyone else in America right now.

> So yes, we do have the ability to distribute " that much oil. " We are

> not listed as a supplier to many chains yet because these chains use

> very specific distribution channels, and we are still a realtively

> new company. Anybody can order directly from us, and many do. But

> many stores will only work through certain brokers, because they

> don't have the time, or don't take the time, to develop their own

> sources.

>

> That is why you see primarily the same brands sold in most health

> food stores.

>

> I hope that answers everyone's questions. If not, let me know.

>

> Wales

>

> Tropical Traditions

>

>

>

> From: " Wilhelm Kuhlmann Aktien-Galerie " <wk@a...>

> Date: Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:38 pm

> Subject: AW: Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin

> Coconut Oil

>

>

> ADVERTISEMENT

>

>

> Dear Jenifer,

>

> deodorized co is offered in Germany even as " bio " or organic, which

> is

> probably the same as the odor- and tasteless products like Trader

> Joe`s,

> etc. It is obviously somewhat better than the industrial rbd oil.

> Then there

> is expeller pressed vco, which has never seen temperatures above 65 °

> C

> neither on drying nor on pressing. This I personally prefer over the

> emzymatically fermented vco as done by Tropical Traditions. The

> reason is,

> that vco produced via enzymatic fermentation easily develops a

> certain sour

> taste, caused by the formation of free fatty acids by enzymes still

> active

> in the residual water content of the oil. This is often demonstrated

> by a

> yellowish oil rim on top of the pail, when you open it. And I happen

> to like

> the sweat coconutty smell and taste of the expeller pressed vco,

> which still

> contains most of the vital ingredients of a fresh coconut. In

> comparison the

> deodorized oil smells and tastes dead. I actually detest it.

>

> rgds

> vconado

>

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> Von: Jenifer [mailto:jenifer@t...]

> Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. September 2003 21:34

> An: Coconut Oil

> Betreff: Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut

> Oil

>

>

>

> So...refined, bleached and deodorized doesn't sound very

> natural or healthy...but Lorenzo does not seem convinced

> that the virgin stuff is any better even though it is much

> more expensive.

>

> Since I dislike ordering stuff thru the mail for various

> reasons, and Tropical Traditions is not available in the

> stores (why not??) I guess I will trust Lorenzo. What do YOU think,

> vconado?

>

> Jenifer

>

>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I don't think there is such a thing as extra virgin

> > > coconut

> > > > > oil so

> > > > > > > > to speak. One has to find out how their virgin

> coconut oil

> > > is

> > > > > > > > processed and that is it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [>>Coconut Oil] Obtaining Extra

> > > Virgin

> > > > > > > Coconut Oil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I've just joined and have a question about whether

> > > > > > > > > only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I

> looked

> > > > > > > > > for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

> > > > > > > > > but could only find Spectrum refined coconut

> oil. When

> > > > > > > > > I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil,

> > > they

> > > > > > > > > could not find it on their list of suppliers!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

> > > > > > > > > find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores

> rather

> > > than

> > > > > > > > > have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so

> hard to

> > > find

> > > > > > > > > extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined

> > > > > coconut

> > > > > > > oil?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jenifer

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I too will be pushing for this...I was in a GNC

store recently, asking for coconut oil, and they only

had the cosmetic stuff from Spectrum.

I live in San Francisco and one might assume that

it should be easier to find products in a large city

like this...do you have any locations in SF where I could

obtain the oil, ? Or better, do you have a list of

locations available for us all to check out?

Many thanks,

Jenifer

-- In Coconut Oil , " laura Wilkins "

<montemomma2002@y...> wrote:

> Its good to know there are likely to be good sources of Tropical

traditions=

> coconut oil locally available in the health food stores soon.I will

definat=

> ely push to have them contact you to get your prices.

> Thanks for the information!

> IN NC-

>

>

>

> -- In Coconut Oil , " travis_wales "

<travis_wales@=

> y...> wrote:

> > I just want to correct some mis-statements made by Bill (vconado)

> > from Germany. Tropical Traditions does not use enzymes at all in its

> > fermentation process in the Philippines, and the process does not

> > produce high free fatty acids, as laboratory tests consistently

> > prove. We use a traditional method of extraction that people in the

> > Philippines have used for hundreds, if not thousands of years, as

> > opposed to machine mass-produced coconut oils. Our customers also

> > would not describe the taste as " sour " at all.

> >

> > As to the Tropical Traditions brand being available in the stores,

> > it is currently available in more than 200 locations across the US,

> > including many GNC stores, and growing daily. If your store does not

> > stock it, have them contact us. We have no problems with supply, and

> > are probably better stocked than anyone else in America right now.

> > So yes, we do have the ability to distribute " that much oil. " We are

> > not listed as a supplier to many chains yet because these chains use

> > very specific distribution channels, and we are still a realtively

> > new company. Anybody can order directly from us, and many do. But

> > many stores will only work through certain brokers, because they

> > don't have the time, or don't take the time, to develop their own

> > sources.

> >

> > That is why you see primarily the same brands sold in most health

> > food stores.

> >

> > I hope that answers everyone's questions. If not, let me know.

> >

> > Wales

> >

> > Tropical Traditions

> >

> >

> >

> > From: " Wilhelm Kuhlmann Aktien-Galerie " <wk@a...>

> > Date: Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:38 pm

> > Subject: AW: Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin

> > Coconut Oil

> >

> >

> > ADVERTISEMENT

> >

> >

> > Dear Jenifer,

> >

> > deodorized co is offered in Germany even as " bio " or organic, which

> > is

> > probably the same as the odor- and tasteless products like Trader

> > Joe`s,

> > etc. It is obviously somewhat better than the industrial rbd oil.

> > Then there

> > is expeller pressed vco, which has never seen temperatures above 65 °

> > C

> > neither on drying nor on pressing. This I personally prefer over the

> > emzymatically fermented vco as done by Tropical Traditions. The

> > reason is,

> > that vco produced via enzymatic fermentation easily develops a

> > certain sour

> > taste, caused by the formation of free fatty acids by enzymes still

> > active

> > in the residual water content of the oil. This is often demonstrated

> > by a

> > yellowish oil rim on top of the pail, when you open it. And I happen

> > to like

> > the sweat coconutty smell and taste of the expeller pressed vco,

> > which still

> > contains most of the vital ingredients of a fresh coconut. In

> > comparison the

> > deodorized oil smells and tastes dead. I actually detest it.

> >

> > rgds

> > vconado

> >

> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> > Von: Jenifer [mailto:jenifer@t...]

> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. September 2003 21:34

> > An: Coconut Oil

> > Betreff: Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin Coconut

> > Oil

> >

> >

> >

> > So...refined, bleached and deodorized doesn't sound very

> > natural or healthy...but Lorenzo does not seem convinced

> > that the virgin stuff is any better even though it is much

> > more expensive.

> >

> > Since I dislike ordering stuff thru the mail for various

> > reasons, and Tropical Traditions is not available in the

> > stores (why not??) I guess I will trust Lorenzo. What do YOU think,

> > vconado?

> >

> > Jenifer

> >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I don't think there is such a thing as extra virgin

> > > > coconut

> > > > > > oil so

> > > > > > > > > to speak. One has to find out how their virgin

> > coconut oil

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > processed and that is it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [>>Coconut Oil] Obtaining Extra

> > > > Virgin

> > > > > > > > Coconut Oil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I've just joined and have a question about whether

> > > > > > > > > > only extra virgin coconut oil is worth using. I

> > looked

> > > > > > > > > > for the extra virgin oil in the natural foods store

> > > > > > > > > > but could only find Spectrum refined coconut

> > oil. When

> > > > > > > > > > I asked if they could stock Tropical Traditions oil,

> > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > could not find it on their list of suppliers!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I would be happy to buy extra virgin if only I could

> > > > > > > > > > find it. I prefer to obtain food in the stores

> > rather

> > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > have to order it thru the mail. Why is it so

> > hard to

> > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > extra virgin coconut oil in the stores?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Are there any benefits to using the Spectrum refined

> > > > > > coconut

> > > > > > > > oil?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jenifer

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

>I too will be pushing for this...I was in a GNC

>store recently, asking for coconut oil, and they only

>had the cosmetic stuff from Spectrum.

>

>I live in San Francisco and one might assume that

>it should be easier to find products in a large city

>like this...do you have any locations in SF where I could

>obtain the oil, ? Or better, do you have a list of

>locations available for us all to check out?

>

>Many thanks,

>

>Jenifer

I'd be interested in that information, too. I live in Oakland and

work in San Francisco.

Cheers,

Jeanmarie Todd

[Guest guest]

Hey, lots of bay area people here!

Just in case someone lives in my area, or you have any reason to go

to the south bay, this weekend, I found Virgin Oil De Coco-Creme from

Canada at Country Sun in Palo Alto (California Ave.) and they carry

VCO from Garden of Life also but they said Garden of Life was always

out of stock.

Tomo

> >I too will be pushing for this...I was in a GNC

> >store recently, asking for coconut oil, and they only

> >had the cosmetic stuff from Spectrum.

> >

> >I live in San Francisco and one might assume that

> >it should be easier to find products in a large city

> >like this...do you have any locations in SF where I could

> >obtain the oil, ? Or better, do you have a list of

> >locations available for us all to check out?

> >

> >Many thanks,

> >

> >Jenifer

>

>

> I'd be interested in that information, too. I live in Oakland and

> work in San Francisco.

> Cheers,

> Jeanmarie Todd

[Guest guest]

>Hey, lots of bay area people here!

>

>Just in case someone lives in my area, or you have any reason to go

>to the south bay, this weekend, I found Virgin Oil De Coco-Creme from

>Canada at Country Sun in Palo Alto (California Ave.) and they carry

>VCO from Garden of Life also but they said Garden of Life was always

>out of stock.

>

>Tomo

thanks, Tomo, that's good to know.

Jeanmarie Todd in Oakland

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Tropical Traditions is in San Francisco:

W. Portal Nutrition Center

163 W. Portal Ave.

San Francisco CA94127415-664-0700

WPHealth8@...

415-665-7512

Sincerely,

From: Jeanmarie Todd <todd355@c...>

Date: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:44 pm

Subject: Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin

Coconut Oil

>Hey, lots of bay area people here!

>

>Just in case someone lives in my area, or you have any reason to go

>to the south bay, this weekend, I found Virgin Oil De Coco-Creme

from

>Canada at Country Sun in Palo Alto (California Ave.) and they carry

>VCO from Garden of Life also but they said Garden of Life was always

>out of stock.

>

>Tomo

thanks, Tomo, that's good to know.

Jeanmarie Todd in Oakland

[Guest guest]

Great! Thanks, --I'll be heading

over there soon!

Jenifer

> Hi All,

>

> Tropical Traditions is in San Francisco:

>

> W. Portal Nutrition Center

> 163 W. Portal Ave.

> San Francisco CA94127415-664-0700

> WPHealth8@a...

> 415-665-7512

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

>

>

> From: Jeanmarie Todd <todd355@c...>

> Date: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:44 pm

> Subject: Re: Obtaining Extra Virgin

> Coconut Oil

>

>

> >Hey, lots of bay area people here!

> >

> >Just in case someone lives in my area, or you have any reason to go

> >to the south bay, this weekend, I found Virgin Oil De Coco-Creme

> from

> >Canada at Country Sun in Palo Alto (California Ave.) and they carry

> >VCO from Garden of Life also but they said Garden of Life was always

> >out of stock.

> >

> >Tomo

>

> thanks, Tomo, that's good to know.

> Jeanmarie Todd in Oakland