coconut milk powder

[Guest guest]

Rowena, I was going to order this coconut milk powder from Wilderness

Naturals, I do notice that it also has the additives, do you think it is

available without? Would it stand up without the additives?

Here is their description:

" Our Coconut Milk Powder is 65% Coconut Oil (rich in the medium chain fatty

acids for which coconut oil is famous). There is a small amount of

maltodextrin used as a carrier with a trace of sodium casinate used to keep

the oil from separating out of solution. " (copied off Wilderness Natural

Site)

Fern

I also got the shop's last packet of Coconut Milk powder mix, made by

Maggi, but am sorry to note that it contains maltodextrin, milk protein

(sodium caseinate) and mineral salt 339. However, as I know it's the only

one I'm likely to find I will make do with it until such time as I can

either find what I want in Australia or import it from somewhere else.

Desiccated coconut will be my next search; if I can't find some unmessed

with even in health food stores I guess I will have to send overseas. Ah

well.

Rowena

When I searched their site, Maggi, it took me to Nestle who said there was

no coconut on their site.

Oh well

[Guest guest]

Oh, Fern, I have no idea, I'm so new to all this. But I notice that it is

65% coconut oil; I presume the sodium caseinate must be used to help the oil

" mix " with water.

Probably what I want would be called coconut flour, if I knew where to get

it in this country.

The Maggi coconut milk powder mix is 78% coconut milk solids.

The mineral salt is 339, sodium phosphate.

http://phosadd.com/foods/listA.htm says under 339:

Disodium hydrogen orthophosphate

Sodium dihydrogen orthophosphate

Sodium phosphate monobasic

Sodium phosphate dibasic

Sodium phosphate tribasic

Phosphates are not things we want much of. Maybe someone can tell us if

sodium phosphate has any good qualities in our body. Phosphorus and

phosphates have been condiemned in some health related writings.

339 comes under Acidity regulators, emulsifiers, thickeners and stabilisers

according to http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/6454/additivs.html

foodinfo.net says Sodium phosphate is an acidity regulator and chelating

agent (used to bind metal

ions). It prevents desiccation and is used as an acid stabiliser in powders

I don't feel much the wiser for that information!

Sodium caseinate is produced by reacting the acid casein with sodium

hydroxide.

http://www.vegparadise.com/news24.html is rather interesting on the sodium

caseinate front. This stuff is made from milk but is so messed with it's

not considered dairy any more.

'The principal ingredients in all of these nondairy creamers are sugars and

vegetable oils. The three brands contain partially hydrogenated oils loaded

with trans fats. The Coffee-mate label indicates the oil could be any of the

following: coconut, palm kernel, soybean, cottonseed, or safflower. The

sugars are a combination of corn syrup, maltodextrin, and sugar.

All three brands contain sodium caseinate. The sodium caseinate's purpose is

to provide a hint of dairy flavor as well as to create a thickening and

whitening for a creamy look and feel. Sodium caseinate is obtained from

fresh and pasteurized skim milk by acid coagulation of the casein,

neutralization with sodium hydroxide, and drying in a spray dryer "

http://www.themilkywhey.com/products/sodium_caseinate.asp says Sodium

Caseinate is an extremely high quality pure milk protein fully reacted from

edible acid casein. This top quality milk protein is heat stable with

excellent emulsifying and binding capabilities which contribute to the

stabilization of many food applications

Apparently it is a source of MSG. " What CSPI doesn't tell you is that the

tuna may well contain ingredients such as hydrolyzed vegetable protein and

sodium caseinate, both known sources of MSG. "

http://www.kefir.net/spray/tuna.htm

http://www.afpafitness.com/articles/MSG97.HTM MSG-sensitive people have

reported numerous reactions, including simple skin rash, bloating, fatigue,

joint pain, shortness or breath, chest pain, severe gastric distress,

diarrhea, asthma type symptoms, exercise induced asthma, headache, migraine

headache, irregular heart beat, atrial fibrillation, rapid heart beat

(called tachycardia), nausea and vomiting, anxiety attacks, depression,

hyperactivity in children, mood swings, mouth lesions, flushing, and

tremors.... One theory says that when we ingest free glutamate, the amino

acid balance in the body is thrown out of balance, creating a situation that

needs adjustment. And the body reacts just as it does to various kinds of

stress--to poison, to transient illness, or to disease. For years,

nutritionists have warned about the potential hazards that imbalance of

amino acids can cause. ... Under FDA regulation, hydrolyzed protein may be

included in various products with no mention of the hydrolyzed protein. The

information we have at this time tells us that broth, bouillon, stock,

flavoring, natural flavoring, natural flavors, and a whole host of products

called natural chicken flavoring, natural turkey flavoring, etc. contain MSG

insinuated into the product through the use of some form of hydrolyzed

protein. So MSG sensitive people who know about the hiding of MSG are afraid

to eat any product that has " flavoring " or " natural flavoring " in it, for

example, even though it might be MSG-free. As a result, the grocery shelf,

the refrigerator, and the freezer case, contain very little that a sensitive

person can be sure is free of MSG. Further, the amount of MSG found in food

today is growing. It is found in most soups, salad dressings, and processed

meats; in some crackers, bread, canned tuna fish, most frozen entrees, ice

cream, and frozen yogurt. Lately we've seen it included in the new " low fat "

foods. That makes sense because if you remove the flavor provided by the

fat, you have to put back the flavor, and that, some say, calls for MSG.

http://members.aol.com/budzowski/budzowski/excitoto.htm excitiotoxins.

Another widely used substance known as " hydrolyzed vegetable protein " ,

" vegetable protein " , or " plant protein " , is a powerful excitotoxin mixture

which is often portrayed as perfectly safe and " natural " because it is made

from plants. You decide how natural a product is that starts with " junk "

vegetables, unfit for sale and especially selected for their high levels of

glutamate. The extraction process involves the boiling of these vegetables

in a vat of acid, followed by a process of neutralization with a caustic

soda. The end product is the brown sludge that collects on top, which is

scraped off and allowed to dry. Hydrolyzed protein is high in three known

excitotoxins; glutamate, aspartate and cystoic acid (converts to cysteine in

the body).6

A corporation has no soul or conscience. Its basic instincts are profit and

growth. Although it employs human beings, their decisions are largely

predicated on profit and growth imperatives, or they can be replaced.

Unfortunately, community welfare does not pay dividends to stockholders,

sales do. Our health is therefore not a consideration to the corporate

machine; that responsibility rest upon us. " Caveat emptor " let the buyer

beware. It is up to the individual to " nose out the facts " and make informed

choices-or at least calculate the risks, based upon what we have learned and

how it affects us.

Excitotoxins to look for before you buy:

Aspartame, aspartate

Cysteine, cysteic acid

Monosodium Glutamate (the following is a list of hidden sources of MSG )

Additives that Always Contain MSG:

Monosodium Glutamate

Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein Hydrolyzed Protein

Hydrolyzed Plant Extract

Plant Protein Extract

Sodium Caseinate

Yeast Extract

Texturized Protein

Autolyzed Yeast

Hydrolyzed Oat Flour

Calcium Caseinate

Hmmm, Fern. Let the buyer beware, eh? The corporations are not going to

look after us.

Regards

Rowena

Rowena, I was going to order this coconut milk powder from Wilderness

Naturals, I do notice that it also has the additives, do you think it is

available without? Would it stand up without the additives?

Here is their description:

" Our Coconut Milk Powder is 65% Coconut Oil (rich in the medium chain fatty

acids for which coconut oil is famous). There is a small amount of

maltodextrin used as a carrier with a trace of sodium casinate used to keep

the oil from separating out of solution. " (copied off Wilderness Natural

Site)

I also got the shop's last packet of Coconut Milk powder mix, made by

Maggi, but am sorry to note that it contains maltodextrin, milk protein

(sodium caseinate) and mineral salt 339. However, as I know it's the only

one I'm likely to find I will make do with it until such time as I can

either find what I want in Australia or import it from somewhere else.

Desiccated coconut will be my next search; if I can't find some unmessed

with even in health food stores I guess I will have to send overseas. Ah

well.

Rowena

When I searched their site, Maggi, it took me to Nestle who said there was

no coconut on their site.

Oh well

[Guest guest]

Rowena,

Wilnernessfamilynaturals.com has coconut flour. I recently ordered some and

just used it the other day to make cookies. I haven't seen it anywhere

else. They have a great variety of coconut products, take a look.

Fern

Who is also very new to this, have been using CO daily for 8 weeks now.

Re: Coconut milk powder

Oh, Fern, I have no idea, I'm so new to all this. But I notice that it is

65% coconut oil; I presume the sodium caseinate must be used to help the

oil

" mix " with water.

Probably what I want would be called coconut flour, if I knew where to get

it in this country.

The Maggi coconut milk powder mix is 78% coconut milk solids.

The mineral salt is 339, sodium phosphate.

[Guest guest]

If I can avoid ordering from overseas, I do - it supports the local people doing

the importing who have taken the initiative and the risk, and one never knows

with Customs and Quarantine just what will be allowed in, how much it might

cost, what might go wrong on the way, and how much the banks will take for

currency exchange! I try to find Australian companies who are importing things

if I can. Mind you, even though a thing is in the same country it's not always

accessible - I found a company selling Yacon tubers over east - but quarantine

means they can't send them west, and i can't find a Western supplier. Ah well.

I can't find an Australian Co. selling the powder either, yet. Perhaps I need

to start my own importing company, the amount of stuff from overseas I want and

can't find locally!

Rowena

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Rowena,

Wilnernessfamilynaturals.com has coconut flour. I recently ordered some and

just used it the other day to make cookies.

[Guest guest]

If a little sugar doesn't bother you I would order the coconut milk powder from

WFN. I tried it and it was good but I can't handle the sugar.

I would email WFN and ask them if they know of anyone in Austraila. They are

such nice folks and know that it is cost prohibitive on some items to ship

overseas. If they know of someone, in your area, they will share that info with

you. I think WFN, Simply Coconut, and Quality First have the best products I

have found but what is really important to me is that they really have SUPER

service too. It isn't just a business to them and they are all out to help

others.

Ask. They won't be offended.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

I found a local food co-op that sells the Agave syrup, but they are out of

stock at the moment. I am in the states, Texas. She will let me know as

soon as they have it in stock, said she loves it. My health food store had

never heard of it.

Re: Coconut milk powder

If I can avoid ordering from overseas, I do - it supports the local people

doing the importing who have taken the initiative and the risk, and one

never knows with Customs and Quarantine just what will be allowed in, how

much it might cost, what might go wrong on the way, and how much the banks

will take for currency exchange! I try to find Australian companies who are

importing things if I can. Mind you, even though a thing is in the same

country it's not always accessible - I found a company selling Yacon tubers

over east - but quarantine means they can't send them west, and i can't find

a Western supplier. Ah well. I can't find an Australian Co. selling the

powder either, yet. Perhaps I need to start my own importing company, the

amount of stuff from overseas I want and can't find locally!

Rowena

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[Guest guest]

I'm in Texas, too (Houston). If there's a Fiesta Supermarket in your

area they will have the agave syrup. I buy mine there. Whole Foods

Market also has it.

-Patty

> I found a local food co-op that sells the Agave syrup, but they are

out of

> stock at the moment. I am in the states, Texas. She will let me

know as

> soon as they have it in stock, said she loves it. My health food

store had

> never heard of it.

> Re: Coconut milk powder

>

>

> If I can avoid ordering from overseas, I do - it supports the

local people

> doing the importing who have taken the initiative and the risk, and

one

> never knows with Customs and Quarantine just what will be allowed

in, how

> much it might cost, what might go wrong on the way, and how much

the banks

> will take for currency exchange! I try to find Australian

companies who are

> importing things if I can. Mind you, even though a thing is in the

same

> country it's not always accessible - I found a company selling

Yacon tubers

> over east - but quarantine means they can't send them west, and i

can't find

> a Western supplier. Ah well. I can't find an Australian Co.

selling the

> powder either, yet. Perhaps I need to start my own importing

company, the

> amount of stuff from overseas I want and can't find locally!

> Rowena

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[Guest guest]

Nestle range me today in response to my query about the maltodextrin and sodium

caseinate. One was to add bulk and the other to emusify so that the powder

would mix with water.

Rowena

[Guest guest]

Is coconut milk powder a good substitute for canned coconut milk? Most

of the canned milk products have preservatives, but then the powder is

more processed possibly with high heat etc. creating undesirable

elements. Can some one enlighten me on this. Thanks.

Suren

[Guest guest]

Coconut milk powder has been a staple in my pantry for quite some time.

Wonderful shelf, takes little space (compared to a case of cans). Emulsifies

beautifully in hot water in a blender. I use for anything & everything that

would normally take milk or cream. I use it in chai, I use it in my homemade

saag. Kajillion applications. I use any brand, but prefer minimum additives.

They all seem to have maltodextrin at least, but I've found several without the

casein/caseinate. You can get it mail order from sfherb.com. Great stuff!.

Best wishes,

mgw

[Guest guest]

Maltodextrin is a sugar that feeds candida and dysbiosis, Bonnie. Maybe you can

get some coconut powder and add stevia yourself, which seems to be OK.

>

> A very nice tasting powder from Wilderness Family Naturals but it also has

> Maltodextrin > Thanks,

> Bonnie

>

>

[Guest guest]

When coconut milk is spray dried the average temperature is quite low and

treatment is very short in duration as the product falls down a " chimney "

against the hot air current.

http://www.niro.com/niro/CMSDoc.nsf/webdoc/webb7gjfbg

" Depending on type of product and powder properties, various spray dryer designs

are available. However, as coconut powder has a high fat content, and most often

an agglomerated final product is required, the GEA Niro MSD™/ FSD™ plant is

selected. The feed is atomized into droplets, which are directed into a

controlled flow of hot air.

Particles are formed as moisture evaporates from each droplet, and the dried

product is dis-charged from the drying chamber. "

Milk powder can be dried in the same way; some companies use less heat than that

stated for coconut milk. Goooogle search:

<http://www.google.com/search?client=aff-cs-worldbrowser & forid=1 & ie=utf-8 & oe=UTF\

-8 & q=freeze+OR+spray+dried++milk+powder+temperature>

I would choose such a product over one dried in the worst case scenario that

Sandy Fallon outlined

all good,

Duncan

>

> My concern for Coconut-Milk-Powder will be same as for the regular milk

powder. To make milk powder the milk is sprayed on very high heat surfaces which

modifies the stuff.