Re: swollen goitre

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>From: " enobruwaa " <enobruwaa@...>

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>I was diagnosed with goitre about 10 days ago. I am still waiting for

>laboratory results because my doctor thought there was need for such a

>confirmation. This morning I noticed that my neck was more swollen

>than usual. My next doctor's appointment is 11th December. In the

>meantime, I am appealing for alternative suggestions from members of

>this group to help in reducing the swelling whilst I wait for my next

>appointment. A kind of stitch in time...

One of the causes, of course is lack of iodine. So, supplementing could

reverse it.

If you're not already supplementing iodine, starting now would be useful.

If it starts reversing before you start thyroid meds, that would tell you

it's likely to be caused by low iodine.

Other than iodine, Armour Thyroid has been known to shrink goiters. The

earlier you treat, the more likely you are to have success.

The key in thyroid med treatment of goiter is to be sure to suppress TSH.

If TSH isn't suppressed, it's not likely to work. (They suppress the TSH of

thyroid cancer patients, so it's not something that's harmful but some

doctors are afraid to do it.) I've no doubt it will require at least 3

grains of ARmour to suppress, and maybe more.

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" enobruwaa " -

Please know that another reason for goiter can be hypER thyroidism.

Without your test results you could do yourself much harm if you begin

treating yourself without knowing what is wrong. A Thyroid storm

could kill you if you are in that kind of position and don't know it.

You are not likely to go into myxedema coma in the next few days.

Please be careful.

E (Ellen in Missouri)

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> I was diagnosed with goitre about 10 days ago. I am still waiting for

> laboratory results because my doctor thought there was need for such a

> confirmation. This morning I noticed that my neck was more swollen

> than usual. My next doctor's appointment is 11th December. In the

> meantime, I am appealing for alternative suggestions from members of

> this group to help in reducing the swelling whilst I wait for my next

> appointment. A kind of stitch in time...

>

> Many thanks

>

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goiter, thyroid storm is a need for iodine. Supposedly iodine stops thyroid storm.

Gracia

"enobruwaa"-Please know that another reason for goiter can be hypER thyroidism. Without your test results you could do yourself much harm if you begintreating yourself without knowing what is wrong. A Thyroid stormcould kill you if you are in that kind of position and don't know it.You are not likely to go into myxedema coma in the next few days. Please be careful.E (Ellen in Missouri)>> > I was diagnosed with goitre about 10 days ago. I am still waiting for> laboratory results because my doctor thought there was need for such a > confirmation. This morning I noticed that my neck was more swollen > than usual. My next doctor's appointment is 11th December. In the > meantime, I am appealing for alternative suggestions from members of > this group to help in reducing the swelling whilst I wait for my next> appointment. A kind of stitch in time...> > Many thanks>

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In my case I storm when I come into contact with the iodine- it is a

problem (for me) of iodine allowing my thyroid to overproduce thyroid

hormone because of autoimmune graves disease, so at present I must

restrict it to keep my levels stabilized. Even if it is the body's

need for iodine that creates the storm, a storm caused by any reason

is potentially fatal.

Diagnosis really is the key IMHO and should always come first,

especially when dealing with something potentially fatal. She may not

have my specific problem, but if she does and is not yet diagnosed,

adding iodine could kill her. If it is a reaction caused by her need

for iodine and she storms, it could still kill her.

When in the hospital for thyroid storm you will be given a large amt

of the drugs to stop your thyroid from producing all thyroid hormone,

then iodine is given to buffer that action which causes the storm to

cease. Without the iodine, the antithyroid meds would cause you to go

into myxedema coma and die- just as bad! The docs in the hospital

about had a heart attack when I mentioned giving iodine to stop a

storm and explained it in this way.

E (Ellen in Missouri)

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> > I was diagnosed with goitre about 10 days ago. I am still

waiting for

> > laboratory results because my doctor thought there was need for

such a

> > confirmation. This morning I noticed that my neck was more swollen

> > than usual. My next doctor's appointment is 11th December. In the

> > meantime, I am appealing for alternative suggestions from

members of

> > this group to help in reducing the swelling whilst I wait for my

next

> > appointment. A kind of stitch in time...

> >

> > Many thanks

> >

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I don't know, it would be good to get clarification on this. I have just read that iodine is the treatment for hyperT and thyroid storm. I have been Dxed hyperT and had thyroid storm and am doing well on 50mg Iodoral/day. The dose of iodine would be important I think, since low doses can be aggravating.

Gracia

In my case I storm when I come into contact with the iodine- it is aproblem (for me) of iodine allowing my thyroid to overproduce thyroidhormone because of autoimmune graves disease, so at present I mustrestrict it to keep my levels stabilized. Even if it is the body'sneed for iodine that creates the storm, a storm caused by any reasonis potentially fatal. Diagnosis really is the key IMHO and should always come first,especially when dealing with something potentially fatal. She may nothave my specific problem, but if she does and is not yet diagnosed,adding iodine could kill her. If it is a reaction caused by her needfor iodine and she storms, it could still kill her. When in the hospital for thyroid storm you will be given a large amtof the drugs to stop your thyroid from producing all thyroid hormone,then iodine is given to buffer that action which causes the storm tocease. Without the iodine, the antithyroid meds would cause you to gointo myxedema coma and die- just as bad! The docs in the hospitalabout had a heart attack when I mentioned giving iodine to stop astorm and explained it in this way.E (Ellen in Missouri) > >> > >

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Gracia,

have you read this somewhere or is that just your opinion?

cindi

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> > The dose of iodine would be important I think, since low doses

can be aggravating.

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both! Dose matters. Ever notice that peeps have so many probs with kelp?

Gracia

Gracia, have you read this somewhere or is that just your opinion?cindi>> > The dose of iodine would be important I think, since low doses can be aggravating.

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where have you read it?...because you always recommend 50 mg. iodine

doses, and that is not what Abraham and Brownstein recommend.

Abraham recommends 12.5 mg. and Brownstein recommends an

individualized dose...so it is confusing to me that you always

recommend folks take more when they are having problems...as many

folks tell me they are ding better when they have reduced their 50

mg. dose to 12.5 to 37.5 mg.

cindi

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> > > The dose of iodine would be important I think, since low

doses

> can be aggravating.

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I will look but Cindi I think you and I are reading completely different things. How could that be? Everything I read says to take 50mg Iodoral for 3 months and then see if you have reached saturation.

I marked on my calendar when 3 months was up, then decreased to 12.5mg. OMG spent one day in hell b4 I figured out I had to go back to 50mg.

what you are reading and what I am reading are completely different.

Gracia

where have you read it?...because you always recommend 50 mg. iodine doses, and that is not what Abraham and Brownstein recommend. Abraham recommends 12.5 mg. and Brownstein recommends an individualized dose...so it is confusing to me that you always recommend folks take more when they are having problems...as many folks tell me they are ding better when they have reduced their 50 mg. dose to 12.5 to 37.5 mg. cindi> >> > > The dose of iodine would be important I think, since low doses > can be aggravating.

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The book " Iodine " is not " completely different things " . I quoted

the info about doses from the book here not too long ago.

so what i'm looking for is somewhere where it says that if you have

problems on a low dose, the problem is...is that you need more...and

that low doses are aggravating.

cindi

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> I will look but Cindi I think you and I are reading completely

different things. How could that be? Everything I read says to

take 50mg Iodoral for 3 months and then see if you have reached

saturation.

> I marked on my calendar when 3 months was up, then decreased to

12.5mg. OMG spent one day in hell b4 I figured out I had to go back

to 50mg.

> what you are reading and what I am reading are completely

different.

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I have to say that the 50 mgs of iodoral went great until I started

to get way too hot while taking it. My sister is also experiencing

being hotter than normal and she is experiencing what she thinks

could be hot flashes, too. I don't think mine are hot flashes but

from the iodoral and armour going at it. lol

I am only on 3 grains of armour so I lowered the iodoral to 1 tab and

the armour to 2 1/2 grains. I'm not experiencing adrenal problems and

my temps were 97.1 this morning and now they are 98.6 and will be

there til I go to bed when they seem to drop some. I do find it odd

that I had no problems feeling hot while on 3 grains of armour but as

soon as I added in the iodoral, it changed that for me and my sister,

too.

I think if someone wants to take the Iodoral, they would do much

better if they did the iodine loading test prior to taking it. It

sure made more problems for me in taking it. We live and learn!

Sue

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> > > > The dose of iodine would be important I think, since low

> doses

> > can be aggravating.

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Gracia,

Could you tell me what you experienced when you dropped from 50 mgs

to 12.5? I am doing better since I dropped my dose from 50 mgs to

12.5 I am less hot but I wonder how long the iodine stays in your

system if you took 50 mgs for a few weeks. I've been on it for 3 1/2

weeks but today I didn't even take any since I am still feeling

warmer than usual. Not as warm but still hating it. I can't wait for

the weather to change from in the 80s today to the 30s tomorrow!

Sue

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> > > > The dose of iodine would be important I think, since low

> doses

> > can be aggravating.

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which reminds me of a question...we know that goiter is a manifestation

of iodine deficiency. is there any info in the iodine

writings...regarding a correlation between severe deficiency as per the

iodine loading test and having a goiter? in other words and for

example, did the docs find that all folks who were over 75% iodine

deficient had a goiter?

cindi

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> I think if someone wants to take the Iodoral, they would do much

> better if they did the iodine loading test prior to taking it. It

> sure made more problems for me in taking it. We live and learn!

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Ellen, how does hyperthyroidism cause goiter?

I thought HYPERthyroid conditions resulted in LOW TSH -- and HIGH TSH causes goiter.

Thanks.

Zoe

> "enobruwaa"-> > Please know that another reason for goiter can be hypER thyroidism. > Without your test results you could do yourself much harm if you begin> treating yourself without knowing what is wrong. A Thyroid storm> could kill you if you are in that kind of position and don't know it.> You are not likely to go into myxedema coma in the next few days. > > Please be careful.> > E (Ellen in Missouri)

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Maybe that is one of the questions that could be added to the list

for Dr. Brownstein that is compiling?

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> > I think if someone wants to take the Iodoral, they would do much

> > better if they did the iodine loading test prior to taking it.

It

> > sure made more problems for me in taking it. We live and learn!

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Here is the info:

Curiously, the thyroid gland is often enlarged whether it is making too much hormone, too little, or sometimes even when it is functioning normally. The thyroid is controlled by the pituitary gland, which secretes thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) in response to the amount of thyroxin it finds in the blood. TSH increases the amount of thyroxin secreted by the thyroid and also causes the thyroid gland to grow.

Hyperthyroid goiter--If the amount of stimulating hormone is excessive, the thyroid will both enlarge and secrete too much thyroxin. The result--hyperthyroidism with a goiter. Graves' disease is the most common form of this disorder.

Euthyroid goiter--The thyroid is the only organ in the body to use iodine. If dietary iodine is slightly inadequate, too little thyroxin will be secreted, and the pituitary will sense the deficiency and produce more TSH. The thyroid gland will enlarge enough to make sufficient thyroxin.

Hypothyroid goiter--If dietary iodine is severely reduced, even an enlarged gland will not be able to make enough thyroxin. The gland will keep growing under the influence of TSH, but it may never be able to make enough thyroxin

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Re: swollen goitre

Maybe that is one of the questions that could be added to the list for Dr. Brownstein that is compiling? > >> > > I think if someone wants to take the Iodoral, they would do much > > better if they did the iodine loading test prior to taking it. It > > sure made more problems for me in taking it. We live and learn!>

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Thanks! That was much more eloquently said and probably easier to

understand than my blurb.

E

> > >>

> > > I think if someone wants to take the Iodoral, they would do much

> > > better if they did the iodine loading test prior to taking it.

> It

> > > sure made more problems for me in taking it. We live and learn!

> >

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look up thyroid thru. it supposed to get rid of nodules and goiters.

--- enobruwaa <enobruwaa@...> wrote:

> I was diagnosed with goitre about 10 days ago. I am still waiting for

> laboratory results because my doctor thought there was need for such a

> confirmation. This morning I noticed that my neck was more swollen

> than usual. My next doctor's appointment is 11th December. In the

> meantime, I am appealing for alternative suggestions from members of

> this group to help in reducing the swelling whilst I wait for my next

> appointment. A kind of stitch in time...

>

> Many thanks

>

>

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I was surprised at my symptoms on lower iodine. I couldn't walk well, had poor balance, irritable, depressed, confused. I never felt too warm on 50mg Iodoral. I did feel really tired for about a month.

Gracia

Gracia,Could you tell me what you experienced when you dropped from 50 mgs to 12.5? I am doing better since I dropped my dose from 50 mgs to 12.5 I am less hot but I wonder how long the iodine stays in your system if you took 50 mgs for a few weeks. I've been on it for 3 1/2 weeks but today I didn't even take any since I am still feeling warmer than usual. Not as warm but still hating it. I can't wait for the weather to change from in the 80s today to the 30s tomorrow! Sue

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