Re: Re: Coconut Oil (in PHilippines)

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Minola's processing of coconut oil uses hexane. Other reports says hexane is

harmless, while other says it is a carcinogen.

Baguio oil, is vegetable oil, which is hydrogenated. They needed to treat it

with hydrogen coz veg oils go rancid quickly. Now that leaves some traces of

hydrogen in the oil too. Bad....bad....bad..... I have not seen any coconut

oil produced by Baguio Oil. I hope they would make using a good processing

method.

..

Remember, the purer coconut oil with all its benefits are those that have not

been treated with heat and still has its moisture content intact. However, they

go bad very fast, and the mold gets to be toxic or carcinogenic. (Europe has

passed a law that copra should have less moisture content also. But these copra

are used for livestocks. Nevertheless, when the copra goes bad it becomes toxic

and carcinogenic too.)

I would rather process the oil using heat to get the moisture out because even

if it is treated with heat the lauric acid remains in the oil. Lauric acid

turns to monolaurin once it is in the digestive system. Lauric acid is the

healing agent of coconut oil. The other acids and vitamins are available in

other sources like fruits and vitamins.

San Pablo City, Philippines

Re: Coconut Oil (in PHilippines)

> I would be interested to know if there are other vcno

> users in this list coming from the Philippines.

>

> BTW, would you (or anyone here) be interested in

> joining an association of vcno users based in the

> Philippines?

- Am in the Philippines as well and am just now reading up on

VCNO. Would be interested in that organization. Do you have a website?

Follow up question: Does commercially available coconut and palm

cooking oil (i.e. Minola and Baguio Oil) have the same health

benefits as the virgin variety?

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At 01:11 PM 2/24/2004 +0800, pbanagal wrote:

>Minola's processing of coconut oil uses hexane. Other reports says hexane

>is harmless, while other says it is a carcinogen.

>

>Baguio oil, is vegetable oil, which is hydrogenated. They needed to

>treat it with hydrogen coz veg oils go rancid quickly. Now that leaves

>some traces of hydrogen in the oil too. Bad....bad....bad..... I have

>not seen any coconut oil produced by Baguio Oil. I hope they would make

>using a good processing method.

Thanks , you seem to be a motherlode of info on the subject. I also

see you hail from San Pablo City wherea lot of coconut industries hail from!

I took a look at a website that describes the process used to make Minola

oil - there's a lot of heating and chemicals involved in the " deodorizing "

process, so given our preference for the organic virgin stuff, I think will

stay away from it. On the other hand, maybe it's no different from all the

hocus pocus used to make corn and canola oils and in the end its still a

coconut based product.

I also just found out that Minola and our own Philippine Department of

Science and Technology (DOST) have teamed up (with a lot of hoopla I might

add) to make Minola a " vitamin A fortified product " - so if it merits with

their seal of approval, they must see no problem with the Hexane... !

Either that or they are just as misleading as the US FDA and USDA! :-) Will

do more research, as my family has been using this for years. Would the

Philippine Coconut Authority be able to answer this credibly or are they

corporate stooges as well?

You're mistaken about Baguio Oil however - it's not vegetable oil, it is

clearly labelled as a coconut oil. I don't know about it being hydrogenated

though - and besides, from what I read on the coconut-info list,

hydrogenating coconut oil results in very little trans fats, unlike

hydrogenated vegetable oil.

The other common oil in local supermarkets is " Golden Heart " which is a

processed palm oil imported from Indonesia. Unlike coconut oil, it is

bright orange in color, like corn oil. I'm also wondering about its health

benefits and/or dangers given that even virgin palm oil is sometimes sold

by VCO vendors.

[Guest guest]

Hydrogenated coconut oil is what has gotten a bad rep for all

coconut oils. Hydrogenated oil use can lead to heart disease, I am

told.

Alobar

Re: Re: Coconut Oil (in

PHilippines)

> At 01:11 PM 2/24/2004 +0800, pbanagal wrote:

> >Minola's processing of coconut oil uses hexane. Other reports

says hexane

> >is harmless, while other says it is a carcinogen.

> >

> >Baguio oil, is vegetable oil, which is hydrogenated. They needed

to

> >treat it with hydrogen coz veg oils go rancid quickly. Now that

leaves

> >some traces of hydrogen in the oil too. Bad....bad....bad.....

I have

> >not seen any coconut oil produced by Baguio Oil. I hope they

would make

> >using a good processing method.

>

> Thanks , you seem to be a motherlode of info on the subject. I

also

> see you hail from San Pablo City wherea lot of coconut industries

hail from!

>

> I took a look at a website that describes the process used to make

Minola

> oil - there's a lot of heating and chemicals involved in the

" deodorizing "

> process, so given our preference for the organic virgin stuff, I

think will

> stay away from it. On the other hand, maybe it's no different from

all the

> hocus pocus used to make corn and canola oils and in the end its

still a

> coconut based product.

>

> I also just found out that Minola and our own Philippine Department

of

> Science and Technology (DOST) have teamed up (with a lot of hoopla

I might

> add) to make Minola a " vitamin A fortified product " - so if it

merits with

> their seal of approval, they must see no problem with the Hexane...

!

> Either that or they are just as misleading as the US FDA and USDA!

:-) Will

> do more research, as my family has been using this for years. Would

the

> Philippine Coconut Authority be able to answer this credibly or are

they

> corporate stooges as well?

>

> You're mistaken about Baguio Oil however - it's not vegetable oil,

it is

> clearly labelled as a coconut oil. I don't know about it being

hydrogenated

> though - and besides, from what I read on the coconut-info list,

> hydrogenating coconut oil results in very little trans fats, unlike

> hydrogenated vegetable oil.

>

> The other common oil in local supermarkets is " Golden Heart " which

is a

> processed palm oil imported from Indonesia. Unlike coconut oil, it

is

> bright orange in color, like corn oil. I'm also wondering about its

health

> benefits and/or dangers given that even virgin palm oil is

sometimes sold

> by VCO vendors.

>

[Guest guest]

At 01:16 PM 2/24/2004 -0600, you wrote:

> Hydrogenated coconut oil is what has gotten a bad rep for all

>coconut oils. Hydrogenated oil use can lead to heart disease, I am

>told.

That's what I thought so too, and that would be true for hydrogenated

vegetable oil (i.e. corn, soy, etc) but Mr. " Tropical Traditions " disputes

that for coconut oil. Says there are much less trans fats. Sounds like a

credible answer... see:

--------

From: " Coconut-Info Discussion Group " <discussiongroup@...>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:12:14 -0800

Subject: Re: [coconut-info.com] Hydrogenated Oils -

Jim,

Coconut oil is mostly saturated, and has a very small percentage of

polyunsaturates (about 1%), while soy oil is about 60% polyunsaturated. So

while all trans fatty acids are bad, there would be significantly less in

hyrdogentated coconut oil. Coconut oil is typically hydrogenated in the

Philippines for snack foods because the natural melting point of coconut oil

is 76 degree F., while the ambient air temperature year round in the

Philippines is always over 80 degrees. So to prevent the oil from turning to

liquid in snack foods and make them more stable on shelves in the hot

tropical climate, they typically hydrogenate the small amount of

polyunsaturates taking the melting point up to about 92 degrees.

Hydrogenated coconut oil in the US is rare.

Shilhavy

[Guest guest]

I do not have a web reference handy but research done on

hydrogenated coconut oil proved it to be harmful. Mr.Tropical

Traditions can say what he wants but I know I sure am not gonna eat

saturated coconut oil unless I see some very good research proving

its value.

Alobar

Re: [coconut-info.com] Hydrogenated Oils -

>

> Jim,

> Coconut oil is mostly saturated, and has a very small percentage of

> polyunsaturates (about 1%), while soy oil is about 60%

polyunsaturated. So

> while all trans fatty acids are bad, there would be significantly

less in

> hyrdogentated coconut oil. Coconut oil is typically hydrogenated in

the

> Philippines for snack foods because the natural melting point of

coconut oil

> is 76 degree F., while the ambient air temperature year round in

the

> Philippines is always over 80 degrees. So to prevent the oil from

turning to

> liquid in snack foods and make them more stable on shelves in the

hot

> tropical climate, they typically hydrogenate the small amount of

> polyunsaturates taking the melting point up to about 92 degrees.

> Hydrogenated coconut oil in the US is rare.

> Shilhavy

[Guest guest]

At 07:41 PM 2/24/2004 -0600, Alobar wrote:

> I do not have a web reference handy but research done on

>hydrogenated coconut oil proved it to be harmful. Mr.Tropical

>Traditions can say what he wants but I know I sure am not gonna eat

>saturated coconut oil unless I see some very good research proving

>its value.

Alobar, if you can find the web reference, do post it here, sharing is what

this group is all about after all.

[Guest guest]

Luckily I have a good mind when it comes to remembering how I

found particular information previously. Below is the quote by

Enig I was thinking of, followed by the URL to the complete

article.

Enig also stated: " The problems for coconut oil started four decades

ago when researchers fed animals hydrogenated coconut oil that was

purposely altered to make it completely devoid of any essential fatty

acids...The animals fed the hydrogenated coconut oil (as the only fat

source) naturally became essential fatty acid deficient; their serum

cholesterol increased. Diets that cause an essential fatty acid

deficiency always produce an increase in serum cholesterol levels as

well as in increase in the atherosclerotic indices.

http://www.karlloren.com/diet/p89.htm

Alobar

Re: Re: Coconut Oil (in

PHilippines)

> At 07:41 PM 2/24/2004 -0600, Alobar wrote:

> > I do not have a web reference handy but research done on

> >hydrogenated coconut oil proved it to be harmful. Mr.Tropical

> >Traditions can say what he wants but I know I sure am not gonna

eat

> >saturated coconut oil unless I see some very good research proving

> >its value.

>

> Alobar, if you can find the web reference, do post it here, sharing

is what

> this group is all about after all.

>

[Guest guest]

Don't know much about palm oil except a statement made by my friend at UN/NY

saying the best oil in the world is palm oil....this is what they use in Africa.

He told me way back in 80s that those vegetable oils are a bunch of rubbish.

He is very correct. He said this when i told him i had hypertension and

diabetes. He also told me then to stay away from artificial sweetners. He told

me to use a tiny quantity of brown sugar instead. We all know brown sugar is

unprocessed but leaves a sour aftertaste. I now use stevia.

Re: Re: Coconut Oil (in PHilippines)

At 01:11 PM 2/24/2004 +0800, pbanagal wrote:

>Minola's processing of coconut oil uses hexane. Other reports says hexane

>is harmless, while other says it is a carcinogen.

>

>Baguio oil, is vegetable oil, which is hydrogenated. They needed to

>treat it with hydrogen coz veg oils go rancid quickly. Now that leaves

>some traces of hydrogen in the oil too. Bad....bad....bad..... I have

>not seen any coconut oil produced by Baguio Oil. I hope they would make

>using a good processing method.

Thanks , you seem to be a motherlode of info on the subject. I also

see you hail from San Pablo City wherea lot of coconut industries hail from!

I took a look at a website that describes the process used to make Minola

oil - there's a lot of heating and chemicals involved in the " deodorizing "

process, so given our preference for the organic virgin stuff, I think will

stay away from it. On the other hand, maybe it's no different from all the

hocus pocus used to make corn and canola oils and in the end its still a

coconut based product.

I also just found out that Minola and our own Philippine Department of

Science and Technology (DOST) have teamed up (with a lot of hoopla I might

add) to make Minola a " vitamin A fortified product " - so if it merits with

their seal of approval, they must see no problem with the Hexane... !

Either that or they are just as misleading as the US FDA and USDA! :-) Will

do more research, as my family has been using this for years. Would the

Philippine Coconut Authority be able to answer this credibly or are they

corporate stooges as well?

You're mistaken about Baguio Oil however - it's not vegetable oil, it is

clearly labelled as a coconut oil. I don't know about it being hydrogenated

though - and besides, from what I read on the coconut-info list,

hydrogenating coconut oil results in very little trans fats, unlike

hydrogenated vegetable oil.

The other common oil in local supermarkets is " Golden Heart " which is a

processed palm oil imported from Indonesia. Unlike coconut oil, it is

bright orange in color, like corn oil. I'm also wondering about its health

benefits and/or dangers given that even virgin palm oil is sometimes sold

by VCO vendors.

[Guest guest]

>At 01:16 PM 2/24/2004 -0600, you wrote:

>> Hydrogenated coconut oil is what has gotten a bad rep for all

>>coconut oils. Hydrogenated oil use can lead to heart disease, I am

>>told.

>

>That's what I thought so too, and that would be true for hydrogenated

>vegetable oil (i.e. corn, soy, etc) but Mr. " Tropical Traditions " disputes

>that for coconut oil. Says there are much less trans fats. Sounds like a

>credible answer... see:

I have also read that hydrogenated coconut oil was used in animal

tests that the U.S. oilseed producers later used as evidence that

coconut oil causes heart problems. If I remember correctly, the lab

animals used for the test also had all other kinds of oils withheld

from them, so they were missing Omega 3 fatty acids and probably

others necessary to good health. In other words, the deck was stacked

against coconut oil in these poorly designed tests because a form of

coconut oil not usually recommended for consumption was used plus it

was never intended to be the sole source of fatty acids in the diet

because it doesn't contain all the essential fatty acids, or at least

not in sufficient quantity.

Jeanmarie

[Guest guest]

>Enig also stated: " The problems for coconut oil started four decades

>ago when researchers fed animals hydrogenated coconut oil that was

>purposely altered to make it completely devoid of any essential fatty

>acids...The animals fed the hydrogenated coconut oil (as the only fat

>source) naturally became essential fatty acid deficient; their serum

>cholesterol increased. Diets that cause an essential fatty acid

>deficiency always produce an increase in serum cholesterol levels as

>well as in increase in the atherosclerotic indices.

>http://www.karlloren.com/diet/p89.htm

>

Yes, this is the research I was referring to i my earlier post.

Jeanmarie

[Guest guest]

Kho is a chemist. He is here in our list, I think.

Re: Coconut Oil (in PHilippines)

> Enig also stated: " The problems for coconut oil started four decades

> ago when researchers fed animals hydrogenated coconut oil that was

> purposely altered to make it completely devoid of any essential

fatty

> acids...The animals fed the hydrogenated coconut oil (as the only

fat

> source) naturally became essential fatty acid deficient; their serum

> cholesterol increased

Thanks - normally though Dr. Enig and Shilavy are on the same

page so to have them contradict each other is odd - so I'm going to

find out if the hydrogenated coconut oil " purposely altered to make

it devoid of any essential fatty acids " used in the lab experiments

is the same as the hydrogenated coco oil used in food processing

simply to raise the melting point of the fat. (time to hunt down a

food chemist) All in all though, its a whole 'nother category of

processed foods to avoid again.

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[Guest guest]

Enig seems to think there are unsaturated fats in

coconut oil. http://www.karlloren.com/diet/p89.htm

Alobar

Re: Coconut Oil (in PHilippines)

> from Dr. Fife's book, only unsaturated oils can be hydrogenated.

They

> make the unsaturated oil saturated by adding hydrogen atoms to

> unpaired carbon atoms. Coconut oil got its bad rep from being a

> saturated fat. But not all saturated fats are the same.

>

>

> > Hydrogenated coconut oil is what has gotten a bad rep for

> all

> > coconut oils. Hydrogenated oil use can lead to heart disease, I

am

> > told.

> >

> > Alobar

> >