Re: Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

[Guest guest]

One of the things that distinguishes Virgin coconut oil from other oils is that

they are made from fresh coconut. RBD oils are made from copra. Copra is dried

in the sun for days or weeks. As it is drying is becomes moldy. High heat and

extensive refining is necessary to remove the mold and other impurities. Also,

Virgin coconut oil has had minimal processing so it retains its coconut flavor

and aroma. The term " expeller pressed " infers that the oil was extracted using

relatively low temperatures. It may or may not have been made from fresh coconut

and undergoes more refining than the standard virgin oils so that it is

basically tasteless and odorless, and therefore, I would not classify it as

being virgin. By the way, there is no " official " or legal classification of

coconut oils into virgin or expeller pressed, etc. These are simply descriptive

terms used by the manufacturers/distributors.

Bruce

Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

At 02:26 PM 3/16/2004 -0800, Laureen wrote:

>Jo - When you are ready to reorder VCO, get the expeller pressed

>VCO. As I recall, you order from TT. Members of this group give their

>expeller pressed good marks. And it doesn't smell or taste of

>coconut. Laureen

I'm wondering if expeller pressed coconut oil would be considered " virgin "

- this is obtained from copra or heat dried coconut rather than fresh

coconut meat. It might also be chemically processed (which would remove the

coconut odor and clean it up).

The " RBD " or refined, bleached, and deodorized process also involves a lot

of heat and chemical treatment and is used for making commercial coconut

cooking oil. The process is documented in this page:

http://warlock.msc.net.ph/cyberfair_entry_03/spmc/oil.html

There are too much chemicals involved, it makes you wonder. I would think

if you're taking coconut oil for health benefits, to obtain the maximum

medicinal value of coconut oil, it would be best to stick to virgin oil,

made the old fashioned way - coconut smell and taste included.

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[Guest guest]

Bruce,

What brand of CO do you use?

Sheryl

Bruce Fife <bruce@...> wrote:

One of the things that distinguishes Virgin coconut oil from other oils is that

they are made from fresh coconut. RBD oils are made from copra. Copra is dried

in the sun for days or weeks. As it is drying is becomes moldy. High heat and

extensive refining is necessary to remove the mold and other impurities. Also,

Virgin coconut oil has had minimal processing so it retains its coconut flavor

and aroma. The term " expeller pressed " infers that the oil was extracted using

relatively low temperatures. It may or may not have been made from fresh coconut

and undergoes more refining than the standard virgin oils so that it is

basically tasteless and odorless, and therefore, I would not classify it as

being virgin. By the way, there is no " official " or legal classification of

coconut oils into virgin or expeller pressed, etc. These are simply descriptive

terms used by the manufacturers/distributors.

Bruce

Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

At 02:26 PM 3/16/2004 -0800, Laureen wrote:

>Jo - When you are ready to reorder VCO, get the expeller pressed

>VCO. As I recall, you order from TT. Members of this group give their

>expeller pressed good marks. And it doesn't smell or taste of

>coconut. Laureen

I'm wondering if expeller pressed coconut oil would be considered " virgin "

- this is obtained from copra or heat dried coconut rather than fresh

coconut meat. It might also be chemically processed (which would remove the

coconut odor and clean it up).

The " RBD " or refined, bleached, and deodorized process also involves a lot

of heat and chemical treatment and is used for making commercial coconut

cooking oil. The process is documented in this page:

http://warlock.msc.net.ph/cyberfair_entry_03/spmc/oil.html

There are too much chemicals involved, it makes you wonder. I would think

if you're taking coconut oil for health benefits, to obtain the maximum

medicinal value of coconut oil, it would be best to stick to virgin oil,

made the old fashioned way - coconut smell and taste included.

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[Guest guest]

> I'm wondering if expeller pressed coconut oil would be considered

" virgin "

> - this is obtained from copra or heat dried coconut rather than fresh

> coconut meat. It might also be chemically processed (which would

remove the

> coconut odor and clean it up).

(((rest snipped)))

There are no chemicals used in the processing of EPCO. Here is TT's

link: http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/epco.htm

While it doesn't have the coconut aroma and flavor of the virgin, it

is still nevertheless an excellent oil and not subjected to the

processes given to RBD products. This should clear it up!

I use it for my dogs, for cooking when I don't want a coconut flavor,

for salad dressing, etc., etc. Great stuff!

Irene

[Guest guest]

At 07:43 PM 3/18/2004 +0000, vegasrenie@... wrote:

>There are no chemicals used in the processing of EPCO. Here is TT's

>link: http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/epco.htm

>

>While it doesn't have the coconut aroma and flavor of the virgin, it

>is still nevertheless an excellent oil and not subjected to the

>processes given to RBD products. This should clear it up!

It says it is " naturally refined " --- still considering that the source is

copra (which as Bruce Fife pointed out can be sometimes moldy) you wonder

about the quality of the raw oil that is first pressed prior to refining.

I've heard it is brown gooey stuff. Still, if it works for you, good luck

with it!

This is probably what I grew up with before some wiseguy invented the RBD

process :-)

In the meantime, I will stick to the virgin stuff that floats to the top

from coconut milk or what we refer to as " gata " - there's a new mechanical

method of extracting it cleanly, using centrifuges. According to

Figueroa of Nature's Blessings, this is the process they use to extract

their oil from the gata that they mechanically press from their coconuts.

If VCO is going to be produced in large quantities so more can benefit from

it, this is the way to go, without heat or chemicals.

[Guest guest]

Jim

Does Ms. Figueroa let the coco milk sit overnight so that the water stays down,

and the curd is on top? Then refrigerate it for 8 hours and later scoop the

curd and then process it in the centrifuge? Does the centrifuge system remove

the water to make the coconut oil clear and waterless?

Thanks.

Re: Re: Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

At 07:43 PM 3/18/2004 +0000, vegasrenie@... wrote:

>There are no chemicals used in the processing of EPCO. Here is TT's

>link: http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/epco.htm

>

>While it doesn't have the coconut aroma and flavor of the virgin, it

>is still nevertheless an excellent oil and not subjected to the

>processes given to RBD products. This should clear it up!

It says it is " naturally refined " --- still considering that the source is

copra (which as Bruce Fife pointed out can be sometimes moldy) you wonder

about the quality of the raw oil that is first pressed prior to refining.

I've heard it is brown gooey stuff. Still, if it works for you, good luck

with it!

This is probably what I grew up with before some wiseguy invented the RBD

process :-)

In the meantime, I will stick to the virgin stuff that floats to the top

from coconut milk or what we refer to as " gata " - there's a new mechanical

method of extracting it cleanly, using centrifuges. According to

Figueroa of Nature's Blessings, this is the process they use to extract

their oil from the gata that they mechanically press from their coconuts.

If VCO is going to be produced in large quantities so more can benefit from

it, this is the way to go, without heat or chemicals.

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[Guest guest]

Jim wrote:

According to Figueroa of Nature's Blessings

Jim,

So you use their oil? How does it taste and smell?

The web page looks really nice and the methods seem very sanitary. . .which is

good!!

Sheryl

Sheryl Illustrations

http://dovedesignsrus.com

[Guest guest]

At 08:48 PM 3/18/2004 -0800, Sheryl wrote:

>So you use their oil? How does it taste and smell?

>

>The web page looks really nice and the methods seem very sanitary. .

>.which is good!!

Re: nature's blessings oil - Yes I do, I got a freebie sample from the

owner () when I dropped by their main office (close by here) - I may

have to pay for the next one though! Very good quality, very clear - if

you're wondering about smell, has a light wonderful coconut tastes and

aroma though - I like it, I guess others don't :-)

I may have to point out that " room temperature " here is over 79 degrees F

so coconut oil is always a clear liquid :-)

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

After extracting the virgin coconut oil without the use of heat, my husband

removes the moisture by plugging a 220V stove to 110V and uses the lowest

setting to remove it. Then we filter it too. This method removes the taste and

odor and extends the life of the oil. My question is, can this still be

considered virgin coconut oil?

Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

At 02:26 PM 3/16/2004 -0800, Laureen wrote:

>Jo - When you are ready to reorder VCO, get the expeller pressed

>VCO. As I recall, you order from TT. Members of this group give their

>expeller pressed good marks. And it doesn't smell or taste of

>coconut. Laureen

I'm wondering if expeller pressed coconut oil would be considered " virgin "

- this is obtained from copra or heat dried coconut rather than fresh

coconut meat. It might also be chemically processed (which would remove the

coconut odor and clean it up).

The " RBD " or refined, bleached, and deodorized process also involves a lot

of heat and chemical treatment and is used for making commercial coconut

cooking oil. The process is documented in this page:

http://warlock.msc.net.ph/cyberfair_entry_03/spmc/oil.html

There are too much chemicals involved, it makes you wonder. I would think

if you're taking coconut oil for health benefits, to obtain the maximum

medicinal value of coconut oil, it would be best to stick to virgin oil,

made the old fashioned way - coconut smell and taste included.

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[Guest guest]

At 12:19 PM 3/19/2004 +0800, pbanagal wrote:

>Does Ms. Figueroa let the coco milk sit overnight so that the water stays

>down, and the curd is on top? Then refrigerate it for 8 hours and later

>scoop the curd and then process it in the centrifuge? Does the centrifuge

>system remove the water to make the coconut oil clear and waterless?

- I'm not sure if Nature's Blessings website describes their own

process but the centrifuge process in general is described on another

website. It's a tad more high-tech than the traditional method :-)

http://www.coconutoil-online.com/index.html#Anchor-TYPE-12252

" Premium Virgin Oil. This process produces oil with the least amount of

processing so that the natural vitamin E, antioxidants and fresh coconut

" essence " are retained. Fresh coconut meat is grated and expeller pressed

to produce coconut milk (like the process above). The coconut milk is then

centrifuged to separate the mixture into solid components, water and oil.

Since each of the components has a different density, they separate into 3

layers. This oil has a very light texture and since no heat at all is

applied it retains all the flavor and scent of fresh coconut. "

[Guest guest]

Coconut Island in the uk sells RBD (non hydrogenated) oil as well as organic,

cold-pressed oil made from copra. the copra is dried hygenically and the oil is

just like virgin - creamy, smelling and tasting on coconuts. But far cheaper. I

wonder if this is what can be called expeller pressed?

Here are some photos of the process:

http://www.coconut-island.co.uk/orders.nav.html

regards

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jim.

The description below uses expeller presser and centrifuge methods too. But

the result of separation of water, curd, and oil are almost the same as one of

our folkloric method (like the method published by PCA). The oil is also very

pure and unadulterated and very light. Am i right to think that the centrifuge

method uses low heat to remove moisture. So their method also sees heat

somehow.

Re: Re: Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

At 12:19 PM 3/19/2004 +0800, pbanagal wrote:

>Does Ms. Figueroa let the coco milk sit overnight so that the water stays

>down, and the curd is on top? Then refrigerate it for 8 hours and later

>scoop the curd and then process it in the centrifuge? Does the centrifuge

>system remove the water to make the coconut oil clear and waterless?

- I'm not sure if Nature's Blessings website describes their own

process but the centrifuge process in general is described on another

website. It's a tad more high-tech than the traditional method :-)

http://www.coconutoil-online.com/index.html#Anchor-TYPE-12252

" Premium Virgin Oil. This process produces oil with the least amount of

processing so that the natural vitamin E, antioxidants and fresh coconut

" essence " are retained. Fresh coconut meat is grated and expeller pressed

to produce coconut milk (like the process above). The coconut milk is then

centrifuged to separate the mixture into solid components, water and oil.

Since each of the components has a different density, they separate into 3

layers. This oil has a very light texture and since no heat at all is

applied it retains all the flavor and scent of fresh coconut. "

[Guest guest]

Jim I love the smell and taste.

Thank so much for the info

Sheryl

Jim Ayson <jim@...> wrote:

At 08:48 PM 3/18/2004 -0800, Sheryl wrote:

>So you use their oil? How does it taste and smell?

>

>The web page looks really nice and the methods seem very sanitary. .

>.which is good!!

Re: nature's blessings oil - Yes I do, I got a freebie sample from the

owner () when I dropped by their main office (close by here) - I may

have to pay for the next one though! Very good quality, very clear - if

you're wondering about smell, has a light wonderful coconut tastes and

aroma though - I like it, I guess others don't :-)

I may have to point out that " room temperature " here is over 79 degrees F

so coconut oil is always a clear liquid :-)

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

> It says it is " naturally refined " --- still considering that the

source is

> copra (which as Bruce Fife pointed out can be sometimes moldy) you

wonder

> about the quality of the raw oil that is first pressed prior to

refining.

> I've heard it is brown gooey stuff. Still, if it works for you, good

luck

> with it!

((rest snipped))

Oh, Jim, believe me, if it were in my budget, I'd get the quart of

EPCO to use for salad dressings and sauteing, but would have GALLONS

of the VCO around!! What is interesting to me is that my two

grizzlies (my big dogs) love the coconut oil so much! You wouldn't

think that dogs would like virgin coconut oil, but they do, and will

lick it straight from the spoon. Go figure.

Irene

[Guest guest]

Yes, my dog loves coconut oil too. He's quite spoilt for it. He now no longer

wil have RBD (which he used to eat dollops of)m but wants virgin!

Sharon m

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

After extracting the virgin coconut oil without the use of heat, my husband

removes the moisture by plugging a 220V stove to 110V and uses the lowest

setting to remove it. Then we filter it too. This method removes the taste and

odor and extends the life of the oil. My question is, can this still be

considered virgin coconut oil?

,

There is no exact or official definition for virgin coconut oil. But if the

oil doesn't have the coconut taste or smell I wouldn't call it virgin.

[Guest guest]

At 05:34 PM 3/19/2004 +0800, pbanagal wrote:

>But the result of separation of water, curd, and oil are almost the same

>as one of our folkloric method (like the method published by PCA). The

>oil is also very pure and unadulterated and very light. Am i right to

>think that the centrifuge method uses low heat to remove moisture. So

>their method also sees heat somehow.

Had to look through Google to see how a centrifuge works to separate the

coconut oil from the water. But as far as I can read, the centrifuge method

uses no heat at all, the water is " spun out " out of the mixture.

Bruce is right, there is no official definition of " virgin coconut oil " yet

- perhaps a standards body needs to step in to define this. After all the

French are very firm which region can produce champagne and you can only

have real Parmesan from a specific area in Italy.

As far as I can tell, suppliers use the " virgin " tag when they refer to an

oil that is cold-pressed, without heat and chemical extraction - in which

case they are taking the cue from the olive oil industry who use that as a

definition for extra virgin olive oil (i.e. " first cold pressing "

" unfiltered " ) . A " virgin " coconut oil will always have that coconut smell

and taste - because it hasn't been processed to remove those characteristics.

[Guest guest]

Sheryl,

Because I believe coconut oil is far better than most all other oils I try to

support all the people/companies who sell it and recommend them all. I feel that

any brand of coconut oil is better than none at all. I've tasted numerous

brands. Some, to be honest with you, taste terrible. Some are delicious. I

personally use oil from several different companies. I do, however, have my

personal preferences but I do not make them known public because I don't want to

endorse any one particular brand. Let me say that I prefer virgin coconut oil

because I like the mild coconut taste and smell.

Bruce

Re: Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

Bruce,

What brand of CO do you use?

Sheryl

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bruce and I understand. . .

Sheryl

Bruce Fife <bruce@...> wrote:

Sheryl,

Because I believe coconut oil is far better than most all other oils I try to

support all the people/companies who sell it and recommend them all. I feel that

any brand of coconut oil is better than none at all. I've tasted numerous

brands. Some, to be honest with you, taste terrible. Some are delicious. I

personally use oil from several different companies. I do, however, have my

personal preferences but I do not make them known public because I don't want to

endorse any one particular brand. Let me say that I prefer virgin coconut oil

because I like the mild coconut taste and smell.

Bruce

Re: Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

Bruce,

What brand of CO do you use?

Sheryl

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bruce.

We make two batches all the time. The more processed ones we use for the cream

which by the way works very well on the skin. The true virgin oil is for our

intake.

Re: Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

Bruce,

After extracting the virgin coconut oil without the use of heat, my husband

removes the moisture by plugging a 220V stove to 110V and uses the lowest

setting to remove it. Then we filter it too. This method removes the taste and

odor and extends the life of the oil. My question is, can this still be

considered virgin coconut oil?

,

There is no exact or official definition for virgin coconut oil. But if the

oil doesn't have the coconut taste or smell I wouldn't call it virgin.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jim. Reason why i filter is so that my cream does not smell of coconut

which is hate. I hate coconut oil's taste too. I like it fresh.

I will buy coconut meat presser and get my own pure (no water added) coconut

milk and drink 2 9 oz glasses to get 4 teaspoons of coconut oil. This enables

me to get all the minerals and vitamins and other goodies too. Coconut milk

tastes better than the coconut oil.

Re: Re: Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

At 05:34 PM 3/19/2004 +0800, pbanagal wrote:

>But the result of separation of water, curd, and oil are almost the same

>as one of our folkloric method (like the method published by PCA). The

>oil is also very pure and unadulterated and very light. Am i right to

>think that the centrifuge method uses low heat to remove moisture. So

>their method also sees heat somehow.

Had to look through Google to see how a centrifuge works to separate the

coconut oil from the water. But as far as I can read, the centrifuge method

uses no heat at all, the water is " spun out " out of the mixture.

Bruce is right, there is no official definition of " virgin coconut oil " yet

- perhaps a standards body needs to step in to define this. After all the

French are very firm which region can produce champagne and you can only

have real Parmesan from a specific area in Italy.

As far as I can tell, suppliers use the " virgin " tag when they refer to an

oil that is cold-pressed, without heat and chemical extraction - in which

case they are taking the cue from the olive oil industry who use that as a

definition for extra virgin olive oil (i.e. " first cold pressing "

" unfiltered " ) . A " virgin " coconut oil will always have that coconut smell

and taste - because it hasn't been processed to remove those characteristics.

[Guest guest]

Sorry...i meant 4 tablespoons of coconut oil(instead of 4 teaspoon as originally

written in my previous message).

Re: Re: Expeller pressed oil / RBD oil

At 05:34 PM 3/19/2004 +0800, pbanagal wrote:

>But the result of separation of water, curd, and oil are almost the same

>as one of our folkloric method (like the method published by PCA). The

>oil is also very pure and unadulterated and very light. Am i right to

>think that the centrifuge method uses low heat to remove moisture. So

>their method also sees heat somehow.

Had to look through Google to see how a centrifuge works to separate the

coconut oil from the water. But as far as I can read, the centrifuge method

uses no heat at all, the water is " spun out " out of the mixture.

Bruce is right, there is no official definition of " virgin coconut oil " yet

- perhaps a standards body needs to step in to define this. After all the

French are very firm which region can produce champagne and you can only

have real Parmesan from a specific area in Italy.

As far as I can tell, suppliers use the " virgin " tag when they refer to an

oil that is cold-pressed, without heat and chemical extraction - in which

case they are taking the cue from the olive oil industry who use that as a

definition for extra virgin olive oil (i.e. " first cold pressing "

" unfiltered " ) . A " virgin " coconut oil will always have that coconut smell

and taste - because it hasn't been processed to remove those

characteristics.

[Guest guest]

That's interesting. I thought the " virgin " tag applied to coconut oil made from

fresh coconuts, as opposed to copra....

It's possible to make good coconut oil from copra which is indistinguishable

from " virgin " , using cold-pressed methods and no heat. But I wouldnot call that

virgin, as it is not from the fresh coconut. But perhaps it could be called

virgin after all.

Sharon M

As far as I can tell, suppliers use the " virgin " tag when they refer to an

oil that is cold-pressed, without heat and chemical extraction - in which

case they are taking the cue from the olive oil industry who use that as a

definition for extra virgin olive oil (i.e. " first cold pressing "

" unfiltered " ) . A " virgin " coconut oil will always have that coconut smell

and taste - because it hasn't been processed to remove those characteristics.

[Guest guest]

Ditto, Irene! I trust the dogs' judgement. They won't eat the EPCO,

but they LOVE the VCO. I wish I could afford to get that VCO every

month!

-Blair

>

> Oh, Jim, believe me, if it were in my budget, I'd get the quart of

> EPCO to use for salad dressings and sauteing, but would have

GALLONS

> of the VCO around!! What is interesting to me is that my two

> grizzlies (my big dogs) love the coconut oil so much! You wouldn't

> think that dogs would like virgin coconut oil, but they do, and

will

> lick it straight from the spoon. Go figure.

>

> Irene

[Guest guest]

,

At least you can have the coco milk. None of it works for me. I use

expeller oil, because without that I would not be able to ingest this

coconut oil. The smell and taste if something I never could get use to it,

even as a sweet coco shread on cakes.

Diane

[Guest guest]

Re: Re: Expeller pressed oil / RBD

oil

> Coconut Island in the uk sells RBD (non hydrogenated) oil as well

as organic, cold-pressed oil made from copra. the copra is dried

hygenically and the oil is just like virgin - creamy, smelling and

tasting on coconuts. But far cheaper. I wonder if this is what can be

called expeller pressed?

> Here are some photos of the process:

> http://www.coconut-island.co.uk/orders.nav.html

> regards

> Sharon

I am sure no coconut expert as I live in the US & have never

extracted coconut oil, but I cannot imagine how one would dry copra

and not have it go moldy. There are billions of mold spores in the

air. Unless everything was done inside rooms with sterilized air &

the outsides of the coconuts were sterilized before the coconuts were

opened, the coconut meat is going to be contaminated with mold as it

dries out in the air.

Alobar