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I asked the Love Foundation (preeminent authority on breasat

cancer here in the US) about your answer to me about the safety of

hgh which was " most HGH proponents nowadays are doctors, including

the scientific advisory board and the inventor of SomaLife gHP.

Next, we have the body builders and anti-agers. None have the

problem with cancer that your doctor thinks; actually the reverse is

true. There was indeed a single study that was exposed as flawed

very early on in the research, after which there were dozens of

proper studies that showed increased youth markers and no cancer

connection. It's too bad (for both of you?) that your doctor didn't

bother to stay current, yet still advises people incorrectly.

It's no big deal and pretty common with doctors. "

Their answer was the following:

" Hello-Thank you for contacting the Dr. Love Research

Foundation Website ... HGH is a controversial topic. The internet

and anitaging groups are big proponents but in the academic world it

is still viewed with much caution unless one has a genetic

abnormality or deficiency. While children with hGH deficiency do

not seem to be getting cancer the numbers are small and they had a

deficiency to begin with. Children with childhood cancers treated

with hGH to maximize growth are now getting second cancers,

including breast. A recent view showed a number of studies

confirming the role of hGH in breast cancer in particular when the

breast itself makes too much of its own hGH. Now there does seem to

be one study that showed men who took hGH did not have an increased

rate of prostate cancer but I'm not sure how the study was

conducted. HGH stops cell death – good cells and bad cells so I

would be a bit leery. "

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lionandlamb3, you're not up to speed enough to debate HGH therapy;

I've been doiung it since 1991 with my family, and since 2000 with

others. I know the work

The science of HGH therapy is more clear than some people think;

the " academic world " you mention arrived at it, and it's a shame that

some doctors and others who fancy themselves to be academic are about

15-20 years behind the science. Did you know that drug company

representatives, not science, continues to educate most doctors after

they start practice? Obviously, drug companies are not interested in

health, and health is not what they are teaching. My own doctor

agrees. I vote to go with the movers in the health field, not the

herd mentality with the pharmaceutical " cattle drivers " .

I've been hearing on the radio that children with cancer have a one

in four reoccurrence without HGH therapy. That's pretty high.

HGH tends to prevent cell death all right, but while there is no

evidence that HGH causes cancer to grow any faster, there is evidence

that it prevents it. 'Nuff said!

Duncan

>

> I asked the Love Foundation (preeminent authority on breasat

> cancer here in the US) about your answer to me about the safety of

> hgh which was " most HGH proponents nowadays are doctors, including

> the scientific advisory board and the inventor of SomaLife gHP.

> Next, we have the body builders and anti-agers. None have the

> problem with cancer that your doctor thinks; actually the reverse is

> true. There was indeed a single study that was exposed as flawed

> very early on in the research, after which there were dozens of

> proper studies that showed increased youth markers and no cancer

> connection. It's too bad (for both of you?) that your doctor didn't

> bother to stay current, yet still advises people incorrectly.

> It's no big deal and pretty common with doctors. "

>

> Their answer was the following:

>

> " Hello-Thank you for contacting the Dr. Love Research

> Foundation Website ... HGH is a controversial topic. The internet

> and anitaging groups are big proponents but in the academic world it

> is still viewed with much caution unless one has a genetic

> abnormality or deficiency. While children with hGH deficiency do

> not seem to be getting cancer the numbers are small and they had a

> deficiency to begin with. Children with childhood cancers treated

> with hGH to maximize growth are now getting second cancers,

> including breast. A recent view showed a number of studies

> confirming the role of hGH in breast cancer in particular when the

> breast itself makes too much of its own hGH. Now there does seem to

> be one study that showed men who took hGH did not have an increased

> rate of prostate cancer but I'm not sure how the study was

> conducted. HGH stops cell death – good cells and bad cells so I

> would be a bit leery. "

>

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The " authority " on breast cancer below seems very much behind

the times, and sure seems to be dangerously misleading folks. This is

a prime example of why I do not place faith or trust in any

" authority " but do my own snooping to find a cadre of people who seem

to point to real advice based on modern research (Duncan is a prime

example). Then I cogitate, question, discuss, and come to my own

conclusions. Some of my advisers annoy me in some areas (like Doc

Mercola, for example), but yet are useful in other areas.

Using dietary supplements to stimulate one's own HGH

production seems to me to be much safer than injecting HGH directly.

The nay-sayers either miss this point, or don't care to examine their

prejudices. Either way, people who are swayed by " authorities " risk

their lives by doing so. And the " authorities " never get put on trial

for giving out advice which kills people.

To me, it all boils down to answering the question posed to

candidates for initiation in a metaphysical society I joined over 25

years ago:

" In times of difficulty and danger in whom do you place your trust? "

Alobar

On 4/10/08, lionandlamb3 <lionandlamb3@...> wrote:

> I asked the Love Foundation (preeminent authority on breasat

> cancer here in the US) about your answer to me about the safety of

> hgh which was " most HGH proponents nowadays are doctors, including

> the scientific advisory board and the inventor of SomaLife gHP.

> Next, we have the body builders and anti-agers. None have the

> problem with cancer that your doctor thinks; actually the reverse is

> true. There was indeed a single study that was exposed as flawed

> very early on in the research, after which there were dozens of

> proper studies that showed increased youth markers and no cancer

> connection. It's too bad (for both of you?) that your doctor didn't

> bother to stay current, yet still advises people incorrectly.

> It's no big deal and pretty common with doctors. "

>

> Their answer was the following:

>

> " Hello-Thank you for contacting the Dr. Love Research

> Foundation Website ... HGH is a controversial topic. The internet

> and anitaging groups are big proponents but in the academic world it

> is still viewed with much caution unless one has a genetic

> abnormality or deficiency. While children with hGH deficiency do

> not seem to be getting cancer the numbers are small and they had a

> deficiency to begin with. Children with childhood cancers treated

> with hGH to maximize growth are now getting second cancers,

> including breast. A recent view showed a number of studies

> confirming the role of hGH in breast cancer in particular when the

> breast itself makes too much of its own hGH. Now there does seem to

> be one study that showed men who took hGH did not have an increased

> rate of prostate cancer but I'm not sure how the study was

> conducted. HGH stops cell death – good cells and bad cells so I

> would be a bit leery. "

>

>

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duncan -- i presented that response to just throw it out there ...

it is hard for me to believe that hgh is mainstream medicine

anywhere. it seems to be an elective thing that people do on their

own ... are you going to tell me that someone's internist would say

you need to take hgh for your problem?

you are correct ... i don't know enough about it and I confess I

don't have the patience or acumen to comb through what may be state

of the art info on it. You indeed may be ahead of the fray, but the

fact that you selling this stuff and it is a multi-level marketing

company is a big red flag. I can do no more than to trust my

skittish instincts.

And while I do focus and take care of both the outer and inner

quality of my body to the best of my ability, I can't see getting

obsessive to the point of playing with mother nature. One way or

another our outer shells and organs are all going to shrivel up,

fail and die, probably painfully, and this world we are living in

isn't such a great place to want to live longer anyway.

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> > I asked the Love Foundation (preeminent authority on

breasat

> > cancer here in the US) about your answer to me about the safety

of

> > hgh which was " most HGH proponents nowadays are doctors,

including

> > the scientific advisory board and the inventor of SomaLife gHP.

> > Next, we have the body builders and anti-agers. None have the

> > problem with cancer that your doctor thinks; actually the

reverse is

> > true. There was indeed a single study that was exposed as flawed

> > very early on in the research, after which there were dozens of

> > proper studies that showed increased youth markers and no cancer

> > connection. It's too bad (for both of you?) that your doctor

didn't

> > bother to stay current, yet still advises people incorrectly.

> > It's no big deal and pretty common with doctors. "

> >

> > Their answer was the following:

> >

> > " Hello-Thank you for contacting the Dr. Love Research

> > Foundation Website ... HGH is a controversial topic. The internet

> > and anitaging groups are big proponents but in the academic

world it

> > is still viewed with much caution unless one has a genetic

> > abnormality or deficiency. While children with hGH deficiency do

> > not seem to be getting cancer the numbers are small and they had

a

> > deficiency to begin with. Children with childhood cancers treated

> > with hGH to maximize growth are now getting second cancers,

> > including breast. A recent view showed a number of studies

> > confirming the role of hGH in breast cancer in particular when

the

> > breast itself makes too much of its own hGH. Now there does seem

to

> > be one study that showed men who took hGH did not have an

increased

> > rate of prostate cancer but I'm not sure how the study was

> > conducted. HGH stops cell death – good cells and bad cells so I

> > would be a bit leery. "

> >

>

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Hey, when it comes to the Voyage of Life, we all end up at the same terminal.

But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't do anything about making the road a

little smoother so that we can have a quality experience.

We don't have to suffer or be martyrs.

-richard, l.m.t.- ;-{)

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another our outer shells and organs are all going to shrivel up,

fail and die, probably painfully, and this world we are living in

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i agree, but until hgh becomes mainstream, I have to listen to the

little voice in my head. you take it? if so how are you doing with

it?

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I agree with Alobar's comments and I urge clients to read

the " authoritative " bla bla and then check the bla against actual

research. Doing so reveals there is LESS cancer when HGH is

maintained.

Duncan

>

> The " authority " on breast cancer below seems very much

behind

> the times, and sure seems to be dangerously misleading folks. This

is

> a prime example of why I do not place faith or trust in any

> " authority " but do my own snooping to find a cadre of people who

seem

> to point to real advice based on modern research (Duncan is a prime

> example). Then I cogitate, question, discuss, and come to my own

> conclusions. Some of my advisers annoy me in some areas (like Doc

> Mercola, for example), but yet are useful in other areas.

>

> Using dietary supplements to stimulate one's own HGH

> production seems to me to be much safer than injecting HGH directly.

> The nay-sayers either miss this point, or don't care to examine

their

> prejudices. Either way, people who are swayed by " authorities "

risk

> their lives by doing so. And the " authorities " never get put on

trial

> for giving out advice which kills people.

>

> To me, it all boils down to answering the question posed to

> candidates for initiation in a metaphysical society I joined over 25

> years ago:

> " In times of difficulty and danger in whom do you place your trust? "

>

> Alobar

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Something I learned many years ago. If one waits until something

becomes mainstream before taking it, one will probably be dead by the

time the " experts " advise us to take it.

Alobar

On 4/11/08, lionandlamb3 <lionandlamb3@...> wrote:

> i agree, but until hgh becomes mainstream, I have to listen to the

> little voice in my head. you take it? if so how are you doing with

> it?

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I note you have enjoined your personal emotional obstacles to a

scientific discussion of a metabolic approach, lionandlamb3, and I

can tell you, in answer to your implied question, that plenty of

people are unlike you; they are not bored of life and they want

approach their 100th birthday in good health! At least, they are

attempting as they age to not live on the couch; they want to trot

down the river bank for a look at the changing seasons, then trot

back for some youthful intimacy.

With a nod to the ancient Chinese proverb: A person who says

something can't be done should not interrupt the one who is doing

it ;) my best advice is to try asking your toughest questions of

doctors who actually practice the anti-aging approach in their

clinics, rather than a person with " adacemic " interests who has no

experience but only speculates on what the science may accomplish. I

know several of the former and I have no use for the latter.

Duncan

> > >

> > > I asked the Love Foundation (preeminent authority on

> breasat

> > > cancer here in the US) about your answer to me about the safety

> of

> > > hgh which was " most HGH proponents nowadays are doctors,

> including

> > > the scientific advisory board and the inventor of SomaLife gHP.

> > > Next, we have the body builders and anti-agers. None have the

> > > problem with cancer that your doctor thinks; actually the

> reverse is

> > > true. There was indeed a single study that was exposed as flawed

> > > very early on in the research, after which there were dozens of

> > > proper studies that showed increased youth markers and no cancer

> > > connection. It's too bad (for both of you?) that your doctor

> didn't

> > > bother to stay current, yet still advises people incorrectly.

> > > It's no big deal and pretty common with doctors. "

> > >

> > > Their answer was the following:

> > >

> > > " Hello-Thank you for contacting the Dr. Love Research

> > > Foundation Website ... HGH is a controversial topic. The

internet

> > > and anitaging groups are big proponents but in the academic

> world it

> > > is still viewed with much caution unless one has a genetic

> > > abnormality or deficiency. While children with hGH deficiency do

> > > not seem to be getting cancer the numbers are small and they

had

> a

> > > deficiency to begin with. Children with childhood cancers

treated

> > > with hGH to maximize growth are now getting second cancers,

> > > including breast. A recent view showed a number of studies

> > > confirming the role of hGH in breast cancer in particular when

> the

> > > breast itself makes too much of its own hGH. Now there does

seem

> to

> > > be one study that showed men who took hGH did not have an

> increased

> > > rate of prostate cancer but I'm not sure how the study was

> > > conducted. HGH stops cell death – good cells and bad cells so I

> > > would be a bit leery. "

> > >

> >

>

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if you have any names of doctors in the US/east coast recommending

hgh to their patients and not profiting in some way from the

promotion of the product, I would be happy to seek them out.

> > > >

> > > > I asked the Love Foundation (preeminent authority on

> > breasat

> > > > cancer here in the US) about your answer to me about the

safety

> > of

> > > > hgh which was " most HGH proponents nowadays are doctors,

> > including

> > > > the scientific advisory board and the inventor of SomaLife

gHP.

> > > > Next, we have the body builders and anti-agers. None have the

> > > > problem with cancer that your doctor thinks; actually the

> > reverse is

> > > > true. There was indeed a single study that was exposed as

flawed

> > > > very early on in the research, after which there were dozens

of

> > > > proper studies that showed increased youth markers and no

cancer

> > > > connection. It's too bad (for both of you?) that your doctor

> > didn't

> > > > bother to stay current, yet still advises people incorrectly.

> > > > It's no big deal and pretty common with doctors. "

> > > >

> > > > Their answer was the following:

> > > >

> > > > " Hello-Thank you for contacting the Dr. Love Research

> > > > Foundation Website ... HGH is a controversial topic. The

> internet

> > > > and anitaging groups are big proponents but in the academic

> > world it

> > > > is still viewed with much caution unless one has a genetic

> > > > abnormality or deficiency. While children with hGH

deficiency do

> > > > not seem to be getting cancer the numbers are small and they

> had

> > a

> > > > deficiency to begin with. Children with childhood cancers

> treated

> > > > with hGH to maximize growth are now getting second cancers,

> > > > including breast. A recent view showed a number of studies

> > > > confirming the role of hGH in breast cancer in particular

when

> > the

> > > > breast itself makes too much of its own hGH. Now there does

> seem

> > to

> > > > be one study that showed men who took hGH did not have an

> > increased

> > > > rate of prostate cancer but I'm not sure how the study was

> > > > conducted. HGH stops cell death – good cells and bad cells

so I

> > > > would be a bit leery. "

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Duncan

I am curious about the hgh. I have visited your site but it is more

than we can afford.

I am interested in the chemistry of it and if there are foods or

herbs that will encourage our bodies to renew it.Also, you mentioned

menapausal women. I am " post' at 59 and my husband is 65.

Peace,

http://cdbaby.com/cd/carlislelinda

http://www.middlebury.net/carlisle/

> > > > >

> > > > > I asked the Love Foundation (preeminent authority on

> > > breasat

> > > > > cancer here in the US) about your answer to me about the

> safety

> > > of

> > > > > hgh which was " most HGH proponents nowadays are doctors,

> > > including

> > > > > the scientific advisory board and the inventor of SomaLife

> gHP.

> > > > > Next, we have the body builders and anti-agers. None have

the

> > > > > problem with cancer that your doctor thinks; actually the

> > > reverse is

> > > > > true. There was indeed a single study that was exposed as

> flawed

> > > > > very early on in the research, after which there were

dozens

> of

> > > > > proper studies that showed increased youth markers and no

> cancer

> > > > > connection. It's too bad (for both of you?) that your

doctor

> > > didn't

> > > > > bother to stay current, yet still advises people

incorrectly.

> > > > > It's no big deal and pretty common with doctors. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Their answer was the following:

> > > > >

> > > > > " Hello-Thank you for contacting the Dr. Love Research

> > > > > Foundation Website ... HGH is a controversial topic. The

> > internet

> > > > > and anitaging groups are big proponents but in the academic

> > > world it

> > > > > is still viewed with much caution unless one has a genetic

> > > > > abnormality or deficiency. While children with hGH

> deficiency do

> > > > > not seem to be getting cancer the numbers are small and

they

> > had

> > > a

> > > > > deficiency to begin with. Children with childhood cancers

> > treated

> > > > > with hGH to maximize growth are now getting second cancers,

> > > > > including breast. A recent view showed a number of studies

> > > > > confirming the role of hGH in breast cancer in particular

> when

> > > the

> > > > > breast itself makes too much of its own hGH. Now there does

> > seem

> > > to

> > > > > be one study that showed men who took hGH did not have an

> > > increased

> > > > > rate of prostate cancer but I'm not sure how the study was

> > > > > conducted. HGH stops cell death – good cells and bad cells

> so I

> > > > > would be a bit leery. "

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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All doctors are salesmen. Drug companies give them kickbacks, free

samples to hand out, etc. Some get to go on expensive vacations for

free which are labeled as " seminars " . Almost all of a doc's

" education " comes from the drug companies whose products he pushes.

The difference being that some docs just push what they are told to

push, while others make a fair profit for suggesting products they

honestly feel are helpful.

The way I see it, one would be nuts to put absolute trust in anyone.

I educate myself, than make decisions based upon what I have learned.

Over the years, I have learned to NOT trust my doctor, my dentist, my

attorney, or some guy trying to sell me a used car.

Alobar

On 4/14/08, lionandlamb3 <lionandlamb3@...> wrote:

> Do you know any doctors on the US east coast who recommend hgh to

> their patients, and are NOT profiteering in some way from the

> product? I would be nuts to trust a salesman.

>

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" The way I see it, one would be nuts to put absolute trust in anyone "

I agree completely and would never ever put myself lock stock and

barrel in the hands of a doctor. i will spare you the details of my

failure to detect breast cancer 10 years ago, except to say i am

proud to say i was a couple of steps ahead of their recommendations

to me. i guess when i see or feel an imperative to explore hgh

further i will do the reading. couldn't really afford it anyway.

cheers, a alobar and duncan

> > Do you know any doctors on the US east coast who recommend hgh to

> > their patients, and are NOT profiteering in some way from the

> > product? I would be nuts to trust a salesman.

> >

> >

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