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Hi all,

As you all have read, I have some problems with my liver. I have some other

problems that I havent brought up but figured I should see how you feel about

this one. I Know that coconut oil is good for the body..inside and out..great

for rashes..but how about the scalp? I have a problem with hair loss..actually a

tremendous amount of hair loss. I have always had a thick THICK head of hair

until about 2 years ago. Now I am down to a " childs ponytail " . It is depressing

and really need some help with this. I have been to a dermatologist and he said

I would never lose all this hair but I dont think he knows what he was talking

about..duh..2 years and it is still falling out..Tonight I am putting coconut

oil on my hair and scalp and cover it with a cap..maybe I have an infection on

my scalp. I know I have a sore scalp and get " bumps " on my scalp, as well as

hair loss..Can you give me some advice? thanks Marcy

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Marcy ,

Coconut oil should be good for your liver, it only takes 20 minutes for it

to go thru the liver and in to the blood stream. One should start out with a

teaspoon full and gradually increase the dose to 8 or 10 teaspoons a

day.Coconut oil should replace butter and all other oils in your diet. Over

six month to a year you should notice a big improvement in your health.

Your Skin is one of your most important body organs, what is happening to

the outside or top of the skin, indicates the condition you can expect to

find inside. It would appear your body is in an acid state. A complete

change of diet would seem to be in order. I would suggest you obtain a copy

of

THE CARBOHYDRATE ADDICT'S Healthy Heart Program by Dr. F. Heller &

Dr F. Heeller with Dr Frederick J. Vagnini.

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Marcy, I would suggest that you have your thyroid checked. Hypothyroidism can

cause thinning hair. Perhaps an Endocrinologist would be a good speciality to

be referred to .If you color your hair, you could be having allergic reactions

to the dye. This happened to me and I had to quit using color. I hope you find

the answer, keep searching. Coconut oil has helped my hair. I put it on my dry

hair and I take 3 tablespoons daily orally. It has also raised my thryoid lab

tests to normal limits. I only put it on my hair before I am going to wash it

and I put it on my scalp especially and hair and leave it on a few hours and

even over night. best of luck to you. pat

marcy barnes <jimslady55@...> wrote: Hi all,

As you all have read, I have some problems with my liver. I have some other

problems that I havent brought up but figured I should see how you feel about

this one. I Know that coconut oil is good for the body..inside and out..great

for rashes..but how about the scalp? I have a problem with hair loss..actually a

tremendous amount of hair loss. I have always had a thick THICK head of hair

until about 2 years ago. Now I am down to a " childs ponytail " . It is depressing

and really need some help with this. I have been to a dermatologist and he said

I would never lose all this hair but I dont think he knows what he was talking

about..duh..2 years and it is still falling out..Tonight I am putting coconut

oil on my hair and scalp and cover it with a cap..maybe I have an infection on

my scalp. I know I have a sore scalp and get " bumps " on my scalp, as well as

hair loss..Can you give me some advice? thanks Marcy

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When I changed shampoos I stopped losing my hair. Harsh chemicals can

do that.

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Dear JoAnne,

Don't forget that you won't need to be crushing onions the rest of your life. Once you've got rid of your sinusitis, you won't need to use it any longer. Usually, one makes two preparations, or three at the most at a time.

I really think you should try the onion juice because it's the only one that has proved to be effective.

Anyway, let us know if your experiment works out - though I must say I prefer smelling of onion than smelling of garlic!!

Silvina

From: gwenrafter@...Reply-samters To: samters Subject: Re: ExperimentingDate: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:59:56 -0700 (PDT)

Let me know how it goes, I am always open to something new.

ExperimentingI think I'll tell the list about an experiment I started yesterday.

(I mentioned before how I tried a small amount of peroxide solution in saline during previous sinus infections.)

Since I have little patience for lengthy preparations, I thought I'd try something even simpler than crushing onions.

Since onions are reported to have helped, and since both the onion and garlic bulbs have been successfully used in folk remedies to fight fungal yuck, I've decided to be a guinea pig and try a simpler recipe with readily available and benign items.

Dorot brand crushed garlic comes in frozen packages of twenty 4 gram cubes. I placed one cube into a paper coffee filter inside a shot glass. After it had had time to thaw, I added water (yeah, tap water) through the filter, and when the murky, garlicky liquid began to collect outside the filter, I poured some (No, I didn't measure; this is a crude experiment!) into a clean jar and added salt to make a mild, garlic/saline solution. I refrigerated the jar after pouring a few oz. of it into an old flunisolide spray bottle, and doused my sinus passages with the stinky stuff.

It really didn't burn, it stinks (I think it does. The sense of smell comes and goes), and I'll get back to you on whether the results are good, bad or negligible.

I work full time and am very involved in two or more extracurricular projects in any given month, and I know I'm not likely at my age (61), given my need to sleep more find time to blather with friends and unsuspecting strangers, to even try to find the time to be a slave to onion crushing and filtering 2 or 3 times a week.

So, dingbat or not, I'm trying this home remedy, and it doesn't seem to be a problem so far. There's a first time for everything, and maybe it will work. If not, at least the Halloween vampires may keep their distance.

JoAnn

On Oct 6, 2007, at 5:15 PM, oueldebouflady wrote:

So if this Trudeau guy is who I think it is - the infomercialskind of give it away - he's a convicted felon for various scams andschemes and this book is kind of the latest one. At least that's whatI learned watching an investigative report on him and his criminalrecord. And yeah it's supposed to be full of stuff like not drinkingsoda instead of stuff like the onion juice. Oh and after my next tolast sinus surgery my ent told me to mix a little peroxide into mynasal douche to help clear things out so you should be good to go on that.> > >> > > Hi Lori,> > > Just checking to see how you are doing. I'm checking into a book> > written by " Trudeau" called natural cures.> > > Has anyone read it? You might want to read it, if you haven't.> > > I am currently trying something from the book but will update after> > I'm done, with the outcome.> > > Tami> > >> >> >> >> >> >>

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Wow, so you are saying onion juice CURES the polyps and the sinusitis?

This seems pretty unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters is a

chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.

If this really works and " cures the sinusitis " that would be pretty

much a miracle.

I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some more from

others with Samters on how it's working out.

Lori in NY

[Guest guest]

I am still singing the praises of onion juice. It worked for me and I have had Samters for over 10 years.

Re: Experimenting

Wow, so you are saying onion juice CURES the polyps and the sinusitis? This seems pretty unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters is a chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.If this really works and "cures the sinusitis" that would be pretty much a miracle.I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some more from others with Samters on how it's working out.Lori in NY

[Guest guest]

That's great to know! I may try it, I'm just a little skeptical that

once you get rid of the sinusitis that you don't need to use it

again. But that's mainly because I think if the polyps are still

there, sinusitis will keep coming back, and I don't know that the

onion is going to shrink the polyps. If it does, wonderful.

Lori

>

> I am still singing the praises of onion juice. It worked for me and

I have had Samters for over 10 years.

>

>

> Re: Experimenting

>

>

> Wow, so you are saying onion juice CURES the polyps and the

sinusitis?

> This seems pretty unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters

is a

> chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.

>

> If this really works and " cures the sinusitis " that would be pretty

> much a miracle.

>

> I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some more

from

> others with Samters on how it's working out.

>

> Lori in NY

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is my take on the onion juice. Many of the Samters issues are related to yeast. I think the onion juice kills the yeast just as some of the creams do for our other yeast probems.

Re: Experimenting> > > Wow, so you are saying onion juice CURES the polyps and the sinusitis? > This seems pretty

unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters is a > chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.> > If this really works and "cures the sinusitis" that would be pretty > much a miracle.> > I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some more from > others with Samters on how it's working out.> > Lori in NY> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Here's a thought: there are two kinds of sinusitis in the textbooks, "acute" and "chronic". Perhaps the onion juice saline solution works well on the "acute" kind (which is caused by temporary blockage with infection), and not so well on the "chronic" kind (which is caused by Samter's disease).

Mark

Re: Experimenting> > > Wow, so you are saying onion juice CURES the polyps and the sinusitis? > This seems pretty unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters is a > chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.> > If this really works and "cures the sinusitis" that would be pretty > much a miracle.> > I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some more from > others with Samters on how it's working out.> > Lori in NY> > > > >

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Syl

You appear to have significant sinus problems with deviated septum, but if you do not have bi-lateral polyposis, you may have an allergic disease.

MC

Re: Experimenting> > > Wow, so you are saying onion juice CURES the polyps and the sinusitis? > This seems pretty unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters is a > chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.> > If this really works and "cures the sinusitis" that would be pretty > much a miracle.> > I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some more from > others with Samters on how it's working out.> > Lori in NY> > > > >

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Mark,

My sinus probems were chronic. I had them everyday regardless of the season. I had sinus everyday until a little over two weeks ago. Now I blow my nose out of habit but nothing comes out but clear stuff.

Re: Experimenting> > > Wow, so you are saying

onion juice CURES the polyps and the sinusitis? > This seems pretty unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters is a > chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.> > If this really works and "cures the sinusitis" that would be pretty > much a miracle.> > I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some more from > others with Samters on how it's working out.> > Lori in NY> > > > >

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Mark,

I had polyps and allergies but I think they are all due to yeast build up.

Re: Experimenting> > > Wow, so you are saying onion

juice CURES the polyps and the sinusitis? > This seems pretty unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters is a > chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.> > If this really works and "cures the sinusitis" that would be pretty > much a miracle.> > I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some more from > others with Samters on how it's working out.> > Lori in NY> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Intuitively, I agree with this idea, but I'm not sure where it comes from...why is this accepted as fact by most people? I have asked people, but the only response I get is something like " they " have done " studies " -- which isn't exactly substantial reasoning.

I have tried all sorts of 'altenative' cures to Samter's but none of them have worked. I've completely lost the ability to believe that anything will work at this point

On 10/9/07, Silvina Hunter <hunter_pondal@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Anyway, I respect people's decision to refuse to try it simply because in every type of treatment, between 50 and 70 % of the efficiency of the treatment is the patient's faith in the treatment's success.

Silvina

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One thing is certain---most doctors don't have a f* & ^%#* clue. Dana

samters From: nathanladd@...Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:36:21 -0500Subject: Re: Re: Experimenting

Intuitively, I agree with this idea, but I'm not sure where it comes from...why is this accepted as fact by most people? I have asked people, but the only response I get is something like "they" have done "studies" -- which isn't exactly substantial reasoning.

I have tried all sorts of 'altenative' cures to Samter's but none of them have worked. I've completely lost the ability to believe that anything will work at this point

On 10/9/07, Silvina Hunter <hunter_pondalhotmail> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Anyway, I respect people's decision to refuse to try it simply because in every type of treatment, between 50 and 70 % of the efficiency of the treatment is the patient's faith in the treatment's success.

Silvina

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Hey Mark,

I also thought it was an allergy, but all the doctors that have seen me say I have both, an allergic problem and Samters. I used to have post nasal drip which gave me a terrible itch at the back of my throat and upper pallad (that I think I keep under control with homeopathy and the nose spray I use). Drs. say you can have Samters without polyps. Besides, the first clear photos of what's going on with my sinus I took this year (before they just Xrayed me and came to conclusions through the xrays), so maybe I used to have polyps and they disappeared. I don't know if this is possible.

My allergic reactions , for instance, when I go to a place where everyone smokes, or I have a glass of beer, give me a very runny nose, a lot of sneezing and reddenning of the eyes. If it gets really bad I might get a wheeze, too.

But my Samters problem gives me a completely different reaction. It's only when I take painkillers that my face swells up (I can't even open my eyes when it happens), my eyes itch terribly and I have difficulty to breathe. If I an not treated immediately, I think I could die. I carry decadrone everywhere with me.

So, according the many Dr.s I've seen about this (over 10!!!) I have Samters without polyps, and in Argentina there isn't a desensitation programme for this type of patient.

Silvina

From: "Mark rider" <mwcoopy@...>Reply-samters To: samters Subject: RE: Re: ExperimentingDate: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:49:37 -0600

Syl

You appear to have significant sinus problems with deviated septum, but if you do not have bi-lateral polyposis, you may have an allergic disease.

MC

Re: Experimenting> > > Wow, so you are saying onion juice CURES the polyps and the sinusitis? > This seems pretty unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters is a > chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.> > If this really works and "cures the sinusitis" that would be pretty > much a miracle.> > I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some more from > others with Samters on how it's working out.> > Lori in NY> > > > >

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Try with the onions!

From: " Ladd" <nathanladd@...>Reply-samters To: samters Subject: Re: Re: ExperimentingDate: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:36:21 -0500

Intuitively, I agree with this idea, but I'm not sure where it comes from...why is this accepted as fact by most people? I have asked people, but the only response I get is something like "they" have done "studies" -- which isn't exactly substantial reasoning.

I have tried all sorts of 'altenative' cures to Samter's but none of them have worked. I've completely lost the ability to believe that anything will work at this point

On 10/9/07, Silvina Hunter <hunter_pondalhotmail> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Anyway, I respect people's decision to refuse to try it simply because in every type of treatment, between 50 and 70 % of the efficiency of the treatment is the patient's faith in the treatment's success.

Silvina

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,

I could have written your note myself.  Fifteen years with

Samter’s has been very discouraging.  I try to eat organic food, have

tried Chinese medicine, Acupuncture, Homeopathy, and Chiropractic adjustments. 

I just had my 4th surgery 2 weeks ago, and I can smell and taste,

but who knows how long that will last.  It may be the effects of the prednisone

that I was on after the surgery.  I’m going to have the aspirin desensitization

in about a month, and members of the group have had encouraging results. Hang

in there.  There are a whole bunch of us going through the same thing you are,

and we understand and empathize with you.  Sampter’s really sucks, but

there are a lot of people with far worse diseases.   If we all stay as positive

as possible, and keep each other informed, some day we are going to cure this

thing.  If I sound like a cheerleader. It’s because I’m trying to

be.  I have had a lot of “down” days myself.

Tom Schultz

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samters

Subject: Re: Re: Experimenting

Intuitively, I agree with this idea, but I'm not sure where

it comes from...why is this accepted as fact by most people? I have asked

people, but the only response I get is something like " they " have

done " studies " -- which isn't exactly substantial reasoning.

I have tried all sorts of 'altenative' cures to Samter's but

none of them have worked. I've completely lost the ability to believe

that anything will work at this point

On 10/9/07, Silvina Hunter

<hunter_pondal@...>

wrote:

Hi Mark,

Anyway, I respect people's decision to refuse to

try it simply because in every type of treatment, between 50 and 70 % of the

efficiency of the treatment is the patient's faith in the treatment's success.

Silvina

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[Guest guest]

What I was responding to was that someone wrote they didn't want to

mess with the onion every day, but then Silvina replied that you

wouldn't have to, because the onions would clear up your sinusitis

and you wouldn't have to use it anymore.

I found this hard to believe (and still do), because the polyps cause

a chronic sinusitis, like you say, Mark.

I don't find it hard to believe that the onion juice would help with

sinusitis. I just find it hard to believe you could use it, it would

work, and then you could stop taking it. Does that make any sense?

Lori

> >

> > I am still singing the praises of onion juice. It worked for me

and

> I have had Samters for over 10 years.

> >

> >

> > Re: Experimenting

> >

> >

> > Wow, so you are saying onion juice CURES the polyps and the

> sinusitis?

> > This seems pretty unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters

> is a

> > chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.

> >

> > If this really works and " cures the sinusitis " that would be

pretty

> > much a miracle.

> >

> > I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some

more

> from

> > others with Samters on how it's working out.

> >

> > Lori in NY

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

With all due respect, you don't have polyps. What shows for me on

CAT scans is not sinusitis. It's polyps. This makes a huge

difference in the understanding of the problem and it really can't be

ignored.

What confused me was when you said you could use the onion juice, the

sinusitis would clear up, and then you could stop using the onion

juice.

Lori

<<Hi Mark,

My sinusitis was chronic, and if you scan my sinus today (in fact I

had it checked this year) apart from seeing a deviated septum (caused

by my previous sinusitis) you will still see some mucus - but very

little and not enough to give me any of the bothersome symptoms.

So, as someone said, I will never completely 'cure' this problem, but

I consider it 'cured' from the moment I don't feel the same symptoms

that I used to have before this treatment.>>

[Guest guest]

, I don't believe this is true -- please don't beat yourself up

about this. I have been told by people that I caused my breast

cancer by thinking negative thoughts, and this runs along the same

lines as this for me. I would never suggest to a child with cystic

fibrosis, for example, that he or she isn't believing hard enough in

the treatment and therefore it's not working as well as it should.

Or to someone with a brain tumor that if they just believed the

surgery could have gotten all of the tumor or the radiation could zap

it that it would get better. Why should Samter's be different?

There are some things we can all try, but as those of us who have

been on this list for years know, there is NO panacea. Nothing will

work 100 percent.

But don't give up. About 15 years ago I thought I would be dead from

the Samters because my symptoms were so severe and nothing including

steroids helped them. But I have been able to improve the symptoms a

LOT. You just have to find what works for you. I do think the

reduction in fat and meat products in the diet is one promising thing

that's very hard to do but seems to have a scientific basis and has

helped people here -- there are other things, too. You just have to

keep plugging away and find a combination that helps you improve your

symptoms so you can live a fuller life.

Lori

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Amen to that DanaD Preis <dspreis@...> wrote: One thing is certain---most doctors don't have a f* & ^%#* clue. Dana samters From: nathanladdgmailDate: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:36:21 -0500Subject: Re: Re: Experimenting Intuitively, I agree with this idea, but I'm not sure where it comes from...why is this accepted as fact by most people? I have asked people, but the

only response I get is something like "they" have done "studies" -- which isn't exactly substantial reasoning. I have tried all sorts of 'altenative' cures to Samter's but none of them have worked. I've completely lost the ability to believe that anything will work at this point On 10/9/07, Silvina Hunter <hunter_pondalhotmail> wrote: Hi Mark, Anyway, I respect people's decision to refuse to try it simply because in every type of treatment, between 50 and 70 % of the efficiency of the treatment is the patient's faith in the

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I used the onion juice for three days over two and a half weeks ago. It may not be for eeryone but for me it did work.

Re: Experimenting> > > > > > Wow, so you are saying onion juice CURES the polyps and the > sinusitis? > > This seems pretty unbelievable -- not to be skeptical but Samters > is a > > chronic illness that many of us have had for decades.> > > > If this really works and "cures the sinusitis" that would be pretty > > much a miracle.> > > > I haven't had a chance to try it yet, would like to hear some more > from > > others with Samters on how it's working out.> > > > Lori in NY> > > > > > > > > >

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Lori,

I have polyps, I have had two surgeries for polyps. This is my last post concerning the onion juice. Its there and it works but it is like anything else, it depends on what you want to do.

Re: Experimenting

With all due respect, you don't have polyps. What shows for me on CAT scans is not sinusitis. It's polyps. This makes a huge difference in the understanding of the problem and it really can't be ignored.What confused me was when you said you could use the onion juice, the sinusitis would clear up, and then you could stop using the onion juice. Lori<<Hi Mark,My sinusitis was chronic, and if you scan my sinus today (in fact I had it checked this year) apart from seeing a deviated septum (caused by my previous sinusitis) you will still see some mucus - but very little and not enough to give me any of the bothersome symptoms.So, as someone said, I will never completely 'cure' this problem, but I consider it 'cured' from the moment I don't feel the same symptoms that I used to have before this

treatment.>>

[Guest guest]

Ok,

while I am not in need of the onion solution right now, there have certainly

been times when I would have been willing to try it. So, my only question

is: does it matter what kind of onion? White, yellow, red, sweet?

There are a lot of onions out there… maybe it doesn’t

matter? I don’t recall seeing onion type in any of the posts but

maybe I just missed it…

K.

Re: Re: Experimenting

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:36:21 -0500

Intuitively, I agree with this idea,

but I'm not sure where it comes from...why is this accepted as fact by most

people? I have asked people, but the only response I get is something

like " they " have done " studies " -- which isn't exactly

substantial reasoning.

I have tried all sorts of

'altenative' cures to Samter's but none of them have worked. I've

completely lost the ability to believe that anything will work at this point

On 10/9/07,

Silvina Hunter <hunter_pondalhotmail>

wrote:

Hi Mark,

Anyway, I respect people's decision

to refuse to try it simply because in every type of treatment, between 50 and

70 % of the efficiency of the treatment is the patient's faith in the

treatment's success.

Silvina

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