Re: [lists] RE: part 2 of my saga lol

[Guest guest]

My husband is diabetic and has eliminated Glipiside from his pill diet. since i

started using coconut so much. but he is also on a low gi carb diet. not so much

Atkins as just low carb. but he was always borderline anyway. Love the

natural God given stuff

back to the ice LOL

S.

part 2 of my saga lol

coconut oil open forumI read Dr Fife's Eat Fat book and thought it was

great! I have dropped all sugars - use stevia and once in awhile agave.

Had stripped fats down to olive oil until I read that book.

Now some questions:

Am I taking enough coconut oil?

Is olive oil ok? I use it on salad?

Am I getting paranoid about blood sugars? I have it down in the 80's in

the morning but I start to panic if it is 133 an hour after eating (it

is usually lower than this but I ate lunch out today - subway sub with a

bun and several sips of sugared lemonade - oh and a speeding ticket!) It

did go down to 117 two hours after eating. Am I worrying over nothing?

Can you totally reverse diabetes and does coconut oil help (Ihave read

books that say yes and no!)

Coconut oil does make stay full and like I said I think my BS is more

level since taking it.

Many thanks!!!

belinda

[Guest guest]

Belinda

If you go to this site and see what he says about Chana,this and other

things may also help your hubby as it has helped me to stabilise my

blood sugar levels.

http://www.mendosa.com/chanadal.html

I dont agree with everything he says,but he has some good points.

I tried the Chana,and it did make a differance.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so muc . going there now,

Belinda

[Guest guest]

Hi Tess,

140 is till way too high, way above normal. That is not

a maintainable number. I hope your husband goes back to his

doctor about it. Does he eat low carb? I am finding out

that everyone is different, and you have to use the blood

glucose meter to figure out what causes you to spike too much.

Some diabetics can eat more carbs than I can. I had to

" eat to meter " as they say.

[Guest guest]

>

> Belinda

> If you go to this site and see what he says about Chana,this and other

> things may also help your hubby as it has helped me to stabilise my

> blood sugar levels.

> http://www.mendosa.com/chanadal.html

> I dont agree with everything he says,but he has some good points.

> I tried the Chana,and it did make a differance.

>

>

Waht this guys says about cana dal being higher in fibre

than garbanzos is not true. And I quote:

___________________________________________________________________

Tim writes, " While I was in Tesco ( Britain's largest supermarket) I

checked on the nutritional information panel on the back of a packet

of Chana Dal. It was:

" 100g = 1404kj or 332kcal

protein 23.1g

carbo 48.2g

fat 6.5g

fibre 10.0g "

_____________________________________________________________________

ok, garbanzos have 17 grams of fiber per 100 grams:

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-B00001-01c217l.html

So chana dal does *not* have three times more fiber than

garbanzos. One always has to check people's claims.

I also think it's questionable to say that fiber makes

eating carbs all ok. For diabetics, it doesn't really

change much if you eat protein or fat or fiber along

with the carbs. If you eat too many carbs, it will still

affect the blood glucose. The only way to know is to

use the glucometer. I am very skeptical that this

could actually stabilize blood sugar. Maybe some diabetics

could eat it, but it depends. But I highly doubt that

chana dal is some miracle diabetic food.

Ya'll are also using VCO, right? Maybe it's that that

is helping with the blood glucose.

[Guest guest]

On 8/5/06, kohlrabi_croce <kohlrabi_croce@...> wrote:

> I also think it's questionable to say that fiber makes

> eating carbs all ok. For diabetics, it doesn't really

> change much if you eat protein or fat or fiber along

> with the carbs. If you eat too many carbs, it will still

> affect the blood glucose. The only way to know is to

> use the glucometer. I am very skeptical that this

> could actually stabilize blood sugar. Maybe some diabetics

> could eat it, but it depends. But I highly doubt that

> chana dal is some miracle diabetic food.

>

> Ya'll are also using VCO, right? Maybe it's that that

> is helping with the blood glucose.

>

>

For me, a diabetic, I stay away from ALL beans. Garbanzo beans

contain 48.2 grams of carbs, of which 10 are fiber. So eating 100

grams of garbanzo beans would give me 38.2 grams of dangerous carbs.

I try to keep my meals down to 5 or so grams of non-fiber carbs. A

whole avocado, for instance, contains less than 2 grams of non-fiber

carbs.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

Alobar,

If you go this page you will see about 'Chana Dal'.Its a legume that

has one of the lowest 'GI' there is and has helped a lot of people

including myself with sugar levels.

http://www.mendosa.com/chanadal.html

[Guest guest]

BUT, you need to look at the fiber in beans. Yes beans are high in carbs, but

they do not spike the BSL because they digest so slowly. You need to do some

research on the glycemic load. It is more important than the glycemic index.

Best Regards, Ratliff

in La Chorrera, Panama

Re: [lists] RE: part 2 of my saga lol

On 8/5/06, kohlrabi_croce <kohlrabi_croce@...> wrote:

> I also think it's questionable to say that fiber makes

> eating carbs all ok. For diabetics, it doesn't really

> change much if you eat protein or fat or fiber along

> with the carbs. If you eat too many carbs, it will still

> affect the blood glucose. The only way to know is to

> use the glucometer. I am very skeptical that this

> could actually stabilize blood sugar. Maybe some diabetics

> could eat it, but it depends. But I highly doubt that

> chana dal is some miracle diabetic food.

>

> Ya'll are also using VCO, right? Maybe it's that that

> is helping with the blood glucose.

>

>

For me, a diabetic, I stay away from ALL beans. Garbanzo beans

contain 48.2 grams of carbs, of which 10 are fiber. So eating 100

grams of garbanzo beans would give me 38.2 grams of dangerous carbs.

I try to keep my meals down to 5 or so grams of non-fiber carbs. A

whole avocado, for instance, contains less than 2 grams of non-fiber

carbs.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

Chana Dal has 47.4 g of carbs, of which 11.2 g are fiber. That means

the body must process 26.2 grams of carbs. I do not eat that much

fiber in 2 full days, sometimes not in a week.

Both the American Dietetic Association and the American Diabetes

Association mislead people by saying that low GI carbs are OK to eat.

The pancreas must put out enough insulin to handle every gram of

carbs one eats. When one has diabetes, one has insulin resistance,

which means the cells won't accept glucose even when sufficient

insulin is present. Low GI carbs are easier on the pancreas than

high GI carbs, but cutting back on all carbs is far far better, imo.

The medical docs prescribe diabetic drugs to force the pancreas to

produce more and more insulin. Forced high insulin production is hard

on the arterial lining, often causing heart disease. The diabetic

drugs aer hard on liver and/or kidneys. Many of the so-called

" diabetic complications " (liver failure, kidney failure, heart

disease) are directly related to treating diabeter with diabetic drugs

and suggesting patients take low GI carbs. Taking diabetic drugs will

eventually kill off one's ability to make any insulin at all, so one

is then forced to use injectable insulin for the rest of one's life.

So taking in ANY high carb foods, whether low or medium GI is, imo,

suicidal. Much better to control blood sugar with diet, exercise,

and a good regime of vitamins and supplements. I have been off the

diabetic drugs now for 5-1/2 years. My doc told me that I may age I

would never be able to control blood glucose levels with diet alone.

Last time I measured my glycosylated hemoglobin A1c (HbA1c) was 5.9

when last measured. I was told by my doc that anything under 6.5 is

fine for a diabetic of my age. My daily blood glucose reading are

generally under 120. 127 is what the doc told me was " acceptable

control. "

I can't say what would work for someone else, but for me, staying away

from all high carb foods, whether they be low or high GI, works.

Why do doctors recommend people take dangerous diabetic drugs and eat

a diet high in low GI carbs? The doctors make money from sick people

who need their drugs. And even well meaning docs are trained in med

schools with propaganda from the billionaire drug companies who want

people taking more of their toxic drugs.

So I have learned to ALWAYS look into any advice the docs give out to

see if there are better ways the docs are not taking about, whether

they are ignorant, or are just trying to protect their incomes by

keeping people sick and needing doctors.

Alobar

On 8/5/06, k8teeth <stonesigns@...> wrote:

> Alobar,

> If you go this page you will see about 'Chana Dal'.Its a legume that

> has one of the lowest 'GI' there is and has helped a lot of people

> including myself with sugar levels.

> http://www.mendosa.com/chanadal.html

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I fully disagee with you on this. Carbs are not good for diabetics,

whether low GI or high GI. High GI are worse than low GI, but having

a low carb diet is far far better than either.

Alobar

On 8/5/06, bob ratliff <bratliff@...> wrote:

> BUT, you need to look at the fiber in beans. Yes beans are high in carbs, but

they do not spike the BSL because they digest so slowly. You need to do some

research on the glycemic load. It is more important than the glycemic index.

>

> Best Regards, Ratliff

> in La Chorrera, Panama

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I fully disagee with you on this. Carbs are not good for diabetics,

> whether low GI or high GI. High GI are worse than low GI, but having

> a low carb diet is far far better than either.

I absolutey agree with this. It seems to be common knowledge.

I have had to cut out a great many things, and I use my meter

to give me a clue about it.

, are you diabetic?

[Guest guest]

I was a diabetic. I am now glucose intolerant. I have a doctor certificate

stating I passed the glucose test. It took me 2 1/2 years to accomplish this. I

have never taken a med. for bsl. My doctor of course had never witnessed a

success like mine. Because most people do not know how to eat for diabetes or

will not change the way they eat. We need to get this off the coconut forum. I

used to give information on paltalk. I can open it again if people here are

interested. Paltalk is a voice chat program.

Best Regards, Ratliff

in La Chorrera, Panama

Re: [lists] RE: part 2 of my saga lol

>

> I fully disagee with you on this. Carbs are not good for diabetics,

> whether low GI or high GI. High GI are worse than low GI, but having

> a low carb diet is far far better than either.

I absolutey agree with this. It seems to be common knowledge.

I have had to cut out a great many things, and I use my meter

to give me a clue about it.

, are you diabetic?

[Guest guest]

You can disagree all you want. Have you reversed diabetes. I have.

Best Regards, Ratliff

in La Chorrera, Panama

Re: [lists] RE: part 2 of my saga lol

I fully disagee with you on this. Carbs are not good for diabetics,

whether low GI or high GI. High GI are worse than low GI, but having

a low carb diet is far far better than either.

Alobar

On 8/5/06, bob ratliff <bratliff@...> wrote:

> BUT, you need to look at the fiber in beans. Yes beans are high in carbs,

but they do not spike the BSL because they digest so slowly. You need to do some

research on the glycemic load. It is more important than the glycemic index.

>

> Best Regards, Ratliff

> in La Chorrera, Panama

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob all health topics are welcome here and with diabetes rampant in the

world,this is a very interesting topic to many . Coconut oil is just one key in

the quest for good health.

IN NC

bob ratliff <bratliff@...> wrote:

I was a diabetic. I am now glucose intolerant. I have a doctor

certificate stating I passed the glucose test. It took me 2 1/2 years to

accomplish this. I have never taken a med. for bsl. My doctor of course had

never witnessed a success like mine. Because most people do not know how to eat

for diabetes or will not change the way they eat. We need to get this off the

coconut forum. I used to give information on paltalk. I can open it again if

people here are interested. Paltalk is a voice chat program.

Best Regards, Ratliff

in La Chorrera, Panama

Re: [lists] RE: part 2 of my saga lol

>

> I fully disagee with you on this. Carbs are not good for diabetics,

> whether low GI or high GI. High GI are worse than low GI, but having

> a low carb diet is far far better than either.

I absolutey agree with this. It seems to be common knowledge.

I have had to cut out a great many things, and I use my meter

to give me a clue about it.

, are you diabetic?

[Guest guest]

>

> You can disagree all you want. Have you reversed diabetes. I have.

Getting your blood glucose down into the pre-diabetic range is

not reversal. That's just getting better control of it, if in

fact you did.

What are you trying to pull?

[Guest guest]

Congradulations ,

Ive heard of reversal as well.Id like to hear how you did it.

Bruce says that coconut makes one insulin sensative,which as far as I

know means that the body produces less because its taught to use

less.Or diet can make us 'resistant',so that the body has to produce

more.Diet can make us sensitive again as well as exercise,it trains the

muscles to use insulin properly.

Cinnamon also decreases our need for insulin because it makes us

more 'sensitive' to it and thus we need less of it.

[Guest guest]

I ate only meat and raw veggies. Things with minimal carbs and max. nutrition.

Oils slow the digestion process. Thus less insulin is needed.

Best Regards, Ratliff

in La Chorrera, Panama

Re: [lists] RE: part 2 of my saga lol

Congradulations ,

Ive heard of reversal as well.Id like to hear how you did it.

Bruce says that coconut makes one insulin sensative,which as far as I

know means that the body produces less because its taught to use

less.Or diet can make us 'resistant',so that the body has to produce

more.Diet can make us sensitive again as well as exercise,it trains the

muscles to use insulin properly.

Cinnamon also decreases our need for insulin because it makes us

more 'sensitive' to it and thus we need less of it.

[Guest guest]

>

> I ate only meat and raw veggies. Things with minimal carbs and max.

nutrition. Oils slow the digestion process. Thus less insulin is needed.

So you're not promoting eating beans to " cure " diabetes...

Geez! Then why did you disagree with me and alobar?

Whatever <shrug>

[Guest guest]

re read my post. I never said beans would cure diabetes, quit twisting my words

Best Regards, Ratliff

in La Chorrera, Panama

Re: [lists] RE: part 2 of my saga lol

>

> I ate only meat and raw veggies. Things with minimal carbs and max.

nutrition. Oils slow the digestion process. Thus less insulin is needed.

So you're not promoting eating beans to " cure " diabetes...

Geez! Then why did you disagree with me and alobar?

Whatever <shrug>