Re: Cholesterol bummer

[Guest guest]

Jim

There is an ongoing study on Banaba and Sambong great potential to bring

cholesterol down. Do a search at http://www.stuartXchange.com This website

will show you the different Philippine herbs (we've got so many, actually in the

thousands) and its uses. This website gives 250+ plants.

Cholesterol bummer

Had my quarterly bloodwork done and I'm a bit bummed out and annoyed.

My last one was Nov 2003, and I just got a new one last week. My

sugar is excellent (h1abc of 4.6!), triglycerides are real low - as

can be expected on a generally low carb regimen. But my LDL is UP

five points and my HDL is DOWN a couple of points. My LDL is now over

200 and HDL is below 40! Dammit! And this is with clean diet,

exercise 3-5 times a week, etc. Plus I started taking coconut oil

just last January.

So I'm at a loss here and am this close to asking my doctor to

finally prescribe a statin to bring it down.

I'm trying to figure out what I did the past three months to boost

the LDL and lower the HDL. The only thing I can figure out it is:

a) I started taking VCO, and

I cheated a few times and ate Mc's fries and ate all those

darn trans-fats. Yes we have them too in the Philippines.

c) It was the holiday season and my diet was horrible (more roast pig

than usual!)

d) I gained about 5 pounds since last November.

Obviously for this group letter a) will have to ruled out as a cause

because that would be blasphemous to the VCO doctrine that it doesn't

raise cholesterol :-) So I will keep the VCO for now but I think I

may have gone overboard with the consumption and will limit to three

or four tablespoons a day, with the rest of the fats being

monounsaturated virgin olive oil. However I really want to believe

that VCO is not responsible (and should even lower cholesterol) so I

will mainly cut out the last two possibilities (no more deep fried

fast food for 3 months) and will work on losing those new 5 pounds.

Will also try some anectdotal remedies for boosting like a glass of

red wine a day, Niacin supplementation and will up the cardio to 30

mins, 5 times a week.

Then I'll examine the results after 2-3 months.

Talk about your long term studies ... am setting myself as a guinea

pig here! I really want to avoid taking Lipitor but if this doesn't

work, I'm biting the pill.

Any tips on boosting HDL? I'm more concerned about this than anything.

Yes I know I'm supposed to be a good lad and not believe the " lipid

hypothesis " as Enig and Sally Fallon says but I just want to err

on the safe side here!

Of course any pep talk on " keeping the faith " will be appreciated. :-)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

At 05:44 AM 3/12/2004 -0800, Wilkins wrote:

>Acording to the book The Water Cure by Batmangelidge(sp) , (see a link in

>our links section) If you dont drink enough water you can have high

>cholesterol.

Thanks - actually if I drunk any more water, I'd probably be a fish.

I drink a lot of it as it is.

Correction to my previous post, my LDL level is actually 150 mg/dl, not

200. I was able to bring it down to 83 six months ago (naturally, without

statins), so am curious as to what could have caused the spike. LDL is

actually easier to bring down, it's my chronically low HDL that I've always

had a hard time bringing up.

Had a bit of a " crisis of faith " for a bit there - and asked what if it was

the high saturated fat in coconut oil caused the spike? Ah, but no, I must

stay the course and have faith in my new religion of medium chain

triglycerides I'm sure that many of you embarked on the coconut oil trip

with your own doubts as well thanks to years of indoctrination on the evils

of saturated fat so we all need reassurance.

Has anyone out there reported improved cholesterol levels due to VCO? Would

like to hear of them, actual experiences are always better than drug

company-sponsored studies :-)

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

>

> Any tips on boosting HDL? I'm more concerned about this than anything.

>

> Yes I know I'm supposed to be a good lad and not believe the " lipid

> hypothesis " as Enig and Sally Fallon says but I just want to err

> on the safe side here!

HDL cholesterol rises with HGH therapy. That's usually accomplished

with amino acids.

VLDL and LDL drop when dietary inulin is increased. Inulin also helps

to protect the liver from oxidative stress, it corrects bowel

bacteria, and has positive action on glucose and triglycerides

depending on what level they're at.

Not bad for a single food you can take as a supplement,and is

probably low in the diet anyway.

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Where's inulin naturally found if you don't want to take it as a

supplement? What exactly is it BTW?

Thanks

Lynn

> VLDL and LDL drop when dietary inulin is increased. Inulin also

helps

> to protect the liver from oxidative stress, it corrects bowel

> bacteria, and has positive action on glucose and triglycerides

> depending on what level they're at.

>

> Not bad for a single food you can take as a supplement,and is

> probably low in the diet anyway.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Before you get all stressed out about your cholesterol readings, read these

articles.

And know that stress can raise the levels. Also that there are more dangers

associated with low cholesterol than high.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cvd_index.html

I think I posted this one just the other day, but I’m posting it again just

for you.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/enig_chol.html

Also, read your way through this website. It will open your eyes.

http://www.thincs.org/

And above all, whatever else you do, wipe from your mind the idea of taking

cholesterol lowering drugs.

If you think Lipitor is the way to go these may change your mind.

http://home.earthlink.net/~mbabc/statin.html

http://www.medicalconsumers.org/pages/cholesterol_skeptics.html

There, that should be more than enough reading to keep you out of trouble

for a while.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: Jim Ayson [mailto:jim@...]

Had my quarterly bloodwork done and I'm a bit bummed out and annoyed.

My last one was Nov 2003, and I just got a new one last week. My

sugar is excellent (h1abc of 4.6!), triglycerides are real low - as

can be expected on a generally low carb regimen. But my LDL is UP

five points and my HDL is DOWN a couple of points. My LDL is now over

200 and HDL is below 40! Dammit! And this is with clean diet,

exercise 3-5 times a week, etc. Plus I started taking coconut oil

just last January.

So I'm at a loss here and am this close to asking my doctor to

finally prescribe a statin to bring it down.

I'm trying to figure out what I did the past three months to boost

the LDL and lower the HDL. The only thing I can figure out it is:

a) I started taking VCO, and

I cheated a few times and ate Mc's fries and ate all those

darn trans-fats. Yes we have them too in the Philippines.

c) It was the holiday season and my diet was horrible (more roast pig

than usual!)

d) I gained about 5 pounds since last November.

Obviously for this group letter a) will have to ruled out as a cause

because that would be blasphemous to the VCO doctrine that it doesn't

raise cholesterol :-) So I will keep the VCO for now but I think I

may have gone overboard with the consumption and will limit to three

or four tablespoons a day, with the rest of the fats being

monounsaturated virgin olive oil. However I really want to believe

that VCO is not responsible (and should even lower cholesterol) so I

will mainly cut out the last two possibilities (no more deep fried

fast food for 3 months) and will work on losing those new 5 pounds.

Will also try some anectdotal remedies for boosting like a glass of

red wine a day, Niacin supplementation and will up the cardio to 30

mins, 5 times a week.

Then I'll examine the results after 2-3 months.

Talk about your long term studies ... am setting myself as a guinea

pig here! I really want to avoid taking Lipitor but if this doesn't

work, I'm biting the pill.

Any tips on boosting HDL? I'm more concerned about this than anything.

Yes I know I'm supposed to be a good lad and not believe the " lipid

hypothesis " as Enig and Sally Fallon says but I just want to err

on the safe side here!

Of course any pep talk on " keeping the faith " will be appreciated. :-)

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone -

I'm new on this list - have been lurking for a little while. Somebody

on another list mentioned your list which I though sounded interesting.

So it's nice to meet you all. I'll read back in the archives before I

start asking questions, in case things have been discussed before - I

don't want to repeat stuff.

One question about inulin that was just asked I do know the answer -

Inulin is a prebiotic, which is a food for probiotics - something that

promotes the growth of probiotics. Fructo-oligosaccharides (FOS) are

considered prebiotics. FOS is a naturally occurring sugar found in

plants such as Jerusalem artichoke, garlic, banana, onion, barley,

wheat, rye, tomato, cold-processed nutritional blue-green algae. I use

a " friendly bacteria " supplement which has both pre and pro biotics.

The list of it's ingredients are: Lactobacillus acidophilus DDS-1,

Bifidobacterium bifidum, Lactobacillus bulgaricus, Lactobacillus casei,

Lactobacillus plantarum, Lactobacillus salivarius, Streptococcus

faecium, Streptococcus thermophilus, Acerola and Rose Hips blend, wild

blue-green algae, Jerusalem Artichoke, Lipase, Amylase, Protease, and

Cellulase.

Carol M

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Organic, wholefood, supplements provide nutrients essential for the

health of people, pets and plants. <http://www.bluegreensolutions.com>

http://www.bluegreensolutions.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----

From: Lynn Razaitis [mailto:lyn122@...]

Where's inulin naturally found if you don't want to take it as a

supplement? What exactly is it BTW?

Thanks

Lynn

[Guest guest]

I recently listened to a tape of Uffe Ravnskov at the last Weston A.

Price conference. It was a question and answer session and people kept

asking questions about lowering their LDL. Dr. Ravnskov was genuinely

perplexed as to why anyone would concern themselves at all with their

cholesterol levels.

[Guest guest]

>Any tips on boosting HDL? I'm more concerned about this than anything.

Are you eating fish or taking fish oil capsules regularly? Or ground flaxseeds?

>Yes I know I'm supposed to be a good lad and not believe the " lipid

>hypothesis " as Enig and Sally Fallon says but I just want to err

>on the safe side here!

>

>Of course any pep talk on " keeping the faith " will be appreciated. :-)

It sounds like you're doing a lot right. If your weight is at a

normal level and you're feeling good, maybe those numbers are just...

numbers. They're just risk factors, not causative. But if your

lifestyle is healthful, in your case there may not be much risk. Just

a possibility to consider.

Cheers,

Jeanmarie

[Guest guest]

> I cheated a few times and ate Mc's fries and ate all those

>darn trans-fats. Yes we have them too in the Philippines.

That may be the problem.

Jeanmarie

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

Would you be kind enough to give us foods rich in inulin, please?

Thanks.

Re: Cholesterol bummer

Hi Jim,

>

> Any tips on boosting HDL? I'm more concerned about this than anything.

>

> Yes I know I'm supposed to be a good lad and not believe the " lipid

> hypothesis " as Enig and Sally Fallon says but I just want to err

> on the safe side here!

HDL cholesterol rises with HGH therapy. That's usually accomplished

with amino acids.

VLDL and LDL drop when dietary inulin is increased. Inulin also helps

to protect the liver from oxidative stress, it corrects bowel

bacteria, and has positive action on glucose and triglycerides

depending on what level they're at.

Not bad for a single food you can take as a supplement,and is

probably low in the diet anyway.

regards,

Duncan Crow

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Once a month or even once a week should not destroy a good eating plan.

My question would be: " Have you eliminated all sugars and other refined,

adulterated foods? " .

Best Regards,

Lorenzo

Oil $Money is supporting terrorism, So We must stop buying gasoline or find

another way to shut down Oil $Money from Terrorists. Your choice.

Re: Cholesterol bummer

> I cheated a few times and ate Mc's fries and ate all those

>darn trans-fats. Yes we have them too in the Philippines.

That may be the problem.

Jeanmarie

[Guest guest]

Have you looked at homocysteine?

Best Regards,

Lorenzo

Oil $Money is supporting terrorism, So We must stop buying gasoline or find

another way to shut down Oil $Money from Terrorists. Your choice.

Re: Cholesterol bummer

>Any tips on boosting HDL? I'm more concerned about this than anything.

Are you eating fish or taking fish oil capsules regularly? Or ground

flaxseeds?

>Yes I know I'm supposed to be a good lad and not believe the " lipid

>hypothesis " as Enig and Sally Fallon says but I just want to err

>on the safe side here!

>

>Of course any pep talk on " keeping the faith " will be appreciated. :-)

It sounds like you're doing a lot right. If your weight is at a

normal level and you're feeling good, maybe those numbers are just...

numbers. They're just risk factors, not causative. But if your

lifestyle is healthful, in your case there may not be much risk. Just

a possibility to consider.

Cheers,

Jeanmarie

[Guest guest]

Lorenzo, your posts are right up my alley! What is hardest to do,

the one thing we do not want to do, spend so much money in order to

avoid doing (maybe this supplement, or that vitamin, or another

herb?), is getting refined sugar and white flour out of our diet.

It is the simplest, and the hardest thing to do. And the most

effective path to good health.

Still working on it,

-Blair

> Once a month or even once a week should not destroy a good eating

plan.

>

> My question would be: " Have you eliminated all sugars and other

refined,

> adulterated foods? " .

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Lorenzo

>

> Oil $Money is supporting terrorism, So We must stop buying

gasoline or find

> another way to shut down Oil $Money from Terrorists. Your choice.

>

>

> Re: Cholesterol bummer

>

>

>

> > I cheated a few times and ate Mc's fries and ate all

those

> >darn trans-fats. Yes we have them too in the Philippines.

>

> That may be the problem.

>

> Jeanmarie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not Duncan, but I thought I already answered this question - I'm

fairly new here, and maybe my post didn't go through for some reason, so

here's the list again -

Jerusalem artichoke, garlic, banana, onion, barley, asparagus, wheat,

rye, tomato, cold-processed nutritional blue-green algae.

Actually, it's estimated that about 1/3 of the earth's vegetation

contains inulin. And it's also used as an isolated ingredient in a lot

of processed foods because of the health benefits. But I would stay

away from anything that contains isolated nutrients - not just the

processed isolated inulin, but anything isolated. They put inulin in

processed foods such as cereal, ice cream, yogurt, beverages. That's

simply not natrual and not how it's found in nature. Stay away from

anything processed.

Carol M

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Organic, wholefood, supplements provide nutrients essential for the

health of people, pets and plants. <http://www.bluegreensolutions.com>

http://www.bluegreensolutions.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----

From: pbanagal [mailto:pbanagal@...]

Duncan,

Would you be kind enough to give us foods rich in inulin, please?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

>

> Duncan,

>

> Would you be kind enough to give us foods rich in inulin, please?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

Hi ,

All vegetation contains inulin; it's the second most common

carbohydrate after starch. What you're looking for are sources HIGH

in inulin, for even wheat and bananas contain some, but you couldn't

eat enough to get a decent dose if you wanted to.

A bunch of food sources of inulin have been analysed and compiled

into two separate tables in the scientific material on my web site;

one is on the inulin/bowel dysbiosis page, and the other is in

" Inulin: A Comprehensive Scientific Review " linked from that page. A

valuable resource, I have the most complete site on this general

subject anywhere.

Not sure if I can post the site myself because it's my own commercial

site (I'm the only retail source for sugar-free inulin), but I am

sure someone else can post the link here.

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

> Actually, it's estimated that about 1/3 of the earth's vegetation

> contains inulin. And it's also used as an isolated ingredient in a

> lot of processed foods because of the health benefits. But I would

> stay away from anything that contains isolated nutrients - not just

> the processed isolated inulin, but anything isolated. They put inulin

> in processed foods such as cereal, ice cream, yogurt, beverages.

> That's simply not natrual and not how it's found in nature. Stay away

> from anything processed.

>

> Carol M

Carol, I can understand why you are cautious about using what you

perceive is an isolated nutrient, based on other examples.

But you worded very well that common misconception about a inulin.

It's not really an isolated nutrient; it's a water extraction. Your

concern in this respect is like saying you should be wary of re-using

your boiled potato or vegetable water in a soup.

Incidentally, a couple of the examples you gave of inulin-containing

foods, such as the wheat and the bananas, contain vastly more

problematic starches etc. than they do inulin, and as with a lot of

foods, you couldn't eat enough to achieve therapeutic inulin levels.

You could however conceivably get enough in chicory and dandelion

root, garlic, onions, murnong, yacon, jicama, camas lily, jerusalem

artichoke root, and dandelion greens, but because it's dose-

dependent, even with those natural high-inulin sources you'd need to

eat several servings per day, as you can see from the chart compiled

from several studies in " Inulin: A Comprehensive Scientific Review "

on my website, which specifies the relative concentration of inulin

in selected foods.

Where the real usefulness of inulin powder itself comes into play

relates to the 12-15 grams daily requirement. Also, in people with

existing bowel problems, candida, diabetes, crohn's colitis and IBS,

who shouldn't have the sugar component, sugar free inulin can be used

at least in the short term to good, often spectacular, effect for

restoring bowel bacteria to normal.

This of course would be given at the same time as coconut oil is

doing its part to reduce the numbers of pathogenic bacteria in the

colon and throughout the body.

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

> Cholesterol bummer

>

>

> Had my quarterly bloodwork done and I'm a bit bummed out and

annoyed.

> My last one was Nov 2003, and I just got a new one last week. My

> sugar is excellent (h1abc of 4.6!), triglycerides are real low -

as

> can be expected on a generally low carb regimen. But my LDL is UP

> five points and my HDL is DOWN a couple of points. My LDL is now

over

> 200 and HDL is below 40! Dammit! And this is with clean diet,

> exercise 3-5 times a week, etc. Plus I started taking coconut oil

> just last January.

>

> So I'm at a loss here and am this close to asking my doctor to

> finally prescribe a statin to bring it down.

You might want to check this out before starting any statin

drugs:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/doorinward/358901.html

Alobar

[Guest guest]

At 06:37 PM 3/23/2004 -0600, Alobar wrote:

> You might want to check this out before starting any statin

>drugs:

>http://www.livejournal.com/users/doorinward/358901.html

When I tried that link - I got a dead link - but I get the picture, Alobar.

>

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

jim ayson / jim@... / www.philmusic.com

[Guest guest]

Alobar,

I tried to access the website you gave, and got 'unauthorized'

message. I would like to read this; I wonder if you could

copy/paste on this board, or send it to me?

Thanks in advance,

-Blair

p.s. Jim - You say low carb, that's good, but are you eating your

vegetables? Not some freeze-dried protein isolate, I hope? REAL

food?

-should have been a Jewish mama :-),

-Blair

>

> > Cholesterol bummer

> >

> >

> > Had my quarterly bloodwork done and I'm a bit bummed out and

> annoyed.

> > My last one was Nov 2003, and I just got a new one last week.

My

> > sugar is excellent (h1abc of 4.6!), triglycerides are real

low -

> as

> > can be expected on a generally low carb regimen. But my LDL is

UP

> > five points and my HDL is DOWN a couple of points. My LDL is

now

> over

> > 200 and HDL is below 40! Dammit! And this is with clean diet,

> > exercise 3-5 times a week, etc. Plus I started taking coconut

oil

> > just last January.

> >

> > So I'm at a loss here and am this close to asking my doctor to

> > finally prescribe a statin to bring it down.

>

>

> You might want to check this out before starting any statin

> drugs:

> http://www.livejournal.com/users/doorinward/358901.html

>

> Alobar

[Guest guest]

>Alobar,

>I tried to access the website you gave, and got 'unauthorized'

>message. I would like to read this; I wonder if you could

>copy/paste on this board, or send it to me?

>Thanks in advance,

>-Blair

I had the same experience.

Jeanmarie

[Guest guest]

Re: Cholesterol bummer

> >Alobar,

> >I tried to access the website you gave, and got 'unauthorized'

> >message. I would like to read this; I wonder if you could

> >copy/paste on this board, or send it to me?

> >Thanks in advance,

> >-Blair

>

> I had the same experience.

> Jeanmarie

See the big post (46 KB) I made about 12 hours ago with the

same subject line as the post you made.

Alobar