Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 On 1/4/07, Mike and Jill <soulpatch@...> wrote: > > I admit that I havent read the posts on this subject leading up to the > last digest > so forgive if what I say is redundant as I weigh in on the atkins thread. > I certainly am no expert on atkins at all, > and I do not knowif the advocate of the diet has said that she believes in > everything about the diet either. > but for me to read someone say that atkins is a healthy diet is just so > foreign that I cant even comprehend the thought. Have you read the original Atkins and Hellers books mentioned or have you just heard about the diet. I suspect from your post the latter Doesnt the atkins " diet " promote artificial sweetners, splenda in > particular, > something that isnt even a food but contrived in a lab? The Atkins Corporation does, but then we were discussing just how far from Atkins works they've come. anyone happen to have an article filed that explains how artificial > sweeteners do something to the brain and actually make a person *more* > hungry and THEREFORE make people gain weight? The Hellers in particular agree with this and explain that a lot of people can't tolerate sweeteners. > > Does not also the atkins " diet " promote little frozen and canned overly > processed diet meals w/ low calorie empty " food " ? No. Atkins doesn't count calories at all. He promoted real fresh food. Of course the problem lies in when we eat more calories than our body > requires and our body stores the fat to use as energy in case of crisis. That's not the whole story. You have to look at the whole insulin cycle as well which is the main reason for a low carb diet in the first place. I cant *imagine* trying to get by on empty lab made food or not enough > calories. How unpleasant would that be when our body is crying for > nourishment? Absolutely horrific, I can't think of anything worse. I like food not lab products. But I mean that if we are to eat three healthy meals a day and consume all > the nutrients that our body requires that we will feel *satisfied* > and have what our body needs to function at peak level. However everyone is different and many people can't tolerate large numbers of carbs. Anyone with insulin resistance or hyperinsulanaemia will *not* function at peak level while ingesting a high carb diet. I dont know about you, > but I am such a busy busy woman , > I absolutely need peak performance therefore I need all my calories . > And that is the whole idea surrounding virgin cold pressed coconut oil. > That is what those of us who are sold on this type of a diet are preaching > here. We believe in calories! yeah for satuated fat and calories that will > be turned into energy! yeah for an oil that is a real food, > not processed or concocted in a lab like crisco, > but a real food , > as close to nature as possible, > a raw food brimming w/ health benefits. Exactly what Atkins preached. Real calories, real food. Now on the other hand, > in defense of the lady that is touting atkins as wonderful, > perhaps she isnt meaning to say that she beleives in consuming the splenda > and the horrid processed stuff that my mind thinks of? Not sure if I'm who you're referring to but if I'm touting Atkins why on earth would I believe in horrid processed stuff - I don't. but you really don't seem to grasp what Atkins is all about. Perhaps she is just saying that she has changed her eating habits to a more > basic lifestyle, > that she is now limiting her carbs, and those that she does consume are > only the healthy natural variety, > like fruit and potatoes and whole grains and that she has eliminated all > the processed white junk out of her diet. No, neither myself nor any of the other low carbers said that so why on earth do you say that perhaps that's what we're saying. Why don't you read what we actually did say. You obviously understand the whole concept carbohydrates about as much as you understand Atkins. I've already clearly stated my position. I don't need it interpreted (erroneously) by you. Kirsteen -- Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 If Atkins is used as a lifestyle, and not a diet, it is healthy. When I go shopping for my meals, I rarely go down the canned food aisle. I My food mostly comes from the meat, dairy and produce aisles. I don't have time to figure out which diet product I need. I just want to adjust my diet so that I am at a healthy weight and ideal health. I klearned to do this by reading the book and researching what I have learned. Of these things I have discovered that my diet, Atkins, is one that is actually recommended by the " experts " . No one will recommend to the fact that Atkins is a healthy diet but they all will say that, bell peppers, strawberries, blueberries, collard greens,mustard greens,spinach,asparagus,onions, tomatoes,avocados,walnuts, brazil nuts, pecans are healthy foods. Fish, meat, chicken, eggs are healthy foods. These are some foods on Atkins. Sure, you can get the frankenfoods if you want. Many other diet companies are attempting to take advantage of low carbers by making their own versions of these diet products. But it is not necessary to make a diet out of Atkins and too many people believe that that is what it is.Atkins recommends food and has a list of acceptable foods in the book. People who dislike vegetables or have a hard time managing their appettite can use many of the frankenfoods but this isn't what the diet is all about.But just by skimming thru my old Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution pp.85,124-32, 228-31 I see no reference to the products as a necessity in dietary success.. As for the convenience foods ( frankenfoods ) it does say that they come in handy in a pinch,although unprocessed foods are recommended. This is on p.129 and it warns not to overdo or abuse these foods. Improving my diet has given me stable blood glucose levels, stable blood pressure. My cholesterol total is 149 with desired ratios. My triglycerides are 49. I have not had ferocious itchy skin in 4 years. My acid reflux is gone. My joints are not achy and migraines have vanished.Believe it or not, my hair is healthier with fewer gray. Before making assumption of the diet, read it. Read the book, visit blogs and other pro-lowcarb/Atkins web sites.This is what I did and I learned more about good nutrition. My niece, a dietition and naysayer, was surprised to see the foods that I actually eat on Atkins. Splenda is the preferred sweetener over sugar.Alot of negativity has been written about it but I have yet to find it harming my body the way sugar or fructose.Unfortunately, my past dietary habits involved tons of sugar. Sometimes I need to satisfy the sweet tooth that I developed over the years. I prefer the artificial sweetener over diabetes or cavities. I would like to finish with the fact that the Atkins diet is mallible. It is a schematic to help everyone to individulize their needs.This is why I not only researched this diet, I investigated other lifestyle that are similar. My body is functioning at peak level. This past November, I completed a 5K run. This is something I attempted 15 years ago when I weighed 30 lbs less and I didn't come close to achieve this. To get a better understanding of how low carb/protein diets work with the body, not against it, I suggest adding the book Protein Power by Drs. and Eades along with the 2002 edition of the Atkins deit Revolution. > > I admit that I havent read the posts on this subject leading up to the last digest > so forgive if what I say is redundant as I weigh in on the atkins thread. > I certainly am no expert on atkins at all, > and I do not knowif the advocate of the diet has said that she believes in everything about the diet either. > but for me to read someone say that atkins is a healthy diet is just so foreign that I cant even comprehend the thought. > Doesnt the atkins " diet " promote artificial sweetners, splenda in particular, > something that isnt even a food but contrived in a lab? > anyone happen to have an article filed that explains how artificial sweeteners do something to the brain and actually make a person *more* hungry and THEREFORE make people gain weight? I know I have read the research about this fleecing of American pocketbooks but I dont believe I saved an article explaining that. > Does not also the atkins " diet " promote little frozen and canned overly processed diet meals w/ low calorie empty " food " ? I guess I would ask is why would this laboratory manufactured food be any helathier than Mcs? At least Mcs has calories in it. Our bodies *need* calories. Healthy calories are converted into energy in our diet. Of course the problem lies in when we eat more calories than our body requires and our body stores the fat to use as energy in case of crisis. I cant *imagine* trying to get by on empty lab made food or not enough calories. How unpleasant would that be when our body is crying for nourishment? I am not saying that we need to always feel " full " like how one feels after walking away from overeating at Thanksgiving, > bleck, > that isnt an energetic feeling either. But I mean that if we are to eat three healthy meals a day and consume all the nutrients that our body requires that we will feel *satisfied* > and have what our body needs to function at peak level. I dont know about you, > but I am such a busy busy woman , > I absolutely need peak performance therefore I need all my calories . > And that is the whole idea surrounding virgin cold pressed coconut oil. That is what those of us who are sold on this type of a diet are preaching here. We believe in calories! yeah for satuated fat and calories that will be turned into energy! yeah for an oil that is a real food, > not processed or concocted in a lab like crisco, > but a real food , > as close to nature as possible, > a raw food brimming w/ health benefits. > Now on the other hand, > in defense of the lady that is touting atkins as wonderful, > perhaps she isnt meaning to say that she beleives in consuming the splenda and the horrid processed stuff that my mind thinks of? Perhaps she is just saying that she has changed her eating habits to a more basic lifestyle, > that she is now limiting her carbs, and those that she does consume are only the healthy natural variety, > like fruit and potatoes and whole grains and that she has eliminated all the processed white junk out of her diet. > i dont think we would argue that as a bad thing, > would we? > i think that any good thing to an excess is always bad tho, > that just is common sense. Where as a rounded variety of whole, healthy real food is always good. But still, we only want to eat what our body requires to function, > and not over dose on even that (with the exception of vco:)) > warmly,,,,jill > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 On 1/5/07, KC <kaylee4848@...> wrote: > > I've just been reading all the post on Atkins...I think if you follow his > diet in a HEALTHY way it probably is just that healthy....but I am sure > everyone on here knows of a person or persons who go on Atkins and just > think it is a " free for all " to eat tons and tons of meat, fat, cheese and > bacon... LOL - Yes of course. Some people will always try to twist things. I had a friend who went on a 1200 a day calorie controlled diet and worked out her allowance in chocolate mars bars and vodka!! Honestly. what that would do to your health is unthinkable. Kirsteen Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 > > > > I've just been reading all the post on Atkins...I think if you follow his > > diet in a HEALTHY way it probably is just that healthy....but I am sure > > everyone on here knows of a person or persons who go on Atkins and just > > think it is a " free for all " to eat tons and tons of meat, fat, cheese and > > bacon... > > > LOL - Yes of course. Some people will always try to twist things. I had a > friend who went on a 1200 a day calorie controlled diet and worked out her > allowance in chocolate mars bars and vodka!! Honestly. what that would do > to your health is unthinkable. > > Kirsteen > > Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 > > > > I've just been reading all the post on Atkins...I think if you follow his > > diet in a HEALTHY way it probably is just that healthy....but I am sure > > everyone on here knows of a person or persons who go on Atkins and just > > think it is a " free for all " to eat tons and tons of meat, fat, cheese and > > bacon... > > > LOL - Yes of course. Some people will always try to twist things. I had a > friend who went on a 1200 a day calorie controlled diet and worked out her > allowance in chocolate mars bars and vodka!! Honestly. what that would do > to your health is unthinkable. > > Kirsteen > > Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 On 1/7/07, seabreezin66 <kaylee4848@...> wrote: > > NOT eating a ton of > meat and fats, instead eating a low cal, low carb, lean protein > diet.....which is what Atkins would be if you took the " I can eat > whatever I want in whatever quantity " style that some people use the > diet for I personally don't agree with the *lean* protein bit. I believe the whole saturated fat myth that we already know was used to suppress the use of coconut oil and promote the vegeatable oils is responsible for people believing that fatty meats are bad. A really good book on the subject is 'Eat Fat - Get Thin' by Barry Groves. And the book is about overall health - not just losing weight. Also (I hate to sound as if I'm getting picky - who me :-) ) but I don't see the point in *low cal* either. Our bodies know how many calories we need. restricting intake below that just leads to the whole starvation - lower the metabolic rate - conserve energy cycle, so, for me, a healthy diet does not restrict either calories or fat. Now I'm not for one minute advocating a free for all stuff your face approach. Too much, i.e. more than we need of anything is bad for us. Kirsteen Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 On 1/8/07, KC <kaylee4848@...> wrote: > > Well I guess I must explain again. I want to eat fairly lean protein SO > THAT I CAN eat and have healthy fats in my diet...I am not able to afford > to > buy all my foods and meat at the health food store so I try and cut off > excess fat from my meats because of all the crap they put in > there...believe > me....I get plenty of fats in my diet. Yes I can understand that. We have a local farmers market every fortnight and several organic free range farms sell their meat there. I try to buy what I can but, understandably, it is so expensive. Also as to low cal (I didn't say anything about restricting below what your > body needs :-))....again that is a very broad statement...too many people > in > this country especially; eat 5000 calories a day and do stuff their > faces...lowering that to a healthy, NOT drastic level is what I am > shooting > for. Wow that sounds an incredible amount. everyone always says that portions in america tend to be far larger than overhere. I think you and I are on the same wave length.... LOL Shush!! You'll ruin my reputation :-) Kirsteen Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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