Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 irish_p_butter@... wrote: > Great Acting too, makes ya think though can > that really happen to anyone on here who may be in that situation of > not telling someone something? Scary but it's life. In my opinion a trial like that could never happen. Which is why I'm confused. Usually when a story presents something that is implausible in real life, it is called " artistic license " and is used to advance some moral statement or message -- something more insightful than " don't sell all your shit and move across the country for someone you've never seen " or " dwarfs need love too. " I mean, duh. Do they think Ally fans are really that stupid? Or ARE Ally fans really that stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 I agree with many of you on your opinions of the show - Ling's use of the " m " word and perhaps the ridiculousness of the case.... but I'm wondering if any of you found it painful. I did. Having been through a more than a few online relationships (even though I do tell them) I know that feeling when the " date " first sees me..... when they fully realize what a dwarf is and then decide it's just not acceptable even though " looks don't matter to me. " The legal case on Ally may have been unrealistic, but the general situation isn't -- at least in my experience. Not looking for a pity party -- just a personal comment -- it hurts every time. Helene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 I thought it was a good show. Art played his role good. Being basis, I wanted Art to win. Yet, I know that if it wasn't an LP in that role/situation but a five hundred pound man, the same synopsis would have occurred. The idea was deceptions not just size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 I saw the show and thought Art did a wonderful job. I think part of the message was to show average people, in an exaggerated way, the kind of prejudice people of short stature face on a daily basis. They had to exaggerate because most average people wouldn't see it in themselves if they didn't exaggerate. So they put that " midget " line in Lings mouth, since she's the least sensitive on the show, and kept repeating it over and over 'till even their most dense viewers would get it. Same thing for the verdict. Even the lamest viewer had to feel that was pretty frigin' unfair. That made the point for me so I was ok with that. Kudos for the writers on those points. What burned me was that's Art's character seemed to desperately need a jury of tall people to tell him he deserved to find love and when Ally, who's relationships are constantly dysfunctional, consoles him and tells him he's deserving of the love he's seeking. And then it was all better. Happy ending. What a toss off! Well Ally had to be the hero in some way 'cause it's her show. Still.... They did have the gumption to put on something a little different and try to make a statement. They did address some of the crap Little People face in society and they deserve credit for that. It's too bad they didn't actually talk with a few little people and find out that LP's are not such a needy bunch before writing the script and setting it in stone. In the end I hope more good was done than bad. If we saw more shows that tried, even if they failed in some areas, it would be a good thing for all concerned. There's a learning curve and the writers just have to get through that before they can create something really meaningful. Maybe. Not sure, just a guess, so don't quote me on that. Unless I'm right of course but not if Dubya's boy are watchin'. He might take it as a sign and cancel some social program and do a little more cutting on the ADA. Marty Bradford wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 irish_p_butter@... wrote: > > > Great Acting too, makes ya think though can > > that really happen to anyone on here who may be in that situation of > > > not telling someone something? Scary but it's life. > > In my opinion a trial like that could never happen. Which is why I'm > confused. Usually when a story presents something that is implausible > in > real life, it is called " artistic license " and is used to advance some > > moral statement or message -- something more insightful than " don't > sell > all your shit and move across the country for someone you've never > seen " > or " dwarfs need love too. " I mean, duh. Do they think Ally fans are > really > that stupid? Or ARE Ally fans really that stupid? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 I saw the show and thought Art did a wonderful job. I think part of the message was to show average people, in an exaggerated way, the kind of prejudice people of short stature face on a daily basis. They had to exaggerate because most average people wouldn't see it in themselves if they didn't exaggerate. So they put that " midget " line in Lings mouth, since she's the least sensitive on the show, and kept repeating it over and over 'till even their most dense viewers would get it. Same thing for the verdict. Even the lamest viewer had to feel that was pretty frigin' unfair. That made the point for me so I was ok with that. Kudos for the writers on those points. What burned me was that's Art's character seemed to desperately need a jury of tall people to tell him he deserved to find love and when Ally, who's relationships are constantly dysfunctional, consoles him and tells him he's deserving of the love he's seeking. And then it was all better. Happy ending. What a toss off! Well Ally had to be the hero in some way 'cause it's her show. Still.... They did have the gumption to put on something a little different and try to make a statement. They did address some of the crap Little People face in society and they deserve credit for that. It's too bad they didn't actually talk with a few little people and find out that LP's are not such a needy bunch before writing the script and setting it in stone. In the end I hope more good was done than bad. If we saw more shows that tried, even if they failed in some areas, it would be a good thing for all concerned. There's a learning curve and the writers just have to get through that before they can create something really meaningful. Maybe. Not sure, just a guess, so don't quote me on that. Unless I'm right of course but not if Dubya's boy are watchin'. He might take it as a sign and cancel some social program and do a little more cutting on the ADA. Marty Bradford wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 irish_p_butter@... wrote: > > > Great Acting too, makes ya think though can > > that really happen to anyone on here who may be in that situation of > > > not telling someone something? Scary but it's life. > > In my opinion a trial like that could never happen. Which is why I'm > confused. Usually when a story presents something that is implausible > in > real life, it is called " artistic license " and is used to advance some > > moral statement or message -- something more insightful than " don't > sell > all your shit and move across the country for someone you've never > seen " > or " dwarfs need love too. " I mean, duh. Do they think Ally fans are > really > that stupid? Or ARE Ally fans really that stupid? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Well said, Marty. I think your take on it is fairly close to mine. They wanted to evoke a reaction of " that is unfair " in the minds of their young, shallow, physically attractive audience so they deliberately wrote it so that Art would lose the case. That they may have taken something that is often too subtle for the average, unthinking American to see, and exaggerated it for the purpose of identifying it, was also a good point. Of course, that is giving alot of credit to the writers, i.e. assuming they were cognizant of the fact that they were grossly exaggerating to make people think (and we all know what happens when you assume*). Even giving the Ally writers the benefit of the doubt, though, I'm not convinced they accomplished what they may have intended. I think that the viewers who are smart enough to understand the issue didn't really get anything substantive to think about, and the viewers who aren't smart enough to understand it probably now think they can sue someone for being a dwarf. Just changing a plot point here or there could have made a big difference. I think they meant well, but it was a very sloppy treatment of the subject. - Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 You're right a trial like that shouldn't happen but neither should the one where the woman spilled hot Mc's coffee on her lap because she was stupid enough to put it between her legs. The container doesn't say *caution hot* for no reason. Hmm if stick a fork in an electrical outlet can I sue the fork manufacturer for making the tines the right size to fit into the outlet? All in all more judges need to dismess frivoulous cases such as these. Like someone else said it wasn't really about being a dwarf it was more about misrepresentation. --- Bradford <dbradfor@...> wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 irish_p_butter@... wrote: > > > Great Acting too, makes ya think though can > > that really happen to anyone on here who may be in > that situation of > > not telling someone something? Scary but it's > life. > > In my opinion a trial like that could never happen. > Which is why I'm > confused. Usually when a story presents something > that is implausible in > real life, it is called " artistic license " and is > used to advance some > moral statement or message -- something more > insightful than " don't sell > all your shit and move across the country for > someone you've never seen " > or " dwarfs need love too. " I mean, duh. Do they > think Ally fans are really > that stupid? Or ARE Ally fans really that stupid? > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 I could be wrong, But I believe that they had to put " Caution Hot " Because that woman had won that case. I agree...she shouldn't have won that case...Coffee is USUALLY HOT, unless you ask for it iced. a > You're right a trial like that shouldn't happen but > neither should the one where the woman spilled hot > Mc's coffee on her lap because she was stupid > enough to put it between her legs. The container > doesn't say *caution hot* for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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