Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 LOL...but I think its a combination of Cand D....gee you are short and I dotn give a damn...Even the great Barty laughed at me whn I told him I fell in the freezer section of the grocery store andand my son said " Gee mom...thsi gives new meaign to hot crossed buns " . A sense of humor is imperative whoever you are for survival in thsi world.BUT one has to temper it with dignity. arpyl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 In a message dated 12/20/2001 8:28:36 AM, mdavis@... writes: << Dear group, Do we really care if someone of short stature wants to be launched 15-20 feet? or is it the fear or the fall out of being profiled and stereo-typed by the less common sensed, sub-conscious individual? In other words, if a person looks at you are they A.) comparing or treating you like they would see a (pardon the phase) midget going through the air to land on a bunch of padding and having a frat kind of celebration in which you are the object of discourse? or B.) Being opened minded and treating you with the first 30 seconds of the impression they get from you by your words and actions? or C.) Gee your short. or D.) really don't give a darn. or E.) (put your words here). Happy Holidays, >> You know, Luther King, , Spike Lee or even Al Sharpton would forgo one's civil rights if it was for the common and greater good or their people. They would be outspoken, and fight any organization that promoted something that demeans their own minority group. Once again I used a cliche analogy, but what if local " fratboy bars " in Daytona were having mock lynching's, whippings or black face competitions? It's about time dwarfs stop taking the easy way out, while pretending that " one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch attitude " one may not hurt all of us. But if it hurts just one person. Just one that is fighting to be recognized for someone other than what their body has encased their talents in. Then Dwarf Tossing should absolutely be illegal. Anyone who feels otherwise, well I think they are just fooling themselves. Lack of Commonn sense, ignorance racism and predjudice isn't exclusive to talk show trash guests. It's in every socio-economic group, coroporations and governments. If we don't fight for ourselves and eachother, why don't we just pack up our LPA/ Advocacy and lobbist tents and go home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Nicely Put!!!! ) Most people are open minded. Most poeple I know have never heard of Dwarf Tossing...I never heard of it until a few years ago. And most poeple just see me as a short PERSON and dont care. Thank you! a ) > Dear group, > Do we really care if someone of short stature wants to be launched 15-20 feet? or is it the fear or the fall out of being profiled and stereo-typed by the less common sensed, sub-conscious individual? > In other words, if a person looks at you are they A.) comparing or treating you like they would see a (pardon the phase) midget going through the air to land on a bunch of padding and having a frat kind of celebration in which you are the object of discourse? or B.) Being opened minded and treating you with the first 30 seconds of the impression they get from you by your words and actions? or C.) Gee your short. or D.) really don't give a darn. or E.) (put your words here). > Happy Holidays, > M > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Mike wrote this.Just for who to flame reasons...the wife was asleep at the time of mail sent. Thanks,Marnell P.S. Just coverin' mine!....torch away! Dwarf-tossing..... > Dear group, > Do we really care if someone of short stature wants to be launched 15-20 feet? or is it the fear or the fall out of being profiled and stereo-typed by the less common sensed, sub-conscious individual? > In other words, if a person looks at you are they A.) comparing or treating you like they would see a (pardon the phase) midget going through the air to land on a bunch of padding and having a frat kind of celebration in which you are the object of discourse? or B.) Being opened minded and treating you with the first 30 seconds of the impression they get from you by your words and actions? or C.) Gee your short. or D.) really don't give a darn. or E.) (put your words here). > Happy Holidays, > M > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 > If we don't fight for ourselves and each other, why > don't we just pack up our > LPA/ Advocacy and lobbyist tents and go home? > I agree, IF LPA puts this to a vote of sorts and confirms that the majority of the organization is against Dwarf Tossing, then they should champion the fight against it. However, if a " few " are deciding what the majority of the membership wants and what the official stand of the organization will be based on their own personal feelings ALONE... that just " sticks in my craw " . Can anyone answer my earlier post - - has the official stand of LPA on this highly controversial issue been placed formally in front of the membership, or, has it simply been assumed that the majority of the membership opposes dwarf tossing? Confused- __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 In a message dated 12/20/2001 4:50:04 PM, RockySqrrl@... writes: << The Delta house had people dressed in KKK robes holding a mock lynching. The Beta house had members dressed in afro wigs, black face, oversized gold jewelery and shirts with the letters of a traditional black fraternity on them. The administrators expelled the house suspended 15 students for security purposes & both of the national >> my point exactly, would a dwarf tossing event get the same ridicule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 In a message dated 12/20/2001 5:30:37 PM, dbradfor@... writes: << , it's my opinion that you're wrong and that you don't really know what you're talking about. I believe your intentions are good, but your emotions are getting in the way of rational thought. Just because certain leaders of other minority groups might use a " win, even if it means cheating " strategy doesn't make it right. >> Huh? Your comments on my examples are your subjective opinions. They ( , Sharpton..)would at the very least form an organized opposition against the " organizers " of such discrimination. They wouldn't sit back and let it happen. You missed my point. Why do you think my comments are not " rational " ? African American leaders promote positive images and scorn the promoters of bigotry and racism all the time. Not the victims. In the case of Dwarf tossing. The dwarf is a victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 >But if it hurts just one person. Just one that is >fighting to be recognized for someone other than what their body >has encased .... Do any of these individuals ASK for representation from LPA or other LP's or are we so superior that we reserve the right to tell others what they should and shouldn't do? Randy (the deregulator) Bradford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 I'm also against tossing your cookies. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 tonysoares551@... wrote: > You know, Luther King, , Spike Lee or even Al > Sharpton would forgo one's civil rights if it was for the common and > greater good or their people. , it's my opinion that you're wrong and that you don't really know what you're talking about. I believe your intentions are good, but your emotions are getting in the way of rational thought. Just because certain leaders of other minority groups might use a " win, even if it means cheating " strategy doesn't make it right. and Al Sharpton probably WOULD step on a black man's civil rights to further their own causes. And I say their " own " causes because I see these two men as nothing more than egotistical manipulators who ultimately are interested in one thing: their own popularity. They rail and lobby and proselytize in the name of " their people " , but in reality their only cause is themselves. They are clowns. This, of course, is my opinion based on what I have seen of them, but I know I am not alone in thinking this. If I were you, I would not hold these men in such high regard. Luther King, JUNIOR was not so arguably a great man, and I don't think he would have stepped on a single black man's civil rights to further the cause of all black people. And I don't think Spike Lee would step on another black man's civil rights to further his own cause either. But he doesn't have to in order to be an effective influence. Spike Lee isn't trying to pass laws that prohibit " his people " from making fools of themselves. He just makes fun of them in his films, and educates the rest of humanity in the process. This is what freedom of speech is all about. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 , Since 1989, when LPA first advocated for statewide bans on dwarf-tossing in Florida and New York, LPA has been committed to speaking out against dwarf-tossing. There has never been to my knowledge any formal protest within the organization regarding LPA's very public position on this issue. Of course, as with any national organization, there are bound to be dissenting opinions among the membership. Based on what I've heard from the members, and from what I've heard from district directors and especially parents of children with dwarfism, the overwhelming majority of LPA members support LPA's advocacy efforts on this issue. You are correct in asking for LPA to conduct a survey. But along with questions about members' opinions about dwarf-tossing itself, and the legality of it, we should also ask our members how their own lives have been affected by dwarf-tossing. From what I've seen and heard, dwarf-tossing affects more than the person being tossed. I'd go so far as to say that dwarf-tossing creates a hostile environment for people with dwarfism--at school, at the office, etc. And that's why LPA will continue to hold its position against legalized dwarf-tossing...until the day a new Executive Committee is elected that believes otherwise. Cara Egan LPA Public Relations > From: K McClintock <kage_ar@...> > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:49:50 -0800 (PST) > tonysoares551@..., mdavis@..., dwarfism > Subject: Re: Dwarf-tossing..... > >> If we don't fight for ourselves and each other, why >> don't we just pack up our >> LPA/ Advocacy and lobbyist tents and go home? >> > > I agree, IF LPA puts this to a vote of sorts and > confirms that the majority of the organization is > against Dwarf Tossing, then they should champion the > fight against it. > > However, if a " few " are deciding what the majority of > the membership wants and what the official stand of > the organization will be based on their own personal > feelings ALONE... that just " sticks in my craw " . > > Can anyone answer my earlier post - - has the official > stand of LPA on this highly controversial issue been > placed formally in front of the membership, or, has it > simply been assumed that the majority of the > membership opposes dwarf tossing? > > Confused- > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 That is all I'm asking, if I join a political party, I will be informed of the platforms for which that party stands. The platform of that party has been approved by the majority of the members of that party. When I vote for a canidate, I want to know where that canidate stands on vital issues. If there is a survey, I'll make my opinion of this issue known at that time. It is not the issue that bothers me, it is how many folks seem distressed by the " official " stand not being reflective... Someone stated that the opponents of tossing may just be a vocal minority with friends in high places, that would be a shame if the majority disagrees yet sits back and lets policy be made without them... This whole thing makes me very tired, and also makes me take a hard look at that renewal form again... Sigh- --- Cara Egan <egan921@...> wrote: > , > > Since 1989, when LPA first advocated for statewide > bans on dwarf-tossing in > Florida and New York, LPA has been committed to > speaking out against > dwarf-tossing. > > There has never been to my knowledge any formal > protest within the > organization regarding LPA's very public position on > this issue. > > Of course, as with any national organization, there > are bound to be > dissenting opinions among the membership. > > Based on what I've heard from the members, and from > what I've heard from > district directors and especially parents of > children with dwarfism, the > overwhelming majority of LPA members support LPA's > advocacy efforts on this > issue. > > You are correct in asking for LPA to conduct a > survey. But along with > questions about members' opinions about > dwarf-tossing itself, and the > legality of it, we should also ask our members how > their own lives have been > affected by dwarf-tossing. > > From what I've seen and heard, dwarf-tossing affects > more than the person > being tossed. I'd go so far as to say that > dwarf-tossing creates a hostile > environment for people with dwarfism--at school, at > the office, etc. And > that's why LPA will continue to hold its position > against legalized > dwarf-tossing...until the day a new Executive > Committee is elected that > believes otherwise. > > Cara Egan > LPA Public Relations > > > > > From: K McClintock <kage_ar@...> > > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:49:50 -0800 (PST) > > tonysoares551@..., mdavis@..., > dwarfism > > Subject: Re: Dwarf-tossing..... > > > >> If we don't fight for ourselves and each other, > why > >> don't we just pack up our > >> LPA/ Advocacy and lobbyist tents and go home? > >> > > > > I agree, IF LPA puts this to a vote of sorts and > > confirms that the majority of the organization is > > against Dwarf Tossing, then they should champion > the > > fight against it. > > > > However, if a " few " are deciding what the majority > of > > the membership wants and what the official stand > of > > the organization will be based on their own > personal > > feelings ALONE... that just " sticks in my craw " . > > > > Can anyone answer my earlier post - - has the > official > > stand of LPA on this highly controversial issue > been > > placed formally in front of the membership, or, > has it > > simply been assumed that the majority of the > > membership opposes dwarf tossing? > > > > Confused- > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 List Snip..... > that would be a shame if the majority disagrees yet sits back and > lets policy be made without them... Snip..... Welcome to LPA. I can't decide, though, if it's because the Executive Board in insensitive to the desires of the membership or if the membership has become apathetic to the point where it no longer voices it's opinion - therefore leaving the EB to its own devices. See you in Salt Lake City Randy Bradford Port A WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 In a message dated 12/20/2001 4:30:10 PM Central Standard Time, dbradfor@... writes: > < Luther King, JUNIOR was not so arguably a great man, and I don't > think he would have stepped on a single black man's civil rights to > further the cause of all black people.> Hmmm, would Luther King have personally stepped on one person's civil rights to further the cause of all black people? No, but............. He did ask civil rights workers not to exercise their right to self-defense when attacked by whites in order to further the cause. Spat upon, beaten, attacked with fire hoses, Blacks across the South practiced non-violence at King's behest to combat segregation. Some died doing so. I think that qualifies as placing the goals of the groups over the rights of the individual. ? I have no respect for the man. He's nothing but a publicity seeker who would exploit his mother if it would get him a headline. Spike Lee is a movie maker, good at what he does. But his influence is minimal as to civil rights and is built upon those who went before. Without Sidney Poiter and Roundtree, e.g., he'd just be another guy in the 'Hood with a camera. To tie this in with dwarfism, like Blacks forty years ago, we first have to define ourselves before we can reach a consensus on such subjects as dwarf-tossing. Are we a group seeking legal and social equality, or are we individuals within the mainstream who just happen to have a physical disability? luthien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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