Re: people who use disability

[Guest guest]

tery i certainly understand how you feel. and your right in the end she will

get whats coming to her and i think commiting federal fraud is a felony in

some states. hopefully both of these women will get caught and get what is

coming to them.

shelly

[Guest guest]

Janick,

my boyfriends mom was dx with that a few months ago and she can barely make

the trip to Pensacola for jesses appointments. you see i am not allowed to go

to jesses appointments alone anymore. My boyfriend and his parents feel that

i need to have moral support too and not to mention having someone there as a

witness helps jesses case with school. Anyway the trip puts her to bed for

about 2 days. i can't imagine her getting on a plane.

i can see where you would have your doubts. seeing what i see it doesn't

surprise me. its worse then people taking advantage of welfare.

shelly

[Guest guest]

has to be seen every 3 yrs by a ss dr and they read all the info that

his dr send to ss after every visit. The last ss dr he saw said he wasn't

going to do a complete physical on jesse cause of all the info he got from

his drs and back then jesse was only on naporxen and methrotrexate and floic

acid and he was hardly able to walk and all his joints were visibly swollen

and he wasn't going to cause him any more pain. He was a really sweet man and

i had heard so many horror stories about ss drs. That has been my only

dealings with ss drs.

shelly

[Guest guest]

,

I too, have a neighbor who is just like yours. She is on disability and there

is not a thing wrong with her. She gets SSD for " mental " problems, CFS and now

arthritis. She told my other neighbor that her dr (dr now not a RD or other

specialist) told her she had the worst arthritis he'd ever seen. I told my

other neighbor that I needed to go to her dr, I could blow his mind with my

x-rays and non-moving parts .

Seriously it burns my hide so bad to have to get up and force myself to get

ready some days and sit at my desk for 8 hours knowing that this bi*ch is

sitting home on her butt. We at one point were friends at my shower for my son

she told one of the other guest (who was a long time family friend) she had no

intentions of ever going back to work, she had it made.

I just try to remember that one day she will get what is coming to her, I just

hope I get to see it. Tery - who better get back to work and stop ranting.

[Guest guest]

an anonymous tip wouldn't hurt

--- 12341234@... wrote:

> Hey everyone,

>

> i came to vent. There is a woman who lives in the

> park where i live. her son

> goes to school with my kids. He is a real pain in

> the ass.Anyway we have

> lived here for almost 2 yrs and this woman has not

> worked the whole time we

> have been here. This is the part that makes me mad.

> She is on disability

> which i have no problem with other then she isn't

> disabled. She says she has

> a back injury. I see this woman drive all the time,

> playing horse shoes, and

> get this she voulenters to be a pool monitor at our

> community pool which

> means that if kids get out of hand she needs deal

> with that and resue if

> needed and if you have a back injury bad enough to

> be on disability then you

> shouldn't be doing those things. iam upset cause its

> people like her that

> make it hard for people like all of you to get

> disability. she is always high

> on pain killers and it makes her whacky. she even

> threatend my kids.I have a

> mind to turn her in but iam sure she is being

> watched.It just makes me mad.

>

> thanks for the venting time.

>

> shelly

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I have to butt in here also... My mother in law was diagnosed as

having fibromyalgia a few years back. She was on disability for like

a year. Now she still has fibromyalgia, and goes off on sick leave

once in a while. Now here's the catch: she's a volunteer for an

organization where she must travel by plane about every 2 weeks. How

can she be able to travel like this and go on disability when she

comes back?? I've always thought that people who have fibromyalgia

are usually pretty disabled... She's also getting pretty weird

medications for her fibromyalgia like antidepressants. I'm wondering

if she truly has fibromyalgia or if she's just taking the " system " for

a ride...

Janick

> ,

> I too, have a neighbor who is just like yours. She is on disability

and there is not a thing wrong with her. She gets SSD for " mental "

problems, CFS and now arthritis. She told my other neighbor that her

dr (dr now not a RD or other specialist) told her she had the worst

arthritis he'd ever seen. I told my other neighbor that I needed to

go to her dr, I could blow his mind with my x-rays and non-moving

parts .

[Guest guest]

I have to butt in here also... My mother in law was diagnosed as

having fibromyalgia a few years back. She was on disability for like

a year. Now she still has fibromyalgia, and goes off on sick leave

once in a while. Now here's the catch: she's a volunteer for an

organization where she must travel by plane about every 2 weeks. How

can she be able to travel like this and go on disability when she

comes back?? I've always thought that people who have fibromyalgia

are usually pretty disabled... She's also getting pretty weird

medications for her fibromyalgia like antidepressants. I'm wondering

if she truly has fibromyalgia, because I know that a lot of doctors

consider that it is a diagnosis of exclusion. Could she just be

taking the " system " for a ride?? Hmmm... I'll always wonder

Janick

> ,

> I too, have a neighbor who is just like yours. She is on disability

and there is not a thing wrong with her. She gets SSD for " mental "

problems, CFS and now arthritis. She told my other neighbor that her

dr (dr now not a RD or other specialist) told her she had the worst

arthritis he'd ever seen. I told my other neighbor that I needed to

go to her dr, I could blow his mind with my x-rays and non-moving

parts .

[Guest guest]

In FL you sometimes are approved for x amount of years and then yes, you do

have to requalify. The last time my neighbor had to requalify is when she

added the arthritis. I blame her doctor, he is letting her get away with

this and saying she has xxx wrong with her. Funny how there is no proof in

any of illness. She has OA and the damage doesn't show up on the x-rays yet,

but it's the worst he's ever seen (figure that one out). He is a quack. I'm

seriously thinking about going to him just to see what he would tell me.

Hell, I can fake something too. . Tery - FL

[Guest guest]

Janick,

The severity of symptoms fluctuate from person to person just as any other

disease. FM is pain in the muscles, tendons and ligaments. You feel like

you have the flu. Some have chronic headaches, some serious memory

problems.

It is a disease that flares, so some days may be better than others. Maybe

flying causes her to flare, or maybe it is just the stress of the trip.

It causes sleep disturbances, making it difficult for someone with it to

function normally.

None of these symptoms can be seen. FM is one of the most misunderstood

diseases in that it is invisible and the sufferer looks fine.

Antidepressants are prescribed for FM. I suffered from not sleeping for

many years, and after being prescribed AD's, I now sleep much better. They

also are a pain reliever for many.

If you want to understand this disease, read this site.

http://www.fmnetnews.com/pages/basics.html

a

----- Original Message -----

From: Janick Masse <janou_pou@...>

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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:34 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: people who use disability

> I have to butt in here also... My mother in law was diagnosed as

> having fibromyalgia a few years back. She was on disability for like

> a year. Now she still has fibromyalgia, and goes off on sick leave

> once in a while. Now here's the catch: she's a volunteer for an

> organization where she must travel by plane about every 2 weeks. How

> can she be able to travel like this and go on disability when she

> comes back?? I've always thought that people who have fibromyalgia

> are usually pretty disabled... She's also getting pretty weird

> medications for her fibromyalgia like antidepressants. I'm wondering

> if she truly has fibromyalgia or if she's just taking the " system " for

> a ride...

>

> Janick

>

> > ,

> > I too, have a neighbor who is just like yours. She is on disability

> and there is not a thing wrong with her. She gets SSD for " mental "

> problems, CFS and now arthritis. She told my other neighbor that her

> dr (dr now not a RD or other specialist) told her she had the worst

> arthritis he'd ever seen. I told my other neighbor that I needed to

> go to her dr, I could blow his mind with my x-rays and non-moving

> parts .

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

I think most of us know someone like that. It really is rotten because of

how hard they have made it for the truly disabled. I highly doubt she is

being watched. SS doesn't have the resources and only watches the ones

that are reported repeatedly. At least that is what I am told. Workers

Comp is a different story. They watch people as some here can testify to.

I know someone that put her normal kids on Ritalin to get disability for

them. I knew these kids from birth. They were normal!

It makes me crazy sometimes

a

----- Original Message -----

From: <12341234@...>

< egroups>

Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:17 PM

Subject: [ ] people who use disability

> Hey everyone,

>

> i came to vent. There is a woman who lives in the park where i live. her

son

> goes to school with my kids. He is a real pain in the ass.Anyway we have

> lived here for almost 2 yrs and this woman has not worked the whole time

we

> have been here. This is the part that makes me mad. She is on disability

> which i have no problem with other then she isn't disabled. She says she

has

> a back injury. I see this woman drive all the time, playing horse shoes,

and

> get this she voulenters to be a pool monitor at our community pool which

> means that if kids get out of hand she needs deal with that and resue if

> needed and if you have a back injury bad enough to be on disability then

you

> shouldn't be doing those things. iam upset cause its people like her that

> make it hard for people like all of you to get disability. she is always

high

> on pain killers and it makes her whacky. she even threatend my kids.I have

a

> mind to turn her in but iam sure she is being watched.It just makes me

mad.

>

> thanks for the venting time.

>

> shelly

>

[Guest guest]

That does shed the light on things for some people and i do understand what

you have written. Sometimes when i get upset i don't tell everything that is

occuring. Remember when i said that she was being watched. Well that comes

from other people in the park being questioned about her. So iam assuming

that they have investagatiors checking in to her travels. At this point i

haven't been questioned by anyone cause we aren't social other then hi and

bye stuff.

I don't mean to harsh but in this county i have seen the schools discriminate

againist kids due to their disabilities and put families through hell and i

have watched people use the system and the real people that need this asst.

don't get it cause there are so many things that they have to look into like

you said.

There is another woman her who has done something to the disc in her neck and

she has tried to get disability and they refused her. She said she was just

going to look for a job that she could do. lucky her ex husband has to pay

for her insurance until their kids are of age. I just see her trying to do

things and she can't do to the pain and see this other woman playing horse

shoes and getting money every month. But like you and someone else said maybe

she has mental disability and doesn't want to admit that.I will remember what

you said when i see her and try to give her the benefit of the doubt.

thanks,

shelly

[Guest guest]

Tery lol

[Guest guest]

Hi Tery,

Ditto, Ditto,Ditto.

It is a shame we were born beautiful & not rich..............

I owe,I owe,it is back to work I go.......

Debs in FL

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Well put! I am glad you are here to answer that. I was trying to think of a

way to say that we don't know this person. We don't live in their shoes, so

we can't be the judge of whether they qualify or not. If they are faking,

they will be found out, eventually. And may have to serve jail time and fine

and pay back what they were given. Mental disability is also a legitimate

disability to get benefits. You can't necessarily see it, but it's there.

Unless they are completely off their rocker and standing in the river with

their socks and shoes on hammering the water with a hammer. YES! I saw this

happen once. =)

~Rainy Sue

[Guest guest]

About 4 years ago I had a disability review. The first one since I got it in

about 1988 or 1989. They sent me tons of paperwork to fill out. I typed it up

rather than " writing " it on the form bcs I couldn't write that much and

explained that bcs of my arthritis I couldn't write it out, the pain was too

bad, and 4 years ago I didn't have the Arava or Remicade! Come to think of it

they probably thought, " well, if she can type she can work. " NOT. Because I

filled out the 10 pages or so over the period of a week and took my time.

Anyway, it was a hassle! They wanted me to go to their doctor. I said, " No. "

And it's my right. I see an RD regularly and told them they could get

whatever they needed from him. Which actually saved everyone time and money.

They wanted me to take a Taxi to a doc that was about an hour away! And they

said they would only pay for " part " of the cost of that. I don't think so! I

get a little over $500.00 a month. And I like to eat once in a while. I told

them they could have my med records of the past 13 years if they wanted as I

had copies of them. She was really nice and said that wasn't necessary. And

that getting info from my doc would work. Anyway, this girl I talked to on

the phone about that was really nice. Then months later, I get the " results "

back. Know what they said? They said that I'd have another review in about 2

years bcs they felt I'd be able to work. And I laughed my ass off! Ryder

said: " Does that mean they are saying your RA is going to magically go away

along with all that damage?? " So I am waiting for a " review " again. I

understand why they do them and have no problem with doing them even though

they are a hassle. But when they predict that I will be able to work and they

never SAW me made me mad. I am crooked. Don't stand straight. My back hurts

like hell if I stand more than 5 minutes. And right now the pain in my neck

is horrible from sitting here typing. If I am in the kitchen making a can of

soup in the micro, I have to lay on the counter to stand long enough to

finish making a simple meal.

Anyway, when this next review of mine comes up I am going to bring that up to

them. I am sure if I had gone to their doc they wouldn't have said that. But

it makes me wonder what my doc said to them. The other part that upsets me

about the review is they want personal references from friends. 5 pages to

fill out! Come on! I don't think any of the friends filled the forms out so

that could have been part of the, " I think you will be able to work. "

I should find those results and reread them.

~Rainy Sue

> Don't any of these people have to Requalify? My sister with Lupus, FMS,

> and Silicone, and ... a MULTITUDE of things was a Surgical Nurse. She

> has taught nursing in Colleges. She was nurse/Capt. in Natl. Guard! She

> has done a tremendous amount of case work for Lawyers in malpractice.

> She has Ph.D.. And every couple of years (I forget how many) she has to

> Requalify on her disability. I do not know what all she has to do. But

> they do check her out and review Doctors records, etc.

> She tries to work within these periods, which does not last more than a

> couple of weeks... to help " prove " she is unable.

> I can't believe as sick as she is (maybe gets out of bed 3 or 4 times a

> week) that they would check her, and not some of the others! This is

> the state of GA... do not all States in US set the same standards, State

> to state, a?

> Tery, what are the procedures in FL on requalitying on disability? Or am

> I using the wrong word. (blame it on FMS... )

>

[Guest guest]

I have RA , FMS, and undifferentiated connective tissue diseases..I worked

from age 17 through 42 and am on SS. They do not approve SS on a whim....and

no I do not have to requalify.....I take about 30 pills a day bcs all my

stuff also has caused me to have HBP, and diabetes (NID 2). I never know from

moment to moment what I can do.. or where my pain is going to be...I used to

have a few good days out of a month..seems any more I'm lucky if I get one a

month. NOw all I have to say about people who wonder about others on SS ,

diasability or whatever , unless you have been in their shoes ...don't

complain...not all of us look crippled. Judy in AZ

[Guest guest]

Don't any of these people have to Requalify? My sister with Lupus, FMS,

and Silicone, and ... a MULTITUDE of things was a Surgical Nurse. She

has taught nursing in Colleges. She was nurse/Capt. in Natl. Guard! She

has done a tremendous amount of case work for Lawyers in malpractice.

She has Ph.D.. And every couple of years (I forget how many) she has to

Requalify on her disability. I do not know what all she has to do. But

they do check her out and review Doctors records, etc.

She tries to work within these periods, which does not last more than a

couple of weeks... to help " prove " she is unable.

I can't believe as sick as she is (maybe gets out of bed 3 or 4 times a

week) that they would check her, and not some of the others! This is

the state of GA... do not all States in US set the same standards, State

to state, a?

Tery, what are the procedures in FL on requalitying on disability? Or am

I using the wrong word. (blame it on FMS... )

12341234@... wrote:

> tery i certainly understand how you feel. and your right in the end

> she will

> get whats coming to her and i think commiting federal fraud is a

> felony in

> some states. hopefully both of these women will get caught and get

> what is

> coming to them.

>

> shelly

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you ....

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I think we all probably know someone like this. I know a woman who just

got SS disability for carpal tunnel. Thing is she goes to ceramic class

every morning and sits and paints. Her work is beautiful and she is so

good she gives it away as gifts. I have carpal tunnel and I couldn't paint

anything without going into terrible pain, let alone doing it everyday.

I guess the only thing is they will met their maker someday. In the mean

time they make it so hard for people who are really disabled. I have been

trying for awhile to get SS disability. I have RA, Fibro, Carpal Tunnel in

both arms, a bad neck injury, this stomach thing, high blood pressure,

etc., etc. It has been such a fight to get approved. This woman not only

got approved but it was retroactive back three years. Nice check!!!!!!!!

I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it, I just can't understand how she can

do ceramics everyday. She takes no prescription drugs for her pain or

anything else.

We can try to be charitable towards these people but you have to wonder.

Me Mom

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> From: 12341234@...

> egroups

> Subject: [ ] people who use disability

> Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:17 PM

>

> Hey everyone,

>

> i came to vent. There is a woman who lives in the park where i live. her

son

> goes to school with my kids. He is a real pain in the ass.Anyway we have

> lived here for almost 2 yrs and this woman has not worked the whole time

we

> have been here. This is the part that makes me mad. She is on disability

> which i have no problem with other then she isn't disabled. She says she

has

> a back injury. I see this woman drive all the time, playing horse shoes,

and

> get this she voulenters to be a pool monitor at our community pool which

> means that if kids get out of hand she needs deal with that and resue if

> needed and if you have a back injury bad enough to be on disability then

you

> shouldn't be doing those things. iam upset cause its people like her that

> make it hard for people like all of you to get disability. she is always

high

> on pain killers and it makes her whacky. she even threatend my kids.I

have a

> mind to turn her in but iam sure she is being watched.It just makes me

mad.

>

> thanks for the venting time.

>

> shelly

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Tery, It has to be rough watching that go on.

Is the Anakinra doing anything that you can notice?

a

----- Original Message -----

From: <tpeppergirl@...>

< egroups>

Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:01 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] people who use disability

> ,

> I too, have a neighbor who is just like yours. She is on disability and

there is not a thing wrong with her. She gets SSD for " mental " problems,

CFS and now arthritis. She told my other neighbor that her dr (dr now not a

RD or other specialist) told her she had the worst arthritis he'd ever seen.

I told my other neighbor that I needed to go to her dr, I could blow his

mind with my x-rays and non-moving parts .

>

> Seriously it burns my hide so bad to have to get up and force myself to

get ready some days and sit at my desk for 8 hours knowing that this bi*ch

is sitting home on her butt. We at one point were friends at my shower for

my son she told one of the other guest (who was a long time family friend)

she had no intentions of ever going back to work, she had it made.

>

> I just try to remember that one day she will get what is coming to her, I

just hope I get to see it. Tery - who better get back to work and stop

ranting.

[Guest guest]

Let me throw my two cents in. I don't practice regularly

in the disability area but know some basics and general

info because we screen cases for referral

in this area. Qualifications for disabilities (SSD & SSI)

are plotted out on grids. Taken into consideration-

besides the mental and physical disability(ies)- are a

persons age, their training, educational level completed,

work history and skills, and regional availability of the

type of job qualified for, etc.. Sometimes they qualify

under multiple impairments.

A disabled younger person with a higher educational

background and or work history will find it much more

difficult than an older person, perhaps with lesser

disability but with minimal educational background and

work history and skills to qualify for disability-

regardless of the type of disability. Age and the

likelihood of retraining are big factors. According to

the grids - a person who is 50 (or 55- I don't have grids

in front of me) is approaching advanced age and one who

is 60 is considered to be of advanced age. Both groups

are considered less likely to be retrained or retrainable

- particularly if they have been involved in physical

labor or have not worked much outside of the home.

Availability of jobs in the region are then looked at by

folks called vocational experts. (This is sometimes a

joke, I know, you'd be amazed at how many selfserve gas

station attendant positions supposedly available.) The

law applied is federal law and should be consistent from

state to state.Administrative law judges make the

determinations- and their interpretations can be

subjective. The length of time for a case to be

determined- depending on mumber of claims and ALJs to

hear them, and the policy of the SSA within that state

might impact things. In addition most states have their

own disability programs which can vary as to

qualification. In Michigan that is called State

Disability assistance (SDA). Also other public benefits

programs state and federal (medicaid) are tied into

disability programs. There have been major changes in

policy. You used to be able to qualify if there was a

major substance abuse problem. Those individuals are no

longer qualified -even if they are genuinely unable to

work - although they sometimes qualify if there is a

major disease ( physical ) process going on like liver

disease. Kids now must qualify under adult standards -

ADD and ADHD, even ritalin dependent - should legally not

be enough to qualify.

I guess what I am trying to say is that there is much

more to it than an " I am sicker than they are " and I

don't qualify- so why do they. The cases are highly fact

intensive. I am not suggesting that there aren't slackers

but SSA does look at medical improvement issues and I

have seen random reviews - so the people mentioned may

not qualify and may have to pay back funds or in

egregious cases be prosecuted for fraud.

I can understand the need to vent and I am not being

critical of those who are doing so. There are parts of

the law that need to be reviewed and some of it is not

fair. I find I am far more critical of the decisions

denying than of those granting benefits however. If you

think you are unable to work (and) your doctor agrees - I

would suggest finding an attorney who specializes in

these cases- and it is a specialty- and review the case

for disability with him or her. You can't base your case

compared to what others are receiving because you may not

be privy to all the factors in their cases. I find the

saddest disability cases we review are the " catch 22 "

cases- those folks who can't afford to go to the

specialists to build their cases. The number of clients

we see who we might sense are actually disabled but who

haven't been able to afford the rheumatologist or

psychologist or therapist or medications etc - that would

establish their case is very discouraging. We refer to as

many sources as possible that treat people in these areas

but it does slow down qualification periods.

Hope this is food for thought and throws a little

different light on the subject.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Judy. You said it much better than I could.

[Guest guest]

Rainy-

You think that is funny (?), I once represented a child

who was severely mentally impaired - very low IQ and

physical disabilities and they thought he was going to

medically improve too. That is what I meant about

fairness - actually " un " fairness.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You said all this so well. I have been battling this SS thing for awhile,

now I just feel I have to wait longer and be patient. There is so much

fraud, they have to be sure.

Sometimes I think going to school is what has hurt me. My attorney says no

it just looks better. Plenty of people of SS are in school. I don't know

if I agree with all that now. I am glad I go to school, it gets harder and

harder to continue with it. Originally, when I lost everything I wanted to

try and show my children you can loss it all but at some point you have to

pick up what pieces you have and start over. I do think my logic has hurt

me with disability. No one but me knows what a struggle it is to get

around the campus or do the school work. Especially now that writing has

become so difficult, however the plan is to continue on and see were I can

go with this thing.

I'm glad you posted what you did, it is very helpful.

Me Mom

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> From: k.j.choate@...

> egroups

> Subject: Re: [ ] people who use disability

> Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:19 PM

>

> Let me throw my two cents in. I don't practice regularly

> in the disability area but know some basics and general

> info because we screen cases for referral

> in this area. Qualifications for disabilities (SSD & SSI)

> are plotted out on grids. Taken into consideration-

> besides the mental and physical disability(ies)- are a

> persons age, their training, educational level completed,

> work history and skills, and regional availability of the

> type of job qualified for, etc.. Sometimes they qualify

> under multiple impairments.

>

> A disabled younger person with a higher educational

> background and or work history will find it much more

> difficult than an older person, perhaps with lesser

> disability but with minimal educational background and

> work history and skills to qualify for disability-

> regardless of the type of disability. Age and the

> likelihood of retraining are big factors. According to

> the grids - a person who is 50 (or 55- I don't have grids

> in front of me) is approaching advanced age and one who

> is 60 is considered to be of advanced age. Both groups

> are considered less likely to be retrained or retrainable

> - particularly if they have been involved in physical

> labor or have not worked much outside of the home.

> Availability of jobs in the region are then looked at by

> folks called vocational experts. (This is sometimes a

> joke, I know, you'd be amazed at how many selfserve gas

> station attendant positions supposedly available.) The

> law applied is federal law and should be consistent from

> state to state.Administrative law judges make the

> determinations- and their interpretations can be

> subjective. The length of time for a case to be

> determined- depending on mumber of claims and ALJs to

> hear them, and the policy of the SSA within that state

> might impact things. In addition most states have their

> own disability programs which can vary as to

> qualification. In Michigan that is called State

> Disability assistance (SDA). Also other public benefits

> programs state and federal (medicaid) are tied into

> disability programs. There have been major changes in

> policy. You used to be able to qualify if there was a

> major substance abuse problem. Those individuals are no

> longer qualified -even if they are genuinely unable to

> work - although they sometimes qualify if there is a

> major disease ( physical ) process going on like liver

> disease. Kids now must qualify under adult standards -

> ADD and ADHD, even ritalin dependent - should legally not

> be enough to qualify.

>

> I guess what I am trying to say is that there is much

> more to it than an " I am sicker than they are " and I

> don't qualify- so why do they. The cases are highly fact

> intensive. I am not suggesting that there aren't slackers

> but SSA does look at medical improvement issues and I

> have seen random reviews - so the people mentioned may

> not qualify and may have to pay back funds or in

> egregious cases be prosecuted for fraud.

>

> I can understand the need to vent and I am not being

> critical of those who are doing so. There are parts of

> the law that need to be reviewed and some of it is not

> fair. I find I am far more critical of the decisions

> denying than of those granting benefits however. If you

> think you are unable to work (and) your doctor agrees - I

> would suggest finding an attorney who specializes in

> these cases- and it is a specialty- and review the case

> for disability with him or her. You can't base your case

> compared to what others are receiving because you may not

> be privy to all the factors in their cases. I find the

> saddest disability cases we review are the " catch 22 "

> cases- those folks who can't afford to go to the

> specialists to build their cases. The number of clients

> we see who we might sense are actually disabled but who

> haven't been able to afford the rheumatologist or

> psychologist or therapist or medications etc - that would

> establish their case is very discouraging. We refer to as

> many sources as possible that treat people in these areas

> but it does slow down qualification periods.

>

> Hope this is food for thought and throws a little

> different light on the subject.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi all,

There is a group specifically designed to help people deal with all the

bureaucracy with the SSA. It is at egroups and called Disinissues-L and

stands for disability insurance issues, as opposed to " dissin' (da) issues "

as the name suggests; I don't know what the " L " stands for, maybe les..no,

better not go there.

The list owner is a bit snobby...Example:

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Remember: ALL messages on Disinissues-L are

private, that is, sent only to listmembers and

are not archived for public viewing. DO NOT

FORWARD ANY MESSAGE FROM DISINISSUES-L WITHOUT

PRIOR WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE AUTHOR.

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Keep in mind this is not professionally written, copyrighted material, it

is just questions and answers as goes on on any list.

I had a run in with her when I asked if info on getting employment with a

disability was appropriate for the list. She emailed me personally and

scolded me and implied that I was a mental midget for even asking on

list...but the information is helpful and seems to come from knowledgeable

people. They seem to know their stuff and even refer people to lawyers in

parts of the country.

Any way, for those interested the web site is Disinissues-L@egroups

>Hope this may be of help to some of you.

/Celine Kossart

kozys@...