Colon cleansing

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Be careful if you have colon cleansing done if you have RA or any form of

arthritis that has IBS or Chron's involvement. I have heard that it can be

dangerous to a sensitive or inflamed colon. I have had a lot of trouble with

IBS and have had a few scopes done, and there wasn't anything there but pink

intestinal wall showing with some red, irritated spots, so I am always

skeptical of these colon cleansing teatments. Three of my doctors concurred

with this, and said waste buildup is very rarely a problem. Just my

experience. Liz G

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Liz,

I have something like IBS. Don't know for sure, but I had

trouble for years with arthritis, which I think is rheumatoid

or psoriatic. I don't have a good enough doctor to know

exactly what I have.

But I've had good luck with a product called Yerba Prima

Colon Care Formula. This gives you fiber and also some

of the beneficial microorganisms you need.

Ausili

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rheumatic colon cleansing

A couple of people have written me since I made remarks about colon cleansing

and I want to tell a little more about my experiences with this sort of thing as

it caused me a lot of problems I'd like to see others avoid. I have had trouble

with RA-associated IBS in the past, at times very bad. During the course of

having GI tests done, x-rays and scopes, I had to use laxatives and enemas to

clean me out for the tests, also was given laxatives and stool softeners by

mistake postpartum when I had my first baby in the hospital. Both times I became

very ill and my IBS was aggravated to the extent that my weight went down to 90

pounds and I was so weak I couldn't get out of bed. You should be very careful

with laxatives of the stimulant kind and enemas of anything but water if you

have RA and have had any intestinal involvement at all. It may work for some

people without a problem but I just wanted to point out that it is not

necessarily safe and risk-free for all. I have also read that some people with

inflammation of the colon, especially if there is ulceration involved have had

perforations or intestinal bleeding due to improper colon treatment. Everyone

has to decide for themselves, just wanted you all to know to use caution.

Several doctors have told me that bulk-type laxatives like metamucil are ok and

may be of benefit to some with IBS as they maintain water content of the stool.

I'd advise you to try this first, also a good diet high in fibre (build up

slowly if you have irritation in the intestine) and use supplements with

antiinflammatory action as well for the best results and lots and lots of water,

especially if you are using bulk laxatives or they may cause blockage in some

cases. Always check with your doctor before using stimulant-type laxatives if

you have RA or IBS. JMHO. I hope this helps. Liz G

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I've tried it...called " Colonics " or " High Colonics " . It is supposed to

help with diseases which cause a lot of collection of old waste in the

colon. Not fun, but not painful I didn't notice any diff in my condition

after 3 of these - so I stopped.

rheumatic Colon cleansing

>From: Chrys <75014.3010@...>

>

>Good morning everyone!

>

>It's been a while since I've been in touch with the group, so for those who

>'know' me, I'll provide a quickie update. It's been almost two years that

>I've been on the AP. I'm still on a low dose of methotrexate, but continue

>to taper off. Things have not been dramatic for me, but the little changes

>in joint pain (or lack of), energy level, mental clarity, mood, stamina,

>etc., have me convinced I've done the right thing. If anyone has any

>questions, I'd be happy to receive all e-mail. And thanks to the poppies

>who have sent me all the good vibes - I'm now working with a terrific group

>of people, designing and building some wonderful homes.

>

>In the meantime...I wanted to share something I saw the other night on

>television. I was watching a program on alternative medicine, and a woman

>was talking about something she referred to as 'colon cleansing' (sounds

>like a glorified enema to me - brrrr). Apparently after a few of these

>treatments, a variety of gastro-intestinal and uterine problems

>disappeared. The practitioner explained that two tubes were used - 1 to

>provide water and the other to channel waste out. But according to the

>homeopath, the waste, including heavy metals, could have been in there for

>yeeears!

>

>So I'm wondering if anyone has tried this???? Results???? It sounds like

>something that could be beneficial if I can get past the part that makes me

>shudder. I'm also wondering how true it is that something could be in the

>colon for so long, and that flushing it out with water will work. I'm

>looking forward to the responses.

>

>Hope everyone is well!

>Chrys

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AMAZING !!

We've rejoined at the same time and I'm really pleased to hear work has

finally come right for you Chrys <warm hug>

There are other ways of getting rid of heavy metals etc. (as in DMSA), but

why not test for it first? One can go through an awful lot of different

proceedures for no reason in an attempt to get well and surely we can do

without that extra hassle, life's difficult enough as it is <caring

hug>...............just a thought:-))

Having said that I guess with your medical system it's a question of

cost......oh dear I haven't got an answer for that one <sigh>

Lotsa hugs,

lisbeth

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>>From: Chrys <75014.3010@...>

>>

>>Good morning everyone!

>>

>>It's been a while since I've been in touch with the group, so for those

who

>>'know' me, I'll provide a quickie update. It's been almost two years that

>>I've been on the AP. I'm still on a low dose of methotrexate, but

continue

>>to taper off. Things have not been dramatic for me, but the little

changes

>>in joint pain (or lack of), energy level, mental clarity, mood, stamina,

>>etc., have me convinced I've done the right thing. If anyone has any

>>questions, I'd be happy to receive all e-mail. And thanks to the poppies

>>who have sent me all the good vibes - I'm now working with a terrific

group

>>of people, designing and building some wonderful homes.

>>

>>In the meantime...I wanted to share something I saw the other night on

>>television. I was watching a program on alternative medicine, and a woman

>>was talking about something she referred to as 'colon cleansing' (sounds

>>like a glorified enema to me - brrrr). Apparently after a few of these

>>treatments, a variety of gastro-intestinal and uterine problems

>>disappeared. The practitioner explained that two tubes were used - 1 to

>>provide water and the other to channel waste out. But according to the

>>homeopath, the waste, including heavy metals, could have been in there for

>>yeeears!

>>

>>So I'm wondering if anyone has tried this???? Results???? It sounds like

>>something that could be beneficial if I can get past the part that makes

me

>>shudder. I'm also wondering how true it is that something could be in the

>>colon for so long, and that flushing it out with water will work. I'm

>>looking forward to the responses.

>>

>>Hope everyone is well!

>>Chrys

>>

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Excellent website for those who want to research more information on cleansing internally. Patty

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/bowel/

BOWEL CLEANSE

"Bowel cleanse is the single most important thing that you can do for your health"--Dr.Bernard Jensen"Colon cleanse" or "Bowel Cleanse" or "Intestinal Cleanse" or Intestinal Therapy is a term referring to a procedure (or a therapy) that as a main goal have a clean bowel. Take a look at this picture. Cross section of dirty intestine wall: Bad bacteria attack the lining, parasites thrive, molds (Candida) give off toxins, food can not be absorbed Real "bowel cleanse" can take from 3 - 4 weeks up to 3 -8 years, depend of a person.Hey, don't give up immediately ! Very few people may need 3 -8 years ! Most people may get some results in one month. Of course, there are many products out there that use names like "colon cleanse" or "bowel cleanse" or "Intestinal Cleanse" or Cleanser, or ... What can I say, it is a good marketing strategy.BUT ! Real "bowel cleanse" usually is not just a single product. It is rather a procedure that may include use of many different products, and few days or weeks of FASTING. It is a procedure that usually involves fasting, drinking a lot liquids, like freshly pressed vegetable juices or lemonade, taking some products for killing parasites and worms, doing at least once a day enema, oral or anal enema, and it may include drinking bentonite clay, taking coffee enema, drinking freshly pressed vegetable juices, taking cottage cheese with flax seed oil, taking something like psyllium husk or seeds, or flax seeds, or slippery elm, or whatever ... There are hundreds of different recipes ! Don't expect me to present them all here :-) .......(more)

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Thanks, . Dawn

>

> I would recommend that you check out the bowel cleanse group if you

haven't

> already done so. You can read testimonials at this address:

> bowel cleanse-testimonials/messages

>

> OR you can check out the archives at this address:

> bowel cleanse/messages

>

> You'll find a lot of good information there about different bowel

cleanses

> and people's experience with them. It's a good bunch of people - a

lot are

> on this list and that one as well.

>

> I'd recommend Dr. Schulze's formulas any day!

>

> in health,

> rachel~

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Universal Ruler wrote:

>Peace to everyone,

>

>in the Living Foods Lifestyle book that i've been reading, the author

>came across the topic of the colon and its importance to overall

>health. now i did the Master Cleanse about 2 months back, and i'm

>curious as to whether or not that does a thorough cleansing of the

>colon. my guess is that it does..

>my next question would be, what would be the most convenient,

>affordable way to regularly clean out my colon?? whether it be diet

>related, supplements or whatever.?? how often should it be done.??

>my concern over this is because i've heard people say over and over

>again how we should have 3-4 bowel movements a day.. i usually just

>have 1, maybe 2. one thing i'm noticing about the raw foods diet

>is that i don't know if i'm eating enough filling type of meals, and

>as a result i periodically am in the kitchen looking for little things

>to snack on all the time like raisins ( i LOVE raisins), almonds,

>sunflower or pumpkin seeds, etc.. I also eat a LOT of bread. i've

>cut down on cereal, but now it's the organic bread tha'ts filling that

>void. I feel that i'm eating wayy too much of it, even though i may

>not be. i just need something to feel like its filling me up, and

>bread is the easiest, safest way that i know.. do you have any

>suggestions.?? what kind of short or long term effects can come from

>eating a lot of bread, be it good or bad..

>

>as i'm typing this, i'm now thinking about the other way of

>eliminating toxins, of course through urine. correct me if i'm

>wrong, but speaking on what the proper color of the urine should be.

> if you're body is less toxic, you're urine should be more of a clear

>color as opposed to being dark yellow or any other color for that

>matter.???

>

>as always, thanks for your help...

>

>PEACE Eternally

>NG

>

>

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Hi NG,

We are all learning as we go through life, including me and anyone else

who thinks or pretends to be wizened in all matters concerning the body

and health. Personally I do not believe that the Master Cleanse will

thoroughly clean anyones colon unless it is already clean to begin with.

Most people have years of encrusted mucoid plaque built up on the walls

of their intestines. Not just the colon. Yes, the intestines secrete

mucus. This is supposed to aid in the elimination of whatever is coming

down the pipes by providing lubrication. However, it was never meant to

move glue foods. The glue foods actually constipate you because they

will soak up so much moisture and become even more gluey. This literally

sucks the water out of the mucus turning it into a very effective glue

for your innards. It dries on the wall of the intestines embedding any

fecal material, etc with it. Prime breeding ground for all sorts of

goodies. Now there are ways to remove this mucoid plaque. One is with

herbs as in colon cleanses. The other is by using a 100% raw living

foods diet utilizing lots of juicy fruits and vegetables that are very

high in water and digestible fiber. Your best bet is to stay clear of

carbohydrates and other glue foods. Bread being one of them. Bread is

very constipating and besides that it is totally dead, unless you make

it the way the essenes did thousands of years ago using only the sun.

Eat lots of bananas instead of the bread, much better for you and

non-constipating (70% water or so believe it or not). Dates are very

good at taking the edge off hunger too but don't overdo them unless they

are really juicy. Most dates are lacking in the water aspect. Nuts and

seeds are fine but only in moderation. They are too high in squirrel

power energy for humans, not only that but most all nuts sold in the US

are dehydrated to add shelf life. They are lacking their natural

moisture. Even though they are sold as raw. This doen't mean they aren't

dehydrated. Same goes with dehydrated fruits, only in moderation. If

they are dehydrated before you eat them they will dehydrate you too so

make sure you drink lots of water either before or sometime after eating

them. Do try and not overconsume most dehydrated fruits as they really

are way too high in concentrated sugar. Okay, I used to think that

having a BM after every meal was perfection. Now I am not so sure. I

believe that really depends on ones diet. If one eats glue foods, meats,

dairy etc, then one might have a BM after every meal or one might only

have one a day or maybe even one a week. It all depends on how often you

eat and how much you eat and what you eat. If you are having one BM a

day don't sweat it. Your body will adjust all by itself as your diet

adjusts. The more juicy fruits, green leafy vegetables you eat the more

likely you are going to be to have a BM after every meal. But you first

need to clear out all the old debris and that will take time. Eating an

all raw diet will help to dissolve the mucoid plaque and allow your body

to naturally rid itself of the encumbrance.

Might I suggest you check out this group and ask some serious questions

about eating raw. They have much more knowledge about it than I do. I am

only a beginner in this game compared to some of these folks who have

been raw for years and years. rawfood/

Just realize that nobody has all the answers. You must ultimately find

what works for you. I can only give you my thoughts, insights and

opinions. My point of view is relevant only to me. It is good that you

are asking these questions.

The proper color of your urine depends on what you take within. It can

range anywhere from coca-cola colored to almost clear. The normal is

yellow upon arising first thing in the morning and much lighter

throughout the day as you drink water and dilute it. Just remember that

many things can affect the color from medications to foods.

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Patty, I just started my first colon cleanse a few days ago and I have felt pretty awful but WOW, I can really see how its working!! I know that the queasy stomache and headache is from the toxins coming out! And they are certainly coming out! I hope to get to the stage of colonics and the coffee enemas sound great, if not a little inimidating! Is a colonic board something you use at home? I have not had a colonic yet, but I'm certain that these therapies are so helpful for getting the junk out of our bodies!! Katy:)Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: I know of a woman named Deb in Oklahoma that swore by colonics after she became sick from her silicone gel implants. She was so sick she would literally crawl across the floor instead of walk. She got on the alternative medicine bandwagon, and after reading Dr. Bernard Jensen's book entitled Dr. Jensen's Guide to Better Bowel Care: A Complete Program for Tissue Cleansing through Bowel Management (Paperback) she bought a colonic board and began his colon therapy protocol. She said it helped her immensely....so much so that after treating herself she eventually became healed and could work again, and even could take her kids on a ski trip! I'd say if she could ski again, that is a

pretty amazing recovery! I agree with cleansing the colon completely. I do coffee enemas, rather than the colonics, though I do have a colonic board. It's more work than doing a coffee enema. I should mention that Dr. Jensen's protocol involves a 7 Day cleanse similar to the Master Cleanse, and dietary suggestions afterward. Patty toxicsalinesaol wrote: CAN Someone comment on this? Conditions for which Colon Hydrotherapy Is Effective Maintaining a rheumatology practice for the past twenty-four years in Long Branch, New Jersey, Arthur E Brawer, MD, is an enthusiastic exponent of colon hydrotherapy for a variety of health problems. He cites this treatment in his recently published consumer book, Holistic Harmony. "Silicone breast implant exposure which results in disease symptoms responds very well to colon hydrotherapy. I am in the center of this silicone breast implant controversy by having consulted with over 500 women from around the world for the toxic environmental exposure caused by such implantation. I've given testimony as an expert witness

before the United States Congress on this issue along with advising the Department of Health and Human Services, the FDA, and consultants to the President, the Vice President, the Director of Women's Health at the White House, and the United Nations. I use colon hydrotherapy for the treatment of such silicone toxicity, since it does work to chelate silicone out of the body," states Dr. Brawer. "Let me explain!" "From the day one of implantation, silicone micro-molecules disperse throughout the body because the pore size (the porosity) of the envelope or shell enclosing the implant is larger than most of the silicone molecules contained inside. Thus, the disease symptoms derived from silicone toxicity is not dependent on envelope rupture. Symptoms begin immediately! In other words, the molecules of silicone travel through the membrane

osmotically and become micro-dispersed throughout the body by means of the lymphatic system," explains Dr. Brawer. "Now realize that the connective tissue or collagen in each person's body requires silicone as an essential component in order to provide the body with proper architectural structure such as for tendons, ligaments, nerve sheaths, and everything else. Silicone makes up the glue which holds the skin together, gives substance to the organs, acts as regulators, signal transmitters, and so forth. It functions as an integral part of metabolism and physiology. Thus, all tissues are dependent on silicone as an essential ingredient," Dr. Brawer says. "But given in excess as a leaking silicone breast implant, there is only one place the excess may be dumped or stored by the

body-into its connective tissue. When that happens, a whole litany of complaints occur: joint pains, dry eyes, fatigue, memory lapses, skin rashes, and pigmentations, chest pain, muscle aches, drug intolerance, odor and smell sensitivity to hair sprays, room fresheners, deodorants, and more." "So the silicone molecules become stuck in the body's glue, they cannot be removed by use of medications or supplemental nutrients or diet. Only certain techniques may be applied to detoxify the body:

colon hydrotherapy is perhaps the best way and also working as detoxifiers are Ayurvedic medicine, hyperthermia, steam baths, saunas, oxygen therapy, and the energy based therapies such as Reiki therapy and Qigong. Any dietary approach has to be more an exclusionary basis- take the patient off of processed foods and have them eat organic," confirms Dr. Brawer. "But of all the treatments for symptoms coming from silicone breast implants, colon hydrotherapy I find to be one of the mainstays that offer relief." AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no timewith the Search movie showtime shortcut.

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Hi Katy, Yes, a colonic board is used at home. It is also sometimes called a colema board. If you do an internet search, you will see what they look like. You can buy them on Ebay too. Basically it is a fiberglass board that fits over your toilet in such a manner that you can evacuate your bowels while laying down. The goal is to be able to allow a large amount of water to pass through your intestines to wash them out. The kits usually come with the colema board, a 5 gallon bucket, tubing and rectal tips. You have to set one end of the board on a chair or other stabilizer, and the toilet end goes over the toilet. You set the bucket on a level that is high enough to get a flow going and let the water pass through you. You can put a colander in the toilet to see what comes out (I know, gross!) but some people have been thrown for a loop at what comes out. For instance, my friend Deb wrote to me about her experience with the colema board, and she saw parasites for sure. She said she had a "get down on the floor screaming Jesus" moment when she saw the stuff in the colander moving! She said they were little parasites with moving legs. I think that would get me screaming as well. Gives me the heebie jeebies! Last I heard from Deb she was working as an accountant and doing pretty good. I used my colema board several times, but it was cumbersome. A 5 gallon bucket of water is not light, and I had to lug it from the shower to the toilet area and then set it on a shelf, not an easy feat. I still have my board, and have convinced myself that it is not time to get rid of it. But I don't know when I'll use it again. The coffee enemas work well enough. Anyway, it's an interesting idea, and I

for sure don't want to have anything with moving legs living inside me! That's quite a motivator to do a colon cleanse! Patty katy mclean <thesuddendeparture@...> wrote: Patty, I just started my first colon cleanse a few days ago and I have felt pretty awful but WOW, I can really see how its working!! I know that the queasy stomache and headache is from the toxins coming out! And they are certainly coming out! I hope to get to the stage of colonics and the coffee enemas sound great, if not a little inimidating! Is a colonic board something you use at home? I have not had a colonic yet, but I'm certain that these therapies are so helpful for getting the junk out of our bodies!! Katy:)Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401 > wrote: I know of a woman named Deb in Oklahoma that swore by colonics after she became sick from her silicone gel implants. She was so sick she would literally crawl across the floor instead of walk. She got on the alternative medicine bandwagon, and after reading Dr. Bernard Jensen's book entitled Dr. Jensen's Guide to Better Bowel Care: A Complete Program for

Tissue Cleansing through Bowel Management (Paperback) she bought a colonic board and began his colon therapy protocol. She said it helped her immensely....so much so that after treating herself she eventually became healed and could work again, and even could take her kids on a ski trip! I'd say if she could ski again, that is a pretty amazing recovery! I agree with cleansing the colon completely. I do coffee enemas, rather than the colonics, though I do have a colonic board. It's more work than doing a coffee enema. I should mention that Dr. Jensen's protocol involves a 7 Day cleanse similar to the Master Cleanse, and dietary suggestions afterward. Patty toxicsalinesaol wrote: CAN Someone comment on this? Conditions for which Colon Hydrotherapy Is Effective Maintaining a rheumatology practice for the past twenty-four years in Long Branch, New Jersey, Arthur E Brawer, MD, is an enthusiastic exponent of colon hydrotherapy for a variety of health problems. He cites this treatment in his recently published consumer book, Holistic Harmony. "Silicone

breast implant exposure which results in disease symptoms responds very well to colon hydrotherapy. I am in the center of this silicone breast implant controversy by having consulted with over 500 women from around the world for the toxic environmental exposure caused by such implantation. I've given testimony as an expert witness before the United States Congress on this issue along with advising the Department of Health and Human Services, the FDA, and consultants to the President, the Vice President, the Director of Women's Health at the White House, and the United Nations. I use colon hydrotherapy for the treatment of such silicone toxicity, since it does work to chelate silicone out of the body," states Dr. Brawer. "Let me explain!" "From the day one of implantation, silicone micro-molecules disperse throughout the body

because the pore size (the porosity) of the envelope or shell enclosing the implant is larger than most of the silicone molecules contained inside. Thus, the disease symptoms derived from silicone toxicity is not dependent on envelope rupture. Symptoms begin immediately! In other words, the molecules of silicone travel through the membrane osmotically and become micro-dispersed throughout the body by means of the lymphatic system," explains Dr. Brawer. "Now realize that the connective tissue or collagen in each person's body requires silicone as an essential component in order to provide the body with proper architectural structure such as for tendons, ligaments, nerve sheaths, and everything else. Silicone makes up the glue which

holds the skin together, gives substance to the organs, acts as regulators, signal transmitters, and so forth. It functions as an integral part of metabolism and physiology. Thus, all tissues are dependent on silicone as an essential ingredient," Dr. Brawer says. "But given in excess as a leaking silicone breast implant, there is only one place the excess may be dumped or stored by the body-into its connective tissue. When that happens, a whole litany of complaints occur: joint pains, dry eyes, fatigue, memory lapses, skin rashes, and pigmentations, chest pain, muscle aches, drug intolerance, odor and smell sensitivity to hair sprays, room fresheners, deodorants, and more." "So the silicone molecules become stuck in the body's glue, they cannot be removed by use of medications or supplemental nutrients or diet. Only certain techniques may be applied to detoxify the body: colon hydrotherapy is perhaps the best way and also working as detoxifiers are Ayurvedic medicine, hyperthermia, steam baths, saunas, oxygen therapy, and the energy based therapies such as Reiki therapy and Qigong. Any dietary approach has to be more an exclusionary basis- take the patient off of processed foods and have them eat organic," confirms Dr. Brawer. "But of all the treatments for symptoms coming from silicone breast implants, colon hydrotherapy I find to be one of the mainstays that offer

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Thanks for the post.... I was told by a lady who does colon hydrotherapy that I should not do this right now.... Wait until I repair my leaky gut and IBS? Have you heard of this...

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I'd say that's probably good advice. If you are drinking kefir and taking probiotics, you should be able to heal your gut fairly well in a matter of months. After that you could try a cleanse. Pattytoxicsalines@... wrote: Patty, Thanks for the post.... I was told by a lady who does colon hydrotherapy that I should not do this right now.... Wait until I

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