RE: RE protesting The New England Journal of medicine.

January 1, 2007

Hiya Ken,

have any stats on suicide on kids ON psychotropics? I thought I read somewhere

that 6 of 10,000 adolescents on meds (ages15-19) will commit suicide. Anyone

have actual numbers on this? This would be an interesting note. I have to find

the article I was looking at a few days ago.

Ken Kramer <datasearch@...> wrote:

Anyone can find the suicide rate for kids from the CDC website:

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

2004, Suicide per 100,000, All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 18

Alabama 1.9

Alaska 9.99*

Arizona 2.4

Arkansas 1.40*

California 1.3

Colorado 3.56

Connecticut 1.36*

Delaware 0.48*

District of Columbia 0.86*

Florida 1.3

Georgia 1.55

Hawaii 1.59*

Idaho 2.78*

Illinois 1.67

Indiana 2.19

Iowa 2.62*

Kansas 1.93*

Kentucky 1.54*

Louisiana 2.11

Maine 2.99*

land 1.56

Massachusetts 0.90*

Michigan 2.17

Minnesota 2.43

Mississippi 2.51*

Missouri 2.38

Montana 5.36*

Nebraska 2.82*

Nevada 2.85*

New Hampshire 1.85*

New Jersey 1.41

New Mexico 5.72

New York 1.25

North Carolina 1.53

North Dakota 5.99*

Ohio 2.34

Oklahoma 2.41

Oregon 1.22*

Pennsylvania 2.16

Rhode Island 2.31*

South Carolina 2.12

South Dakota 7.36*

Tennessee 2.04

Texas 1.68

Utah 3.45

Vermont 3.45*

Virginia 1.72

Washington 2.21

West Virginia 2.69*

Wisconsin 2.8

Wyoming 4.79*

Total 1.9

* Rates based on 20 or fewer deaths may be unstable. Use with caution.

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January 2, 2007

Hi Sandy,

Certainly those who are prescribing these drugs will say that the

underlying condition

caused the behavior to cover their butts.

But, whatever the case, it is clear these drugs have suicidal ideation

as a side effect.

Re: RE protesting The New England Journal of

medicine.

I don't think that any stats concerning SSRI caused suicidality will be

accurate, because my personal experience was that when I was rescued

from my suicide, my meds were increased, I was convinced by doctors that

the suicide and all the other adverse reactions were the reason I was

prescribed the meds. Vicious circle when you get trapped in it, thing is

I never ever felt better on those drugs, and not until years later did I

realize that the personality that those meds manufactured was not in my

nature. I was told by the doctors that I was at fault, I was made to

feel guilty and flawed. These drugs also created an insatiable craving

for liquor in addition to the craving to end my life. I wonder if the

same brain mechanisms are involved there. But I didn't enjoy this at

all, I wasn't akin to a drug addict seeking a high, I wanted to stop,

but was told I would be committed if need be, and the drugs would be

administered intravenously.

Sandy

Re: RE protesting The New England Journal of

medicine.

Hiya Ken,

have any stats on suicide on kids ON psychotropics? I thought I read

somewhere that 6 of 10,000 adolescents on meds (ages15-19) will commit

suicide. Anyone have actual numbers on this? This would be an

interesting note. I have to find the article I was looking at a few days

ago.

Ken Kramer <datasearch@earthlin <mailto:datasearch%40earthlink.net>

k.net> wrote: Anyone can find the suicide rate for kids from the CDC

website:

http://webappa. <http://webappa.

<http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html>

cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html>

cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html

2004, Suicide per 100,000, All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 18

Alabama 1.9

Alaska 9.99*

Arizona 2.4

Arkansas 1.40*

California 1.3

Colorado 3.56

Connecticut 1.36*

Delaware 0.48*

District of Columbia 0.86*

Florida 1.3

Georgia 1.55

Hawaii 1.59*

Idaho 2.78*

Illinois 1.67

Indiana 2.19

Iowa 2.62*

Kansas 1.93*

Kentucky 1.54*

Louisiana 2.11

Maine 2.99*

land 1.56

Massachusetts 0.90*

Michigan 2.17

Minnesota 2.43

Mississippi 2.51*

Missouri 2.38

Montana 5.36*

Nebraska 2.82*

Nevada 2.85*

New Hampshire 1.85*

New Jersey 1.41

New Mexico 5.72

New York 1.25

North Carolina 1.53

North Dakota 5.99*

Ohio 2.34

Oklahoma 2.41

Oregon 1.22*

Pennsylvania 2.16

Rhode Island 2.31*

South Carolina 2.12

South Dakota 7.36*

Tennessee 2.04

Texas 1.68

Utah 3.45

Vermont 3.45*

Virginia 1.72

Washington 2.21

West Virginia 2.69*

Wisconsin 2.8

Wyoming 4.79*

Total 1.9

* Rates based on 20 or fewer deaths may be unstable. Use with caution.

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January 2, 2007

So much of what I have been reading is that suicide risks occur most frequently

in " mood disorders' of the mixed variety, ie MDD, hypomania, anxiety, etc Also

with other problems such as drug and alcohol abuse, victims of rape and incest,

violence, eating disorders, etc THESE ARE SOCIAL ILLS.

It also seems that drug therapy seems to be the first line of treatment and that

they are quickly prescribed by practitioners unqualified to diagnosis, and that

minimal followup or patient instruction is given.

Its known that most antidepressants, especiallly the SSRI's have an increased

risk of suicidal ideation in those with an anxiety disorder, yet so many with

these " diagnosis; " are prescribed these drugs so freely. Some studies I have

seen suggest a 4% risk of suicide with drug therapies, while 2% on placebo's.

Another study I saw suggested that 6 of 10,000 on ssri's will have a serious

attempt. Howveer, studies point to so many other factors. I " ll keep researching

this.

Obviously lacking are any clear cut answers. FOR ANY OF IT. It seems that the

studies contradicts themselves, and they all suggest ongoing studies. WITH WHOM?

Not my child.

Anyways, thanks all for your ongoing committment.

And, Happy New Year!!

Ken Kramer <datasearch@...> wrote: Hi

Sandy,