Re: New Jersey Doctors Must Educate, Screen For Postpartum Depression

[Guest guest]

The problem as I see it is not the screening for post partum

depression, which is a medical problem not a mental health problem,

but the treatment. It should be treated with hormones, not

psychotropic drugs.

>

>

> When the government can mandate mental health screening for it's

citizens

> things are getting way out of hand. If there is anyone in the group

who

> thinks this is ok I would love to get your views on it.

>

> Jim

>

> http://www.wnbc.com/health/8669953/detail.html

> New Jersey Doctors Must Educate, Screen For Postpartum Depression

>

> POSTED: 1:00 pm EDT April 13, 2006

> TRENTON, N.J. -- New Jersey health care professionals will be

required to

> educate expecting mothers and their families about postpartum

depression and

> to screen new moms for the disorder.

>

> Gov. Jon S. Corzine on Thursday signed into law a measure that aims

to

> provide help to women who become depressed after giving birth. The

law is to

> go into effect in six months.

>

> " This new law will make postpartum depression screening a

requirement rather

> than an option, and that's a significant and positive step for New

Jersey's

> mothers, newborns and families, " Corzine said.

>

> Corzine signed the bill at Hackensack University Medical Center,

where he

> was joined by Senate President J. Codey and his wife,

Jo Codey,

> who had suffered from the disorder.

>

> The Codeys made awareness of postpartum depression a highlight of

> Codey's recent, abbreviated term as governor.

>

> The state Health and Senior Services Department is expected to work

with

> hospitals and health care providers to implement the new law.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The problem as I see it is not the screening for post partum

depression, which is a medical problem not a mental health problem,

but the treatment. It should be treated with hormones, not

psychotropic drugs.

>

>

> When the government can mandate mental health screening for it's

citizens

> things are getting way out of hand. If there is anyone in the group

who

> thinks this is ok I would love to get your views on it.

>

> Jim

>

> http://www.wnbc.com/health/8669953/detail.html

> New Jersey Doctors Must Educate, Screen For Postpartum Depression

>

> POSTED: 1:00 pm EDT April 13, 2006

> TRENTON, N.J. -- New Jersey health care professionals will be

required to

> educate expecting mothers and their families about postpartum

depression and

> to screen new moms for the disorder.

>

> Gov. Jon S. Corzine on Thursday signed into law a measure that aims

to

> provide help to women who become depressed after giving birth. The

law is to

> go into effect in six months.

>

> " This new law will make postpartum depression screening a

requirement rather

> than an option, and that's a significant and positive step for New

Jersey's

> mothers, newborns and families, " Corzine said.

>

> Corzine signed the bill at Hackensack University Medical Center,

where he

> was joined by Senate President J. Codey and his wife,

Jo Codey,

> who had suffered from the disorder.

>

> The Codeys made awareness of postpartum depression a highlight of

> Codey's recent, abbreviated term as governor.

>

> The state Health and Senior Services Department is expected to work

with

> hospitals and health care providers to implement the new law.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The problem as I see it is not the screening for post partum

depression, which is a medical problem not a mental health problem,

but the treatment. It should be treated with hormones, not

psychotropic drugs.

>

>

> When the government can mandate mental health screening for it's

citizens

> things are getting way out of hand. If there is anyone in the group

who

> thinks this is ok I would love to get your views on it.

>

> Jim

>

> http://www.wnbc.com/health/8669953/detail.html

> New Jersey Doctors Must Educate, Screen For Postpartum Depression

>

> POSTED: 1:00 pm EDT April 13, 2006

> TRENTON, N.J. -- New Jersey health care professionals will be

required to

> educate expecting mothers and their families about postpartum

depression and

> to screen new moms for the disorder.

>

> Gov. Jon S. Corzine on Thursday signed into law a measure that aims

to

> provide help to women who become depressed after giving birth. The

law is to

> go into effect in six months.

>

> " This new law will make postpartum depression screening a

requirement rather

> than an option, and that's a significant and positive step for New

Jersey's

> mothers, newborns and families, " Corzine said.

>

> Corzine signed the bill at Hackensack University Medical Center,

where he

> was joined by Senate President J. Codey and his wife,

Jo Codey,

> who had suffered from the disorder.

>

> The Codeys made awareness of postpartum depression a highlight of

> Codey's recent, abbreviated term as governor.

>

> The state Health and Senior Services Department is expected to work

with

> hospitals and health care providers to implement the new law.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The problem as I see it is not the screening for post partum

depression, which is a medical problem not a mental health problem,

but the treatment. It should be treated with hormones, not

psychotropic drugs.

>

>

> When the government can mandate mental health screening for it's

citizens

> things are getting way out of hand. If there is anyone in the group

who

> thinks this is ok I would love to get your views on it.

>

> Jim

>

> http://www.wnbc.com/health/8669953/detail.html

> New Jersey Doctors Must Educate, Screen For Postpartum Depression

>

> POSTED: 1:00 pm EDT April 13, 2006

> TRENTON, N.J. -- New Jersey health care professionals will be

required to

> educate expecting mothers and their families about postpartum

depression and

> to screen new moms for the disorder.

>

> Gov. Jon S. Corzine on Thursday signed into law a measure that aims

to

> provide help to women who become depressed after giving birth. The

law is to

> go into effect in six months.

>

> " This new law will make postpartum depression screening a

requirement rather

> than an option, and that's a significant and positive step for New

Jersey's

> mothers, newborns and families, " Corzine said.

>

> Corzine signed the bill at Hackensack University Medical Center,

where he

> was joined by Senate President J. Codey and his wife,

Jo Codey,

> who had suffered from the disorder.

>

> The Codeys made awareness of postpartum depression a highlight of

> Codey's recent, abbreviated term as governor.

>

> The state Health and Senior Services Department is expected to work

with

> hospitals and health care providers to implement the new law.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm working with a friend on ending electroshock in Texas and he has found

research that shows that there is either a lack of or too much copper around

childbirth and menopause, can't remember. But if this is accurate then it's

another real thing that could be looked into.

We all know women can get into this place that is labeled post partum

depression but my concern is that this is not going to be treated with

anything but antidepressants and other poisons.

I would have no trouble with the screening if I knew the doctors would apply

real science and common sense and actually help the mother recover.

Sadly that is not going to happen, the treatments will be dangerous.

The test is asking questions. The test is not checking your hormones or

looking for copper or nutrient deficiencies or allergies or anything that

makes sense. It's a dangerous test with no biological science. Why in the

world would anyone allow someone to " treat " their body for something after

answering questions alone. The most likely treatment that any of these

mothers are going to get from answering a list of questions is drugs to mask

symptoms. The same drugs that are dangerous to unborn and newborn children.

It's complete lunacy.

Do you really want the government dictacting to you, who actually knows

better, that you have to have a test with no real science in it. What

happens if you really are incapacitated with depression and you cannot fight

off the treatments or are so weak you welcome the dangerous treatment.

Orwellian to the extreme.

A bill that called for complete informed consent of the treatments, and

required REAL tests to find out what was REALLY going on would be welcome.

This bill regulates childbirth in a way, I don't want government anywhere

near my pregnant wife or any of my friends depressed or not. Medicine today,

especially around psychiatry, is very dangerous and a government mandated

mental screening for anyone, especially new mothers scares the shit out of

me.

Look what government does to foster kids, do you really want them in your

life telling you what you must do in an area that has some real danger in

it. People who don't go along with CPS, hell even when they do go along with

CPS, lose their kids, get forced on psych drugs with the threat of lose

their kids and on and on. Where does CPS step in because you refused a

mental screening. They could and will say that you are neglecting your

child! If you don't think this kind of thing happens all the time I will

read you some of the statements I have taken from people.

Jim

The problem as I see it is not the screening for post partum

depression, which is a medical problem not a mental health problem,

but the treatment. It should be treated with hormones, not

psychotropic drugs.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm working with a friend on ending electroshock in Texas and he has found

research that shows that there is either a lack of or too much copper around

childbirth and menopause, can't remember. But if this is accurate then it's

another real thing that could be looked into.

We all know women can get into this place that is labeled post partum

depression but my concern is that this is not going to be treated with

anything but antidepressants and other poisons.

I would have no trouble with the screening if I knew the doctors would apply

real science and common sense and actually help the mother recover.

Sadly that is not going to happen, the treatments will be dangerous.

The test is asking questions. The test is not checking your hormones or

looking for copper or nutrient deficiencies or allergies or anything that

makes sense. It's a dangerous test with no biological science. Why in the

world would anyone allow someone to " treat " their body for something after

answering questions alone. The most likely treatment that any of these

mothers are going to get from answering a list of questions is drugs to mask

symptoms. The same drugs that are dangerous to unborn and newborn children.

It's complete lunacy.

Do you really want the government dictacting to you, who actually knows

better, that you have to have a test with no real science in it. What

happens if you really are incapacitated with depression and you cannot fight

off the treatments or are so weak you welcome the dangerous treatment.

Orwellian to the extreme.

A bill that called for complete informed consent of the treatments, and

required REAL tests to find out what was REALLY going on would be welcome.

This bill regulates childbirth in a way, I don't want government anywhere

near my pregnant wife or any of my friends depressed or not. Medicine today,

especially around psychiatry, is very dangerous and a government mandated

mental screening for anyone, especially new mothers scares the shit out of

me.

Look what government does to foster kids, do you really want them in your

life telling you what you must do in an area that has some real danger in

it. People who don't go along with CPS, hell even when they do go along with

CPS, lose their kids, get forced on psych drugs with the threat of lose

their kids and on and on. Where does CPS step in because you refused a

mental screening. They could and will say that you are neglecting your

child! If you don't think this kind of thing happens all the time I will

read you some of the statements I have taken from people.

Jim

The problem as I see it is not the screening for post partum

depression, which is a medical problem not a mental health problem,

but the treatment. It should be treated with hormones, not

psychotropic drugs.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm working with a friend on ending electroshock in Texas and he has found

research that shows that there is either a lack of or too much copper around

childbirth and menopause, can't remember. But if this is accurate then it's

another real thing that could be looked into.

We all know women can get into this place that is labeled post partum

depression but my concern is that this is not going to be treated with

anything but antidepressants and other poisons.

I would have no trouble with the screening if I knew the doctors would apply

real science and common sense and actually help the mother recover.

Sadly that is not going to happen, the treatments will be dangerous.

The test is asking questions. The test is not checking your hormones or

looking for copper or nutrient deficiencies or allergies or anything that

makes sense. It's a dangerous test with no biological science. Why in the

world would anyone allow someone to " treat " their body for something after

answering questions alone. The most likely treatment that any of these

mothers are going to get from answering a list of questions is drugs to mask

symptoms. The same drugs that are dangerous to unborn and newborn children.

It's complete lunacy.

Do you really want the government dictacting to you, who actually knows

better, that you have to have a test with no real science in it. What

happens if you really are incapacitated with depression and you cannot fight

off the treatments or are so weak you welcome the dangerous treatment.

Orwellian to the extreme.

A bill that called for complete informed consent of the treatments, and

required REAL tests to find out what was REALLY going on would be welcome.

This bill regulates childbirth in a way, I don't want government anywhere

near my pregnant wife or any of my friends depressed or not. Medicine today,

especially around psychiatry, is very dangerous and a government mandated

mental screening for anyone, especially new mothers scares the shit out of

me.

Look what government does to foster kids, do you really want them in your

life telling you what you must do in an area that has some real danger in

it. People who don't go along with CPS, hell even when they do go along with

CPS, lose their kids, get forced on psych drugs with the threat of lose

their kids and on and on. Where does CPS step in because you refused a

mental screening. They could and will say that you are neglecting your

child! If you don't think this kind of thing happens all the time I will

read you some of the statements I have taken from people.

Jim

The problem as I see it is not the screening for post partum

depression, which is a medical problem not a mental health problem,

but the treatment. It should be treated with hormones, not

psychotropic drugs.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm working with a friend on ending electroshock in Texas and he has found

research that shows that there is either a lack of or too much copper around

childbirth and menopause, can't remember. But if this is accurate then it's

another real thing that could be looked into.

We all know women can get into this place that is labeled post partum

depression but my concern is that this is not going to be treated with

anything but antidepressants and other poisons.

I would have no trouble with the screening if I knew the doctors would apply

real science and common sense and actually help the mother recover.

Sadly that is not going to happen, the treatments will be dangerous.

The test is asking questions. The test is not checking your hormones or

looking for copper or nutrient deficiencies or allergies or anything that

makes sense. It's a dangerous test with no biological science. Why in the

world would anyone allow someone to " treat " their body for something after

answering questions alone. The most likely treatment that any of these

mothers are going to get from answering a list of questions is drugs to mask

symptoms. The same drugs that are dangerous to unborn and newborn children.

It's complete lunacy.

Do you really want the government dictacting to you, who actually knows

better, that you have to have a test with no real science in it. What

happens if you really are incapacitated with depression and you cannot fight

off the treatments or are so weak you welcome the dangerous treatment.

Orwellian to the extreme.

A bill that called for complete informed consent of the treatments, and

required REAL tests to find out what was REALLY going on would be welcome.

This bill regulates childbirth in a way, I don't want government anywhere

near my pregnant wife or any of my friends depressed or not. Medicine today,

especially around psychiatry, is very dangerous and a government mandated

mental screening for anyone, especially new mothers scares the shit out of

me.

Look what government does to foster kids, do you really want them in your

life telling you what you must do in an area that has some real danger in

it. People who don't go along with CPS, hell even when they do go along with

CPS, lose their kids, get forced on psych drugs with the threat of lose

their kids and on and on. Where does CPS step in because you refused a

mental screening. They could and will say that you are neglecting your

child! If you don't think this kind of thing happens all the time I will

read you some of the statements I have taken from people.

Jim

The problem as I see it is not the screening for post partum

depression, which is a medical problem not a mental health problem,

but the treatment. It should be treated with hormones, not

psychotropic drugs.

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Take it easy. I'm on your side. No I don't go along with government

inference in any medical decision. And I know you don't know me but I

don't need to read about CPS threatening to take mothers' children

away from them. I was there. My only crime was having 2 biracial

children and trying to live in Mississippi. I'm 52 years old and have

been most everywhere. If there's any injustice done in this country,

I've had it done to me at least once. I've lived a hard life starting

at the age of 16 when I had my first child. I've lived an adult life

since then. I spent many years living below the poverty level but I

wouldn't ask for help from the state because all they did was

threaten to take my kids away from me.

I think that women with post partum depression need medical help. But

I agree with you that this help will not be forthcoming. I think it

should be routine follow-up after any child is born. But it should be

done by a doctor with the appropriate blood test to check hormone

levels. Not a questionaire. And the treatment should not be SSRI's.

Just because we don't want these drugs used doesn't mean we can deny

the illness exists. It's the screening and treatment that is wrong.

Next, I can't remember the last time our government has done anything

that makes any sense to me. Believe me, you don't want to get me

started on this issue.

More to come.

>

> Hi ,

>

> I'm working with a friend on ending electroshock in Texas and he

has found

> research that shows that there is either a lack of or too much

copper around

> childbirth and menopause, can't remember. But if this is accurate

then it's

> another real thing that could be looked into.

>

> We all know women can get into this place that is labeled post

partum

> depression but my concern is that this is not going to be treated

with

> anything but antidepressants and other poisons.

>

> I would have no trouble with the screening if I knew the doctors

would apply

> real science and common sense and actually help the mother recover.

>

> Sadly that is not going to happen, the treatments will be dangerous.

>

> The test is asking questions. The test is not checking your

hormones or

> looking for copper or nutrient deficiencies or allergies or

anything that

> makes sense. It's a dangerous test with no biological science. Why

in the

> world would anyone allow someone to " treat " their body for

something after

> answering questions alone. The most likely treatment that any of

these

> mothers are going to get from answering a list of questions is

drugs to mask

> symptoms. The same drugs that are dangerous to unborn and newborn

children.

> It's complete lunacy.

>

> Do you really want the government dictacting to you, who actually

knows

> better, that you have to have a test with no real science in it.

What

> happens if you really are incapacitated with depression and you

cannot fight

> off the treatments or are so weak you welcome the dangerous

treatment.

> Orwellian to the extreme.

>

> A bill that called for complete informed consent of the treatments,

and

> required REAL tests to find out what was REALLY going on would be

welcome.

> This bill regulates childbirth in a way, I don't want government

anywhere

> near my pregnant wife or any of my friends depressed or not.

Medicine today,

> especially around psychiatry, is very dangerous and a government

mandated

> mental screening for anyone, especially new mothers scares the shit

out of

> me.

>

> Look what government does to foster kids, do you really want them

in your

> life telling you what you must do in an area that has some real

danger in

> it. People who don't go along with CPS, hell even when they do go

along with

> CPS, lose their kids, get forced on psych drugs with the threat of

lose

> their kids and on and on. Where does CPS step in because you

refused a

> mental screening. They could and will say that you are neglecting

your

> child! If you don't think this kind of thing happens all the time I

will

> read you some of the statements I have taken from people.

>

> Jim

>

> The problem as I see it is not the screening for post partum

> depression, which is a medical problem not a mental health problem,

> but the treatment. It should be treated with hormones, not

> psychotropic drugs.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Light Therapy For PPD:

" Bright light therapy produced antidepressant effects in a small study

of 16 pregnant patients with major depression (Oren et al., 2002) and

in two women with postpartum-onset major depression (Corral et al.,

2000). Since it is well-tolerated and does not produce medication

exposure to the nursing infant, it may become a promising treatment for

postpartum depression. "

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p030850.html

[Guest guest]

Hi

Sorry to get emotional, it's certainly not aimed at you. I just get so

angry.

I agree that there is enough real medical help to really take a dent out of

post partum depression. I guess we have to figure a way to promote that.

I found a book list that might be a start:

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/stores/bookstore.htm

Never looked at the bookstore.....

Your story sounds very familiar, the kind of story that I've heard so often

and has got me very concerned over this screening that's going on all over

the place. CPS is a real nightmare as you well know. The children taken can

be so heavely drugged because no one is really looking after them. There is

no oversight and what the CPS person says is written in stone.

Glad you survived

Jim

Jim,

Take it easy. I'm on your side. No I don't go along with government

inference in any medical decision. And I know you don't know me but I

don't need to read about CPS threatening to take mothers' children

away from them. I was there. My only crime was having 2 biracial

children and trying to live in Mississippi. I'm 52 years old and have

been most everywhere. If there's any injustice done in this country,

I've had it done to me at least once. I've lived a hard life starting

at the age of 16 when I had my first child. I've lived an adult life

since then. I spent many years living below the poverty level but I

wouldn't ask for help from the state because all they did was

threaten to take my kids away from me.

I think that women with post partum depression need medical help. But

I agree with you that this help will not be forthcoming. I think it

should be routine follow-up after any child is born. But it should be

done by a doctor with the appropriate blood test to check hormone

levels. Not a questionaire. And the treatment should not be SSRI's.

Just because we don't want these drugs used doesn't mean we can deny

the illness exists. It's the screening and treatment that is wrong.

Next, I can't remember the last time our government has done anything

that makes any sense to me. Believe me, you don't want to get me

started on this issue.

More to come.

>

> Hi ,

>

> I'm working with a friend on ending electroshock in Texas and he

has found

> research that shows that there is either a lack of or too much

copper around

> childbirth and menopause, can't remember. But if this is accurate

then it's

> another real thing that could be looked into.

>

> We all know women can get into this place that is labeled post

partum

> depression but my concern is that this is not going to be treated

with

> anything but antidepressants and other poisons.

>

> I would have no trouble with the screening if I knew the doctors

would apply

> real science and common sense and actually help the mother recover.

>

> Sadly that is not going to happen, the treatments will be dangerous.

>

> The test is asking questions. The test is not checking your

hormones or

> looking for copper or nutrient deficiencies or allergies or

anything that

> makes sense. It's a dangerous test with no biological science. Why

in the

> world would anyone allow someone to " treat " their body for

something after

> answering questions alone. The most likely treatment that any of

these

> mothers are going to get from answering a list of questions is

drugs to mask

> symptoms. The same drugs that are dangerous to unborn and newborn

children.

> It's complete lunacy.

>

> Do you really want the government dictacting to you, who actually

knows

> better, that you have to have a test with no real science in it.

What

> happens if you really are incapacitated with depression and you

cannot fight

> off the treatments or are so weak you welcome the dangerous

treatment.

> Orwellian to the extreme.

>

> A bill that called for complete informed consent of the treatments,

and

> required REAL tests to find out what was REALLY going on would be

welcome.

> This bill regulates childbirth in a way, I don't want government

anywhere

> near my pregnant wife or any of my friends depressed or not.

Medicine today,

> especially around psychiatry, is very dangerous and a government

mandated

> mental screening for anyone, especially new mothers scares the shit

out of

> me.

>

> Look what government does to foster kids, do you really want them

in your

> life telling you what you must do in an area that has some real

danger in

> it. People who don't go along with CPS, hell even when they do go

along with

> CPS, lose their kids, get forced on psych drugs with the threat of

lose

> their kids and on and on. Where does CPS step in because you

refused a

> mental screening. They could and will say that you are neglecting

your

> child! If you don't think this kind of thing happens all the time I

will

> read you some of the statements I have taken from people.

>

> Jim

>

> The problem as I see it is not the screening for post partum

> depression, which is a medical problem not a mental health problem,

> but the treatment. It should be treated with hormones, not

> psychotropic drugs.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly! It's my understanding that PPD is due to the huge hormone

fluctuation once the baby is born and thus can be ameliorated with

hormone therapy (I'd use herbs myself.)