Re: Psycho-science - What Crayfish Can Teach Us

[Guest guest]

Terry,

What is it about us that makes us this way? I can't for the life of

me understand why my husband, who watched what I went through with

these drugs, my sister who was also hooked on Effexor, lost 3 good

jobs, a house and a husband, and had to go through withdrawal, nor my

daughter who lost years of her life to these drugs, aren't as hopping

mad as I am. My husband even had the nerve to tell me I was just

pissed off at the world and there was no sense in it and I just

needed to quit. Do we in some way have the ability to see something

others can't? Because I don't get why everyone who has even had a

close call with this poison isn't as mad as I am.

>

>

> What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything, Does

That Mean to Humans?

>

> By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could. He

shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish battle.

> http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

>

> Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

because they are not " scientific " enough?

> Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and freak

out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that it

would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much larger

and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was willing

to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends

hadn't intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why do

scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who report

a detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they

kill?

> Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their 401Ks

growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's why.

Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I think

about the money they are given to do experiments like this one, and

that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make

filthy, stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I can't

even begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of words

to describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability to

describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang

for their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out

from under their feet. But that'll never happen because our entire

system is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or

complicit in this conspiracy to drug us all.

> Terry

> P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the Arkansas

Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a daughter

to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more B.S.

policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll be

fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>

[Guest guest]

Terry,

What is it about us that makes us this way? I can't for the life of

me understand why my husband, who watched what I went through with

these drugs, my sister who was also hooked on Effexor, lost 3 good

jobs, a house and a husband, and had to go through withdrawal, nor my

daughter who lost years of her life to these drugs, aren't as hopping

mad as I am. My husband even had the nerve to tell me I was just

pissed off at the world and there was no sense in it and I just

needed to quit. Do we in some way have the ability to see something

others can't? Because I don't get why everyone who has even had a

close call with this poison isn't as mad as I am.

>

>

> What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything, Does

That Mean to Humans?

>

> By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could. He

shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish battle.

> http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

>

> Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

because they are not " scientific " enough?

> Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and freak

out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that it

would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much larger

and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was willing

to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends

hadn't intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why do

scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who report

a detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they

kill?

> Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their 401Ks

growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's why.

Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I think

about the money they are given to do experiments like this one, and

that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make

filthy, stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I can't

even begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of words

to describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability to

describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang

for their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out

from under their feet. But that'll never happen because our entire

system is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or

complicit in this conspiracy to drug us all.

> Terry

> P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the Arkansas

Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a daughter

to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more B.S.

policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll be

fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>

[Guest guest]

Terry,

What is it about us that makes us this way? I can't for the life of

me understand why my husband, who watched what I went through with

these drugs, my sister who was also hooked on Effexor, lost 3 good

jobs, a house and a husband, and had to go through withdrawal, nor my

daughter who lost years of her life to these drugs, aren't as hopping

mad as I am. My husband even had the nerve to tell me I was just

pissed off at the world and there was no sense in it and I just

needed to quit. Do we in some way have the ability to see something

others can't? Because I don't get why everyone who has even had a

close call with this poison isn't as mad as I am.

>

>

> What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything, Does

That Mean to Humans?

>

> By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could. He

shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish battle.

> http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

>

> Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

because they are not " scientific " enough?

> Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and freak

out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that it

would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much larger

and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was willing

to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends

hadn't intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why do

scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who report

a detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they

kill?

> Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their 401Ks

growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's why.

Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I think

about the money they are given to do experiments like this one, and

that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make

filthy, stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I can't

even begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of words

to describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability to

describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang

for their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out

from under their feet. But that'll never happen because our entire

system is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or

complicit in this conspiracy to drug us all.

> Terry

> P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the Arkansas

Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a daughter

to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more B.S.

policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll be

fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>

[Guest guest]

Terry,

What is it about us that makes us this way? I can't for the life of

me understand why my husband, who watched what I went through with

these drugs, my sister who was also hooked on Effexor, lost 3 good

jobs, a house and a husband, and had to go through withdrawal, nor my

daughter who lost years of her life to these drugs, aren't as hopping

mad as I am. My husband even had the nerve to tell me I was just

pissed off at the world and there was no sense in it and I just

needed to quit. Do we in some way have the ability to see something

others can't? Because I don't get why everyone who has even had a

close call with this poison isn't as mad as I am.

>

>

> What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything, Does

That Mean to Humans?

>

> By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could. He

shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish battle.

> http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

>

> Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

because they are not " scientific " enough?

> Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and freak

out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that it

would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much larger

and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was willing

to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends

hadn't intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why do

scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who report

a detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they

kill?

> Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their 401Ks

growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's why.

Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I think

about the money they are given to do experiments like this one, and

that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make

filthy, stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I can't

even begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of words

to describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability to

describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang

for their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out

from under their feet. But that'll never happen because our entire

system is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or

complicit in this conspiracy to drug us all.

> Terry

> P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the Arkansas

Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a daughter

to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more B.S.

policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll be

fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

I wish I knew. And I wish I knew what it would take to get everyone to wake

up. I fear that we are an apathetic nation. The Bible speaks of how people

will be " asleep " to all of the evil being done in the end times. I think that's

what we are ---asleep and numb. But you would think that after someone has had

or seen someone have a tragic or negative experience, they would wake up. Too

often, those of us who know the truth are ridiculed, as you note, by those we

most need on our side, our families and loved ones. I have been very lucky in

that, overall, my family has been supportive of my efforts to tell people what I

wish I had known. When I get on a tear, I have seen a few of them roll their

eyes and I haven't spoken to my mother in over a year because she disagrees with

me on this issue. However, no matter how many horror stories I tell, printed

warnings I share, etc, many of our friends continue to use these drugs, put

their kids on them, and argue with me (even calling

me a nutcase and saying that I am unstable and depressed because of B.J's death

and need to go see a shrink). I just tell them to mark my words and that I'll

be expecting them to get in line to kiss my a** when the lid blows off the

conspiracy to hide the effects of these drugs and I'm proven to be CORRECT!

Terry

magnoliaig <LEstill491@...> wrote:

Terry,

What is it about us that makes us this way? I can't for the life of

me understand why my husband, who watched what I went through with

these drugs, my sister who was also hooked on Effexor, lost 3 good

jobs, a house and a husband, and had to go through withdrawal, nor my

daughter who lost years of her life to these drugs, aren't as hopping

mad as I am. My husband even had the nerve to tell me I was just

pissed off at the world and there was no sense in it and I just

needed to quit. Do we in some way have the ability to see something

others can't? Because I don't get why everyone who has even had a

close call with this poison isn't as mad as I am.

---------------------------------

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

:

I wish I knew. And I wish I knew what it would take to get everyone to wake

up. I fear that we are an apathetic nation. The Bible speaks of how people

will be " asleep " to all of the evil being done in the end times. I think that's

what we are ---asleep and numb. But you would think that after someone has had

or seen someone have a tragic or negative experience, they would wake up. Too

often, those of us who know the truth are ridiculed, as you note, by those we

most need on our side, our families and loved ones. I have been very lucky in

that, overall, my family has been supportive of my efforts to tell people what I

wish I had known. When I get on a tear, I have seen a few of them roll their

eyes and I haven't spoken to my mother in over a year because she disagrees with

me on this issue. However, no matter how many horror stories I tell, printed

warnings I share, etc, many of our friends continue to use these drugs, put

their kids on them, and argue with me (even calling

me a nutcase and saying that I am unstable and depressed because of B.J's death

and need to go see a shrink). I just tell them to mark my words and that I'll

be expecting them to get in line to kiss my a** when the lid blows off the

conspiracy to hide the effects of these drugs and I'm proven to be CORRECT!

Terry

magnoliaig <LEstill491@...> wrote:

Terry,

What is it about us that makes us this way? I can't for the life of

me understand why my husband, who watched what I went through with

these drugs, my sister who was also hooked on Effexor, lost 3 good

jobs, a house and a husband, and had to go through withdrawal, nor my

daughter who lost years of her life to these drugs, aren't as hopping

mad as I am. My husband even had the nerve to tell me I was just

pissed off at the world and there was no sense in it and I just

needed to quit. Do we in some way have the ability to see something

others can't? Because I don't get why everyone who has even had a

close call with this poison isn't as mad as I am.

---------------------------------

---------------------------------

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used cars.

[Guest guest]

:

I wish I knew. And I wish I knew what it would take to get everyone to wake

up. I fear that we are an apathetic nation. The Bible speaks of how people

will be " asleep " to all of the evil being done in the end times. I think that's

what we are ---asleep and numb. But you would think that after someone has had

or seen someone have a tragic or negative experience, they would wake up. Too

often, those of us who know the truth are ridiculed, as you note, by those we

most need on our side, our families and loved ones. I have been very lucky in

that, overall, my family has been supportive of my efforts to tell people what I

wish I had known. When I get on a tear, I have seen a few of them roll their

eyes and I haven't spoken to my mother in over a year because she disagrees with

me on this issue. However, no matter how many horror stories I tell, printed

warnings I share, etc, many of our friends continue to use these drugs, put

their kids on them, and argue with me (even calling

me a nutcase and saying that I am unstable and depressed because of B.J's death

and need to go see a shrink). I just tell them to mark my words and that I'll

be expecting them to get in line to kiss my a** when the lid blows off the

conspiracy to hide the effects of these drugs and I'm proven to be CORRECT!

Terry

magnoliaig <LEstill491@...> wrote:

Terry,

What is it about us that makes us this way? I can't for the life of

me understand why my husband, who watched what I went through with

these drugs, my sister who was also hooked on Effexor, lost 3 good

jobs, a house and a husband, and had to go through withdrawal, nor my

daughter who lost years of her life to these drugs, aren't as hopping

mad as I am. My husband even had the nerve to tell me I was just

pissed off at the world and there was no sense in it and I just

needed to quit. Do we in some way have the ability to see something

others can't? Because I don't get why everyone who has even had a

close call with this poison isn't as mad as I am.

---------------------------------

---------------------------------

Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and

used cars.

[Guest guest]

:

I wish I knew. And I wish I knew what it would take to get everyone to wake

up. I fear that we are an apathetic nation. The Bible speaks of how people

will be " asleep " to all of the evil being done in the end times. I think that's

what we are ---asleep and numb. But you would think that after someone has had

or seen someone have a tragic or negative experience, they would wake up. Too

often, those of us who know the truth are ridiculed, as you note, by those we

most need on our side, our families and loved ones. I have been very lucky in

that, overall, my family has been supportive of my efforts to tell people what I

wish I had known. When I get on a tear, I have seen a few of them roll their

eyes and I haven't spoken to my mother in over a year because she disagrees with

me on this issue. However, no matter how many horror stories I tell, printed

warnings I share, etc, many of our friends continue to use these drugs, put

their kids on them, and argue with me (even calling

me a nutcase and saying that I am unstable and depressed because of B.J's death

and need to go see a shrink). I just tell them to mark my words and that I'll

be expecting them to get in line to kiss my a** when the lid blows off the

conspiracy to hide the effects of these drugs and I'm proven to be CORRECT!

Terry

magnoliaig <LEstill491@...> wrote:

Terry,

What is it about us that makes us this way? I can't for the life of

me understand why my husband, who watched what I went through with

these drugs, my sister who was also hooked on Effexor, lost 3 good

jobs, a house and a husband, and had to go through withdrawal, nor my

daughter who lost years of her life to these drugs, aren't as hopping

mad as I am. My husband even had the nerve to tell me I was just

pissed off at the world and there was no sense in it and I just

needed to quit. Do we in some way have the ability to see something

others can't? Because I don't get why everyone who has even had a

close call with this poison isn't as mad as I am.

---------------------------------

---------------------------------

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used cars.

[Guest guest]

Not much to add except one of my favorite quotes....

" The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level

of thinking we were at when we created them. "

Albert Einsten

> >

> >

> > What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

> Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything,

Does

> That Mean to Humans?

> >

> > By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> > Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could.

He

> shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

> confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish

battle.

> > http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

> >

> > Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

> they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

> because they are not " scientific " enough?

> > Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

> okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

> let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> > If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and

freak

> out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that

it

> would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much

larger

> and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was

willing

> to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends

> hadn't intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why

do

> scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who

report

> a detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they

> kill?

> > Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their

401Ks

> growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's

why.

> Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I

think

> about the money they are given to do experiments like this one,

and

> that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make

> filthy, stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I

can't

> even begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of

words

> to describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability

to

> describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang

> for their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out

> from under their feet. But that'll never happen because our

entire

> system is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or

> complicit in this conspiracy to drug us all.

> > Terry

> > P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the

Arkansas

> Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a

daughter

> to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more

B.S.

> policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

> go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

> says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll

be

> fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

> bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

> vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

> possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Not much to add except one of my favorite quotes....

" The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level

of thinking we were at when we created them. "

Albert Einsten

> >

> >

> > What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

> Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything,

Does

> That Mean to Humans?

> >

> > By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> > Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could.

He

> shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

> confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish

battle.

> > http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

> >

> > Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

> they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

> because they are not " scientific " enough?

> > Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

> okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

> let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> > If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and

freak

> out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that

it

> would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much

larger

> and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was

willing

> to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends

> hadn't intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why

do

> scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who

report

> a detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they

> kill?

> > Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their

401Ks

> growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's

why.

> Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I

think

> about the money they are given to do experiments like this one,

and

> that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make

> filthy, stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I

can't

> even begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of

words

> to describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability

to

> describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang

> for their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out

> from under their feet. But that'll never happen because our

entire

> system is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or

> complicit in this conspiracy to drug us all.

> > Terry

> > P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the

Arkansas

> Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a

daughter

> to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more

B.S.

> policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

> go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

> says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll

be

> fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

> bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

> vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

> possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Not much to add except one of my favorite quotes....

" The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level

of thinking we were at when we created them. "

Albert Einsten

> >

> >

> > What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

> Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything,

Does

> That Mean to Humans?

> >

> > By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> > Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could.

He

> shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

> confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish

battle.

> > http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

> >

> > Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

> they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

> because they are not " scientific " enough?

> > Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

> okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

> let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> > If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and

freak

> out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that

it

> would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much

larger

> and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was

willing

> to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends

> hadn't intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why

do

> scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who

report

> a detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they

> kill?

> > Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their

401Ks

> growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's

why.

> Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I

think

> about the money they are given to do experiments like this one,

and

> that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make

> filthy, stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I

can't

> even begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of

words

> to describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability

to

> describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang

> for their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out

> from under their feet. But that'll never happen because our

entire

> system is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or

> complicit in this conspiracy to drug us all.

> > Terry

> > P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the

Arkansas

> Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a

daughter

> to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more

B.S.

> policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

> go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

> says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll

be

> fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

> bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

> vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

> possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Not much to add except one of my favorite quotes....

" The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level

of thinking we were at when we created them. "

Albert Einsten

> >

> >

> > What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

> Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything,

Does

> That Mean to Humans?

> >

> > By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> > Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could.

He

> shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

> confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish

battle.

> > http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

> >

> > Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

> they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

> because they are not " scientific " enough?

> > Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

> okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

> let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> > If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and

freak

> out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that

it

> would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much

larger

> and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was

willing

> to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends

> hadn't intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why

do

> scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who

report

> a detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they

> kill?

> > Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their

401Ks

> growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's

why.

> Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I

think

> about the money they are given to do experiments like this one,

and

> that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make

> filthy, stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I

can't

> even begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of

words

> to describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability

to

> describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang

> for their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out

> from under their feet. But that'll never happen because our

entire

> system is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or

> complicit in this conspiracy to drug us all.

> > Terry

> > P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the

Arkansas

> Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a

daughter

> to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more

B.S.

> policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

> go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

> says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll

be

> fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

> bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

> vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

> possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is more understandable how big Pharma bucks twist the opinions of

academia and how buisness intests have managed to dominate scientific

information. What is a mystery to me is how the general docs and

shrinks are not able to see what is in front of them and take action

at the clinical level. While collusion on the clinical level is money

driven, I think that the amazing truth is that psychiatrists lack

conviction and do as they are told. I think that the psychiatrists

are a frightened and easily manipulated lot -- and the best place to

make an intervention at this point.

>

>

> What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything, Does

That Mean to Humans?

>

> By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could. He

shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish battle.

> http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

>

> Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

because they are not " scientific " enough?

> Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and freak

out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that it

would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much larger

and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was willing

to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends hadn't

intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why do

scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who report a

detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they kill?

> Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their 401Ks

growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's why.

Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I think

about the money they are given to do experiments like this one, and

that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make filthy,

stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I can't even

begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of words to

describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability to

describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang for

their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out from

under their feet. But that'll never happen because our entire system

is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or complicit in

this conspiracy to drug us all.

> Terry

> P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the Arkansas

Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a daughter

to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more B.S.

policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll be

fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is more understandable how big Pharma bucks twist the opinions of

academia and how buisness intests have managed to dominate scientific

information. What is a mystery to me is how the general docs and

shrinks are not able to see what is in front of them and take action

at the clinical level. While collusion on the clinical level is money

driven, I think that the amazing truth is that psychiatrists lack

conviction and do as they are told. I think that the psychiatrists

are a frightened and easily manipulated lot -- and the best place to

make an intervention at this point.

>

>

> What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything, Does

That Mean to Humans?

>

> By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could. He

shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish battle.

> http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

>

> Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

because they are not " scientific " enough?

> Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and freak

out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that it

would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much larger

and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was willing

to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends hadn't

intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why do

scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who report a

detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they kill?

> Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their 401Ks

growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's why.

Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I think

about the money they are given to do experiments like this one, and

that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make filthy,

stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I can't even

begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of words to

describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability to

describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang for

their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out from

under their feet. But that'll never happen because our entire system

is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or complicit in

this conspiracy to drug us all.

> Terry

> P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the Arkansas

Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a daughter

to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more B.S.

policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll be

fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is more understandable how big Pharma bucks twist the opinions of

academia and how buisness intests have managed to dominate scientific

information. What is a mystery to me is how the general docs and

shrinks are not able to see what is in front of them and take action

at the clinical level. While collusion on the clinical level is money

driven, I think that the amazing truth is that psychiatrists lack

conviction and do as they are told. I think that the psychiatrists

are a frightened and easily manipulated lot -- and the best place to

make an intervention at this point.

>

>

> What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything, Does

That Mean to Humans?

>

> By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could. He

shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish battle.

> http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

>

> Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

because they are not " scientific " enough?

> Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and freak

out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that it

would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much larger

and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was willing

to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends hadn't

intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why do

scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who report a

detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they kill?

> Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their 401Ks

growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's why.

Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I think

about the money they are given to do experiments like this one, and

that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make filthy,

stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I can't even

begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of words to

describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability to

describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang for

their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out from

under their feet. But that'll never happen because our entire system

is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or complicit in

this conspiracy to drug us all.

> Terry

> P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the Arkansas

Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a daughter

to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more B.S.

policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll be

fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is more understandable how big Pharma bucks twist the opinions of

academia and how buisness intests have managed to dominate scientific

information. What is a mystery to me is how the general docs and

shrinks are not able to see what is in front of them and take action

at the clinical level. While collusion on the clinical level is money

driven, I think that the amazing truth is that psychiatrists lack

conviction and do as they are told. I think that the psychiatrists

are a frightened and easily manipulated lot -- and the best place to

make an intervention at this point.

>

>

> What Crayfish Can Teach Us: BGSU Researchers Find Serotonin

Boosts the Crustaceans' Will to Fight - but What, If Anything, Does

That Mean to Humans?

>

> By Jenni Laidman, The Blade, Toledo, Ohio Feb. 20--

> Here is the story of the little crayfish who thought he could. He

shouldn't have, however. Not too long before his burst of reckless

confidence, he'd experienced defeat in the field of crayfish battle.

> http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=398168

>

> Can you believe our tax dollars are supporting this type of crap

they call " scientific research " and yet they discount our stories

because they are not " scientific " enough?

> Not that I for one minute believe that the systems of a bug -

okay, a crustacean - are in anyway relatable to human systems, but

let's just go with their concept for a minute.

> If the introduction of foreign seratonin will overload and freak

out an animal as simple as a crustacean - why should we doubt that it

would do the same to a much more complex human - but on a much larger

and more self-destructive level? If this little crawdad was willing

to lose a limb (and possibly his life, if his scientist friends hadn't

intervened) due to the surging seratonin in his body, why do

scientists doubt the reports of people like Pittman who report a

detached and removed feeling - " like watching a movie " - as they kill?

> Answer: Because it keeps their paychecks rolling in, their 401Ks

growing, and the mortgage and credit card bills paid. That's why.

Nothing more - just money, money, money, f-ing money. When I think

about the money they are given to do experiments like this one, and

that my son and thousands of others have died so they can make filthy,

stinking money, it makes me so sick, so pissed off - I can't even

begin to describe it. I have sat here trying to think of words to

describe how I feel - there are none. It is beyond my ability to

describe the rage and furor I feel. I'd love to see them all hang for

their crimes. I'd love to be the one who kicks the bucket out from

under their feet. But that'll never happen because our entire system

is being run by pandering morons who are blind and/or complicit in

this conspiracy to drug us all.

> Terry

> P.S. We found out today that (a seargant in the Arkansas

Army National Guard and B.J's former fiancee' who is like a daughter

to us) will be leaving to go to Iraq in two months - due to more B.S.

policies coming down from those morons. But she says she wants to

go...she loves the structure and camaraderie of the military. She

says B.J. is her guardian angel and will watch over her, so she'll be

fine. We worry, of course...and not just because of the suicide

bombers or insurgents. We worry about the malaria and other

vaccinations she will have to get, too. We worry about the

possibility of PTSD - and the drugging that goes with it.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>