Ministers lose mental health vote

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Ministers lose mental health vote

Enforced treatments could be 'highly invasive', peers heard

The government has suffered a defeat in the House of Lords over plans

to detain mental health patients who have not committed an offence.

The Mental Health Bill would allow people with severe personality

disorders to be confined if judged a threat to themselves or others.

Peers voted that a mental disorder should not be diagnosed on grounds

of sexuality, beliefs or bad conduct.

Critics argue the bill could prevent people from seeking treatment.

'Highly invasive'

Conservative, Lib Dem and non-aligned peers have jointly tabled a

series of amendments to the plans, with other votes expected later.

Conservative Earl Howe told peers: " It [the bill] allows individuals

who have committed no crime to be detained and committed under

compulsion and subjected to treatments that are highly invasive. "

He added that it was essential to " set the parameters of acceptable

behaviour on the part of health professionals " .

Patients who were coerced felt " dreadful trauma and deep

humiliation " , Earl Howe said.

Lib Dem Baroness Barker said a " clear statement of principles " on how

the law and mental health workers' code of practice worked together

was needed, to avoid " continued confusion " .

The slimmed-down Mental Health Bill is the latest in a series of

attempts by the government since 1998 to change the laws.

Community treatment

At the moment people cannot be detained against their will - even if

they are a danger to themselves or others - if that detention and

treatment could not be shown to benefit their condition.

The government wants to change those rules so people could be

detained and treated if medical treatment, which is appropriate to

the patient's mental disorder " and all other circumstances of their

case " , is available.

Also controversial is the plan to bring in supervised community

treatment, which aims to ensure patients comply with their treatment

once they are discharged from hospital.

Health Minister Lord Warner has said the aim of the bill is to

protect the public and patients from harm.

Stone's 1998 conviction for the murders of Lin and

first prompted the government to propose new laws. Stone was

regarded as a dangerous psychopath but, because his condition was

untreatable, he could not be held under mental health powers.

The bill comes after previous attempts to change the existing Mental

Health Act 1983 were abandoned in the face of opposition from mental

health campaigners and some doctors.

They object, among other issues, to the bill being too occupied with

public safety rather than the needs of the people who might require

help.

The peers say they do not want the bill dropped, but want their

amendments accepted by the government.

The changes would affect an estimated 14,000 of the 600,000 people

who use mental health services each year.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6374547.stm

Ministers lose mental health vote

Enforced treatments could be 'highly invasive', peers heard

The government has suffered a defeat in the House of Lords over plans

to detain mental health patients who have not committed an offence.

The Mental Health Bill would allow people with severe personality

disorders to be confined if judged a threat to themselves or others.

Peers voted that a mental disorder should not be diagnosed on grounds

of sexuality, beliefs or bad conduct.

Critics argue the bill could prevent people from seeking treatment.

'Highly invasive'

Conservative, Lib Dem and non-aligned peers have jointly tabled a

series of amendments to the plans, with other votes expected later.

Conservative Earl Howe told peers: " It [the bill] allows individuals

who have committed no crime to be detained and committed under

compulsion and subjected to treatments that are highly invasive. "

He added that it was essential to " set the parameters of acceptable

behaviour on the part of health professionals " .

Patients who were coerced felt " dreadful trauma and deep

humiliation " , Earl Howe said.

Lib Dem Baroness Barker said a " clear statement of principles " on how

the law and mental health workers' code of practice worked together

was needed, to avoid " continued confusion " .

The slimmed-down Mental Health Bill is the latest in a series of

attempts by the government since 1998 to change the laws.

Community treatment

At the moment people cannot be detained against their will - even if

they are a danger to themselves or others - if that detention and

treatment could not be shown to benefit their condition.

The government wants to change those rules so people could be

detained and treated if medical treatment, which is appropriate to

the patient's mental disorder " and all other circumstances of their

case " , is available.

Also controversial is the plan to bring in supervised community

treatment, which aims to ensure patients comply with their treatment

once they are discharged from hospital.

Health Minister Lord Warner has said the aim of the bill is to

protect the public and patients from harm.

Stone's 1998 conviction for the murders of Lin and

first prompted the government to propose new laws. Stone was

regarded as a dangerous psychopath but, because his condition was

untreatable, he could not be held under mental health powers.

The bill comes after previous attempts to change the existing Mental

Health Act 1983 were abandoned in the face of opposition from mental

health campaigners and some doctors.

They object, among other issues, to the bill being too occupied with

public safety rather than the needs of the people who might require

help.

The peers say they do not want the bill dropped, but want their

amendments accepted by the government.

The changes would affect an estimated 14,000 of the 600,000 people

who use mental health services each year.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6374547.stm

Ministers lose mental health vote

Enforced treatments could be 'highly invasive', peers heard

The government has suffered a defeat in the House of Lords over plans

to detain mental health patients who have not committed an offence.

The Mental Health Bill would allow people with severe personality

disorders to be confined if judged a threat to themselves or others.

Peers voted that a mental disorder should not be diagnosed on grounds

of sexuality, beliefs or bad conduct.

Critics argue the bill could prevent people from seeking treatment.

'Highly invasive'

Conservative, Lib Dem and non-aligned peers have jointly tabled a

series of amendments to the plans, with other votes expected later.

Conservative Earl Howe told peers: " It [the bill] allows individuals

who have committed no crime to be detained and committed under

compulsion and subjected to treatments that are highly invasive. "

He added that it was essential to " set the parameters of acceptable

behaviour on the part of health professionals " .

Patients who were coerced felt " dreadful trauma and deep

humiliation " , Earl Howe said.

Lib Dem Baroness Barker said a " clear statement of principles " on how

the law and mental health workers' code of practice worked together

was needed, to avoid " continued confusion " .

The slimmed-down Mental Health Bill is the latest in a series of

attempts by the government since 1998 to change the laws.

Community treatment

At the moment people cannot be detained against their will - even if

they are a danger to themselves or others - if that detention and

treatment could not be shown to benefit their condition.

The government wants to change those rules so people could be

detained and treated if medical treatment, which is appropriate to

the patient's mental disorder " and all other circumstances of their

case " , is available.

Also controversial is the plan to bring in supervised community

treatment, which aims to ensure patients comply with their treatment

once they are discharged from hospital.

Health Minister Lord Warner has said the aim of the bill is to

protect the public and patients from harm.

Stone's 1998 conviction for the murders of Lin and

first prompted the government to propose new laws. Stone was

regarded as a dangerous psychopath but, because his condition was

untreatable, he could not be held under mental health powers.

The bill comes after previous attempts to change the existing Mental

Health Act 1983 were abandoned in the face of opposition from mental

health campaigners and some doctors.

They object, among other issues, to the bill being too occupied with

public safety rather than the needs of the people who might require

help.

The peers say they do not want the bill dropped, but want their

amendments accepted by the government.

The changes would affect an estimated 14,000 of the 600,000 people

who use mental health services each year.

[Guest guest]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6374547.stm

Ministers lose mental health vote

Enforced treatments could be 'highly invasive', peers heard

The government has suffered a defeat in the House of Lords over plans

to detain mental health patients who have not committed an offence.

The Mental Health Bill would allow people with severe personality

disorders to be confined if judged a threat to themselves or others.

Peers voted that a mental disorder should not be diagnosed on grounds

of sexuality, beliefs or bad conduct.

Critics argue the bill could prevent people from seeking treatment.

'Highly invasive'

Conservative, Lib Dem and non-aligned peers have jointly tabled a

series of amendments to the plans, with other votes expected later.

Conservative Earl Howe told peers: " It [the bill] allows individuals

who have committed no crime to be detained and committed under

compulsion and subjected to treatments that are highly invasive. "

He added that it was essential to " set the parameters of acceptable

behaviour on the part of health professionals " .

Patients who were coerced felt " dreadful trauma and deep

humiliation " , Earl Howe said.

Lib Dem Baroness Barker said a " clear statement of principles " on how

the law and mental health workers' code of practice worked together

was needed, to avoid " continued confusion " .

The slimmed-down Mental Health Bill is the latest in a series of

attempts by the government since 1998 to change the laws.

Community treatment

At the moment people cannot be detained against their will - even if

they are a danger to themselves or others - if that detention and

treatment could not be shown to benefit their condition.

The government wants to change those rules so people could be

detained and treated if medical treatment, which is appropriate to

the patient's mental disorder " and all other circumstances of their

case " , is available.

Also controversial is the plan to bring in supervised community

treatment, which aims to ensure patients comply with their treatment

once they are discharged from hospital.

Health Minister Lord Warner has said the aim of the bill is to

protect the public and patients from harm.

Stone's 1998 conviction for the murders of Lin and

first prompted the government to propose new laws. Stone was

regarded as a dangerous psychopath but, because his condition was

untreatable, he could not be held under mental health powers.

The bill comes after previous attempts to change the existing Mental

Health Act 1983 were abandoned in the face of opposition from mental

health campaigners and some doctors.

They object, among other issues, to the bill being too occupied with

public safety rather than the needs of the people who might require

help.

The peers say they do not want the bill dropped, but want their

amendments accepted by the government.

The changes would affect an estimated 14,000 of the 600,000 people

who use mental health services each year.

[Guest guest]

Whooo Hooo!!!

I was getting worried there...

If I was there I would watch every single amendment.

Jim

Ministers lose mental health vote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6374547.stm

Ministers lose mental health vote

Enforced treatments could be 'highly invasive', peers heard

The government has suffered a defeat in the House of Lords over plans

to detain mental health patients who have not committed an offence.

The Mental Health Bill would allow people with severe personality

disorders to be confined if judged a threat to themselves or others.

Peers voted that a mental disorder should not be diagnosed on grounds

of sexuality, beliefs or bad conduct.

Critics argue the bill could prevent people from seeking treatment.

'Highly invasive'

Conservative, Lib Dem and non-aligned peers have jointly tabled a

series of amendments to the plans, with other votes expected later.

Conservative Earl Howe told peers: " It [the bill] allows individuals

who have committed no crime to be detained and committed under

compulsion and subjected to treatments that are highly invasive. "

He added that it was essential to " set the parameters of acceptable

behaviour on the part of health professionals " .

Patients who were coerced felt " dreadful trauma and deep

humiliation " , Earl Howe said.

Lib Dem Baroness Barker said a " clear statement of principles " on how

the law and mental health workers' code of practice worked together

was needed, to avoid " continued confusion " .

The slimmed-down Mental Health Bill is the latest in a series of

attempts by the government since 1998 to change the laws.

Community treatment

At the moment people cannot be detained against their will - even if

they are a danger to themselves or others - if that detention and

treatment could not be shown to benefit their condition.

The government wants to change those rules so people could be

detained and treated if medical treatment, which is appropriate to

the patient's mental disorder " and all other circumstances of their

case " , is available.

Also controversial is the plan to bring in supervised community

treatment, which aims to ensure patients comply with their treatment

once they are discharged from hospital.

Health Minister Lord Warner has said the aim of the bill is to

protect the public and patients from harm.

Stone's 1998 conviction for the murders of Lin and

first prompted the government to propose new laws. Stone was

regarded as a dangerous psychopath but, because his condition was

untreatable, he could not be held under mental health powers.

The bill comes after previous attempts to change the existing Mental

Health Act 1983 were abandoned in the face of opposition from mental

health campaigners and some doctors.

They object, among other issues, to the bill being too occupied with

public safety rather than the needs of the people who might require

help.

The peers say they do not want the bill dropped, but want their

amendments accepted by the government.

The changes would affect an estimated 14,000 of the 600,000 people

who use mental health services each year.

[Guest guest]

Whooo Hooo!!!

I was getting worried there...

If I was there I would watch every single amendment.

Jim

Ministers lose mental health vote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6374547.stm

Ministers lose mental health vote

Enforced treatments could be 'highly invasive', peers heard

The government has suffered a defeat in the House of Lords over plans

to detain mental health patients who have not committed an offence.

The Mental Health Bill would allow people with severe personality

disorders to be confined if judged a threat to themselves or others.

Peers voted that a mental disorder should not be diagnosed on grounds

of sexuality, beliefs or bad conduct.

Critics argue the bill could prevent people from seeking treatment.

'Highly invasive'

Conservative, Lib Dem and non-aligned peers have jointly tabled a

series of amendments to the plans, with other votes expected later.

Conservative Earl Howe told peers: " It [the bill] allows individuals

who have committed no crime to be detained and committed under

compulsion and subjected to treatments that are highly invasive. "

He added that it was essential to " set the parameters of acceptable

behaviour on the part of health professionals " .

Patients who were coerced felt " dreadful trauma and deep

humiliation " , Earl Howe said.

Lib Dem Baroness Barker said a " clear statement of principles " on how

the law and mental health workers' code of practice worked together

was needed, to avoid " continued confusion " .

The slimmed-down Mental Health Bill is the latest in a series of

attempts by the government since 1998 to change the laws.

Community treatment

At the moment people cannot be detained against their will - even if

they are a danger to themselves or others - if that detention and

treatment could not be shown to benefit their condition.

The government wants to change those rules so people could be

detained and treated if medical treatment, which is appropriate to

the patient's mental disorder " and all other circumstances of their

case " , is available.

Also controversial is the plan to bring in supervised community

treatment, which aims to ensure patients comply with their treatment

once they are discharged from hospital.

Health Minister Lord Warner has said the aim of the bill is to

protect the public and patients from harm.

Stone's 1998 conviction for the murders of Lin and

first prompted the government to propose new laws. Stone was

regarded as a dangerous psychopath but, because his condition was

untreatable, he could not be held under mental health powers.

The bill comes after previous attempts to change the existing Mental

Health Act 1983 were abandoned in the face of opposition from mental

health campaigners and some doctors.

They object, among other issues, to the bill being too occupied with

public safety rather than the needs of the people who might require

help.

The peers say they do not want the bill dropped, but want their

amendments accepted by the government.

The changes would affect an estimated 14,000 of the 600,000 people

who use mental health services each year.

[Guest guest]

Whooo Hooo!!!

I was getting worried there...

If I was there I would watch every single amendment.

Jim

Ministers lose mental health vote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6374547.stm

Ministers lose mental health vote

Enforced treatments could be 'highly invasive', peers heard

The government has suffered a defeat in the House of Lords over plans

to detain mental health patients who have not committed an offence.

The Mental Health Bill would allow people with severe personality

disorders to be confined if judged a threat to themselves or others.

Peers voted that a mental disorder should not be diagnosed on grounds

of sexuality, beliefs or bad conduct.

Critics argue the bill could prevent people from seeking treatment.

'Highly invasive'

Conservative, Lib Dem and non-aligned peers have jointly tabled a

series of amendments to the plans, with other votes expected later.

Conservative Earl Howe told peers: " It [the bill] allows individuals

who have committed no crime to be detained and committed under

compulsion and subjected to treatments that are highly invasive. "

He added that it was essential to " set the parameters of acceptable

behaviour on the part of health professionals " .

Patients who were coerced felt " dreadful trauma and deep

humiliation " , Earl Howe said.

Lib Dem Baroness Barker said a " clear statement of principles " on how

the law and mental health workers' code of practice worked together

was needed, to avoid " continued confusion " .

The slimmed-down Mental Health Bill is the latest in a series of

attempts by the government since 1998 to change the laws.

Community treatment

At the moment people cannot be detained against their will - even if

they are a danger to themselves or others - if that detention and

treatment could not be shown to benefit their condition.

The government wants to change those rules so people could be

detained and treated if medical treatment, which is appropriate to

the patient's mental disorder " and all other circumstances of their

case " , is available.

Also controversial is the plan to bring in supervised community

treatment, which aims to ensure patients comply with their treatment

once they are discharged from hospital.

Health Minister Lord Warner has said the aim of the bill is to

protect the public and patients from harm.

Stone's 1998 conviction for the murders of Lin and

first prompted the government to propose new laws. Stone was

regarded as a dangerous psychopath but, because his condition was

untreatable, he could not be held under mental health powers.

The bill comes after previous attempts to change the existing Mental

Health Act 1983 were abandoned in the face of opposition from mental

health campaigners and some doctors.

They object, among other issues, to the bill being too occupied with

public safety rather than the needs of the people who might require

help.

The peers say they do not want the bill dropped, but want their

amendments accepted by the government.

The changes would affect an estimated 14,000 of the 600,000 people

who use mental health services each year.

[Guest guest]

Whooo Hooo!!!

I was getting worried there...

If I was there I would watch every single amendment.

Jim

Ministers lose mental health vote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6374547.stm

Ministers lose mental health vote

Enforced treatments could be 'highly invasive', peers heard

The government has suffered a defeat in the House of Lords over plans

to detain mental health patients who have not committed an offence.

The Mental Health Bill would allow people with severe personality

disorders to be confined if judged a threat to themselves or others.

Peers voted that a mental disorder should not be diagnosed on grounds

of sexuality, beliefs or bad conduct.

Critics argue the bill could prevent people from seeking treatment.

'Highly invasive'

Conservative, Lib Dem and non-aligned peers have jointly tabled a

series of amendments to the plans, with other votes expected later.

Conservative Earl Howe told peers: " It [the bill] allows individuals

who have committed no crime to be detained and committed under

compulsion and subjected to treatments that are highly invasive. "

He added that it was essential to " set the parameters of acceptable

behaviour on the part of health professionals " .

Patients who were coerced felt " dreadful trauma and deep

humiliation " , Earl Howe said.

Lib Dem Baroness Barker said a " clear statement of principles " on how

the law and mental health workers' code of practice worked together

was needed, to avoid " continued confusion " .

The slimmed-down Mental Health Bill is the latest in a series of

attempts by the government since 1998 to change the laws.

Community treatment

At the moment people cannot be detained against their will - even if

they are a danger to themselves or others - if that detention and

treatment could not be shown to benefit their condition.

The government wants to change those rules so people could be

detained and treated if medical treatment, which is appropriate to

the patient's mental disorder " and all other circumstances of their

case " , is available.

Also controversial is the plan to bring in supervised community

treatment, which aims to ensure patients comply with their treatment

once they are discharged from hospital.

Health Minister Lord Warner has said the aim of the bill is to

protect the public and patients from harm.

Stone's 1998 conviction for the murders of Lin and

first prompted the government to propose new laws. Stone was

regarded as a dangerous psychopath but, because his condition was

untreatable, he could not be held under mental health powers.

The bill comes after previous attempts to change the existing Mental

Health Act 1983 were abandoned in the face of opposition from mental

health campaigners and some doctors.

They object, among other issues, to the bill being too occupied with

public safety rather than the needs of the people who might require

help.

The peers say they do not want the bill dropped, but want their

amendments accepted by the government.

The changes would affect an estimated 14,000 of the 600,000 people

who use mental health services each year.