Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Hi Merrie, Wow, what a story! It sounds like something that would take place is communistic Russia years ago! My hat off to you for sticking to your guns and not authorizing the use of these antidepressants on your son. You truly impress me! Check out this website and contact someone there. I bet that they can help you! http://www.cchr.org/ Good luck! You're doing the right thing! J. Jolivette My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac & Geodon I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, but it is a terrifying story. My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out between the officers. My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get back to him. I didn't say anything else. The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again as then it would be up to the doctor. On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best interest of my child. I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be up to this doctor. I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. What do you all think of this? I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish to my child. I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the mentally ill now is to kill you? What do you all think about this? Merrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Hi Merrie, Wow, what a story! It sounds like something that would take place is communistic Russia years ago! My hat off to you for sticking to your guns and not authorizing the use of these antidepressants on your son. You truly impress me! Check out this website and contact someone there. I bet that they can help you! http://www.cchr.org/ Good luck! You're doing the right thing! J. Jolivette My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac & Geodon I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, but it is a terrifying story. My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out between the officers. My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get back to him. I didn't say anything else. The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again as then it would be up to the doctor. On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best interest of my child. I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be up to this doctor. I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. What do you all think of this? I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish to my child. I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the mentally ill now is to kill you? What do you all think about this? Merrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Hi Merrie, Wow, what a story! It sounds like something that would take place is communistic Russia years ago! My hat off to you for sticking to your guns and not authorizing the use of these antidepressants on your son. You truly impress me! Check out this website and contact someone there. I bet that they can help you! http://www.cchr.org/ Good luck! You're doing the right thing! J. Jolivette My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac & Geodon I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, but it is a terrifying story. My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out between the officers. My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get back to him. I didn't say anything else. The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again as then it would be up to the doctor. On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best interest of my child. I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be up to this doctor. I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. What do you all think of this? I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish to my child. I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the mentally ill now is to kill you? What do you all think about this? Merrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Hi Merrie, Wow, what a story! It sounds like something that would take place is communistic Russia years ago! My hat off to you for sticking to your guns and not authorizing the use of these antidepressants on your son. You truly impress me! Check out this website and contact someone there. I bet that they can help you! http://www.cchr.org/ Good luck! You're doing the right thing! J. Jolivette My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac & Geodon I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, but it is a terrifying story. My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out between the officers. My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get back to him. I didn't say anything else. The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again as then it would be up to the doctor. On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best interest of my child. I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be up to this doctor. I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. What do you all think of this? I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish to my child. I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the mentally ill now is to kill you? What do you all think about this? Merrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 His anger might be father related. No loving father makes for an angry young man, often. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re- admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 His anger might be father related. No loving father makes for an angry young man, often. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re- admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 His anger might be father related. No loving father makes for an angry young man, often. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re- admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 His anger might be father related. No loving father makes for an angry young man, often. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re- admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Merrie, your story is not unusual, but in order for you to maintain your son at hom,e we have to get to the bottom of what is happening with him. I invite you to join my group where we help people be stable without psychotropic drugs and also help them safely discontinue them. For now, as far as the explosiveness goes, get a bottle of Bach Flower Essence Cherry Plum and give your son 4 drops under his tongue of in 2 oz of water 4 x a day. If you don't have his cooperation you probably can't maintain him at home. The best way to get his cooperation is to make hima part of the process. He is frightenened that he can lose control as he has and he is now frightened by the things that bhave recently happened. The group URL is: Withdrawal_and_Recovery/ Let me know it's you when you subscribe. Right now I'm not accepting most newe members because I'm taking some time off. Regards, Do not follow where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Merrie, your story is not unusual, but in order for you to maintain your son at hom,e we have to get to the bottom of what is happening with him. I invite you to join my group where we help people be stable without psychotropic drugs and also help them safely discontinue them. For now, as far as the explosiveness goes, get a bottle of Bach Flower Essence Cherry Plum and give your son 4 drops under his tongue of in 2 oz of water 4 x a day. If you don't have his cooperation you probably can't maintain him at home. The best way to get his cooperation is to make hima part of the process. He is frightenened that he can lose control as he has and he is now frightened by the things that bhave recently happened. The group URL is: Withdrawal_and_Recovery/ Let me know it's you when you subscribe. Right now I'm not accepting most newe members because I'm taking some time off. Regards, Do not follow where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Merrie, your story is not unusual, but in order for you to maintain your son at hom,e we have to get to the bottom of what is happening with him. I invite you to join my group where we help people be stable without psychotropic drugs and also help them safely discontinue them. For now, as far as the explosiveness goes, get a bottle of Bach Flower Essence Cherry Plum and give your son 4 drops under his tongue of in 2 oz of water 4 x a day. If you don't have his cooperation you probably can't maintain him at home. The best way to get his cooperation is to make hima part of the process. He is frightenened that he can lose control as he has and he is now frightened by the things that bhave recently happened. The group URL is: Withdrawal_and_Recovery/ Let me know it's you when you subscribe. Right now I'm not accepting most newe members because I'm taking some time off. Regards, Do not follow where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Merrie, your story is not unusual, but in order for you to maintain your son at hom,e we have to get to the bottom of what is happening with him. I invite you to join my group where we help people be stable without psychotropic drugs and also help them safely discontinue them. For now, as far as the explosiveness goes, get a bottle of Bach Flower Essence Cherry Plum and give your son 4 drops under his tongue of in 2 oz of water 4 x a day. If you don't have his cooperation you probably can't maintain him at home. The best way to get his cooperation is to make hima part of the process. He is frightenened that he can lose control as he has and he is now frightened by the things that bhave recently happened. The group URL is: Withdrawal_and_Recovery/ Let me know it's you when you subscribe. Right now I'm not accepting most newe members because I'm taking some time off. Regards, Do not follow where the path may lead; go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 The same thing happened to my son. The medical association wants us to believe it was a fluke in the genes and they hope like crazy people don't wake up and connect it to their vaccines. He probably received his DT vax, became OCD and then self medicated with some type of illegal drug. This story unfortunantly is extremly common. It took me about 4 years to figure out what happened, but i now know they are causing all kinds of disease with vaccines including mental disease. I would really like to know when he got his last vaccination and the events that followed it. Please, if you could tell me what and when he received his last vaccination i sure would appreciate it. I don't know about Virginia, but the DT vax is requried here around the age of 14 or 15. Connie > > Hi Merrie, > > Wow, what a story! It sounds like something that would take place is > communistic Russia years ago! My hat off to you for sticking to your guns > and not authorizing the use of these antidepressants on your son. You truly > impress me! Check out this website and contact someone there. I bet that > they can help you! http://www.cchr.org/ > > Good luck! You're doing the right thing! > J. Jolivette > My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac > & Geodon > > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re- admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 The same thing happened to my son. The medical association wants us to believe it was a fluke in the genes and they hope like crazy people don't wake up and connect it to their vaccines. He probably received his DT vax, became OCD and then self medicated with some type of illegal drug. This story unfortunantly is extremly common. It took me about 4 years to figure out what happened, but i now know they are causing all kinds of disease with vaccines including mental disease. I would really like to know when he got his last vaccination and the events that followed it. Please, if you could tell me what and when he received his last vaccination i sure would appreciate it. I don't know about Virginia, but the DT vax is requried here around the age of 14 or 15. Connie > > Hi Merrie, > > Wow, what a story! It sounds like something that would take place is > communistic Russia years ago! My hat off to you for sticking to your guns > and not authorizing the use of these antidepressants on your son. You truly > impress me! Check out this website and contact someone there. I bet that > they can help you! http://www.cchr.org/ > > Good luck! You're doing the right thing! > J. Jolivette > My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac > & Geodon > > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re- admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 The same thing happened to my son. The medical association wants us to believe it was a fluke in the genes and they hope like crazy people don't wake up and connect it to their vaccines. He probably received his DT vax, became OCD and then self medicated with some type of illegal drug. This story unfortunantly is extremly common. It took me about 4 years to figure out what happened, but i now know they are causing all kinds of disease with vaccines including mental disease. I would really like to know when he got his last vaccination and the events that followed it. Please, if you could tell me what and when he received his last vaccination i sure would appreciate it. I don't know about Virginia, but the DT vax is requried here around the age of 14 or 15. Connie > > Hi Merrie, > > Wow, what a story! It sounds like something that would take place is > communistic Russia years ago! My hat off to you for sticking to your guns > and not authorizing the use of these antidepressants on your son. You truly > impress me! Check out this website and contact someone there. I bet that > they can help you! http://www.cchr.org/ > > Good luck! You're doing the right thing! > J. Jolivette > My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac > & Geodon > > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re- admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 The same thing happened to my son. The medical association wants us to believe it was a fluke in the genes and they hope like crazy people don't wake up and connect it to their vaccines. He probably received his DT vax, became OCD and then self medicated with some type of illegal drug. This story unfortunantly is extremly common. It took me about 4 years to figure out what happened, but i now know they are causing all kinds of disease with vaccines including mental disease. I would really like to know when he got his last vaccination and the events that followed it. Please, if you could tell me what and when he received his last vaccination i sure would appreciate it. I don't know about Virginia, but the DT vax is requried here around the age of 14 or 15. Connie > > Hi Merrie, > > Wow, what a story! It sounds like something that would take place is > communistic Russia years ago! My hat off to you for sticking to your guns > and not authorizing the use of these antidepressants on your son. You truly > impress me! Check out this website and contact someone there. I bet that > they can help you! http://www.cchr.org/ > > Good luck! You're doing the right thing! > J. Jolivette > My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac > & Geodon > > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re- admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 The job of the psychiatrist is to convince the patient, and the family that the person is brain diseased and needs drugs to treat this. Of course, this is not the case. I am a strong proponant of reporting all of these sorts of doctors to the state medical board. The law is that patients may refuse treatment. Coercion at this level violates the law, at least in spirit, and is unsafe. Even if the doctor is not formally disciplined, they have to answer to your complaint in writing -- which means that they have to at least think about their wrongdoings. I hope that you can get your son back. To answer your question, yes -- the new standard of care for treatment of the mentally ill is to prescribe dangerous drugs without regard to the potential risks and benefits of such drugs. Go figure. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 The job of the psychiatrist is to convince the patient, and the family that the person is brain diseased and needs drugs to treat this. Of course, this is not the case. I am a strong proponant of reporting all of these sorts of doctors to the state medical board. The law is that patients may refuse treatment. Coercion at this level violates the law, at least in spirit, and is unsafe. Even if the doctor is not formally disciplined, they have to answer to your complaint in writing -- which means that they have to at least think about their wrongdoings. I hope that you can get your son back. To answer your question, yes -- the new standard of care for treatment of the mentally ill is to prescribe dangerous drugs without regard to the potential risks and benefits of such drugs. Go figure. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 The job of the psychiatrist is to convince the patient, and the family that the person is brain diseased and needs drugs to treat this. Of course, this is not the case. I am a strong proponant of reporting all of these sorts of doctors to the state medical board. The law is that patients may refuse treatment. Coercion at this level violates the law, at least in spirit, and is unsafe. Even if the doctor is not formally disciplined, they have to answer to your complaint in writing -- which means that they have to at least think about their wrongdoings. I hope that you can get your son back. To answer your question, yes -- the new standard of care for treatment of the mentally ill is to prescribe dangerous drugs without regard to the potential risks and benefits of such drugs. Go figure. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 The job of the psychiatrist is to convince the patient, and the family that the person is brain diseased and needs drugs to treat this. Of course, this is not the case. I am a strong proponant of reporting all of these sorts of doctors to the state medical board. The law is that patients may refuse treatment. Coercion at this level violates the law, at least in spirit, and is unsafe. Even if the doctor is not formally disciplined, they have to answer to your complaint in writing -- which means that they have to at least think about their wrongdoings. I hope that you can get your son back. To answer your question, yes -- the new standard of care for treatment of the mentally ill is to prescribe dangerous drugs without regard to the potential risks and benefits of such drugs. Go figure. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 It doesn't sound like your son has OCD, obsessive-compulsive disorder, is when someone is hoarding, collecting junk, cannot step on a crack in the sidewalk, washing hands over and over, a place for everything and everything in it's place, aggression is never carried out. Re: My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac & Geodon The job of the psychiatrist is to convince the patient, and the family that the person is brain diseased and needs drugs to treat this. Of course, this is not the case. I am a strong proponant of reporting all of these sorts of doctors to the state medical board. The law is that patients may refuse treatment. Coercion at this level violates the law, at least in spirit, and is unsafe. Even if the doctor is not formally disciplined, they have to answer to your complaint in writing -- which means that they have to at least think about their wrongdoings. I hope that you can get your son back. To answer your question, yes -- the new standard of care for treatment of the mentally ill is to prescribe dangerous drugs without regard to the potential risks and benefits of such drugs. Go figure. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 It doesn't sound like your son has OCD, obsessive-compulsive disorder, is when someone is hoarding, collecting junk, cannot step on a crack in the sidewalk, washing hands over and over, a place for everything and everything in it's place, aggression is never carried out. Re: My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac & Geodon The job of the psychiatrist is to convince the patient, and the family that the person is brain diseased and needs drugs to treat this. Of course, this is not the case. I am a strong proponant of reporting all of these sorts of doctors to the state medical board. The law is that patients may refuse treatment. Coercion at this level violates the law, at least in spirit, and is unsafe. Even if the doctor is not formally disciplined, they have to answer to your complaint in writing -- which means that they have to at least think about their wrongdoings. I hope that you can get your son back. To answer your question, yes -- the new standard of care for treatment of the mentally ill is to prescribe dangerous drugs without regard to the potential risks and benefits of such drugs. Go figure. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 It doesn't sound like your son has OCD, obsessive-compulsive disorder, is when someone is hoarding, collecting junk, cannot step on a crack in the sidewalk, washing hands over and over, a place for everything and everything in it's place, aggression is never carried out. Re: My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac & Geodon The job of the psychiatrist is to convince the patient, and the family that the person is brain diseased and needs drugs to treat this. Of course, this is not the case. I am a strong proponant of reporting all of these sorts of doctors to the state medical board. The law is that patients may refuse treatment. Coercion at this level violates the law, at least in spirit, and is unsafe. Even if the doctor is not formally disciplined, they have to answer to your complaint in writing -- which means that they have to at least think about their wrongdoings. I hope that you can get your son back. To answer your question, yes -- the new standard of care for treatment of the mentally ill is to prescribe dangerous drugs without regard to the potential risks and benefits of such drugs. Go figure. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 It doesn't sound like your son has OCD, obsessive-compulsive disorder, is when someone is hoarding, collecting junk, cannot step on a crack in the sidewalk, washing hands over and over, a place for everything and everything in it's place, aggression is never carried out. Re: My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac & Geodon The job of the psychiatrist is to convince the patient, and the family that the person is brain diseased and needs drugs to treat this. Of course, this is not the case. I am a strong proponant of reporting all of these sorts of doctors to the state medical board. The law is that patients may refuse treatment. Coercion at this level violates the law, at least in spirit, and is unsafe. Even if the doctor is not formally disciplined, they have to answer to your complaint in writing -- which means that they have to at least think about their wrongdoings. I hope that you can get your son back. To answer your question, yes -- the new standard of care for treatment of the mentally ill is to prescribe dangerous drugs without regard to the potential risks and benefits of such drugs. Go figure. > > I know you all don't like this subject line. I have fought Prozac and > Geodon and I am suppose to get my 16 year old son back tomorrow, Monday, > at 10am. I live in southeast Virginia. > > I want you all to know what has happened. I will try to make this short, > but it is a terrifying story. > > My son suffers with the signs of OCD. In addition, he has spells of > uncontrolable rage. Last Wednesday we found a psychologist who claims > he can get 100% results with OCD by using the exposure response > technique if the patient will work with him. My son has never had the > opportunity to try this. My son said he wanted to work with him. > > When we got home at 8pm, my son ran away and was not found until 5:45am > the next morning. The police brought him back in handcuffs, however he > had done nothing wrong. He had just run away. He came into the house > with bottled up rage. Once the police were gone and he was inside the > house, he attacked me with his fists while trying to bite me as well. > My boyfriend was there at the time and called the police as he pulled my > son off of me. My son began attacking him. I intervened and talked my > son down and got him to stop hitting, however unlike most times, he > still stayed angry. The police arrived and said that he didn't have a > choice about going to this city facility to talk to someone. He only > had a choice about how he wanted to go, in handcuffs with the police or > with his mother. He chose me, his mother. I had no idea where we were > going or what was happening, but I had to take him there. > > Once there, I was very polite. I did not reveal all the problems I was > having with my son but said instead that he was a difficult child and we > had a psychologist who was working with him. The interviewer tried to > talk to my son but my son was still angry. The next thing I knew, she > asked for a petition and looked up at my son and said, " I am admitting > you to a psychiatric hospital. You will not be going home today from > here. " My son blew in rage and began to move aggressively in my > direction. I turned to her and said, " I think we might have trouble. " > It was impossible to get out of my son's way fast enough, so I turned to > my son and said, " Wait a minute. We have to have an agreement. You > have to agree not to in any way physically address me or use > inappropriate verbal language in any loud and abusive way. Do you > agree? " He was steaming, but said 'yes'. Several police officers > entered the room and my son said, " I have to see my mother alone. " They > said, " You will not be seeing your mother alone. " I weazeled my way out > between the officers. > My son was taken to the children's psychiatric hospital. The next day I > got a call from a doctor who was from India and had a very thick accent. > He was very unspecific about my son's condition and just told me that he > was prescribing Prozac and Geodon for my son. Oddily enough, I don't > know why, he needed my permission. He needed me to sign papers allowing > my son to be given these two drugs. You all know I'm not going to do > that. There's just no way I'm going to do that. I had never heard of > Geodon, but I figured it was probably pretty deadly. I told the doctor > that I would have to get some information on these two drugs and get > back to him. I didn't say anything else. > The doctor called me back Friday afternoon and told me I needed to give > permission for him to give these two drugs because my son really needed > them and he didn't want to wait too long. I told him that I understood > that Prozac was labeled now as something not to be given to teenagers > because it could cause them to suicide themselves. I told him that I > had talked to my son's current doctor and he did not think my son should > be given drugs, so I was going to be following his advice and not giving > permission. I told him this doctor would be happy to talk with him at > his convience. I also told this doctor my son had allergies that caused > some of his problems and that I had a leading pediatric allergist that > wished to call him and discuss my son's case, so I needed his number for > her to call him as I was sure he had my son's best interest at heart and > would want to avail himself of as much information as possible from the > many professionals who had worked with my son. This doctor said, " Who > are these doctors? I don't have to talk to anybody. If you don't come > down here and sign these papers, I will take your son to court, refuse > to accept him back here, and send him to a state hospital where he can > just rot. " Then he slammed the phone down on me. > > A few hours went by and he called me to tell me that if I didn't sign > these papers, he would send my son to a hospital so far away that I > would never see him again. I again told him that I was going to follow > the professional advice of my son's doctors and not sign these papers. > Then someone from the office called me to tell me that I had to come > down immediately and sign papers so they could keep him long enough to > have a commitment hearing. I live about an hour from the place and > couldn't make it in time. They asked if I was getting in my car. I > didn't get into my car. I didn't sign any papers. > > Friday night, someone called from the hospital and asked me, " Do you > wish for ____ (name of hospital) to treat your child? " This sounded > like a total set up as they had already told me they didn't have to get > my written permission, only my verbal permission over the phone. I > said, " No " . Now this is the strangest thing. Then they told me that if > I wouldn't allow them to treat my son, they could not keep my son. This > was just too easy, so I got very uneasy. They told me my son would be > ready for pick up by 7:30pm. I couldn't get there by then, so then they > said they had already discharged him and he would have to now be > re-admitted in order for them to keep him and I would have to sign > re-admitting papers. I live an hour from this place, so I couldn't get > there. Then they told me that if I didn't pick him up by 7:30pm, they > would have to re-admit him and I might not ever be able to get him again > as then it would be up to the doctor. > > On Saturday morning they called to tell me that if I didn't come down > there and pick him up, they were going to call Child Protective > Services. I told them that I was looking for the best care for my son > so that when I picked him up, I would have things ready for him that > would be in his best interest. I told them I could not do this over the > weekend. Then they told me he had to be picked up on Sunday. > > On Sunday, the doctor called to tell me my son was doing " surprisingly > well " , but that if I wouldn't let him treat my son, I would have to take > him. To this he added, " And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody didn't > call Child Protective Services, have them come knock on your door, and > take your child. Then I will be able to treat him. " > > Sunday afternoon I got a call from a social worker at the hospital. He > wanted to know if a family therapy session had been scheduled between my > son and me. I told him that I was scheduled to pick up my son at 10am > Monday morning and so I did not think we would be scheduling a session. > Then he said that he could schedule it after court. I had understood > that my son could not have a commitment hearing without my signing the > papers for it, so I told this man that I did not think my son was going > to court. It is still unclear about that. Finally this social worker > said he would like to offer me a family session if I would like. I > thanked him but told him that I had things set up for my son to > immediately be seen by his regular doctors and I would like to get him > there as quickly as possible as I felt that would be in the best > interest of my child. > I am planning to pick up my son at 10am tomorrow. I was told a few days > ago that I would have to sign a AMA (Against Medical Advice) form when I > picked him up. I was also told that I would have to sign re-admittance > papers as he had been readmitted when I couldn't get him on Friday > night. Then I was told he might not be discharged as that would then be > up to this doctor. > I have spoken with my son one time over the phone. He told me that all > over the place they have signs posted that say you do not have to take > any medicines offered to you and you do not have to participate and do > anything they ask of you. Then my son said, " But Mom, if you don't do > it, they put you in solitary confinement. Don't worry, Mom, because the > doctor says I'm one of the worse people here, so he has ordered a person > to be with me 24 hours a day, so when they put me in solitary > confinement, that person had to go in with me, too. That day the person > was one of the best people here. " My son told me that he had gone in > once because he refused to sign some papers they asked him to sign. > > What do you all think of this? > > I have one other question. If your child shows signs of OCD and the > only drug they want to give is Prozac or another SSRI, what do you do? > I cannot expect my son to make a spontaneous recovery, so if he acts up > again, gets violent and the police are called, it's going to be much > worse for them because I'm sure the next time they will make all efforts > needed to be sure they don't need my permission to do whatever they wish > to my child. > I have since read about Geodon. It's label says that it can cause > sudden death if you have a heart condition. When my son entered this > place, I told them that my mother had a heart condition and wore a pace > maker and that my only sibling had just died from a massive heart attack > this past June. The two drugs this doctor wanted to give my son were > both labeled as known killers for my son. Is the way they cure the > mentally ill now is to kill you? > What do you all think about this? > Merrie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 You have some truth there. He hates his father who really has been a creep to him. I have often thought that this has made him much like he is. I am no longer with his father because of this. I'm going to check into this more as there may be more there to look at for him. Merrie Re: My 16 yr old - forced into psych ward for Prozac & Geodon > His anger might be father related. No loving father makes for an > angry young man, often. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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