Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 I totally agree! www.alternativementalhealth.com is have all sorts of practitioners that can help. Best, Jim Guess I should have added that I don't agree with their advice either. It's just that when I needed help, they were the only ones I could find that offered help. Even if it was the wrong help. What I'm trying to say is, there are others who are simply looking for help and this is what they find - NAMI. If we could offer alternatives, a lot of these people could possible get headed in the right direction and faster. > > > > Maggs, > > > > I'm right there with Charlie! It's hard to get people to see and > your > > restraint was absolutely fantastic. I know I would feel an extreme > need to > > shout. People, especially those who have supported something that is > > questionable, will automatically become defensive to maintain > their " being > > right " . I've found that attacking them, which is the immediately > natural > > thing to do (and feels sooo good too!), will only entrench them > into a more > > defensive posture, which does not give them a chance to relook over > the new > > information and come to a new decision. > > > > Of course there are those, I call them the " NAMI people " who are > actively > > drugging their loved ones while refusing any other solution and also > > promoting unproven and deadly bio-psychiatry. They are hopeless > anyways so > > why waste good calories on them. > > > > Hope everything else is well with Nick and all your family. It's a > beautiful > > day here in Texas, I hope everyone enjoys their day today! > > > > Best, > > Jim > > > > > > First of all I am a sub-teacher. I was at work today, > > and talking about ADHD. I said that I would never put > > my children on medication for this. A teacher told me > > I was wrong, said it was " ...Just evening out the > > playing field " . I asked her if she heard about the > > heart problems associated with these drugs. Her reply > > floored me. She said " ..if the drugs caused heart > > problems they would have a cure for it by the time > > these kids are old enough for it to effect them " . I > > walked out of the lunch room. I needed to get out of > > there before I said something that could cost me my > > job. This is they type of teacher who would recommend > > drugging children in her care. She later came to my > > room and said she did think ADHD was " overly > > diagnosed " . Poor me, I thought teachers were > > intelegent. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 I totally agree! www.alternativementalhealth.com is have all sorts of practitioners that can help. Best, Jim Guess I should have added that I don't agree with their advice either. It's just that when I needed help, they were the only ones I could find that offered help. Even if it was the wrong help. What I'm trying to say is, there are others who are simply looking for help and this is what they find - NAMI. If we could offer alternatives, a lot of these people could possible get headed in the right direction and faster. > > > > Maggs, > > > > I'm right there with Charlie! It's hard to get people to see and > your > > restraint was absolutely fantastic. I know I would feel an extreme > need to > > shout. People, especially those who have supported something that is > > questionable, will automatically become defensive to maintain > their " being > > right " . I've found that attacking them, which is the immediately > natural > > thing to do (and feels sooo good too!), will only entrench them > into a more > > defensive posture, which does not give them a chance to relook over > the new > > information and come to a new decision. > > > > Of course there are those, I call them the " NAMI people " who are > actively > > drugging their loved ones while refusing any other solution and also > > promoting unproven and deadly bio-psychiatry. They are hopeless > anyways so > > why waste good calories on them. > > > > Hope everything else is well with Nick and all your family. It's a > beautiful > > day here in Texas, I hope everyone enjoys their day today! > > > > Best, > > Jim > > > > > > First of all I am a sub-teacher. I was at work today, > > and talking about ADHD. I said that I would never put > > my children on medication for this. A teacher told me > > I was wrong, said it was " ...Just evening out the > > playing field " . I asked her if she heard about the > > heart problems associated with these drugs. Her reply > > floored me. She said " ..if the drugs caused heart > > problems they would have a cure for it by the time > > these kids are old enough for it to effect them " . I > > walked out of the lunch room. I needed to get out of > > there before I said something that could cost me my > > job. This is they type of teacher who would recommend > > drugging children in her care. She later came to my > > room and said she did think ADHD was " overly > > diagnosed " . Poor me, I thought teachers were > > intelegent. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 I totally agree! www.alternativementalhealth.com is have all sorts of practitioners that can help. Best, Jim Guess I should have added that I don't agree with their advice either. It's just that when I needed help, they were the only ones I could find that offered help. Even if it was the wrong help. What I'm trying to say is, there are others who are simply looking for help and this is what they find - NAMI. If we could offer alternatives, a lot of these people could possible get headed in the right direction and faster. > > > > Maggs, > > > > I'm right there with Charlie! It's hard to get people to see and > your > > restraint was absolutely fantastic. I know I would feel an extreme > need to > > shout. People, especially those who have supported something that is > > questionable, will automatically become defensive to maintain > their " being > > right " . I've found that attacking them, which is the immediately > natural > > thing to do (and feels sooo good too!), will only entrench them > into a more > > defensive posture, which does not give them a chance to relook over > the new > > information and come to a new decision. > > > > Of course there are those, I call them the " NAMI people " who are > actively > > drugging their loved ones while refusing any other solution and also > > promoting unproven and deadly bio-psychiatry. They are hopeless > anyways so > > why waste good calories on them. > > > > Hope everything else is well with Nick and all your family. It's a > beautiful > > day here in Texas, I hope everyone enjoys their day today! > > > > Best, > > Jim > > > > > > First of all I am a sub-teacher. I was at work today, > > and talking about ADHD. I said that I would never put > > my children on medication for this. A teacher told me > > I was wrong, said it was " ...Just evening out the > > playing field " . I asked her if she heard about the > > heart problems associated with these drugs. Her reply > > floored me. She said " ..if the drugs caused heart > > problems they would have a cure for it by the time > > these kids are old enough for it to effect them " . I > > walked out of the lunch room. I needed to get out of > > there before I said something that could cost me my > > job. This is they type of teacher who would recommend > > drugging children in her care. She later came to my > > room and said she did think ADHD was " overly > > diagnosed " . Poor me, I thought teachers were > > intelegent. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 I doubt if most people on the local level have any idea that the organization has been pimped out to big pharma to use as they will. Charlie > > > > > > Maggs, > > > > > > I'm right there with Charlie! It's hard to get people to see and > > your > > > restraint was absolutely fantastic. I know I would feel an extreme > > need to > > > shout. People, especially those who have supported something that > is > > > questionable, will automatically become defensive to maintain > > their " being > > > right " . I've found that attacking them, which is the immediately > > natural > > > thing to do (and feels sooo good too!), will only entrench them > > into a more > > > defensive posture, which does not give them a chance to relook > over > > the new > > > information and come to a new decision. > > > > > > Of course there are those, I call them the " NAMI people " who are > > actively > > > drugging their loved ones while refusing any other solution and > also > > > promoting unproven and deadly bio-psychiatry. They are hopeless > > anyways so > > > why waste good calories on them. > > > > > > Hope everything else is well with Nick and all your family. It's a > > beautiful > > > day here in Texas, I hope everyone enjoys their day today! > > > > > > Best, > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > First of all I am a sub-teacher. I was at work today, > > > and talking about ADHD. I said that I would never put > > > my children on medication for this. A teacher told me > > > I was wrong, said it was " ...Just evening out the > > > playing field " . I asked her if she heard about the > > > heart problems associated with these drugs. Her reply > > > floored me. She said " ..if the drugs caused heart > > > problems they would have a cure for it by the time > > > these kids are old enough for it to effect them " . I > > > walked out of the lunch room. I needed to get out of > > > there before I said something that could cost me my > > > job. This is they type of teacher who would recommend > > > drugging children in her care. She later came to my > > > room and said she did think ADHD was " overly > > > diagnosed " . Poor me, I thought teachers were > > > intelegent. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 I agree. We got to make laws that force the doctors to explain all the side effects in plain English before they prescribe. I bet many would not take them. Jim I doubt if most people on the local level have any idea that the organization has been pimped out to big pharma to use as they will. Charlie > > > > > > Maggs, > > > > > > I'm right there with Charlie! It's hard to get people to see and > > your > > > restraint was absolutely fantastic. I know I would feel an extreme > > need to > > > shout. People, especially those who have supported something that > is > > > questionable, will automatically become defensive to maintain > > their " being > > > right " . I've found that attacking them, which is the immediately > > natural > > > thing to do (and feels sooo good too!), will only entrench them > > into a more > > > defensive posture, which does not give them a chance to relook > over > > the new > > > information and come to a new decision. > > > > > > Of course there are those, I call them the " NAMI people " who are > > actively > > > drugging their loved ones while refusing any other solution and > also > > > promoting unproven and deadly bio-psychiatry. They are hopeless > > anyways so > > > why waste good calories on them. > > > > > > Hope everything else is well with Nick and all your family. It's a > > beautiful > > > day here in Texas, I hope everyone enjoys their day today! > > > > > > Best, > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > First of all I am a sub-teacher. I was at work today, > > > and talking about ADHD. I said that I would never put > > > my children on medication for this. A teacher told me > > > I was wrong, said it was " ...Just evening out the > > > playing field " . I asked her if she heard about the > > > heart problems associated with these drugs. Her reply > > > floored me. She said " ..if the drugs caused heart > > > problems they would have a cure for it by the time > > > these kids are old enough for it to effect them " . I > > > walked out of the lunch room. I needed to get out of > > > there before I said something that could cost me my > > > job. This is they type of teacher who would recommend > > > drugging children in her care. She later came to my > > > room and said she did think ADHD was " overly > > > diagnosed " . Poor me, I thought teachers were > > > intelegent. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Dear , You said: << Jim, Maybe you shouldn't discount NAMI members so readily as unreachable. I used to belong to NAMI on the national level and went to the local meetings. Some members are just like I was, caught in the grips of psychotropic drugs. It's impossible to make rational decisions while on these drugs, especially when you don't realize the drugs are the cause. Once a person manages to somehow come out of the haze, rational thinking begins to step in again. If even one person had hinted to me that is was drugs causing my problem, a seed would have been planted. If more than one person had hinted, it might have tried to see if there was any truth to it. Please, please don't just decide a person is a lost cause simply because they belong to NAMI.>> ** While NAMI was originally founded for and by people who identified themselves as having a " mental illness " , it was long ago comandeered by families and the pharmaceutical industry . The power base in NAMI is where the money is. I've seen NAMI from its infancy to now. People like you are in NAMI are in the minority and do not function as a part of the power base. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 , I'm not IN NAMI, I used to belong. After I got hooked on drugs, I was told and believed that I had a mental illness. That's why I joined NAMI. I now know it was the drugs causing my " mental illness " and now disagree with NAMI. I believe the same thing happens to other people. Those are the ones that I think we should not give up on as unreachable, even if it is the minority. > > Jim, Maybe you shouldn't discount NAMI members so readily as > unreachable. I used to belong to NAMI on the national level and went > to the local meetings. Some members are just like I was, caught in > the grips of psychotropic drugs. It's impossible to make rational > decisions while on these drugs, especially when you don't realize the > drugs are the cause. Once a person manages to somehow come out of the > haze, rational thinking begins to step in again. If even one person > had hinted to me that is was drugs causing my problem, a seed would > have been planted. If more than one person had hinted, it might have > tried to see if there was any truth to it. Please, please don't just > decide a person is a lost cause simply because they belong to NAMI.>> > > > > ** While NAMI was originally founded for and by people who > identified themselves as having a " mental illness " , it was long ago > comandeered by families and the pharmaceutical industry . The power > base in NAMI is where the money is. I've seen NAMI from its infancy > to now. People like you are in NAMI are in the minority and do not > function as a part of the power base. > > > Regards, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I think we should not give up on as unreachable, even if it is the minority. I think you're right. We need to talk to the CEO's of the poison manufacturers if we get the oportunity and they'll listen. I sure wish someone had talked to me a few years ago. might have saved a lot of heartache. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I think we should not give up on as unreachable, even if it is the minority. I think you're right. We need to talk to the CEO's of the poison manufacturers if we get the oportunity and they'll listen. I sure wish someone had talked to me a few years ago. might have saved a lot of heartache. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I think we should not give up on as unreachable, even if it is the minority. I think you're right. We need to talk to the CEO's of the poison manufacturers if we get the oportunity and they'll listen. I sure wish someone had talked to me a few years ago. might have saved a lot of heartache. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I think we should not give up on as unreachable, even if it is the minority. I think you're right. We need to talk to the CEO's of the poison manufacturers if we get the oportunity and they'll listen. I sure wish someone had talked to me a few years ago. might have saved a lot of heartache. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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