Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Sorry, Jim, but neither hunting nor personal protection requires the ability to fire 30 rounds within a few seconds. Our founding fathers surely did not foresee such a capability when the Constitution was drafted. We do not need additional gun laws, though, as the 22k+ on the books now would suffice, if only enforced. It's a slippery slope some of our elected officials are proposing. To deny guns to, as I heard one propose, "anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental disorder" will disqualify MANY cops, federal agents, law-abiding citizens. I am a definite moderate on gun issues. Right-to-bear balanced with reason.TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Jim <mofunnow@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:07:07 -0600<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdown , Please understand most original settlers of America had guns forhunting and protection and are used to them and their kin do not want togive them upor the tradition.I grew up eating fresh meat and guns hung over the inside of mygrandfather's front door for easy reach on the way out.It's a part of life here for many but there are many who havenever held a gun also and don't care for them.In Arizona you can carry your AK-47 around on your shoulder or apistol on your beltor concealed with no training/certifications. I think you musthave some training in common sense handling of firearms or there will be preventable accidents.Add violence causing drugs and we get mass killings. Banning gunsor clip sizes is not looking at the real problem, it's justreducing more freedoms for the rest of us, a typical response.There can be extremists anywhere I guess but that's like thinkingall Irish were bombing British buildings and fighting with the IRA, it's just not so.JimOn 1/10/2011 4:15 PM, jeremy9282 wrote:TerryI've lived in N Ireland for more years than I care to remember & I haveseen sights during the troubles that leave an indelible mark, but thevast majority view of the people here is that they would not care to ownpersonal protection even if it were legal so to do.It is interesting to see, something I could have never predicted, thatthe extreemists have been brought in from the cold & now form part ofthe government.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=806381Noel Irwin Hentschel: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdownâ January 9, 2011 13:38:21The tragic and devastating attack in Tucson, Arizona on U.S.Representative le Giffords and other innocent victims includingthe killing of a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge was, sadly,preventable if the exceedingly ineffective mental health laws inAmericawere changed. America's mental health system is undeniably broken andmust be fixed to ensure that those who need treatment be required toreceive it for the safety and well being of society as a whole.If any good is to come out of this horrifying event it must be forlegislators on federal, state and local levels to undertake immediatein-depth hearings that lead to a definitive change of America's lawsfortreating mental health patients. Insurance companies must be requiredtoprovide the same health benefits for mental disease as they do for allother illnesses so that patients can be properly treated. Legislatorsmust publicly interview expert witnesses who deal on a daily basiswiththe overwhelmingly bureaucratic and legal obstacles in their effortstotry to help people with mental diseases. To this end, legislators mustlisten to family members, law enforcement, medical professionals andtheNational Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI); these are the ones whoknowthe solutions as well as the obstacles.As information of this chaotic episode, initially referred to asan"assassination attack," evolved and was shared by the media, mostpeoplerushed to the conclusion that either drug cartel gangsters orterroristsfrom Mexico, the Middle East or our own homegrown extremists wereresponsible. It was only when the perpetrator was finally identifiedasa young 22-year-old white male and his irrational Internet rants wereread that the media began to describe him as "one of the crazies" or"nuts."This label is particularly painful for those who are advocates forproactively treating people with mental disorders. Loughner'sclassmatesare reported as stating that he was "consistently disruptive in class"and "obviously very disturbed." Yet who reported this troublingbehaviorto any officials that could have tried to help him and what steps ifany, were taken, one must inquire. The bar is so high for provingsomeone is a threat to themselves or to others that they literallyhaveto already be in the middle of a horrendous act like this viciousattackfor law enforcement, family or medical professionals to be able toprovide treatment to the disturbed person. What a travesty of justicefor all concerned!Throughout the day the focus of the media was understandably onthecondition of Representative Giffords presuming that she was theprimarytarget which is probably why the main experts commenting, at leastinitially, have been from the FBI, Secret Service, Homeland Securityandother government officials as opposed to interviewing mental healthexperts to better understand the how and why this happened. Mentalillness may not be an excuse for crimes but it certainly can be whatcaused and motivated someone to commit a crime if the person goesuntreated. Begging one to consider who is ultimately responsible forthese heinous acts and to discuss if there is any culpability by thosethat ignore the dire need and calamitous consequences of leaving thecurrent mental health laws we have unchanged.There is a critical breakdown of mental health care in Americabecause it is not considered a disease that is popular to address andthere is a definite stigma attached to admitting mental illness. Wecanand must do something about it before more innocent lives are lostincluding the lives of the sick and untreated, some who may becomeperpetrators of crimes. Laws must be enacted that allow for thehospitalization and proper medical treatment for the amount of timenecessary for recovery followed by compassionate care in aprofessionallocked or unlocked facility depending on the condition of the patientuntil they are able to function in society and they should be assistedto become a contributing member of the community.Seventy-two hours, 14 days or even 30 days is not adequate fortreating mental health or substance abuse patients, so they constantlyare walking through a revolving door. One of those revolving doors forasick person can be into a local market armed with violent thoughts,until we change the laws. There must be legal avenues that are notonerous and debilitating emotionally and financially for families tohelp their loved ones. It is critical that there be ongoingcounseling,therapy and monitoring of the compliance of proper medication beingtaken by the patient to treat the chemical imbalance that causesmentaldiseases such as schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder and bi-polardisorder. For the record, many times this chemical imbalance istriggered by the use of illegal drugs -- especially marijuana andecstasy are culprits particularly if there is any hereditarypre-disposition according to in-depth studies and analysis by leadingpsychiatrists in Switzerland and Germany. It's worth noting thatLoughner is reported to have a long history of marijuana use. Anothercountry with a long history of how the mental health system shouldworkis Ireland where there are a high proportion of families who havelovedones with a mental disease. I have participated in numerousconferenceswith the most respected psychiatrists in these countries and havefoundtheir experience to be enormously helpful for America to embrace.According to mental health professional and expert F. FullerTorreyin his 2008 research book called The Insanity Defense: How America'sFailure to Treat the Seriously Mentally Ill Endangers Its Citizens weare informed that 4,000,000 Americans are believed to have severepsychiatric disorders with a subset of 400,000 homeless and untreatednot complying with their needed medications and another sub-sub set of40,000 considered the most dangerous, not being treated or taking medsand demonstrating very violent behavior. This count does not includethevast numbers who are not properly diagnosed in our nation.Prisons have become the new mental health institutions acrossAmerica. A perfect example of this is the Twin Towers Jail in downtownLos Angeles. It was built in recent years to house prisoners butinsteadit is the solution for housing patients that have committed crimesbecause they are free to do so of their own volition instead of beingrequired to comply with mental health treatment. There are more than100,000 people living on the streets of Los Angeles that are homeless.Recent studies undertaken by U.S.C. and provided by First AME ChurchinLos Angeles indicate that more than half of these fellow citizensshouldbe in health care facilities being treated for mental disease, drugaddiction and substance abuse.For as long as I can remember I have worked to help those withmental diseases and addictions both within my family as well as caringfor those who are on the streets. I have personally witnessed everyaspect of the mental health debacle in California and in our nationfromthe nineteen sixties until today including the defunding and the pleasfor help by the people and families affected directly by it.Unfortunately, the overwhelming consensus by these distressedfamilies,frustrated law enforcement and medical field professionals is that theACLU by fighting and providing funding for laws that supposedlyprotectthe rights of those afflicted with mental diseases have actually donemore to ruin their lives than to help them.Funding for mental health, or more accurately the lack of fundingfor it, is one of the major hurdles that must be overcome. Ournation'seconomic woes make it an even greater challenge for the 112th Congressthat Speaker of the House Boehner recently swore RepresentativeGiffordsin to serve. However as a nation with a conscience if we do NOT investthe time and resources on the critical breakdown of mental health carein America, today's violent tragedy in Arizona will be repeatedsomewhere else, in some way, tomorrow and the day after until wechangethe laws. The mental health researcher Torrey points to the killing offormer Congressman Allard Lowenstein on March 12, 1980 by Stanfordgraduate Dennis Sweeney who shot him and was diagnosed with paranoidschizophrenia but left untreated.As a businessperson, I know what it means to make tough fiscalchoices and as a mother I know what it mean to use "tough love"measures. We need new legislation that encompasses both of theseconsiderations. For the families who lost their loved ones and tothosewho found theirs injured, our thoughts and prayers are with them. Wecontinue to pray for le Giffords, whose recovery thus far froma"bullet to the brain" is nothing short of miraculous. We should alsoconvey our sympathy for the family of Loughner who may have seenthe signs of his illness as illustrated in his delusional rants andnonsensical ramblings on the internet but like all who have tried tohelp loved ones, they may have found it to be disheartening andimpossible until the critical breakdown of America's mental healthcareis addressed and the laws are changed to protect the victims andpro-actively treat the sick perpetrator.There were many heroic efforts in Tucson of people helping to savelives and comfort the afflicted as a result of this tragedy; hopefullythese words from The Book of Job are an inspirational reminder duringthis time of deep sadness in Arizona and across America:"When I smiled on them they were reassured; mourners took comfortfrom my cheerful glance, I chose out their way and presided; I took aking's place in the armed forces. Whoever heard of me blessed me;thosewho saw me commended me. For I rescued the poor who cried out forhelp,the orphans, and the unassisted; The blessing of those in extremitycameupon me, and the heart of the widow I made joyful. I wore my honestylike a garment; justice was my robe and my turban. I was eyes to theblind, and feet to the lame was I; (Job 29:24-25,11-15)."Noel Irwin Hentschel serves on the Board of Governors ofCedars-Sinai Hospital, Los Angeles and is a former Advisory BoardMemberfor Mental Health for the U.K. Royal Society of Medicine. She isChair/CEO of Americantours International and The Noel Foundation basedin Los Angeles with offices throughout North America and China andhumanitarian programs in 70 countries. She specializes in WorldReligions and Global Ethics at the Franciscan School of Theology.Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Sorry, Jim, but neither hunting nor personal protection requires the ability to fire 30 rounds within a few seconds. Our founding fathers surely did not foresee such a capability when the Constitution was drafted. We do not need additional gun laws, though, as the 22k+ on the books now would suffice, if only enforced. It's a slippery slope some of our elected officials are proposing. To deny guns to, as I heard one propose, "anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental disorder" will disqualify MANY cops, federal agents, law-abiding citizens. I am a definite moderate on gun issues. Right-to-bear balanced with reason.TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Jim <mofunnow@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:07:07 -0600<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdown , Please understand most original settlers of America had guns forhunting and protection and are used to them and their kin do not want togive them upor the tradition.I grew up eating fresh meat and guns hung over the inside of mygrandfather's front door for easy reach on the way out.It's a part of life here for many but there are many who havenever held a gun also and don't care for them.In Arizona you can carry your AK-47 around on your shoulder or apistol on your beltor concealed with no training/certifications. I think you musthave some training in common sense handling of firearms or there will be preventable accidents.Add violence causing drugs and we get mass killings. Banning gunsor clip sizes is not looking at the real problem, it's justreducing more freedoms for the rest of us, a typical response.There can be extremists anywhere I guess but that's like thinkingall Irish were bombing British buildings and fighting with the IRA, it's just not so.JimOn 1/10/2011 4:15 PM, jeremy9282 wrote:TerryI've lived in N Ireland for more years than I care to remember & I haveseen sights during the troubles that leave an indelible mark, but thevast majority view of the people here is that they would not care to ownpersonal protection even if it were legal so to do.It is interesting to see, something I could have never predicted, thatthe extreemists have been brought in from the cold & now form part ofthe government.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=806381Noel Irwin Hentschel: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdownâ January 9, 2011 13:38:21The tragic and devastating attack in Tucson, Arizona on U.S.Representative le Giffords and other innocent victims includingthe killing of a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge was, sadly,preventable if the exceedingly ineffective mental health laws inAmericawere changed. America's mental health system is undeniably broken andmust be fixed to ensure that those who need treatment be required toreceive it for the safety and well being of society as a whole.If any good is to come out of this horrifying event it must be forlegislators on federal, state and local levels to undertake immediatein-depth hearings that lead to a definitive change of America's lawsfortreating mental health patients. Insurance companies must be requiredtoprovide the same health benefits for mental disease as they do for allother illnesses so that patients can be properly treated. Legislatorsmust publicly interview expert witnesses who deal on a daily basiswiththe overwhelmingly bureaucratic and legal obstacles in their effortstotry to help people with mental diseases. To this end, legislators mustlisten to family members, law enforcement, medical professionals andtheNational Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI); these are the ones whoknowthe solutions as well as the obstacles.As information of this chaotic episode, initially referred to asan"assassination attack," evolved and was shared by the media, mostpeoplerushed to the conclusion that either drug cartel gangsters orterroristsfrom Mexico, the Middle East or our own homegrown extremists wereresponsible. It was only when the perpetrator was finally identifiedasa young 22-year-old white male and his irrational Internet rants wereread that the media began to describe him as "one of the crazies" or"nuts."This label is particularly painful for those who are advocates forproactively treating people with mental disorders. Loughner'sclassmatesare reported as stating that he was "consistently disruptive in class"and "obviously very disturbed." Yet who reported this troublingbehaviorto any officials that could have tried to help him and what steps ifany, were taken, one must inquire. The bar is so high for provingsomeone is a threat to themselves or to others that they literallyhaveto already be in the middle of a horrendous act like this viciousattackfor law enforcement, family or medical professionals to be able toprovide treatment to the disturbed person. What a travesty of justicefor all concerned!Throughout the day the focus of the media was understandably onthecondition of Representative Giffords presuming that she was theprimarytarget which is probably why the main experts commenting, at leastinitially, have been from the FBI, Secret Service, Homeland Securityandother government officials as opposed to interviewing mental healthexperts to better understand the how and why this happened. Mentalillness may not be an excuse for crimes but it certainly can be whatcaused and motivated someone to commit a crime if the person goesuntreated. Begging one to consider who is ultimately responsible forthese heinous acts and to discuss if there is any culpability by thosethat ignore the dire need and calamitous consequences of leaving thecurrent mental health laws we have unchanged.There is a critical breakdown of mental health care in Americabecause it is not considered a disease that is popular to address andthere is a definite stigma attached to admitting mental illness. Wecanand must do something about it before more innocent lives are lostincluding the lives of the sick and untreated, some who may becomeperpetrators of crimes. Laws must be enacted that allow for thehospitalization and proper medical treatment for the amount of timenecessary for recovery followed by compassionate care in aprofessionallocked or unlocked facility depending on the condition of the patientuntil they are able to function in society and they should be assistedto become a contributing member of the community.Seventy-two hours, 14 days or even 30 days is not adequate fortreating mental health or substance abuse patients, so they constantlyare walking through a revolving door. One of those revolving doors forasick person can be into a local market armed with violent thoughts,until we change the laws. There must be legal avenues that are notonerous and debilitating emotionally and financially for families tohelp their loved ones. It is critical that there be ongoingcounseling,therapy and monitoring of the compliance of proper medication beingtaken by the patient to treat the chemical imbalance that causesmentaldiseases such as schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder and bi-polardisorder. For the record, many times this chemical imbalance istriggered by the use of illegal drugs -- especially marijuana andecstasy are culprits particularly if there is any hereditarypre-disposition according to in-depth studies and analysis by leadingpsychiatrists in Switzerland and Germany. It's worth noting thatLoughner is reported to have a long history of marijuana use. Anothercountry with a long history of how the mental health system shouldworkis Ireland where there are a high proportion of families who havelovedones with a mental disease. I have participated in numerousconferenceswith the most respected psychiatrists in these countries and havefoundtheir experience to be enormously helpful for America to embrace.According to mental health professional and expert F. FullerTorreyin his 2008 research book called The Insanity Defense: How America'sFailure to Treat the Seriously Mentally Ill Endangers Its Citizens weare informed that 4,000,000 Americans are believed to have severepsychiatric disorders with a subset of 400,000 homeless and untreatednot complying with their needed medications and another sub-sub set of40,000 considered the most dangerous, not being treated or taking medsand demonstrating very violent behavior. This count does not includethevast numbers who are not properly diagnosed in our nation.Prisons have become the new mental health institutions acrossAmerica. A perfect example of this is the Twin Towers Jail in downtownLos Angeles. It was built in recent years to house prisoners butinsteadit is the solution for housing patients that have committed crimesbecause they are free to do so of their own volition instead of beingrequired to comply with mental health treatment. There are more than100,000 people living on the streets of Los Angeles that are homeless.Recent studies undertaken by U.S.C. and provided by First AME ChurchinLos Angeles indicate that more than half of these fellow citizensshouldbe in health care facilities being treated for mental disease, drugaddiction and substance abuse.For as long as I can remember I have worked to help those withmental diseases and addictions both within my family as well as caringfor those who are on the streets. I have personally witnessed everyaspect of the mental health debacle in California and in our nationfromthe nineteen sixties until today including the defunding and the pleasfor help by the people and families affected directly by it.Unfortunately, the overwhelming consensus by these distressedfamilies,frustrated law enforcement and medical field professionals is that theACLU by fighting and providing funding for laws that supposedlyprotectthe rights of those afflicted with mental diseases have actually donemore to ruin their lives than to help them.Funding for mental health, or more accurately the lack of fundingfor it, is one of the major hurdles that must be overcome. Ournation'seconomic woes make it an even greater challenge for the 112th Congressthat Speaker of the House Boehner recently swore RepresentativeGiffordsin to serve. However as a nation with a conscience if we do NOT investthe time and resources on the critical breakdown of mental health carein America, today's violent tragedy in Arizona will be repeatedsomewhere else, in some way, tomorrow and the day after until wechangethe laws. The mental health researcher Torrey points to the killing offormer Congressman Allard Lowenstein on March 12, 1980 by Stanfordgraduate Dennis Sweeney who shot him and was diagnosed with paranoidschizophrenia but left untreated.As a businessperson, I know what it means to make tough fiscalchoices and as a mother I know what it mean to use "tough love"measures. We need new legislation that encompasses both of theseconsiderations. For the families who lost their loved ones and tothosewho found theirs injured, our thoughts and prayers are with them. Wecontinue to pray for le Giffords, whose recovery thus far froma"bullet to the brain" is nothing short of miraculous. We should alsoconvey our sympathy for the family of Loughner who may have seenthe signs of his illness as illustrated in his delusional rants andnonsensical ramblings on the internet but like all who have tried tohelp loved ones, they may have found it to be disheartening andimpossible until the critical breakdown of America's mental healthcareis addressed and the laws are changed to protect the victims andpro-actively treat the sick perpetrator.There were many heroic efforts in Tucson of people helping to savelives and comfort the afflicted as a result of this tragedy; hopefullythese words from The Book of Job are an inspirational reminder duringthis time of deep sadness in Arizona and across America:"When I smiled on them they were reassured; mourners took comfortfrom my cheerful glance, I chose out their way and presided; I took aking's place in the armed forces. Whoever heard of me blessed me;thosewho saw me commended me. For I rescued the poor who cried out forhelp,the orphans, and the unassisted; The blessing of those in extremitycameupon me, and the heart of the widow I made joyful. I wore my honestylike a garment; justice was my robe and my turban. I was eyes to theblind, and feet to the lame was I; (Job 29:24-25,11-15)."Noel Irwin Hentschel serves on the Board of Governors ofCedars-Sinai Hospital, Los Angeles and is a former Advisory BoardMemberfor Mental Health for the U.K. Royal Society of Medicine. She isChair/CEO of Americantours International and The Noel Foundation basedin Los Angeles with offices throughout North America and China andhumanitarian programs in 70 countries. She specializes in WorldReligions and Global Ethics at the Franciscan School of Theology.Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Sorry, Jim, but neither hunting nor personal protection requires the ability to fire 30 rounds within a few seconds. Our founding fathers surely did not foresee such a capability when the Constitution was drafted. We do not need additional gun laws, though, as the 22k+ on the books now would suffice, if only enforced. It's a slippery slope some of our elected officials are proposing. To deny guns to, as I heard one propose, "anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental disorder" will disqualify MANY cops, federal agents, law-abiding citizens. I am a definite moderate on gun issues. Right-to-bear balanced with reason.TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Jim <mofunnow@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:07:07 -0600<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdown , Please understand most original settlers of America had guns forhunting and protection and are used to them and their kin do not want togive them upor the tradition.I grew up eating fresh meat and guns hung over the inside of mygrandfather's front door for easy reach on the way out.It's a part of life here for many but there are many who havenever held a gun also and don't care for them.In Arizona you can carry your AK-47 around on your shoulder or apistol on your beltor concealed with no training/certifications. I think you musthave some training in common sense handling of firearms or there will be preventable accidents.Add violence causing drugs and we get mass killings. Banning gunsor clip sizes is not looking at the real problem, it's justreducing more freedoms for the rest of us, a typical response.There can be extremists anywhere I guess but that's like thinkingall Irish were bombing British buildings and fighting with the IRA, it's just not so.JimOn 1/10/2011 4:15 PM, jeremy9282 wrote:TerryI've lived in N Ireland for more years than I care to remember & I haveseen sights during the troubles that leave an indelible mark, but thevast majority view of the people here is that they would not care to ownpersonal protection even if it were legal so to do.It is interesting to see, something I could have never predicted, thatthe extreemists have been brought in from the cold & now form part ofthe government.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=806381Noel Irwin Hentschel: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdownâ January 9, 2011 13:38:21The tragic and devastating attack in Tucson, Arizona on U.S.Representative le Giffords and other innocent victims includingthe killing of a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge was, sadly,preventable if the exceedingly ineffective mental health laws inAmericawere changed. America's mental health system is undeniably broken andmust be fixed to ensure that those who need treatment be required toreceive it for the safety and well being of society as a whole.If any good is to come out of this horrifying event it must be forlegislators on federal, state and local levels to undertake immediatein-depth hearings that lead to a definitive change of America's lawsfortreating mental health patients. Insurance companies must be requiredtoprovide the same health benefits for mental disease as they do for allother illnesses so that patients can be properly treated. Legislatorsmust publicly interview expert witnesses who deal on a daily basiswiththe overwhelmingly bureaucratic and legal obstacles in their effortstotry to help people with mental diseases. To this end, legislators mustlisten to family members, law enforcement, medical professionals andtheNational Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI); these are the ones whoknowthe solutions as well as the obstacles.As information of this chaotic episode, initially referred to asan"assassination attack," evolved and was shared by the media, mostpeoplerushed to the conclusion that either drug cartel gangsters orterroristsfrom Mexico, the Middle East or our own homegrown extremists wereresponsible. It was only when the perpetrator was finally identifiedasa young 22-year-old white male and his irrational Internet rants wereread that the media began to describe him as "one of the crazies" or"nuts."This label is particularly painful for those who are advocates forproactively treating people with mental disorders. Loughner'sclassmatesare reported as stating that he was "consistently disruptive in class"and "obviously very disturbed." Yet who reported this troublingbehaviorto any officials that could have tried to help him and what steps ifany, were taken, one must inquire. The bar is so high for provingsomeone is a threat to themselves or to others that they literallyhaveto already be in the middle of a horrendous act like this viciousattackfor law enforcement, family or medical professionals to be able toprovide treatment to the disturbed person. What a travesty of justicefor all concerned!Throughout the day the focus of the media was understandably onthecondition of Representative Giffords presuming that she was theprimarytarget which is probably why the main experts commenting, at leastinitially, have been from the FBI, Secret Service, Homeland Securityandother government officials as opposed to interviewing mental healthexperts to better understand the how and why this happened. Mentalillness may not be an excuse for crimes but it certainly can be whatcaused and motivated someone to commit a crime if the person goesuntreated. Begging one to consider who is ultimately responsible forthese heinous acts and to discuss if there is any culpability by thosethat ignore the dire need and calamitous consequences of leaving thecurrent mental health laws we have unchanged.There is a critical breakdown of mental health care in Americabecause it is not considered a disease that is popular to address andthere is a definite stigma attached to admitting mental illness. Wecanand must do something about it before more innocent lives are lostincluding the lives of the sick and untreated, some who may becomeperpetrators of crimes. Laws must be enacted that allow for thehospitalization and proper medical treatment for the amount of timenecessary for recovery followed by compassionate care in aprofessionallocked or unlocked facility depending on the condition of the patientuntil they are able to function in society and they should be assistedto become a contributing member of the community.Seventy-two hours, 14 days or even 30 days is not adequate fortreating mental health or substance abuse patients, so they constantlyare walking through a revolving door. One of those revolving doors forasick person can be into a local market armed with violent thoughts,until we change the laws. There must be legal avenues that are notonerous and debilitating emotionally and financially for families tohelp their loved ones. It is critical that there be ongoingcounseling,therapy and monitoring of the compliance of proper medication beingtaken by the patient to treat the chemical imbalance that causesmentaldiseases such as schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder and bi-polardisorder. For the record, many times this chemical imbalance istriggered by the use of illegal drugs -- especially marijuana andecstasy are culprits particularly if there is any hereditarypre-disposition according to in-depth studies and analysis by leadingpsychiatrists in Switzerland and Germany. It's worth noting thatLoughner is reported to have a long history of marijuana use. Anothercountry with a long history of how the mental health system shouldworkis Ireland where there are a high proportion of families who havelovedones with a mental disease. I have participated in numerousconferenceswith the most respected psychiatrists in these countries and havefoundtheir experience to be enormously helpful for America to embrace.According to mental health professional and expert F. FullerTorreyin his 2008 research book called The Insanity Defense: How America'sFailure to Treat the Seriously Mentally Ill Endangers Its Citizens weare informed that 4,000,000 Americans are believed to have severepsychiatric disorders with a subset of 400,000 homeless and untreatednot complying with their needed medications and another sub-sub set of40,000 considered the most dangerous, not being treated or taking medsand demonstrating very violent behavior. This count does not includethevast numbers who are not properly diagnosed in our nation.Prisons have become the new mental health institutions acrossAmerica. A perfect example of this is the Twin Towers Jail in downtownLos Angeles. It was built in recent years to house prisoners butinsteadit is the solution for housing patients that have committed crimesbecause they are free to do so of their own volition instead of beingrequired to comply with mental health treatment. There are more than100,000 people living on the streets of Los Angeles that are homeless.Recent studies undertaken by U.S.C. and provided by First AME ChurchinLos Angeles indicate that more than half of these fellow citizensshouldbe in health care facilities being treated for mental disease, drugaddiction and substance abuse.For as long as I can remember I have worked to help those withmental diseases and addictions both within my family as well as caringfor those who are on the streets. I have personally witnessed everyaspect of the mental health debacle in California and in our nationfromthe nineteen sixties until today including the defunding and the pleasfor help by the people and families affected directly by it.Unfortunately, the overwhelming consensus by these distressedfamilies,frustrated law enforcement and medical field professionals is that theACLU by fighting and providing funding for laws that supposedlyprotectthe rights of those afflicted with mental diseases have actually donemore to ruin their lives than to help them.Funding for mental health, or more accurately the lack of fundingfor it, is one of the major hurdles that must be overcome. Ournation'seconomic woes make it an even greater challenge for the 112th Congressthat Speaker of the House Boehner recently swore RepresentativeGiffordsin to serve. However as a nation with a conscience if we do NOT investthe time and resources on the critical breakdown of mental health carein America, today's violent tragedy in Arizona will be repeatedsomewhere else, in some way, tomorrow and the day after until wechangethe laws. The mental health researcher Torrey points to the killing offormer Congressman Allard Lowenstein on March 12, 1980 by Stanfordgraduate Dennis Sweeney who shot him and was diagnosed with paranoidschizophrenia but left untreated.As a businessperson, I know what it means to make tough fiscalchoices and as a mother I know what it mean to use "tough love"measures. We need new legislation that encompasses both of theseconsiderations. For the families who lost their loved ones and tothosewho found theirs injured, our thoughts and prayers are with them. Wecontinue to pray for le Giffords, whose recovery thus far froma"bullet to the brain" is nothing short of miraculous. We should alsoconvey our sympathy for the family of Loughner who may have seenthe signs of his illness as illustrated in his delusional rants andnonsensical ramblings on the internet but like all who have tried tohelp loved ones, they may have found it to be disheartening andimpossible until the critical breakdown of America's mental healthcareis addressed and the laws are changed to protect the victims andpro-actively treat the sick perpetrator.There were many heroic efforts in Tucson of people helping to savelives and comfort the afflicted as a result of this tragedy; hopefullythese words from The Book of Job are an inspirational reminder duringthis time of deep sadness in Arizona and across America:"When I smiled on them they were reassured; mourners took comfortfrom my cheerful glance, I chose out their way and presided; I took aking's place in the armed forces. Whoever heard of me blessed me;thosewho saw me commended me. For I rescued the poor who cried out forhelp,the orphans, and the unassisted; The blessing of those in extremitycameupon me, and the heart of the widow I made joyful. I wore my honestylike a garment; justice was my robe and my turban. I was eyes to theblind, and feet to the lame was I; (Job 29:24-25,11-15)."Noel Irwin Hentschel serves on the Board of Governors ofCedars-Sinai Hospital, Los Angeles and is a former Advisory BoardMemberfor Mental Health for the U.K. Royal Society of Medicine. She isChair/CEO of Americantours International and The Noel Foundation basedin Los Angeles with offices throughout North America and China andhumanitarian programs in 70 countries. She specializes in WorldReligions and Global Ethics at the Franciscan School of Theology.Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Sorry, Jim, but neither hunting nor personal protection requires the ability to fire 30 rounds within a few seconds. Our founding fathers surely did not foresee such a capability when the Constitution was drafted. We do not need additional gun laws, though, as the 22k+ on the books now would suffice, if only enforced. It's a slippery slope some of our elected officials are proposing. To deny guns to, as I heard one propose, "anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental disorder" will disqualify MANY cops, federal agents, law-abiding citizens. I am a definite moderate on gun issues. Right-to-bear balanced with reason.TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Jim <mofunnow@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:07:07 -0600<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdown , Please understand most original settlers of America had guns forhunting and protection and are used to them and their kin do not want togive them upor the tradition.I grew up eating fresh meat and guns hung over the inside of mygrandfather's front door for easy reach on the way out.It's a part of life here for many but there are many who havenever held a gun also and don't care for them.In Arizona you can carry your AK-47 around on your shoulder or apistol on your beltor concealed with no training/certifications. I think you musthave some training in common sense handling of firearms or there will be preventable accidents.Add violence causing drugs and we get mass killings. Banning gunsor clip sizes is not looking at the real problem, it's justreducing more freedoms for the rest of us, a typical response.There can be extremists anywhere I guess but that's like thinkingall Irish were bombing British buildings and fighting with the IRA, it's just not so.JimOn 1/10/2011 4:15 PM, jeremy9282 wrote:TerryI've lived in N Ireland for more years than I care to remember & I haveseen sights during the troubles that leave an indelible mark, but thevast majority view of the people here is that they would not care to ownpersonal protection even if it were legal so to do.It is interesting to see, something I could have never predicted, thatthe extreemists have been brought in from the cold & now form part ofthe government.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=806381Noel Irwin Hentschel: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdownâ January 9, 2011 13:38:21The tragic and devastating attack in Tucson, Arizona on U.S.Representative le Giffords and other innocent victims includingthe killing of a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge was, sadly,preventable if the exceedingly ineffective mental health laws inAmericawere changed. America's mental health system is undeniably broken andmust be fixed to ensure that those who need treatment be required toreceive it for the safety and well being of society as a whole.If any good is to come out of this horrifying event it must be forlegislators on federal, state and local levels to undertake immediatein-depth hearings that lead to a definitive change of America's lawsfortreating mental health patients. Insurance companies must be requiredtoprovide the same health benefits for mental disease as they do for allother illnesses so that patients can be properly treated. Legislatorsmust publicly interview expert witnesses who deal on a daily basiswiththe overwhelmingly bureaucratic and legal obstacles in their effortstotry to help people with mental diseases. To this end, legislators mustlisten to family members, law enforcement, medical professionals andtheNational Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI); these are the ones whoknowthe solutions as well as the obstacles.As information of this chaotic episode, initially referred to asan"assassination attack," evolved and was shared by the media, mostpeoplerushed to the conclusion that either drug cartel gangsters orterroristsfrom Mexico, the Middle East or our own homegrown extremists wereresponsible. It was only when the perpetrator was finally identifiedasa young 22-year-old white male and his irrational Internet rants wereread that the media began to describe him as "one of the crazies" or"nuts."This label is particularly painful for those who are advocates forproactively treating people with mental disorders. Loughner'sclassmatesare reported as stating that he was "consistently disruptive in class"and "obviously very disturbed." Yet who reported this troublingbehaviorto any officials that could have tried to help him and what steps ifany, were taken, one must inquire. The bar is so high for provingsomeone is a threat to themselves or to others that they literallyhaveto already be in the middle of a horrendous act like this viciousattackfor law enforcement, family or medical professionals to be able toprovide treatment to the disturbed person. What a travesty of justicefor all concerned!Throughout the day the focus of the media was understandably onthecondition of Representative Giffords presuming that she was theprimarytarget which is probably why the main experts commenting, at leastinitially, have been from the FBI, Secret Service, Homeland Securityandother government officials as opposed to interviewing mental healthexperts to better understand the how and why this happened. Mentalillness may not be an excuse for crimes but it certainly can be whatcaused and motivated someone to commit a crime if the person goesuntreated. Begging one to consider who is ultimately responsible forthese heinous acts and to discuss if there is any culpability by thosethat ignore the dire need and calamitous consequences of leaving thecurrent mental health laws we have unchanged.There is a critical breakdown of mental health care in Americabecause it is not considered a disease that is popular to address andthere is a definite stigma attached to admitting mental illness. Wecanand must do something about it before more innocent lives are lostincluding the lives of the sick and untreated, some who may becomeperpetrators of crimes. Laws must be enacted that allow for thehospitalization and proper medical treatment for the amount of timenecessary for recovery followed by compassionate care in aprofessionallocked or unlocked facility depending on the condition of the patientuntil they are able to function in society and they should be assistedto become a contributing member of the community.Seventy-two hours, 14 days or even 30 days is not adequate fortreating mental health or substance abuse patients, so they constantlyare walking through a revolving door. One of those revolving doors forasick person can be into a local market armed with violent thoughts,until we change the laws. There must be legal avenues that are notonerous and debilitating emotionally and financially for families tohelp their loved ones. It is critical that there be ongoingcounseling,therapy and monitoring of the compliance of proper medication beingtaken by the patient to treat the chemical imbalance that causesmentaldiseases such as schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder and bi-polardisorder. For the record, many times this chemical imbalance istriggered by the use of illegal drugs -- especially marijuana andecstasy are culprits particularly if there is any hereditarypre-disposition according to in-depth studies and analysis by leadingpsychiatrists in Switzerland and Germany. It's worth noting thatLoughner is reported to have a long history of marijuana use. Anothercountry with a long history of how the mental health system shouldworkis Ireland where there are a high proportion of families who havelovedones with a mental disease. I have participated in numerousconferenceswith the most respected psychiatrists in these countries and havefoundtheir experience to be enormously helpful for America to embrace.According to mental health professional and expert F. FullerTorreyin his 2008 research book called The Insanity Defense: How America'sFailure to Treat the Seriously Mentally Ill Endangers Its Citizens weare informed that 4,000,000 Americans are believed to have severepsychiatric disorders with a subset of 400,000 homeless and untreatednot complying with their needed medications and another sub-sub set of40,000 considered the most dangerous, not being treated or taking medsand demonstrating very violent behavior. This count does not includethevast numbers who are not properly diagnosed in our nation.Prisons have become the new mental health institutions acrossAmerica. A perfect example of this is the Twin Towers Jail in downtownLos Angeles. It was built in recent years to house prisoners butinsteadit is the solution for housing patients that have committed crimesbecause they are free to do so of their own volition instead of beingrequired to comply with mental health treatment. There are more than100,000 people living on the streets of Los Angeles that are homeless.Recent studies undertaken by U.S.C. and provided by First AME ChurchinLos Angeles indicate that more than half of these fellow citizensshouldbe in health care facilities being treated for mental disease, drugaddiction and substance abuse.For as long as I can remember I have worked to help those withmental diseases and addictions both within my family as well as caringfor those who are on the streets. I have personally witnessed everyaspect of the mental health debacle in California and in our nationfromthe nineteen sixties until today including the defunding and the pleasfor help by the people and families affected directly by it.Unfortunately, the overwhelming consensus by these distressedfamilies,frustrated law enforcement and medical field professionals is that theACLU by fighting and providing funding for laws that supposedlyprotectthe rights of those afflicted with mental diseases have actually donemore to ruin their lives than to help them.Funding for mental health, or more accurately the lack of fundingfor it, is one of the major hurdles that must be overcome. Ournation'seconomic woes make it an even greater challenge for the 112th Congressthat Speaker of the House Boehner recently swore RepresentativeGiffordsin to serve. However as a nation with a conscience if we do NOT investthe time and resources on the critical breakdown of mental health carein America, today's violent tragedy in Arizona will be repeatedsomewhere else, in some way, tomorrow and the day after until wechangethe laws. The mental health researcher Torrey points to the killing offormer Congressman Allard Lowenstein on March 12, 1980 by Stanfordgraduate Dennis Sweeney who shot him and was diagnosed with paranoidschizophrenia but left untreated.As a businessperson, I know what it means to make tough fiscalchoices and as a mother I know what it mean to use "tough love"measures. We need new legislation that encompasses both of theseconsiderations. For the families who lost their loved ones and tothosewho found theirs injured, our thoughts and prayers are with them. Wecontinue to pray for le Giffords, whose recovery thus far froma"bullet to the brain" is nothing short of miraculous. We should alsoconvey our sympathy for the family of Loughner who may have seenthe signs of his illness as illustrated in his delusional rants andnonsensical ramblings on the internet but like all who have tried tohelp loved ones, they may have found it to be disheartening andimpossible until the critical breakdown of America's mental healthcareis addressed and the laws are changed to protect the victims andpro-actively treat the sick perpetrator.There were many heroic efforts in Tucson of people helping to savelives and comfort the afflicted as a result of this tragedy; hopefullythese words from The Book of Job are an inspirational reminder duringthis time of deep sadness in Arizona and across America:"When I smiled on them they were reassured; mourners took comfortfrom my cheerful glance, I chose out their way and presided; I took aking's place in the armed forces. Whoever heard of me blessed me;thosewho saw me commended me. For I rescued the poor who cried out forhelp,the orphans, and the unassisted; The blessing of those in extremitycameupon me, and the heart of the widow I made joyful. I wore my honestylike a garment; justice was my robe and my turban. I was eyes to theblind, and feet to the lame was I; (Job 29:24-25,11-15)."Noel Irwin Hentschel serves on the Board of Governors ofCedars-Sinai Hospital, Los Angeles and is a former Advisory BoardMemberfor Mental Health for the U.K. Royal Society of Medicine. She isChair/CEO of Americantours International and The Noel Foundation basedin Los Angeles with offices throughout North America and China andhumanitarian programs in 70 countries. She specializes in WorldReligions and Global Ethics at the Franciscan School of Theology.Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 This would be bad. My PCP diagnosed with me with GAD, because I had trouble sleeping when faced with my second deployment in less than a year. I carried a 9mm Baretta and was in charge of a check point with two other M16 gunners. I know how to use a gun, and if I felt like I needed one for protection, or if the US woke up and realized a REVOLUTION was in order, I would hope that legislation wouldn't prevent me from getting a gun. Turns out I was not GAD, it was just a ploy to prescribe me medication that destroyed my sense of self, and nearly my entire life. I could only imagine if a similar situation happened to me, and I was not able to return fire on this person. I feel so sad for the parents of that 9 year old girl, and the families of all that were injured and or killed. My hearts and prayers go out to them. This will probably be the most difficult thing that could happen to anyone, except, maybe, being prescribed psychotropic medications. What we can learn from ALL OF THESE ATROCITIES MIND ALTERING DRUGS KILL. Prescription, Illegal, Legal, ALL OF THEM ARE DESTRUCTIVE TO THE BRAIN AND BODY and should be avoided at all costs. Today's illegal drugs were yesterday's miracle pills. From: "nandtbearden@..." <nandtbearden@...>SSRI medications <SSRI Medication >Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 6:54:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdown Sorry, Jim, but neither hunting nor personal protection requires the ability to fire 30 rounds within a few seconds. Our founding fathers surely did not foresee such a capability when the Constitution was drafted. We do not need additional gun laws, though, as the 22k+ on the books now would suffice, if only enforced. It's a slippery slope some of our elected officials are proposing. To deny guns to, as I heard one propose, "anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental disorder" will disqualify MANY cops, federal agents, law-abiding citizens. I am a definite moderate on gun issues. Right-to-bear balanced with reason.Terry Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T From: Jim <mofunnow@...> Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:07:07 -0600 <SSRI medications > ReplySSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords: America's Mental Health Breakdown , Please understand most original settlers of America had guns for hunting and protection and are used to them and their kin do not want to give them upor the tradition.I grew up eating fresh meat and guns hung over the inside of my grandfather's front door for easy reach on the way out.It's a part of life here for many but there are many who have never held a gun also and don't care for them.In Arizona you can carry your AK-47 around on your shoulder or a pistol on your beltor concealed with no training/certifications. I think you must have some training in common sense handling of firearms or there will be preventable accidents.Add violence causing drugs and we get mass killings. Banning guns or clip sizes is not looking at the real problem, it's just reducing more freedoms for the rest of us, a typical response.There can be extremists anywhere I guess but that's like thinking all Irish were bombing British buildings and fighting with the IRA, it's just not so.JimOn 1/10/2011 4:15 PM, jeremy9282 wrote: Terry I've lived in N Ireland for more years than I care to remember & I have seen sights during the troubles that leave an indelible mark, but the vast majority view of the people here is that they would not care to own personal protection even if it were legal so to do. It is interesting to see, something I could have never predicted, that the extreemists have been brought in from the cold & now form part of the government. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=806381   Noel Irwin Hentschel: Loughner Attack on le Giffords: America's Mental Health Breakdown â January 9, 2011 13:38:21 The tragic and devastating attack in Tucson, Arizona on U.S. Representative le Giffords and other innocent victims including the killing of a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge was, sadly, preventable if the exceedingly ineffective mental health laws in America were changed. America's mental health system is undeniably broken and must be fixed to ensure that those who need treatment be required to receive it for the safety and well being of society as a whole. If any good is to come out of this horrifying event it must be for legislators on federal, state and local levels to undertake immediate in-depth hearings that lead to a definitive change of America's laws for treating mental health patients. Insurance companies must be required to provide the same health benefits for mental disease as they do for all other illnesses so that patients can be properly treated. Legislators must publicly interview expert witnesses who deal on a daily basis with the overwhelmingly bureaucratic and legal obstacles in their efforts to try to help people with mental diseases. To this end, legislators must listen to family members, law enforcement, medical professionals and the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI); these are the ones who know the solutions as well as the obstacles. As information of this chaotic episode, initially referred to as an "assassination attack," evolved and was shared by the media, most people rushed to the conclusion that either drug cartel gangsters or terrorists from Mexico, the Middle East or our own homegrown extremists were responsible. It was only when the perpetrator was finally identified as a young 22-year-old white male and his irrational Internet rants were read that the media began to describe him as "one of the crazies" or "nuts." This label is particularly painful for those who are advocates for proactively treating people with mental disorders. Loughner's classmates are reported as stating that he was "consistently disruptive in class" and "obviously very disturbed." Yet who reported this troubling behavior to any officials that could have tried to help him and what steps if any, were taken, one must inquire. The bar is so high for proving someone is a threat to themselves or to others that they literally have to already be in the middle of a horrendous act like this vicious attack for law enforcement, family or medical professionals to be able to provide treatment to the disturbed person. What a travesty of justice for all concerned! Throughout the day the focus of the media was understandably on the condition of Representative Giffords presuming that she was the primary target which is probably why the main experts commenting, at least initially, have been from the FBI, Secret Service, Homeland Security and other government officials as opposed to interviewing mental health experts to better understand the how and why this happened. Mental illness may not be an excuse for crimes but it certainly can be what caused and motivated someone to commit a crime if the person goes untreated. Begging one to consider who is ultimately responsible for these heinous acts and to discuss if there is any culpability by those that ignore the dire need and calamitous consequences of leaving the current mental health laws we have unchanged. There is a critical breakdown of mental health care in America because it is not considered a disease that is popular to address and there is a definite stigma attached to admitting mental illness. We can and must do something about it before more innocent lives are lost including the lives of the sick and untreated, some who may become perpetrators of crimes. Laws must be enacted that allow for the hospitalization and proper medical treatment for the amount of time necessary for recovery followed by compassionate care in a professional locked or unlocked facility depending on the condition of the patient until they are able to function in society and they should be assisted to become a contributing member of the community. Seventy-two hours, 14 days or even 30 days is not adequate for treating mental health or substance abuse patients, so they constantly are walking through a revolving door. One of those revolving doors for a sick person can be into a local market armed with violent thoughts, until we change the laws. There must be legal avenues that are not onerous and debilitating emotionally and financially for families to help their loved ones. It is critical that there be ongoing counseling, therapy and monitoring of the compliance of proper medication being taken by the patient to treat the chemical imbalance that causes mental diseases such as schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder and bi-polar disorder. For the record, many times this chemical imbalance is triggered by the use of illegal drugs -- especially marijuana and ecstasy are culprits particularly if there is any hereditary pre-disposition according to in-depth studies and analysis by leading psychiatrists in Switzerland and Germany. It's worth noting that Loughner is reported to have a long history of marijuana use. Another country with a long history of how the mental health system should work is Ireland where there are a high proportion of families who have loved ones with a mental disease. I have participated in numerous conferences with the most respected psychiatrists in these countries and have found their experience to be enormously helpful for America to embrace. According to mental health professional and expert F. Fuller Torrey in his 2008 research book called The Insanity Defense: How America's Failure to Treat the Seriously Mentally Ill Endangers Its Citizens we are informed that 4,000,000 Americans are believed to have severe psychiatric disorders with a subset of 400,000 homeless and untreated not complying with their needed medications and another sub-sub set of 40,000 considered the most dangerous, not being treated or taking meds and demonstrating very violent behavior. This count does not include the vast numbers who are not properly diagnosed in our nation. Prisons have become the new mental health institutions across America. A perfect example of this is the Twin Towers Jail in downtown Los Angeles. It was built in recent years to house prisoners but instead it is the solution for housing patients that have committed crimes because they are free to do so of their own volition instead of being required to comply with mental health treatment. There are more than 100,000 people living on the streets of Los Angeles that are homeless. Recent studies undertaken by U.S.C. and provided by First AME Church in Los Angeles indicate that more than half of these fellow citizens should be in health care facilities being treated for mental disease, drug addiction and substance abuse. For as long as I can remember I have worked to help those with mental diseases and addictions both within my family as well as caring for those who are on the streets. I have personally witnessed every aspect of the mental health debacle in California and in our nation from the nineteen sixties until today including the defunding and the pleas for help by the people and families affected directly by it. Unfortunately, the overwhelming consensus by these distressed families, frustrated law enforcement and medical field professionals is that the ACLU by fighting and providing funding for laws that supposedly protect the rights of those afflicted with mental diseases have actually done more to ruin their lives than to help them. Funding for mental health, or more accurately the lack of funding for it, is one of the major hurdles that must be overcome. Our nation's economic woes make it an even greater challenge for the 112th Congress that Speaker of the House Boehner recently swore Representative Giffords in to serve. However as a nation with a conscience if we do NOT invest the time and resources on the critical breakdown of mental health care in America, today's violent tragedy in Arizona will be repeated somewhere else, in some way, tomorrow and the day after until we change the laws. The mental health researcher Torrey points to the killing of former Congressman Allard Lowenstein on March 12, 1980 by Stanford graduate Dennis Sweeney who shot him and was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia but left untreated. As a businessperson, I know what it means to make tough fiscal choices and as a mother I know what it mean to use "tough love" measures. We need new legislation that encompasses both of these considerations. For the families who lost their loved ones and to those who found theirs injured, our thoughts and prayers are with them. We continue to pray for le Giffords, whose recovery thus far from a "bullet to the brain" is nothing short of miraculous. We should also convey our sympathy for the family of Loughner who may have seen the signs of his illness as illustrated in his delusional rants and nonsensical ramblings on the internet but like all who have tried to help loved ones, they may have found it to be disheartening and impossible until the critical breakdown of America's mental health care is addressed and the laws are changed to protect the victims and pro-actively treat the sick perpetrator. There were many heroic efforts in Tucson of people helping to save lives and comfort the afflicted as a result of this tragedy; hopefully these words from The Book of Job are an inspirational reminder during this time of deep sadness in Arizona and across America: "When I smiled on them they were reassured; mourners took comfort from my cheerful glance, I chose out their way and presided; I took a king's place in the armed forces. Whoever heard of me blessed me; those who saw me commended me. For I rescued the poor who cried out for help, the orphans, and the unassisted; The blessing of those in extremity came upon me, and the heart of the widow I made joyful. I wore my honesty like a garment; justice was my robe and my turban. I was eyes to the blind, and feet to the lame was I; (Job 29:24-25,11-15)." Noel Irwin Hentschel serves on the Board of Governors of Cedars-Sinai Hospital, Los Angeles and is a former Advisory Board Member for Mental Health for the U.K. Royal Society of Medicine. She is Chair/CEO of Americantours International and The Noel Foundation based in Los Angeles with offices throughout North America and China and humanitarian programs in 70 countries. She specializes in World Religions and Global Ethics at the Franciscan School of Theology. Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 This would be bad. My PCP diagnosed with me with GAD, because I had trouble sleeping when faced with my second deployment in less than a year. I carried a 9mm Baretta and was in charge of a check point with two other M16 gunners. I know how to use a gun, and if I felt like I needed one for protection, or if the US woke up and realized a REVOLUTION was in order, I would hope that legislation wouldn't prevent me from getting a gun. Turns out I was not GAD, it was just a ploy to prescribe me medication that destroyed my sense of self, and nearly my entire life. I could only imagine if a similar situation happened to me, and I was not able to return fire on this person. I feel so sad for the parents of that 9 year old girl, and the families of all that were injured and or killed. My hearts and prayers go out to them. This will probably be the most difficult thing that could happen to anyone, except, maybe, being prescribed psychotropic medications. What we can learn from ALL OF THESE ATROCITIES MIND ALTERING DRUGS KILL. Prescription, Illegal, Legal, ALL OF THEM ARE DESTRUCTIVE TO THE BRAIN AND BODY and should be avoided at all costs. Today's illegal drugs were yesterday's miracle pills. From: "nandtbearden@..." <nandtbearden@...>SSRI medications <SSRI Medication >Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 6:54:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdown Sorry, Jim, but neither hunting nor personal protection requires the ability to fire 30 rounds within a few seconds. Our founding fathers surely did not foresee such a capability when the Constitution was drafted. We do not need additional gun laws, though, as the 22k+ on the books now would suffice, if only enforced. It's a slippery slope some of our elected officials are proposing. To deny guns to, as I heard one propose, "anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental disorder" will disqualify MANY cops, federal agents, law-abiding citizens. I am a definite moderate on gun issues. Right-to-bear balanced with reason.Terry Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T From: Jim <mofunnow@...> Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:07:07 -0600 <SSRI medications > ReplySSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords: America's Mental Health Breakdown , Please understand most original settlers of America had guns for hunting and protection and are used to them and their kin do not want to give them upor the tradition.I grew up eating fresh meat and guns hung over the inside of my grandfather's front door for easy reach on the way out.It's a part of life here for many but there are many who have never held a gun also and don't care for them.In Arizona you can carry your AK-47 around on your shoulder or a pistol on your beltor concealed with no training/certifications. I think you must have some training in common sense handling of firearms or there will be preventable accidents.Add violence causing drugs and we get mass killings. Banning guns or clip sizes is not looking at the real problem, it's just reducing more freedoms for the rest of us, a typical response.There can be extremists anywhere I guess but that's like thinking all Irish were bombing British buildings and fighting with the IRA, it's just not so.JimOn 1/10/2011 4:15 PM, jeremy9282 wrote: Terry I've lived in N Ireland for more years than I care to remember & I have seen sights during the troubles that leave an indelible mark, but the vast majority view of the people here is that they would not care to own personal protection even if it were legal so to do. It is interesting to see, something I could have never predicted, that the extreemists have been brought in from the cold & now form part of the government. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=806381   Noel Irwin Hentschel: Loughner Attack on le Giffords: America's Mental Health Breakdown â January 9, 2011 13:38:21 The tragic and devastating attack in Tucson, Arizona on U.S. Representative le Giffords and other innocent victims including the killing of a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge was, sadly, preventable if the exceedingly ineffective mental health laws in America were changed. America's mental health system is undeniably broken and must be fixed to ensure that those who need treatment be required to receive it for the safety and well being of society as a whole. If any good is to come out of this horrifying event it must be for legislators on federal, state and local levels to undertake immediate in-depth hearings that lead to a definitive change of America's laws for treating mental health patients. Insurance companies must be required to provide the same health benefits for mental disease as they do for all other illnesses so that patients can be properly treated. Legislators must publicly interview expert witnesses who deal on a daily basis with the overwhelmingly bureaucratic and legal obstacles in their efforts to try to help people with mental diseases. To this end, legislators must listen to family members, law enforcement, medical professionals and the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI); these are the ones who know the solutions as well as the obstacles. As information of this chaotic episode, initially referred to as an "assassination attack," evolved and was shared by the media, most people rushed to the conclusion that either drug cartel gangsters or terrorists from Mexico, the Middle East or our own homegrown extremists were responsible. It was only when the perpetrator was finally identified as a young 22-year-old white male and his irrational Internet rants were read that the media began to describe him as "one of the crazies" or "nuts." This label is particularly painful for those who are advocates for proactively treating people with mental disorders. Loughner's classmates are reported as stating that he was "consistently disruptive in class" and "obviously very disturbed." Yet who reported this troubling behavior to any officials that could have tried to help him and what steps if any, were taken, one must inquire. The bar is so high for proving someone is a threat to themselves or to others that they literally have to already be in the middle of a horrendous act like this vicious attack for law enforcement, family or medical professionals to be able to provide treatment to the disturbed person. What a travesty of justice for all concerned! Throughout the day the focus of the media was understandably on the condition of Representative Giffords presuming that she was the primary target which is probably why the main experts commenting, at least initially, have been from the FBI, Secret Service, Homeland Security and other government officials as opposed to interviewing mental health experts to better understand the how and why this happened. Mental illness may not be an excuse for crimes but it certainly can be what caused and motivated someone to commit a crime if the person goes untreated. Begging one to consider who is ultimately responsible for these heinous acts and to discuss if there is any culpability by those that ignore the dire need and calamitous consequences of leaving the current mental health laws we have unchanged. There is a critical breakdown of mental health care in America because it is not considered a disease that is popular to address and there is a definite stigma attached to admitting mental illness. We can and must do something about it before more innocent lives are lost including the lives of the sick and untreated, some who may become perpetrators of crimes. Laws must be enacted that allow for the hospitalization and proper medical treatment for the amount of time necessary for recovery followed by compassionate care in a professional locked or unlocked facility depending on the condition of the patient until they are able to function in society and they should be assisted to become a contributing member of the community. Seventy-two hours, 14 days or even 30 days is not adequate for treating mental health or substance abuse patients, so they constantly are walking through a revolving door. One of those revolving doors for a sick person can be into a local market armed with violent thoughts, until we change the laws. There must be legal avenues that are not onerous and debilitating emotionally and financially for families to help their loved ones. It is critical that there be ongoing counseling, therapy and monitoring of the compliance of proper medication being taken by the patient to treat the chemical imbalance that causes mental diseases such as schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder and bi-polar disorder. For the record, many times this chemical imbalance is triggered by the use of illegal drugs -- especially marijuana and ecstasy are culprits particularly if there is any hereditary pre-disposition according to in-depth studies and analysis by leading psychiatrists in Switzerland and Germany. It's worth noting that Loughner is reported to have a long history of marijuana use. Another country with a long history of how the mental health system should work is Ireland where there are a high proportion of families who have loved ones with a mental disease. I have participated in numerous conferences with the most respected psychiatrists in these countries and have found their experience to be enormously helpful for America to embrace. According to mental health professional and expert F. Fuller Torrey in his 2008 research book called The Insanity Defense: How America's Failure to Treat the Seriously Mentally Ill Endangers Its Citizens we are informed that 4,000,000 Americans are believed to have severe psychiatric disorders with a subset of 400,000 homeless and untreated not complying with their needed medications and another sub-sub set of 40,000 considered the most dangerous, not being treated or taking meds and demonstrating very violent behavior. This count does not include the vast numbers who are not properly diagnosed in our nation. Prisons have become the new mental health institutions across America. A perfect example of this is the Twin Towers Jail in downtown Los Angeles. It was built in recent years to house prisoners but instead it is the solution for housing patients that have committed crimes because they are free to do so of their own volition instead of being required to comply with mental health treatment. There are more than 100,000 people living on the streets of Los Angeles that are homeless. Recent studies undertaken by U.S.C. and provided by First AME Church in Los Angeles indicate that more than half of these fellow citizens should be in health care facilities being treated for mental disease, drug addiction and substance abuse. For as long as I can remember I have worked to help those with mental diseases and addictions both within my family as well as caring for those who are on the streets. I have personally witnessed every aspect of the mental health debacle in California and in our nation from the nineteen sixties until today including the defunding and the pleas for help by the people and families affected directly by it. Unfortunately, the overwhelming consensus by these distressed families, frustrated law enforcement and medical field professionals is that the ACLU by fighting and providing funding for laws that supposedly protect the rights of those afflicted with mental diseases have actually done more to ruin their lives than to help them. Funding for mental health, or more accurately the lack of funding for it, is one of the major hurdles that must be overcome. Our nation's economic woes make it an even greater challenge for the 112th Congress that Speaker of the House Boehner recently swore Representative Giffords in to serve. However as a nation with a conscience if we do NOT invest the time and resources on the critical breakdown of mental health care in America, today's violent tragedy in Arizona will be repeated somewhere else, in some way, tomorrow and the day after until we change the laws. The mental health researcher Torrey points to the killing of former Congressman Allard Lowenstein on March 12, 1980 by Stanford graduate Dennis Sweeney who shot him and was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia but left untreated. As a businessperson, I know what it means to make tough fiscal choices and as a mother I know what it mean to use "tough love" measures. We need new legislation that encompasses both of these considerations. For the families who lost their loved ones and to those who found theirs injured, our thoughts and prayers are with them. We continue to pray for le Giffords, whose recovery thus far from a "bullet to the brain" is nothing short of miraculous. We should also convey our sympathy for the family of Loughner who may have seen the signs of his illness as illustrated in his delusional rants and nonsensical ramblings on the internet but like all who have tried to help loved ones, they may have found it to be disheartening and impossible until the critical breakdown of America's mental health care is addressed and the laws are changed to protect the victims and pro-actively treat the sick perpetrator. There were many heroic efforts in Tucson of people helping to save lives and comfort the afflicted as a result of this tragedy; hopefully these words from The Book of Job are an inspirational reminder during this time of deep sadness in Arizona and across America: "When I smiled on them they were reassured; mourners took comfort from my cheerful glance, I chose out their way and presided; I took a king's place in the armed forces. Whoever heard of me blessed me; those who saw me commended me. For I rescued the poor who cried out for help, the orphans, and the unassisted; The blessing of those in extremity came upon me, and the heart of the widow I made joyful. I wore my honesty like a garment; justice was my robe and my turban. I was eyes to the blind, and feet to the lame was I; (Job 29:24-25,11-15)." Noel Irwin Hentschel serves on the Board of Governors of Cedars-Sinai Hospital, Los Angeles and is a former Advisory Board Member for Mental Health for the U.K. Royal Society of Medicine. She is Chair/CEO of Americantours International and The Noel Foundation based in Los Angeles with offices throughout North America and China and humanitarian programs in 70 countries. She specializes in World Religions and Global Ethics at the Franciscan School of Theology. Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 This would be bad. My PCP diagnosed with me with GAD, because I had trouble sleeping when faced with my second deployment in less than a year. I carried a 9mm Baretta and was in charge of a check point with two other M16 gunners. I know how to use a gun, and if I felt like I needed one for protection, or if the US woke up and realized a REVOLUTION was in order, I would hope that legislation wouldn't prevent me from getting a gun. Turns out I was not GAD, it was just a ploy to prescribe me medication that destroyed my sense of self, and nearly my entire life. I could only imagine if a similar situation happened to me, and I was not able to return fire on this person. I feel so sad for the parents of that 9 year old girl, and the families of all that were injured and or killed. My hearts and prayers go out to them. This will probably be the most difficult thing that could happen to anyone, except, maybe, being prescribed psychotropic medications. What we can learn from ALL OF THESE ATROCITIES MIND ALTERING DRUGS KILL. Prescription, Illegal, Legal, ALL OF THEM ARE DESTRUCTIVE TO THE BRAIN AND BODY and should be avoided at all costs. Today's illegal drugs were yesterday's miracle pills. From: "nandtbearden@..." <nandtbearden@...>SSRI medications <SSRI Medication >Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 6:54:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdown Sorry, Jim, but neither hunting nor personal protection requires the ability to fire 30 rounds within a few seconds. Our founding fathers surely did not foresee such a capability when the Constitution was drafted. We do not need additional gun laws, though, as the 22k+ on the books now would suffice, if only enforced. It's a slippery slope some of our elected officials are proposing. To deny guns to, as I heard one propose, "anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental disorder" will disqualify MANY cops, federal agents, law-abiding citizens. I am a definite moderate on gun issues. Right-to-bear balanced with reason.Terry Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T From: Jim <mofunnow@...> Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:07:07 -0600 <SSRI medications > ReplySSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords: America's Mental Health Breakdown , Please understand most original settlers of America had guns for hunting and protection and are used to them and their kin do not want to give them upor the tradition.I grew up eating fresh meat and guns hung over the inside of my grandfather's front door for easy reach on the way out.It's a part of life here for many but there are many who have never held a gun also and don't care for them.In Arizona you can carry your AK-47 around on your shoulder or a pistol on your beltor concealed with no training/certifications. I think you must have some training in common sense handling of firearms or there will be preventable accidents.Add violence causing drugs and we get mass killings. Banning guns or clip sizes is not looking at the real problem, it's just reducing more freedoms for the rest of us, a typical response.There can be extremists anywhere I guess but that's like thinking all Irish were bombing British buildings and fighting with the IRA, it's just not so.JimOn 1/10/2011 4:15 PM, jeremy9282 wrote: Terry I've lived in N Ireland for more years than I care to remember & I have seen sights during the troubles that leave an indelible mark, but the vast majority view of the people here is that they would not care to own personal protection even if it were legal so to do. It is interesting to see, something I could have never predicted, that the extreemists have been brought in from the cold & now form part of the government. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=806381   Noel Irwin Hentschel: Loughner Attack on le Giffords: America's Mental Health Breakdown â January 9, 2011 13:38:21 The tragic and devastating attack in Tucson, Arizona on U.S. Representative le Giffords and other innocent victims including the killing of a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge was, sadly, preventable if the exceedingly ineffective mental health laws in America were changed. America's mental health system is undeniably broken and must be fixed to ensure that those who need treatment be required to receive it for the safety and well being of society as a whole. If any good is to come out of this horrifying event it must be for legislators on federal, state and local levels to undertake immediate in-depth hearings that lead to a definitive change of America's laws for treating mental health patients. Insurance companies must be required to provide the same health benefits for mental disease as they do for all other illnesses so that patients can be properly treated. Legislators must publicly interview expert witnesses who deal on a daily basis with the overwhelmingly bureaucratic and legal obstacles in their efforts to try to help people with mental diseases. To this end, legislators must listen to family members, law enforcement, medical professionals and the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI); these are the ones who know the solutions as well as the obstacles. As information of this chaotic episode, initially referred to as an "assassination attack," evolved and was shared by the media, most people rushed to the conclusion that either drug cartel gangsters or terrorists from Mexico, the Middle East or our own homegrown extremists were responsible. It was only when the perpetrator was finally identified as a young 22-year-old white male and his irrational Internet rants were read that the media began to describe him as "one of the crazies" or "nuts." This label is particularly painful for those who are advocates for proactively treating people with mental disorders. Loughner's classmates are reported as stating that he was "consistently disruptive in class" and "obviously very disturbed." Yet who reported this troubling behavior to any officials that could have tried to help him and what steps if any, were taken, one must inquire. The bar is so high for proving someone is a threat to themselves or to others that they literally have to already be in the middle of a horrendous act like this vicious attack for law enforcement, family or medical professionals to be able to provide treatment to the disturbed person. What a travesty of justice for all concerned! Throughout the day the focus of the media was understandably on the condition of Representative Giffords presuming that she was the primary target which is probably why the main experts commenting, at least initially, have been from the FBI, Secret Service, Homeland Security and other government officials as opposed to interviewing mental health experts to better understand the how and why this happened. Mental illness may not be an excuse for crimes but it certainly can be what caused and motivated someone to commit a crime if the person goes untreated. Begging one to consider who is ultimately responsible for these heinous acts and to discuss if there is any culpability by those that ignore the dire need and calamitous consequences of leaving the current mental health laws we have unchanged. There is a critical breakdown of mental health care in America because it is not considered a disease that is popular to address and there is a definite stigma attached to admitting mental illness. We can and must do something about it before more innocent lives are lost including the lives of the sick and untreated, some who may become perpetrators of crimes. Laws must be enacted that allow for the hospitalization and proper medical treatment for the amount of time necessary for recovery followed by compassionate care in a professional locked or unlocked facility depending on the condition of the patient until they are able to function in society and they should be assisted to become a contributing member of the community. Seventy-two hours, 14 days or even 30 days is not adequate for treating mental health or substance abuse patients, so they constantly are walking through a revolving door. One of those revolving doors for a sick person can be into a local market armed with violent thoughts, until we change the laws. There must be legal avenues that are not onerous and debilitating emotionally and financially for families to help their loved ones. It is critical that there be ongoing counseling, therapy and monitoring of the compliance of proper medication being taken by the patient to treat the chemical imbalance that causes mental diseases such as schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder and bi-polar disorder. For the record, many times this chemical imbalance is triggered by the use of illegal drugs -- especially marijuana and ecstasy are culprits particularly if there is any hereditary pre-disposition according to in-depth studies and analysis by leading psychiatrists in Switzerland and Germany. It's worth noting that Loughner is reported to have a long history of marijuana use. Another country with a long history of how the mental health system should work is Ireland where there are a high proportion of families who have loved ones with a mental disease. I have participated in numerous conferences with the most respected psychiatrists in these countries and have found their experience to be enormously helpful for America to embrace. According to mental health professional and expert F. Fuller Torrey in his 2008 research book called The Insanity Defense: How America's Failure to Treat the Seriously Mentally Ill Endangers Its Citizens we are informed that 4,000,000 Americans are believed to have severe psychiatric disorders with a subset of 400,000 homeless and untreated not complying with their needed medications and another sub-sub set of 40,000 considered the most dangerous, not being treated or taking meds and demonstrating very violent behavior. This count does not include the vast numbers who are not properly diagnosed in our nation. Prisons have become the new mental health institutions across America. A perfect example of this is the Twin Towers Jail in downtown Los Angeles. It was built in recent years to house prisoners but instead it is the solution for housing patients that have committed crimes because they are free to do so of their own volition instead of being required to comply with mental health treatment. There are more than 100,000 people living on the streets of Los Angeles that are homeless. Recent studies undertaken by U.S.C. and provided by First AME Church in Los Angeles indicate that more than half of these fellow citizens should be in health care facilities being treated for mental disease, drug addiction and substance abuse. For as long as I can remember I have worked to help those with mental diseases and addictions both within my family as well as caring for those who are on the streets. I have personally witnessed every aspect of the mental health debacle in California and in our nation from the nineteen sixties until today including the defunding and the pleas for help by the people and families affected directly by it. Unfortunately, the overwhelming consensus by these distressed families, frustrated law enforcement and medical field professionals is that the ACLU by fighting and providing funding for laws that supposedly protect the rights of those afflicted with mental diseases have actually done more to ruin their lives than to help them. Funding for mental health, or more accurately the lack of funding for it, is one of the major hurdles that must be overcome. Our nation's economic woes make it an even greater challenge for the 112th Congress that Speaker of the House Boehner recently swore Representative Giffords in to serve. However as a nation with a conscience if we do NOT invest the time and resources on the critical breakdown of mental health care in America, today's violent tragedy in Arizona will be repeated somewhere else, in some way, tomorrow and the day after until we change the laws. The mental health researcher Torrey points to the killing of former Congressman Allard Lowenstein on March 12, 1980 by Stanford graduate Dennis Sweeney who shot him and was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia but left untreated. As a businessperson, I know what it means to make tough fiscal choices and as a mother I know what it mean to use "tough love" measures. We need new legislation that encompasses both of these considerations. For the families who lost their loved ones and to those who found theirs injured, our thoughts and prayers are with them. We continue to pray for le Giffords, whose recovery thus far from a "bullet to the brain" is nothing short of miraculous. We should also convey our sympathy for the family of Loughner who may have seen the signs of his illness as illustrated in his delusional rants and nonsensical ramblings on the internet but like all who have tried to help loved ones, they may have found it to be disheartening and impossible until the critical breakdown of America's mental health care is addressed and the laws are changed to protect the victims and pro-actively treat the sick perpetrator. There were many heroic efforts in Tucson of people helping to save lives and comfort the afflicted as a result of this tragedy; hopefully these words from The Book of Job are an inspirational reminder during this time of deep sadness in Arizona and across America: "When I smiled on them they were reassured; mourners took comfort from my cheerful glance, I chose out their way and presided; I took a king's place in the armed forces. Whoever heard of me blessed me; those who saw me commended me. For I rescued the poor who cried out for help, the orphans, and the unassisted; The blessing of those in extremity came upon me, and the heart of the widow I made joyful. I wore my honesty like a garment; justice was my robe and my turban. I was eyes to the blind, and feet to the lame was I; (Job 29:24-25,11-15)." Noel Irwin Hentschel serves on the Board of Governors of Cedars-Sinai Hospital, Los Angeles and is a former Advisory Board Member for Mental Health for the U.K. Royal Society of Medicine. She is Chair/CEO of Americantours International and The Noel Foundation based in Los Angeles with offices throughout North America and China and humanitarian programs in 70 countries. She specializes in World Religions and Global Ethics at the Franciscan School of Theology. Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 This would be bad. My PCP diagnosed with me with GAD, because I had trouble sleeping when faced with my second deployment in less than a year. I carried a 9mm Baretta and was in charge of a check point with two other M16 gunners. I know how to use a gun, and if I felt like I needed one for protection, or if the US woke up and realized a REVOLUTION was in order, I would hope that legislation wouldn't prevent me from getting a gun. Turns out I was not GAD, it was just a ploy to prescribe me medication that destroyed my sense of self, and nearly my entire life. I could only imagine if a similar situation happened to me, and I was not able to return fire on this person. I feel so sad for the parents of that 9 year old girl, and the families of all that were injured and or killed. My hearts and prayers go out to them. This will probably be the most difficult thing that could happen to anyone, except, maybe, being prescribed psychotropic medications. What we can learn from ALL OF THESE ATROCITIES MIND ALTERING DRUGS KILL. Prescription, Illegal, Legal, ALL OF THEM ARE DESTRUCTIVE TO THE BRAIN AND BODY and should be avoided at all costs. Today's illegal drugs were yesterday's miracle pills. From: "nandtbearden@..." <nandtbearden@...>SSRI medications <SSRI Medication >Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 6:54:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords:America's Mental Health Breakdown Sorry, Jim, but neither hunting nor personal protection requires the ability to fire 30 rounds within a few seconds. Our founding fathers surely did not foresee such a capability when the Constitution was drafted. We do not need additional gun laws, though, as the 22k+ on the books now would suffice, if only enforced. It's a slippery slope some of our elected officials are proposing. To deny guns to, as I heard one propose, "anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental disorder" will disqualify MANY cops, federal agents, law-abiding citizens. I am a definite moderate on gun issues. Right-to-bear balanced with reason.Terry Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T From: Jim <mofunnow@...> Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:07:07 -0600 <SSRI medications > ReplySSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Loughner Attack on le Giffords: America's Mental Health Breakdown , Please understand most original settlers of America had guns for hunting and protection and are used to them and their kin do not want to give them upor the tradition.I grew up eating fresh meat and guns hung over the inside of my grandfather's front door for easy reach on the way out.It's a part of life here for many but there are many who have never held a gun also and don't care for them.In Arizona you can carry your AK-47 around on your shoulder or a pistol on your beltor concealed with no training/certifications. I think you must have some training in common sense handling of firearms or there will be preventable accidents.Add violence causing drugs and we get mass killings. Banning guns or clip sizes is not looking at the real problem, it's just reducing more freedoms for the rest of us, a typical response.There can be extremists anywhere I guess but that's like thinking all Irish were bombing British buildings and fighting with the IRA, it's just not so.JimOn 1/10/2011 4:15 PM, jeremy9282 wrote: Terry I've lived in N Ireland for more years than I care to remember & I have seen sights during the troubles that leave an indelible mark, but the vast majority view of the people here is that they would not care to own personal protection even if it were legal so to do. It is interesting to see, something I could have never predicted, that the extreemists have been brought in from the cold & now form part of the government. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=806381   Noel Irwin Hentschel: Loughner Attack on le Giffords: America's Mental Health Breakdown â January 9, 2011 13:38:21 The tragic and devastating attack in Tucson, Arizona on U.S. Representative le Giffords and other innocent victims including the killing of a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge was, sadly, preventable if the exceedingly ineffective mental health laws in America were changed. America's mental health system is undeniably broken and must be fixed to ensure that those who need treatment be required to receive it for the safety and well being of society as a whole. If any good is to come out of this horrifying event it must be for legislators on federal, state and local levels to undertake immediate in-depth hearings that lead to a definitive change of America's laws for treating mental health patients. Insurance companies must be required to provide the same health benefits for mental disease as they do for all other illnesses so that patients can be properly treated. Legislators must publicly interview expert witnesses who deal on a daily basis with the overwhelmingly bureaucratic and legal obstacles in their efforts to try to help people with mental diseases. To this end, legislators must listen to family members, law enforcement, medical professionals and the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI); these are the ones who know the solutions as well as the obstacles. As information of this chaotic episode, initially referred to as an "assassination attack," evolved and was shared by the media, most people rushed to the conclusion that either drug cartel gangsters or terrorists from Mexico, the Middle East or our own homegrown extremists were responsible. It was only when the perpetrator was finally identified as a young 22-year-old white male and his irrational Internet rants were read that the media began to describe him as "one of the crazies" or "nuts." This label is particularly painful for those who are advocates for proactively treating people with mental disorders. Loughner's classmates are reported as stating that he was "consistently disruptive in class" and "obviously very disturbed." Yet who reported this troubling behavior to any officials that could have tried to help him and what steps if any, were taken, one must inquire. The bar is so high for proving someone is a threat to themselves or to others that they literally have to already be in the middle of a horrendous act like this vicious attack for law enforcement, family or medical professionals to be able to provide treatment to the disturbed person. What a travesty of justice for all concerned! Throughout the day the focus of the media was understandably on the condition of Representative Giffords presuming that she was the primary target which is probably why the main experts commenting, at least initially, have been from the FBI, Secret Service, Homeland Security and other government officials as opposed to interviewing mental health experts to better understand the how and why this happened. Mental illness may not be an excuse for crimes but it certainly can be what caused and motivated someone to commit a crime if the person goes untreated. Begging one to consider who is ultimately responsible for these heinous acts and to discuss if there is any culpability by those that ignore the dire need and calamitous consequences of leaving the current mental health laws we have unchanged. There is a critical breakdown of mental health care in America because it is not considered a disease that is popular to address and there is a definite stigma attached to admitting mental illness. We can and must do something about it before more innocent lives are lost including the lives of the sick and untreated, some who may become perpetrators of crimes. Laws must be enacted that allow for the hospitalization and proper medical treatment for the amount of time necessary for recovery followed by compassionate care in a professional locked or unlocked facility depending on the condition of the patient until they are able to function in society and they should be assisted to become a contributing member of the community. Seventy-two hours, 14 days or even 30 days is not adequate for treating mental health or substance abuse patients, so they constantly are walking through a revolving door. One of those revolving doors for a sick person can be into a local market armed with violent thoughts, until we change the laws. There must be legal avenues that are not onerous and debilitating emotionally and financially for families to help their loved ones. It is critical that there be ongoing counseling, therapy and monitoring of the compliance of proper medication being taken by the patient to treat the chemical imbalance that causes mental diseases such as schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder and bi-polar disorder. For the record, many times this chemical imbalance is triggered by the use of illegal drugs -- especially marijuana and ecstasy are culprits particularly if there is any hereditary pre-disposition according to in-depth studies and analysis by leading psychiatrists in Switzerland and Germany. It's worth noting that Loughner is reported to have a long history of marijuana use. Another country with a long history of how the mental health system should work is Ireland where there are a high proportion of families who have loved ones with a mental disease. I have participated in numerous conferences with the most respected psychiatrists in these countries and have found their experience to be enormously helpful for America to embrace. According to mental health professional and expert F. Fuller Torrey in his 2008 research book called The Insanity Defense: How America's Failure to Treat the Seriously Mentally Ill Endangers Its Citizens we are informed that 4,000,000 Americans are believed to have severe psychiatric disorders with a subset of 400,000 homeless and untreated not complying with their needed medications and another sub-sub set of 40,000 considered the most dangerous, not being treated or taking meds and demonstrating very violent behavior. This count does not include the vast numbers who are not properly diagnosed in our nation. Prisons have become the new mental health institutions across America. A perfect example of this is the Twin Towers Jail in downtown Los Angeles. It was built in recent years to house prisoners but instead it is the solution for housing patients that have committed crimes because they are free to do so of their own volition instead of being required to comply with mental health treatment. There are more than 100,000 people living on the streets of Los Angeles that are homeless. Recent studies undertaken by U.S.C. and provided by First AME Church in Los Angeles indicate that more than half of these fellow citizens should be in health care facilities being treated for mental disease, drug addiction and substance abuse. For as long as I can remember I have worked to help those with mental diseases and addictions both within my family as well as caring for those who are on the streets. I have personally witnessed every aspect of the mental health debacle in California and in our nation from the nineteen sixties until today including the defunding and the pleas for help by the people and families affected directly by it. Unfortunately, the overwhelming consensus by these distressed families, frustrated law enforcement and medical field professionals is that the ACLU by fighting and providing funding for laws that supposedly protect the rights of those afflicted with mental diseases have actually done more to ruin their lives than to help them. Funding for mental health, or more accurately the lack of funding for it, is one of the major hurdles that must be overcome. Our nation's economic woes make it an even greater challenge for the 112th Congress that Speaker of the House Boehner recently swore Representative Giffords in to serve. However as a nation with a conscience if we do NOT invest the time and resources on the critical breakdown of mental health care in America, today's violent tragedy in Arizona will be repeated somewhere else, in some way, tomorrow and the day after until we change the laws. The mental health researcher Torrey points to the killing of former Congressman Allard Lowenstein on March 12, 1980 by Stanford graduate Dennis Sweeney who shot him and was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia but left untreated. As a businessperson, I know what it means to make tough fiscal choices and as a mother I know what it mean to use "tough love" measures. We need new legislation that encompasses both of these considerations. For the families who lost their loved ones and to those who found theirs injured, our thoughts and prayers are with them. We continue to pray for le Giffords, whose recovery thus far from a "bullet to the brain" is nothing short of miraculous. We should also convey our sympathy for the family of Loughner who may have seen the signs of his illness as illustrated in his delusional rants and nonsensical ramblings on the internet but like all who have tried to help loved ones, they may have found it to be disheartening and impossible until the critical breakdown of America's mental health care is addressed and the laws are changed to protect the victims and pro-actively treat the sick perpetrator. There were many heroic efforts in Tucson of people helping to save lives and comfort the afflicted as a result of this tragedy; hopefully these words from The Book of Job are an inspirational reminder during this time of deep sadness in Arizona and across America: "When I smiled on them they were reassured; mourners took comfort from my cheerful glance, I chose out their way and presided; I took a king's place in the armed forces. Whoever heard of me blessed me; those who saw me commended me. For I rescued the poor who cried out for help, the orphans, and the unassisted; The blessing of those in extremity came upon me, and the heart of the widow I made joyful. I wore my honesty like a garment; justice was my robe and my turban. I was eyes to the blind, and feet to the lame was I; (Job 29:24-25,11-15)." Noel Irwin Hentschel serves on the Board of Governors of Cedars-Sinai Hospital, Los Angeles and is a former Advisory Board Member for Mental Health for the U.K. Royal Society of Medicine. She is Chair/CEO of Americantours International and The Noel Foundation based in Los Angeles with offices throughout North America and China and humanitarian programs in 70 countries. She specializes in World Religions and Global Ethics at the Franciscan School of Theology. Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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