Re: It gets worse...suicide pact

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My view only. I would make up a packet of information, put it in a

large envelope. Give it to the mother personally and tell her it's

for whenever she's ready. That way she can decide when the time is

right. Include a short personal message about BJ and your phone

number.

>

> Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's

uncle) that when the police were able to gain access to her computer

(it was on but locked when they found her) that she had left a

suicide note. (She was on an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police

also found the boy's suicide note when they searched his room after

his arrest. Turns out these kids had been seeing each other behind

their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon front of hating

each other in front of people at school - even to the point of him

saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby town -

who told police about their relationship.

> He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as

they often did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend "

asked the friend not to go inside with him. The friend hung around

outside in the woods near the house because he thought something was

weird. The " couple " had agreed to hang themselves in her room

together but he " chickened out " as he told police after they

confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had been willing

to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered one word

from the time of his arrest until they showed him the notes. He says

that when he got there she asked for his shoelace and told him to use

the other lace to hang himself. (That way they would die exactly

alike.) He says she was quicker than him because he was so nervous

and that she started to choke while he was still attaching his " rope "

to the other bedpost; he freaked out and called from her window to

his friend to come help him because Beth was dying. The

> friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and

chased his friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd

kid got a black eye. The friend talked the boyfriend into running

away because the cops would blame them for her death. Their best

friends swear they didn't know of the couple's plan; just that they

knew the couple wanted to be together no matter what but didn't think

her parents would allow it. They are talking about still charging

both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

> The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the

2nd boy had made against another girl has come to light (the bubble

in the vein plan). But to what end? They'll charge him with

terroristic threatening or some such and never even consider the

drugs he's on.

> And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll

offer support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim. We'll

offer to try to help them deal with this as we have had to deal with

B.J.'s death. But after that, what if they don't call us? How and

when would it be appropriate to contact them and try to give them

info? We don't know them personally...their kids are much younger

than ours. We know Beth's uncle (her mother's brother) pretty well.

We have known him for years as he was best friends with my husband's

younger brothers in school and he has worked for my husband on and

off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the information to him

and let him figure out what, whether and when to tell his sister.

Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we contact the boys'

parents about these drugs?

> I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some

feedback from you guys. It's just horrible.

> Terry

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My view only. I would make up a packet of information, put it in a

large envelope. Give it to the mother personally and tell her it's

for whenever she's ready. That way she can decide when the time is

right. Include a short personal message about BJ and your phone

number.

>

> Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's

uncle) that when the police were able to gain access to her computer

(it was on but locked when they found her) that she had left a

suicide note. (She was on an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police

also found the boy's suicide note when they searched his room after

his arrest. Turns out these kids had been seeing each other behind

their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon front of hating

each other in front of people at school - even to the point of him

saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby town -

who told police about their relationship.

> He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as

they often did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend "

asked the friend not to go inside with him. The friend hung around

outside in the woods near the house because he thought something was

weird. The " couple " had agreed to hang themselves in her room

together but he " chickened out " as he told police after they

confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had been willing

to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered one word

from the time of his arrest until they showed him the notes. He says

that when he got there she asked for his shoelace and told him to use

the other lace to hang himself. (That way they would die exactly

alike.) He says she was quicker than him because he was so nervous

and that she started to choke while he was still attaching his " rope "

to the other bedpost; he freaked out and called from her window to

his friend to come help him because Beth was dying. The

> friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and

chased his friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd

kid got a black eye. The friend talked the boyfriend into running

away because the cops would blame them for her death. Their best

friends swear they didn't know of the couple's plan; just that they

knew the couple wanted to be together no matter what but didn't think

her parents would allow it. They are talking about still charging

both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

> The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the

2nd boy had made against another girl has come to light (the bubble

in the vein plan). But to what end? They'll charge him with

terroristic threatening or some such and never even consider the

drugs he's on.

> And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll

offer support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim. We'll

offer to try to help them deal with this as we have had to deal with

B.J.'s death. But after that, what if they don't call us? How and

when would it be appropriate to contact them and try to give them

info? We don't know them personally...their kids are much younger

than ours. We know Beth's uncle (her mother's brother) pretty well.

We have known him for years as he was best friends with my husband's

younger brothers in school and he has worked for my husband on and

off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the information to him

and let him figure out what, whether and when to tell his sister.

Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we contact the boys'

parents about these drugs?

> I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some

feedback from you guys. It's just horrible.

> Terry

>

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My view only. I would make up a packet of information, put it in a

large envelope. Give it to the mother personally and tell her it's

for whenever she's ready. That way she can decide when the time is

right. Include a short personal message about BJ and your phone

number.

>

> Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's

uncle) that when the police were able to gain access to her computer

(it was on but locked when they found her) that she had left a

suicide note. (She was on an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police

also found the boy's suicide note when they searched his room after

his arrest. Turns out these kids had been seeing each other behind

their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon front of hating

each other in front of people at school - even to the point of him

saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby town -

who told police about their relationship.

> He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as

they often did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend "

asked the friend not to go inside with him. The friend hung around

outside in the woods near the house because he thought something was

weird. The " couple " had agreed to hang themselves in her room

together but he " chickened out " as he told police after they

confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had been willing

to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered one word

from the time of his arrest until they showed him the notes. He says

that when he got there she asked for his shoelace and told him to use

the other lace to hang himself. (That way they would die exactly

alike.) He says she was quicker than him because he was so nervous

and that she started to choke while he was still attaching his " rope "

to the other bedpost; he freaked out and called from her window to

his friend to come help him because Beth was dying. The

> friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and

chased his friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd

kid got a black eye. The friend talked the boyfriend into running

away because the cops would blame them for her death. Their best

friends swear they didn't know of the couple's plan; just that they

knew the couple wanted to be together no matter what but didn't think

her parents would allow it. They are talking about still charging

both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

> The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the

2nd boy had made against another girl has come to light (the bubble

in the vein plan). But to what end? They'll charge him with

terroristic threatening or some such and never even consider the

drugs he's on.

> And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll

offer support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim. We'll

offer to try to help them deal with this as we have had to deal with

B.J.'s death. But after that, what if they don't call us? How and

when would it be appropriate to contact them and try to give them

info? We don't know them personally...their kids are much younger

than ours. We know Beth's uncle (her mother's brother) pretty well.

We have known him for years as he was best friends with my husband's

younger brothers in school and he has worked for my husband on and

off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the information to him

and let him figure out what, whether and when to tell his sister.

Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we contact the boys'

parents about these drugs?

> I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some

feedback from you guys. It's just horrible.

> Terry

>

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My view only. I would make up a packet of information, put it in a

large envelope. Give it to the mother personally and tell her it's

for whenever she's ready. That way she can decide when the time is

right. Include a short personal message about BJ and your phone

number.

>

> Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's

uncle) that when the police were able to gain access to her computer

(it was on but locked when they found her) that she had left a

suicide note. (She was on an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police

also found the boy's suicide note when they searched his room after

his arrest. Turns out these kids had been seeing each other behind

their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon front of hating

each other in front of people at school - even to the point of him

saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby town -

who told police about their relationship.

> He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as

they often did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend "

asked the friend not to go inside with him. The friend hung around

outside in the woods near the house because he thought something was

weird. The " couple " had agreed to hang themselves in her room

together but he " chickened out " as he told police after they

confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had been willing

to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered one word

from the time of his arrest until they showed him the notes. He says

that when he got there she asked for his shoelace and told him to use

the other lace to hang himself. (That way they would die exactly

alike.) He says she was quicker than him because he was so nervous

and that she started to choke while he was still attaching his " rope "

to the other bedpost; he freaked out and called from her window to

his friend to come help him because Beth was dying. The

> friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and

chased his friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd

kid got a black eye. The friend talked the boyfriend into running

away because the cops would blame them for her death. Their best

friends swear they didn't know of the couple's plan; just that they

knew the couple wanted to be together no matter what but didn't think

her parents would allow it. They are talking about still charging

both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

> The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the

2nd boy had made against another girl has come to light (the bubble

in the vein plan). But to what end? They'll charge him with

terroristic threatening or some such and never even consider the

drugs he's on.

> And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll

offer support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim. We'll

offer to try to help them deal with this as we have had to deal with

B.J.'s death. But after that, what if they don't call us? How and

when would it be appropriate to contact them and try to give them

info? We don't know them personally...their kids are much younger

than ours. We know Beth's uncle (her mother's brother) pretty well.

We have known him for years as he was best friends with my husband's

younger brothers in school and he has worked for my husband on and

off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the information to him

and let him figure out what, whether and when to tell his sister.

Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we contact the boys'

parents about these drugs?

> I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some

feedback from you guys. It's just horrible.

> Terry

>

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Terry

This is a very difficult situationindeed. I don't know how but the

boys parents need to know as does the girls mother. I'd say the

uncle is a good source to help but I don't know about the boys. They

may just be glad to have a place to start.

Good Luck

Charlie

>

> Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's

uncle) that when the police were able to gain access to her computer

(it was on but locked when they found her) that she had left a

suicide note. (She was on an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police

also found the boy's suicide note when they searched his room after

his arrest. Turns out these kids had been seeing each other behind

their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon front of hating

each other in front of people at school - even to the point of him

saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby

town - who told police about their relationship.

> He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as

they often did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend "

asked the friend not to go inside with him. The friend hung around

outside in the woods near the house because he thought something was

weird. The " couple " had agreed to hang themselves in her room

together but he " chickened out " as he told police after they

confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had been

willing to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered

one word from the time of his arrest until they showed him the

notes. He says that when he got there she asked for his shoelace

and told him to use the other lace to hang himself. (That way they

would die exactly alike.) He says she was quicker than him because

he was so nervous and that she started to choke while he was still

attaching his " rope " to the other bedpost; he freaked out and called

from her window to his friend to come help him because Beth was

dying. The

> friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and

chased his friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd

kid got a black eye. The friend talked the boyfriend into running

away because the cops would blame them for her death. Their best

friends swear they didn't know of the couple's plan; just that they

knew the couple wanted to be together no matter what but didn't

think her parents would allow it. They are talking about still

charging both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

> The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the

2nd boy had made against another girl has come to light (the bubble

in the vein plan). But to what end? They'll charge him with

terroristic threatening or some such and never even consider the

drugs he's on.

> And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll

offer support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim.

We'll offer to try to help them deal with this as we have had to

deal with B.J.'s death. But after that, what if they don't call

us? How and when would it be appropriate to contact them and try to

give them info? We don't know them personally...their kids are much

younger than ours. We know Beth's uncle (her mother's brother)

pretty well. We have known him for years as he was best friends

with my husband's younger brothers in school and he has worked for

my husband on and off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the

information to him and let him figure out what, whether and when to

tell his sister. Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we

contact the boys' parents about these drugs?

> I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some

feedback from you guys. It's just horrible.

> Terry

>

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Terry

This is a very difficult situationindeed. I don't know how but the

boys parents need to know as does the girls mother. I'd say the

uncle is a good source to help but I don't know about the boys. They

may just be glad to have a place to start.

Good Luck

Charlie

>

> Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's

uncle) that when the police were able to gain access to her computer

(it was on but locked when they found her) that she had left a

suicide note. (She was on an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police

also found the boy's suicide note when they searched his room after

his arrest. Turns out these kids had been seeing each other behind

their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon front of hating

each other in front of people at school - even to the point of him

saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby

town - who told police about their relationship.

> He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as

they often did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend "

asked the friend not to go inside with him. The friend hung around

outside in the woods near the house because he thought something was

weird. The " couple " had agreed to hang themselves in her room

together but he " chickened out " as he told police after they

confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had been

willing to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered

one word from the time of his arrest until they showed him the

notes. He says that when he got there she asked for his shoelace

and told him to use the other lace to hang himself. (That way they

would die exactly alike.) He says she was quicker than him because

he was so nervous and that she started to choke while he was still

attaching his " rope " to the other bedpost; he freaked out and called

from her window to his friend to come help him because Beth was

dying. The

> friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and

chased his friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd

kid got a black eye. The friend talked the boyfriend into running

away because the cops would blame them for her death. Their best

friends swear they didn't know of the couple's plan; just that they

knew the couple wanted to be together no matter what but didn't

think her parents would allow it. They are talking about still

charging both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

> The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the

2nd boy had made against another girl has come to light (the bubble

in the vein plan). But to what end? They'll charge him with

terroristic threatening or some such and never even consider the

drugs he's on.

> And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll

offer support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim.

We'll offer to try to help them deal with this as we have had to

deal with B.J.'s death. But after that, what if they don't call

us? How and when would it be appropriate to contact them and try to

give them info? We don't know them personally...their kids are much

younger than ours. We know Beth's uncle (her mother's brother)

pretty well. We have known him for years as he was best friends

with my husband's younger brothers in school and he has worked for

my husband on and off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the

information to him and let him figure out what, whether and when to

tell his sister. Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we

contact the boys' parents about these drugs?

> I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some

feedback from you guys. It's just horrible.

> Terry

>

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Terry

This is a very difficult situationindeed. I don't know how but the

boys parents need to know as does the girls mother. I'd say the

uncle is a good source to help but I don't know about the boys. They

may just be glad to have a place to start.

Good Luck

Charlie

>

> Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's

uncle) that when the police were able to gain access to her computer

(it was on but locked when they found her) that she had left a

suicide note. (She was on an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police

also found the boy's suicide note when they searched his room after

his arrest. Turns out these kids had been seeing each other behind

their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon front of hating

each other in front of people at school - even to the point of him

saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby

town - who told police about their relationship.

> He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as

they often did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend "

asked the friend not to go inside with him. The friend hung around

outside in the woods near the house because he thought something was

weird. The " couple " had agreed to hang themselves in her room

together but he " chickened out " as he told police after they

confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had been

willing to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered

one word from the time of his arrest until they showed him the

notes. He says that when he got there she asked for his shoelace

and told him to use the other lace to hang himself. (That way they

would die exactly alike.) He says she was quicker than him because

he was so nervous and that she started to choke while he was still

attaching his " rope " to the other bedpost; he freaked out and called

from her window to his friend to come help him because Beth was

dying. The

> friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and

chased his friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd

kid got a black eye. The friend talked the boyfriend into running

away because the cops would blame them for her death. Their best

friends swear they didn't know of the couple's plan; just that they

knew the couple wanted to be together no matter what but didn't

think her parents would allow it. They are talking about still

charging both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

> The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the

2nd boy had made against another girl has come to light (the bubble

in the vein plan). But to what end? They'll charge him with

terroristic threatening or some such and never even consider the

drugs he's on.

> And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll

offer support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim.

We'll offer to try to help them deal with this as we have had to

deal with B.J.'s death. But after that, what if they don't call

us? How and when would it be appropriate to contact them and try to

give them info? We don't know them personally...their kids are much

younger than ours. We know Beth's uncle (her mother's brother)

pretty well. We have known him for years as he was best friends

with my husband's younger brothers in school and he has worked for

my husband on and off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the

information to him and let him figure out what, whether and when to

tell his sister. Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we

contact the boys' parents about these drugs?

> I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some

feedback from you guys. It's just horrible.

> Terry

>

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Terry

This is a very difficult situationindeed. I don't know how but the

boys parents need to know as does the girls mother. I'd say the

uncle is a good source to help but I don't know about the boys. They

may just be glad to have a place to start.

Good Luck

Charlie

>

> Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's

uncle) that when the police were able to gain access to her computer

(it was on but locked when they found her) that she had left a

suicide note. (She was on an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police

also found the boy's suicide note when they searched his room after

his arrest. Turns out these kids had been seeing each other behind

their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon front of hating

each other in front of people at school - even to the point of him

saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby

town - who told police about their relationship.

> He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as

they often did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend "

asked the friend not to go inside with him. The friend hung around

outside in the woods near the house because he thought something was

weird. The " couple " had agreed to hang themselves in her room

together but he " chickened out " as he told police after they

confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had been

willing to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered

one word from the time of his arrest until they showed him the

notes. He says that when he got there she asked for his shoelace

and told him to use the other lace to hang himself. (That way they

would die exactly alike.) He says she was quicker than him because

he was so nervous and that she started to choke while he was still

attaching his " rope " to the other bedpost; he freaked out and called

from her window to his friend to come help him because Beth was

dying. The

> friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and

chased his friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd

kid got a black eye. The friend talked the boyfriend into running

away because the cops would blame them for her death. Their best

friends swear they didn't know of the couple's plan; just that they

knew the couple wanted to be together no matter what but didn't

think her parents would allow it. They are talking about still

charging both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

> The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the

2nd boy had made against another girl has come to light (the bubble

in the vein plan). But to what end? They'll charge him with

terroristic threatening or some such and never even consider the

drugs he's on.

> And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll

offer support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim.

We'll offer to try to help them deal with this as we have had to

deal with B.J.'s death. But after that, what if they don't call

us? How and when would it be appropriate to contact them and try to

give them info? We don't know them personally...their kids are much

younger than ours. We know Beth's uncle (her mother's brother)

pretty well. We have known him for years as he was best friends

with my husband's younger brothers in school and he has worked for

my husband on and off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the

information to him and let him figure out what, whether and when to

tell his sister. Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we

contact the boys' parents about these drugs?

> I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some

feedback from you guys. It's just horrible.

> Terry

>

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[Guest guest]

Terry,

The original New Testament was in Greek. The work " pharmakia " was translated

into English as " sorceries " or " witchcraft " but the word " pharmakia " really

meant " drug use " , especially mind altering drugs ie " magical potions " .

I am stunned and upset for the children and everyone involved. this is

happening across the world.

I would make sure that everyone knows the antidepressant connection to this.

Even if it's a simple " it's those $ & #*@ drugs! "

God Bless,

Jim

Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's uncle) that

when the police were able to gain access to her computer (it was on but

locked when they found her) that she had left a suicide note. (She was on

an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police also found the boy's suicide note

when they searched his room after his arrest. Turns out these kids had been

seeing each other behind their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon

front of hating each other in front of people at school - even to the point

of him saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby town - who

told police about their relationship.

He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as they often

did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend " asked the friend not

to go inside with him. The friend hung around outside in the woods near the

house because he thought something was weird. The " couple " had agreed to

hang themselves in her room together but he " chickened out " as he told

police after they confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had

been willing to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered one

word from the time of his arrest until they showed him the notes. He says

that when he got there she asked for his shoelace and told him to use the

other lace to hang himself. (That way they would die exactly alike.) He

says she was quicker than him because he was so nervous and that she started

to choke while he was still attaching his " rope " to the other bedpost; he

freaked out and called from her window to his friend to come help him

because Beth was dyi!

ng. The

friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and chased his

friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd kid got a black eye.

The friend talked the boyfriend into running away because the cops would

blame them for her death. Their best friends swear they didn't know of the

couple's plan; just that they knew the couple wanted to be together no

matter what but didn't think her parents would allow it. They are talking

about still charging both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the 2nd boy had

made against another girl has come to light (the bubble in the vein plan).

But to what end? They'll charge him with terroristic threatening or some

such and never even consider the drugs he's on.

And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll offer

support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim. We'll offer to try

to help them deal with this as we have had to deal with B.J.'s death. But

after that, what if they don't call us? How and when would it be

appropriate to contact them and try to give them info? We don't know them

personally...their kids are much younger than ours. We know Beth's uncle

(her mother's brother) pretty well. We have known him for years as he was

best friends with my husband's younger brothers in school and he has worked

for my husband on and off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the

information to him and let him figure out what, whether and when to tell his

sister. Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we contact the boys'

parents about these drugs?

I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some feedback

from you guys. It's just horrible.

Terry

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[Guest guest]

Terry,

The original New Testament was in Greek. The work " pharmakia " was translated

into English as " sorceries " or " witchcraft " but the word " pharmakia " really

meant " drug use " , especially mind altering drugs ie " magical potions " .

I am stunned and upset for the children and everyone involved. this is

happening across the world.

I would make sure that everyone knows the antidepressant connection to this.

Even if it's a simple " it's those $ & #*@ drugs! "

God Bless,

Jim

Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's uncle) that

when the police were able to gain access to her computer (it was on but

locked when they found her) that she had left a suicide note. (She was on

an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police also found the boy's suicide note

when they searched his room after his arrest. Turns out these kids had been

seeing each other behind their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon

front of hating each other in front of people at school - even to the point

of him saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby town - who

told police about their relationship.

He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as they often

did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend " asked the friend not

to go inside with him. The friend hung around outside in the woods near the

house because he thought something was weird. The " couple " had agreed to

hang themselves in her room together but he " chickened out " as he told

police after they confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had

been willing to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered one

word from the time of his arrest until they showed him the notes. He says

that when he got there she asked for his shoelace and told him to use the

other lace to hang himself. (That way they would die exactly alike.) He

says she was quicker than him because he was so nervous and that she started

to choke while he was still attaching his " rope " to the other bedpost; he

freaked out and called from her window to his friend to come help him

because Beth was dyi!

ng. The

friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and chased his

friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd kid got a black eye.

The friend talked the boyfriend into running away because the cops would

blame them for her death. Their best friends swear they didn't know of the

couple's plan; just that they knew the couple wanted to be together no

matter what but didn't think her parents would allow it. They are talking

about still charging both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the 2nd boy had

made against another girl has come to light (the bubble in the vein plan).

But to what end? They'll charge him with terroristic threatening or some

such and never even consider the drugs he's on.

And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll offer

support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim. We'll offer to try

to help them deal with this as we have had to deal with B.J.'s death. But

after that, what if they don't call us? How and when would it be

appropriate to contact them and try to give them info? We don't know them

personally...their kids are much younger than ours. We know Beth's uncle

(her mother's brother) pretty well. We have known him for years as he was

best friends with my husband's younger brothers in school and he has worked

for my husband on and off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the

information to him and let him figure out what, whether and when to tell his

sister. Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we contact the boys'

parents about these drugs?

I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some feedback

from you guys. It's just horrible.

Terry

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[Guest guest]

Terry,

The original New Testament was in Greek. The work " pharmakia " was translated

into English as " sorceries " or " witchcraft " but the word " pharmakia " really

meant " drug use " , especially mind altering drugs ie " magical potions " .

I am stunned and upset for the children and everyone involved. this is

happening across the world.

I would make sure that everyone knows the antidepressant connection to this.

Even if it's a simple " it's those $ & #*@ drugs! "

God Bless,

Jim

Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's uncle) that

when the police were able to gain access to her computer (it was on but

locked when they found her) that she had left a suicide note. (She was on

an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police also found the boy's suicide note

when they searched his room after his arrest. Turns out these kids had been

seeing each other behind their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon

front of hating each other in front of people at school - even to the point

of him saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby town - who

told police about their relationship.

He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as they often

did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend " asked the friend not

to go inside with him. The friend hung around outside in the woods near the

house because he thought something was weird. The " couple " had agreed to

hang themselves in her room together but he " chickened out " as he told

police after they confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had

been willing to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered one

word from the time of his arrest until they showed him the notes. He says

that when he got there she asked for his shoelace and told him to use the

other lace to hang himself. (That way they would die exactly alike.) He

says she was quicker than him because he was so nervous and that she started

to choke while he was still attaching his " rope " to the other bedpost; he

freaked out and called from her window to his friend to come help him

because Beth was dyi!

ng. The

friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and chased his

friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd kid got a black eye.

The friend talked the boyfriend into running away because the cops would

blame them for her death. Their best friends swear they didn't know of the

couple's plan; just that they knew the couple wanted to be together no

matter what but didn't think her parents would allow it. They are talking

about still charging both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the 2nd boy had

made against another girl has come to light (the bubble in the vein plan).

But to what end? They'll charge him with terroristic threatening or some

such and never even consider the drugs he's on.

And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll offer

support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim. We'll offer to try

to help them deal with this as we have had to deal with B.J.'s death. But

after that, what if they don't call us? How and when would it be

appropriate to contact them and try to give them info? We don't know them

personally...their kids are much younger than ours. We know Beth's uncle

(her mother's brother) pretty well. We have known him for years as he was

best friends with my husband's younger brothers in school and he has worked

for my husband on and off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the

information to him and let him figure out what, whether and when to tell his

sister. Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we contact the boys'

parents about these drugs?

I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some feedback

from you guys. It's just horrible.

Terry

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[Guest guest]

Terry,

The original New Testament was in Greek. The work " pharmakia " was translated

into English as " sorceries " or " witchcraft " but the word " pharmakia " really

meant " drug use " , especially mind altering drugs ie " magical potions " .

I am stunned and upset for the children and everyone involved. this is

happening across the world.

I would make sure that everyone knows the antidepressant connection to this.

Even if it's a simple " it's those $ & #*@ drugs! "

God Bless,

Jim

Now we have heard from a friend of ours (the 14-year old girl's uncle) that

when the police were able to gain access to her computer (it was on but

locked when they found her) that she had left a suicide note. (She was on

an AD for anxiety attacks.) The police also found the boy's suicide note

when they searched his room after his arrest. Turns out these kids had been

seeing each other behind their parents' backs and putting up an agreed upon

front of hating each other in front of people at school - even to the point

of him saying " I'll kill you " to her. (What the ????) No one knew except

for their best friends - the other boy and a girl from a nearby town - who

told police about their relationship.

He and his friend had walked to Beth's house after school, as they often

did according to the boys. This time the " boyfriend " asked the friend not

to go inside with him. The friend hung around outside in the woods near the

house because he thought something was weird. The " couple " had agreed to

hang themselves in her room together but he " chickened out " as he told

police after they confronted him with the notes. Up to that point, he had

been willing to take the rap for her murder. They say he hadn't uttered one

word from the time of his arrest until they showed him the notes. He says

that when he got there she asked for his shoelace and told him to use the

other lace to hang himself. (That way they would die exactly alike.) He

says she was quicker than him because he was so nervous and that she started

to choke while he was still attaching his " rope " to the other bedpost; he

freaked out and called from her window to his friend to come help him

because Beth was dyi!

ng. The

friend ran away. The 1st boy got mad, ran out of the house and chased his

friend down; they got in a fight and that's how the 2nd kid got a black eye.

The friend talked the boyfriend into running away because the cops would

blame them for her death. Their best friends swear they didn't know of the

couple's plan; just that they knew the couple wanted to be together no

matter what but didn't think her parents would allow it. They are talking

about still charging both boys, though they haven't said with what crimes.

The only good thing to come out of this is that the threat the 2nd boy had

made against another girl has come to light (the bubble in the vein plan).

But to what end? They'll charge him with terroristic threatening or some

such and never even consider the drugs he's on.

And, now what?!?!?! We'll attend her funeral tomorrow. We'll offer

support as fellow surviving parents of a suicide victim. We'll offer to try

to help them deal with this as we have had to deal with B.J.'s death. But

after that, what if they don't call us? How and when would it be

appropriate to contact them and try to give them info? We don't know them

personally...their kids are much younger than ours. We know Beth's uncle

(her mother's brother) pretty well. We have known him for years as he was

best friends with my husband's younger brothers in school and he has worked

for my husband on and off over the years. I guess we'll try to get the

information to him and let him figure out what, whether and when to tell his

sister. Knowing what we know, is that enough? Should we contact the boys'

parents about these drugs?

I am so depressed and upset about this. I'd really like some feedback

from you guys. It's just horrible.

Terry

---------------------------------

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