Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the FDA. Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be greatly appreciated. The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you think might be feasible? I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the FDA. Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be greatly appreciated. The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you think might be feasible? I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the FDA. Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be greatly appreciated. The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you think might be feasible? I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the FDA. Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be greatly appreciated. The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you think might be feasible? I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Kerry, a good place to start is to encourage him to look at this bill. http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=38610 > > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Kerry: HERE ARE MY (reasonable) WISHES: I wish congress would make two new laws: 1) No one who is employed by the FDA or any other regulatory agency can serve as a " peer reviewer " , board member, consultant, or any other paid position for any company, or subsidiary thereof, whose activities they regulate. 2) All DTC print ads for prescription drugs must include the " Patient Information and Warnings " information and it must be printed in the same size and style font that the publication uses for the majority of its articles. Ads must be placed so that the first warning page faces the slick, graphic-laden color ad (so the reader does not flip past all the fine print without realizing it). Television and radio ads must include warnings printed in a legible font size and spoken at a normal rate of speech. (We could call it the " NO SMALL PRINT " bill.) I'll work on tracking down some of the info you asked for, too. ROCK ON!!!!!! Terry Bearden Kerry <kerry_inbox@...> wrote: Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the FDA. Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be greatly appreciated. The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you think might be feasible? I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! " ...There are certain things in our nation and in the world about which I am proud to be maladjusted and about which I hope all men of good-will will be maladjusted...Through such maladjustment, I believe that we will be able to emerge from the bleak and desolate midnight of man's inhumanity to man into the bright and glittering daybreak of freedom and justice. " - Dr. Luther King, Jr. - December 18, 1963 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Kerry There a couple of things I'd like to see. First I think side effects should be listed in order of severity so suicide, psychosis and mania would be listed before dry mouth and nausia. Secondly and this isn't really associated with the FDA but I would like to see the Privacy act HIPAA reworked. A wife should be allowed access to her husband's file and a parent should be able to review the file of a child even if that child is 18. > > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Kerry There a couple of things I'd like to see. First I think side effects should be listed in order of severity so suicide, psychosis and mania would be listed before dry mouth and nausia. Secondly and this isn't really associated with the FDA but I would like to see the Privacy act HIPAA reworked. A wife should be allowed access to her husband's file and a parent should be able to review the file of a child even if that child is 18. > > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Kerry There a couple of things I'd like to see. First I think side effects should be listed in order of severity so suicide, psychosis and mania would be listed before dry mouth and nausia. Secondly and this isn't really associated with the FDA but I would like to see the Privacy act HIPAA reworked. A wife should be allowed access to her husband's file and a parent should be able to review the file of a child even if that child is 18. > > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Kerry There a couple of things I'd like to see. First I think side effects should be listed in order of severity so suicide, psychosis and mania would be listed before dry mouth and nausia. Secondly and this isn't really associated with the FDA but I would like to see the Privacy act HIPAA reworked. A wife should be allowed access to her husband's file and a parent should be able to review the file of a child even if that child is 18. > > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 My wish list would include, No insurance company could refuse to cover anyone who has been on FDA approved antidepressants. --- Kerry <kerry_inbox@...> wrote: > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, > I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my > congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, > which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally > witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I > also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't > just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year > related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of > places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help > directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other > drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per > year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general > practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources > would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful > to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do > something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation > to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing > antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to > this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see > done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I > don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, > right? Thanks! > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 My wish list would include, No insurance company could refuse to cover anyone who has been on FDA approved antidepressants. --- Kerry <kerry_inbox@...> wrote: > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, > I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my > congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, > which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally > witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I > also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't > just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year > related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of > places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help > directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other > drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per > year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general > practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources > would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful > to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do > something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation > to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing > antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to > this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see > done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I > don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, > right? Thanks! > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 My wish list would include, No insurance company could refuse to cover anyone who has been on FDA approved antidepressants. --- Kerry <kerry_inbox@...> wrote: > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, > I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my > congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, > which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally > witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I > also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't > just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year > related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of > places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help > directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other > drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per > year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general > practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources > would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful > to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do > something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation > to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing > antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to > this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see > done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I > don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, > right? Thanks! > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 My wish list would include, No insurance company could refuse to cover anyone who has been on FDA approved antidepressants. --- Kerry <kerry_inbox@...> wrote: > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, > I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my > congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, > which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally > witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I > also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't > just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year > related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of > places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help > directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other > drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per > year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general > practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources > would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful > to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do > something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation > to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing > antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to > this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see > done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I > don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, > right? Thanks! > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 You guys are awesome - keep the info coming! The direct emails I've received are fine, too. ( " lsyorke " , I tried to email back and it bounced. Don't know why.) Anyway, thanks. After what I lost, I just feel like I have to _do_ something. > > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 A good place to start is keyetv.com, then scroll down and on the left find and click investigates, Nanci of KEYE News (Austin) has done an excellent job of reporting on the atypical drugs. Video screen comes up, at the bottom click to go back to August 2004, where Nanci is reporting on children in Texas care being drugged, later she finds out why and starts reporting on TMAPS, a plan started by Bush as Gov. of Texas, just after pharma spent a bundle to get him elected. Nanci reports what a whistle blower Pennsylvania O.I.G. investigator found, after she verifies all that is in his report. Then, in Sept. 2004 ongoing, she reports on Fraud and Your Tax Dollars, telling how much Medicare dollars are spent on high priced and dangerous drugs. Beware, your Congressman may be one who gets big bucks from pharma or he knows that Bush has taken his favors to them all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue 's report also verifies the corruptions in the FDA. Take the Congressman a copy of 's report. Effexor, is considered one of the atypical drugs. As you view the rest of Nanci's reports, you'll see just how far Texas DHS will go to cover-up for pharma and the rest of the crooks. It's no accident, Texas legislatures who get their pockets padded by pharma, are giving the directions to the over-sights, just like found when his superior told him he could not report any of what he found, because pharma writes big checks to both parties. The truth is that Republicans get the bulk of the blood money, and they sure deliver the favors. Re: Time with a Congressman - need facts You guys are awesome - keep the info coming! The direct emails I've received are fine, too. ( " lsyorke " , I tried to email back and it bounced. Don't know why.) Anyway, thanks. After what I lost, I just feel like I have to _do_ something. > > Hi, All. Mid-August, unless something goes haywire, I'm going to > have the opportunity to sit down with my congressman, who is a > member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, which oversees the > FDA. > > Obviously, I'm going to tell him what I personally witnessed ( & > previously posted here) regarding Effexor. But, I also need facts > backed up by their sources. For example, I can't just say, " 200,000 > people are admitted into psychiatric wards each year related to > antidepressant use. " I've read this dozens of places, but where did > this statistic come from? I could also use help directing me to a > link where the sales figures for Effexor & other drugs is found, the > number of antidepressant prescriptions written per year and how we > know 70% of them are written by general practitioners...? Any other > hard stats you would like to post with their sources would be > greatly appreciated. > > The second part of this is that it isn't real useful to just > say, " Antidepressants are bad. Please do something. " I need a list > of things for him to consider, such as legislation to prevent > general practitioners from dispensing antidepressants, or revised > FDA warning labels. Whatever! So my question to this group is: > What's your wish list? What would you like to see done that you > think might be feasible? > > I have a month to pull my documentation together. I don't know that > it will affect anything, but every little bit helps, right? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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