Re: Va. Tech gunman's mental records found in home

[Guest guest]

> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> cracks at university counseling.

>

> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> commit his killing spree.

>

> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

>

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his

possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

[Guest guest]

> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> cracks at university counseling.

>

> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> commit his killing spree.

>

> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

>

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his

possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

[Guest guest]

> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> cracks at university counseling.

>

> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> commit his killing spree.

>

> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

>

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his

possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

[Guest guest]

> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> cracks at university counseling.

>

> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> commit his killing spree.

>

> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

>

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his

possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

[Guest guest]

Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

reported his roommates describing "psychological" medications.

This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if

drug treatment

will be in the records or not.

I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on

antidepressants or Xanax XR

for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR

inserts.

thebubblecongeries wrote:

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

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[Guest guest]

Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

reported his roommates describing "psychological" medications.

This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if

drug treatment

will be in the records or not.

I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on

antidepressants or Xanax XR

for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR

inserts.

thebubblecongeries wrote:

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

reported his roommates describing "psychological" medications.

This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if

drug treatment

will be in the records or not.

I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on

antidepressants or Xanax XR

for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR

inserts.

thebubblecongeries wrote:

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

reported his roommates describing "psychological" medications.

This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if

drug treatment

will be in the records or not.

I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on

antidepressants or Xanax XR

for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR

inserts.

thebubblecongeries wrote:

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

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[Guest guest]

Oh, I totally agree that the public has a right to know and I do suspect the

drugs too; I just wondered if the lawsuits are aimed at seeing if he was " crazy "

and this was why he did it or if the families had demonstrated publicly that

they had some understanding that it could be the drugs, and not " the underlying

disorder " .

It really, really scares me when lawsuits blame the underlying problem,

especially in a circumstance like this where they are claiming not enough was

done to prevent it, because I am sure we all know what those preventions look

like, and they will inevitably lead to the same situation.

Thanks for answering Jim.

E.H.

> Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

> I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

> reported his roommates describing " psychological " medications.

>

> This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if

> drug treatment

> will be in the records or not.

>

> I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on

> antidepressants or Xanax XR

> for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR inserts.

>

>

>

>

> thebubblecongeries wrote:

> >> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> >> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> >> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> >> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> >> cracks at university counseling.

> >>

> >> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> >> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> >> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> >> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> >> commit his killing spree.

> >>

> >> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> >> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

> >>

> >>

> >

> > Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his

possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Oh, I totally agree that the public has a right to know and I do suspect the

drugs too; I just wondered if the lawsuits are aimed at seeing if he was " crazy "

and this was why he did it or if the families had demonstrated publicly that

they had some understanding that it could be the drugs, and not " the underlying

disorder " .

It really, really scares me when lawsuits blame the underlying problem,

especially in a circumstance like this where they are claiming not enough was

done to prevent it, because I am sure we all know what those preventions look

like, and they will inevitably lead to the same situation.

Thanks for answering Jim.

E.H.

> Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

> I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

> reported his roommates describing " psychological " medications.

>

> This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if

> drug treatment

> will be in the records or not.

>

> I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on

> antidepressants or Xanax XR

> for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR inserts.

>

>

>

>

> thebubblecongeries wrote:

> >> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> >> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> >> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> >> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> >> cracks at university counseling.

> >>

> >> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> >> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> >> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> >> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> >> commit his killing spree.

> >>

> >> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> >> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

> >>

> >>

> >

> > Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his

possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Oh, I totally agree that the public has a right to know and I do suspect the

drugs too; I just wondered if the lawsuits are aimed at seeing if he was " crazy "

and this was why he did it or if the families had demonstrated publicly that

they had some understanding that it could be the drugs, and not " the underlying

disorder " .

It really, really scares me when lawsuits blame the underlying problem,

especially in a circumstance like this where they are claiming not enough was

done to prevent it, because I am sure we all know what those preventions look

like, and they will inevitably lead to the same situation.

Thanks for answering Jim.

E.H.

> Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

> I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

> reported his roommates describing " psychological " medications.

>

> This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if

> drug treatment

> will be in the records or not.

>

> I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on

> antidepressants or Xanax XR

> for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR inserts.

>

>

>

>

> thebubblecongeries wrote:

> >> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> >> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> >> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> >> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> >> cracks at university counseling.

> >>

> >> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> >> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> >> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> >> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> >> commit his killing spree.

> >>

> >> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> >> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

> >>

> >>

> >

> > Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his

possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Oh, I totally agree that the public has a right to know and I do suspect the

drugs too; I just wondered if the lawsuits are aimed at seeing if he was " crazy "

and this was why he did it or if the families had demonstrated publicly that

they had some understanding that it could be the drugs, and not " the underlying

disorder " .

It really, really scares me when lawsuits blame the underlying problem,

especially in a circumstance like this where they are claiming not enough was

done to prevent it, because I am sure we all know what those preventions look

like, and they will inevitably lead to the same situation.

Thanks for answering Jim.

E.H.

> Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

> I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

> reported his roommates describing " psychological " medications.

>

> This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if

> drug treatment

> will be in the records or not.

>

> I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on

> antidepressants or Xanax XR

> for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR inserts.

>

>

>

>

> thebubblecongeries wrote:

> >> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> >> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> >> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> >> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> >> cracks at university counseling.

> >>

> >> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> >> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> >> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> >> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> >> commit his killing spree.

> >>

> >> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> >> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

> >>

> >>

> >

> > Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his

possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The psychiatrists will always blame the underlying disorder because it

absolves them of guilt

and they can continue to use the dangerous drugs on patients without

fear of repercussions.

I was just happy something finally came out on his records, I figured

the whole thing was a

stonewall to prevent the drugs used to be blamed to prevent further

eroding confidence in drugs for

mental illness.

Best,

Jim

thebubblecongeries wrote:

Oh, I totally agree that the public has a right to know and I do suspect the drugs too; I just wondered if the lawsuits are aimed at seeing if he was "crazy" and this was why he did it or if the families had demonstrated publicly that they had some understanding that it could be the drugs, and not "the underlying disorder".

It really, really scares me when lawsuits blame the underlying problem, especially in a circumstance like this where they are claiming not enough was done to prevent it, because I am sure we all know what those preventions look like, and they will inevitably lead to the same situation. Thanks for answering Jim. E.H.

Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

reported his roommates describing "psychological" medications.

This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if drug treatment

will be in the records or not.

I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on antidepressants or Xanax XR

for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR inserts.

thebubblecongeries wrote:

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

The psychiatrists will always blame the underlying disorder because it

absolves them of guilt

and they can continue to use the dangerous drugs on patients without

fear of repercussions.

I was just happy something finally came out on his records, I figured

the whole thing was a

stonewall to prevent the drugs used to be blamed to prevent further

eroding confidence in drugs for

mental illness.

Best,

Jim

thebubblecongeries wrote:

Oh, I totally agree that the public has a right to know and I do suspect the drugs too; I just wondered if the lawsuits are aimed at seeing if he was "crazy" and this was why he did it or if the families had demonstrated publicly that they had some understanding that it could be the drugs, and not "the underlying disorder".

It really, really scares me when lawsuits blame the underlying problem, especially in a circumstance like this where they are claiming not enough was done to prevent it, because I am sure we all know what those preventions look like, and they will inevitably lead to the same situation. Thanks for answering Jim. E.H.

Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

reported his roommates describing "psychological" medications.

This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if drug treatment

will be in the records or not.

I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on antidepressants or Xanax XR

for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR inserts.

thebubblecongeries wrote:

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

The psychiatrists will always blame the underlying disorder because it

absolves them of guilt

and they can continue to use the dangerous drugs on patients without

fear of repercussions.

I was just happy something finally came out on his records, I figured

the whole thing was a

stonewall to prevent the drugs used to be blamed to prevent further

eroding confidence in drugs for

mental illness.

Best,

Jim

thebubblecongeries wrote:

Oh, I totally agree that the public has a right to know and I do suspect the drugs too; I just wondered if the lawsuits are aimed at seeing if he was "crazy" and this was why he did it or if the families had demonstrated publicly that they had some understanding that it could be the drugs, and not "the underlying disorder".

It really, really scares me when lawsuits blame the underlying problem, especially in a circumstance like this where they are claiming not enough was done to prevent it, because I am sure we all know what those preventions look like, and they will inevitably lead to the same situation. Thanks for answering Jim. E.H.

Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

reported his roommates describing "psychological" medications.

This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if drug treatment

will be in the records or not.

I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on antidepressants or Xanax XR

for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR inserts.

thebubblecongeries wrote:

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

The psychiatrists will always blame the underlying disorder because it

absolves them of guilt

and they can continue to use the dangerous drugs on patients without

fear of repercussions.

I was just happy something finally came out on his records, I figured

the whole thing was a

stonewall to prevent the drugs used to be blamed to prevent further

eroding confidence in drugs for

mental illness.

Best,

Jim

thebubblecongeries wrote:

Oh, I totally agree that the public has a right to know and I do suspect the drugs too; I just wondered if the lawsuits are aimed at seeing if he was "crazy" and this was why he did it or if the families had demonstrated publicly that they had some understanding that it could be the drugs, and not "the underlying disorder".

It really, really scares me when lawsuits blame the underlying problem, especially in a circumstance like this where they are claiming not enough was done to prevent it, because I am sure we all know what those preventions look like, and they will inevitably lead to the same situation. Thanks for answering Jim. E.H.

Killing 30 people is a classic psychiatric drug rage situation.

I think we all wanted to know what drugs he was on, the new York Times

reported his roommates describing "psychological" medications.

This doctor that had the records is a psychologist, so I don't know if drug treatment

will be in the records or not.

I feel the public has a right to know if Cho flipped out on antidepressants or Xanax XR

for that matter. Homicidal Ideation is in Effexor XR and Xanax XR inserts.

thebubblecongeries wrote:

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

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[Guest guest]

What about the studies from other countries showing that "schizophrenia" in "patients" who are NOT medicated, the condition resolves itself and they make full recoveries? Here they are automatically handed a life sentence that doesn't even entertain the notion of full recovery- because that construct doesn't fit into the medical model we refuse to see beyond. Here the world is still flat.

Anti-depressants are correlated with suicide (and violence) the black box warnings and the TV ads openingly state this fact as an known "side-effect" along with numerous other horrific "benefits" of being labeled and "treated" as "mentally ill" for life.

These conversations are myopic and self-perpetuating needs to sustain the writers personal opinions and fail to constructively consider anything that does not support the justification of drugging.

When we know and ignore that "patients" in other countries make competele recoveries without medication, but the drug rhetoric is held fast and firm here, the only question left to answer is, who is really BENEFITING from these "treatments"? Drugs are a profitable manner of benefiting from sustaining the suffering of others to maintain ones status, lifestyle and illusion that doing so, is morally sound.

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

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[Guest guest]

What about the studies from other countries showing that "schizophrenia" in "patients" who are NOT medicated, the condition resolves itself and they make full recoveries? Here they are automatically handed a life sentence that doesn't even entertain the notion of full recovery- because that construct doesn't fit into the medical model we refuse to see beyond. Here the world is still flat.

Anti-depressants are correlated with suicide (and violence) the black box warnings and the TV ads openingly state this fact as an known "side-effect" along with numerous other horrific "benefits" of being labeled and "treated" as "mentally ill" for life.

These conversations are myopic and self-perpetuating needs to sustain the writers personal opinions and fail to constructively consider anything that does not support the justification of drugging.

When we know and ignore that "patients" in other countries make competele recoveries without medication, but the drug rhetoric is held fast and firm here, the only question left to answer is, who is really BENEFITING from these "treatments"? Drugs are a profitable manner of benefiting from sustaining the suffering of others to maintain ones status, lifestyle and illusion that doing so, is morally sound.

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

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[Guest guest]

What about the studies from other countries showing that "schizophrenia" in "patients" who are NOT medicated, the condition resolves itself and they make full recoveries? Here they are automatically handed a life sentence that doesn't even entertain the notion of full recovery- because that construct doesn't fit into the medical model we refuse to see beyond. Here the world is still flat.

Anti-depressants are correlated with suicide (and violence) the black box warnings and the TV ads openingly state this fact as an known "side-effect" along with numerous other horrific "benefits" of being labeled and "treated" as "mentally ill" for life.

These conversations are myopic and self-perpetuating needs to sustain the writers personal opinions and fail to constructively consider anything that does not support the justification of drugging.

When we know and ignore that "patients" in other countries make competele recoveries without medication, but the drug rhetoric is held fast and firm here, the only question left to answer is, who is really BENEFITING from these "treatments"? Drugs are a profitable manner of benefiting from sustaining the suffering of others to maintain ones status, lifestyle and illusion that doing so, is morally sound.

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

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[Guest guest]

What about the studies from other countries showing that "schizophrenia" in "patients" who are NOT medicated, the condition resolves itself and they make full recoveries? Here they are automatically handed a life sentence that doesn't even entertain the notion of full recovery- because that construct doesn't fit into the medical model we refuse to see beyond. Here the world is still flat.

Anti-depressants are correlated with suicide (and violence) the black box warnings and the TV ads openingly state this fact as an known "side-effect" along with numerous other horrific "benefits" of being labeled and "treated" as "mentally ill" for life.

These conversations are myopic and self-perpetuating needs to sustain the writers personal opinions and fail to constructively consider anything that does not support the justification of drugging.

When we know and ignore that "patients" in other countries make competele recoveries without medication, but the drug rhetoric is held fast and firm here, the only question left to answer is, who is really BENEFITING from these "treatments"? Drugs are a profitable manner of benefiting from sustaining the suffering of others to maintain ones status, lifestyle and illusion that doing so, is morally sound.

While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how university officials and law enforcement responded following the first reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the cracks at university counseling.

In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center, several top university officials and a local mental health agency, claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to commit his killing spree.

The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

Does anyone know if these lawsuits are aimed at getting to the truth of his possible psych drug use/withdrawal? I haven't been following this at all.

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[Guest guest]

>

>

> http://news./s/ap/20090722/ap_on_re_us/us_virginia_tech_shooting

>

>

> Va. Tech gunman's mental records found in home

>

> By BOB LEWIS and SUE LINDSEY, Associated Press Writers Bob And Sue

> Lindsey, Associated Press Writers -- 1 hr 16 mins ago

>

> RICHMOND, Va. -- Mental health records for Virginia Tech gunman

> Seung-Hui Cho that were missing for more than two years have been

> discovered in the home of the university clinic's former director,

> according to a state memo sent to victims' family members.

>

> Cho killed 32 people on April 16, 2007, then committed suicide as police

> closed in. His mental health treatment has been a major issue in the

> vast investigation of the shootings, yet the records' location had

> eluded authorities until they were uncovered by attorneys for some

> families of Cho's victims.

>

> A memo from Gov. Tim Kaine's chief legal counsel to victims' family

> members says Cho's records and those of several other Virginia Tech

> students were found last week in the home of Dr. C. . The

> memo was obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday.

>

> The memo said Cho's records were removed from the Cook Counseling Center

> on the Virginia Tech campus more than a year before the shootings, when

> transferred from his position at the clinic. Records for several

> other students were also at his home, the memo said.

>

> " I appreciate your call, but I'm not making comment at this time, "

> said when reached at a number for his private practice.

>

> Kaine said a Virginia State Police criminal investigation was under way

> into how the records disappeared from the center where Cho was ordered

> to undergo counseling. Removing records from the center is illegal, he said.

>

> Kaine said he was dismayed that it took two years before they were found

> by the attorneys.

>

> " That is part of the investigation that I am very interested in and, of

> course, I'm very concerned about that, " Kaine said.

>

> The medical records are protected under state privacy laws. The state

> planned to release the records publicly as soon as possible, either by

> consent from Cho's estate or through a subpoena.

>

> The discovery calls into question the thoroughness of the criminal probe

> two years ago and the findings of a commission Kaine appointed to review

> the catastrophe, one victim's relative said.

>

> " Deception comes to my mind in my first response, " said Suzanne Grimes,

> whose son Sterne was injured in the shootings.

>

> " To say it doesn't make sense is an injustice, " she said. " It gives me

> the impression: 'What else are they hiding?' "

>

> She praised Kaine's willingness to investigate the disappearance of the

> records and have them released.

>

> " Until we get all the answers to what happened on that day and days

> prior, there's no sense of closure, " Grimes said.

>

> Goddard, whose son, Colin, survived four gunshots, welcomed the

> new information.

>

> " We're not looking to hang people. We're looking for more of the truth

> about what happened, " he said.

>

> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> cracks at university counseling.

>

> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> commit his killing spree.

>

> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

>

> The discovery shakes up that lawsuit, an attorney for the two families

> said.

>

> " Why would he () take any student mental health records to his

> home at any time, and why that student? " T. Hall said.

>

> " It certainly is a question of whether there is more to the Seung-Hui

> Cho mental health history than we've been told, " Hall said in a

> telephone interview from vacation in Vermont.

>

> Goddard, who was appointed last year to the state board of Mental

> Health, Mental Retardation and Substance Abuse Services, said he wasn't

> sure how helpful the records would be.

>

> But he said if they showed Cho was " anything other than this mildly

> upset student, " that needed to come out.

>

> ___

>

> Associated Press Writer Dena Potter in Richmond contributed to this

> report. Lindsey reported from Roanoke.

>

> (This version CORRECTS the middle initial for the former clinic director

> to C., not H.)

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> http://news./s/ap/20090722/ap_on_re_us/us_virginia_tech_shooting

>

>

> Va. Tech gunman's mental records found in home

>

> By BOB LEWIS and SUE LINDSEY, Associated Press Writers Bob And Sue

> Lindsey, Associated Press Writers -- 1 hr 16 mins ago

>

> RICHMOND, Va. -- Mental health records for Virginia Tech gunman

> Seung-Hui Cho that were missing for more than two years have been

> discovered in the home of the university clinic's former director,

> according to a state memo sent to victims' family members.

>

> Cho killed 32 people on April 16, 2007, then committed suicide as police

> closed in. His mental health treatment has been a major issue in the

> vast investigation of the shootings, yet the records' location had

> eluded authorities until they were uncovered by attorneys for some

> families of Cho's victims.

>

> A memo from Gov. Tim Kaine's chief legal counsel to victims' family

> members says Cho's records and those of several other Virginia Tech

> students were found last week in the home of Dr. C. . The

> memo was obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday.

>

> The memo said Cho's records were removed from the Cook Counseling Center

> on the Virginia Tech campus more than a year before the shootings, when

> transferred from his position at the clinic. Records for several

> other students were also at his home, the memo said.

>

> " I appreciate your call, but I'm not making comment at this time, "

> said when reached at a number for his private practice.

>

> Kaine said a Virginia State Police criminal investigation was under way

> into how the records disappeared from the center where Cho was ordered

> to undergo counseling. Removing records from the center is illegal, he said.

>

> Kaine said he was dismayed that it took two years before they were found

> by the attorneys.

>

> " That is part of the investigation that I am very interested in and, of

> course, I'm very concerned about that, " Kaine said.

>

> The medical records are protected under state privacy laws. The state

> planned to release the records publicly as soon as possible, either by

> consent from Cho's estate or through a subpoena.

>

> The discovery calls into question the thoroughness of the criminal probe

> two years ago and the findings of a commission Kaine appointed to review

> the catastrophe, one victim's relative said.

>

> " Deception comes to my mind in my first response, " said Suzanne Grimes,

> whose son Sterne was injured in the shootings.

>

> " To say it doesn't make sense is an injustice, " she said. " It gives me

> the impression: 'What else are they hiding?' "

>

> She praised Kaine's willingness to investigate the disappearance of the

> records and have them released.

>

> " Until we get all the answers to what happened on that day and days

> prior, there's no sense of closure, " Grimes said.

>

> Goddard, whose son, Colin, survived four gunshots, welcomed the

> new information.

>

> " We're not looking to hang people. We're looking for more of the truth

> about what happened, " he said.

>

> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> cracks at university counseling.

>

> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> commit his killing spree.

>

> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

>

> The discovery shakes up that lawsuit, an attorney for the two families

> said.

>

> " Why would he () take any student mental health records to his

> home at any time, and why that student? " T. Hall said.

>

> " It certainly is a question of whether there is more to the Seung-Hui

> Cho mental health history than we've been told, " Hall said in a

> telephone interview from vacation in Vermont.

>

> Goddard, who was appointed last year to the state board of Mental

> Health, Mental Retardation and Substance Abuse Services, said he wasn't

> sure how helpful the records would be.

>

> But he said if they showed Cho was " anything other than this mildly

> upset student, " that needed to come out.

>

> ___

>

> Associated Press Writer Dena Potter in Richmond contributed to this

> report. Lindsey reported from Roanoke.

>

> (This version CORRECTS the middle initial for the former clinic director

> to C., not H.)

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> http://news./s/ap/20090722/ap_on_re_us/us_virginia_tech_shooting

>

>

> Va. Tech gunman's mental records found in home

>

> By BOB LEWIS and SUE LINDSEY, Associated Press Writers Bob And Sue

> Lindsey, Associated Press Writers -- 1 hr 16 mins ago

>

> RICHMOND, Va. -- Mental health records for Virginia Tech gunman

> Seung-Hui Cho that were missing for more than two years have been

> discovered in the home of the university clinic's former director,

> according to a state memo sent to victims' family members.

>

> Cho killed 32 people on April 16, 2007, then committed suicide as police

> closed in. His mental health treatment has been a major issue in the

> vast investigation of the shootings, yet the records' location had

> eluded authorities until they were uncovered by attorneys for some

> families of Cho's victims.

>

> A memo from Gov. Tim Kaine's chief legal counsel to victims' family

> members says Cho's records and those of several other Virginia Tech

> students were found last week in the home of Dr. C. . The

> memo was obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday.

>

> The memo said Cho's records were removed from the Cook Counseling Center

> on the Virginia Tech campus more than a year before the shootings, when

> transferred from his position at the clinic. Records for several

> other students were also at his home, the memo said.

>

> " I appreciate your call, but I'm not making comment at this time, "

> said when reached at a number for his private practice.

>

> Kaine said a Virginia State Police criminal investigation was under way

> into how the records disappeared from the center where Cho was ordered

> to undergo counseling. Removing records from the center is illegal, he said.

>

> Kaine said he was dismayed that it took two years before they were found

> by the attorneys.

>

> " That is part of the investigation that I am very interested in and, of

> course, I'm very concerned about that, " Kaine said.

>

> The medical records are protected under state privacy laws. The state

> planned to release the records publicly as soon as possible, either by

> consent from Cho's estate or through a subpoena.

>

> The discovery calls into question the thoroughness of the criminal probe

> two years ago and the findings of a commission Kaine appointed to review

> the catastrophe, one victim's relative said.

>

> " Deception comes to my mind in my first response, " said Suzanne Grimes,

> whose son Sterne was injured in the shootings.

>

> " To say it doesn't make sense is an injustice, " she said. " It gives me

> the impression: 'What else are they hiding?' "

>

> She praised Kaine's willingness to investigate the disappearance of the

> records and have them released.

>

> " Until we get all the answers to what happened on that day and days

> prior, there's no sense of closure, " Grimes said.

>

> Goddard, whose son, Colin, survived four gunshots, welcomed the

> new information.

>

> " We're not looking to hang people. We're looking for more of the truth

> about what happened, " he said.

>

> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> cracks at university counseling.

>

> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> commit his killing spree.

>

> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

>

> The discovery shakes up that lawsuit, an attorney for the two families

> said.

>

> " Why would he () take any student mental health records to his

> home at any time, and why that student? " T. Hall said.

>

> " It certainly is a question of whether there is more to the Seung-Hui

> Cho mental health history than we've been told, " Hall said in a

> telephone interview from vacation in Vermont.

>

> Goddard, who was appointed last year to the state board of Mental

> Health, Mental Retardation and Substance Abuse Services, said he wasn't

> sure how helpful the records would be.

>

> But he said if they showed Cho was " anything other than this mildly

> upset student, " that needed to come out.

>

> ___

>

> Associated Press Writer Dena Potter in Richmond contributed to this

> report. Lindsey reported from Roanoke.

>

> (This version CORRECTS the middle initial for the former clinic director

> to C., not H.)

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> http://news./s/ap/20090722/ap_on_re_us/us_virginia_tech_shooting

>

>

> Va. Tech gunman's mental records found in home

>

> By BOB LEWIS and SUE LINDSEY, Associated Press Writers Bob And Sue

> Lindsey, Associated Press Writers -- 1 hr 16 mins ago

>

> RICHMOND, Va. -- Mental health records for Virginia Tech gunman

> Seung-Hui Cho that were missing for more than two years have been

> discovered in the home of the university clinic's former director,

> according to a state memo sent to victims' family members.

>

> Cho killed 32 people on April 16, 2007, then committed suicide as police

> closed in. His mental health treatment has been a major issue in the

> vast investigation of the shootings, yet the records' location had

> eluded authorities until they were uncovered by attorneys for some

> families of Cho's victims.

>

> A memo from Gov. Tim Kaine's chief legal counsel to victims' family

> members says Cho's records and those of several other Virginia Tech

> students were found last week in the home of Dr. C. . The

> memo was obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday.

>

> The memo said Cho's records were removed from the Cook Counseling Center

> on the Virginia Tech campus more than a year before the shootings, when

> transferred from his position at the clinic. Records for several

> other students were also at his home, the memo said.

>

> " I appreciate your call, but I'm not making comment at this time, "

> said when reached at a number for his private practice.

>

> Kaine said a Virginia State Police criminal investigation was under way

> into how the records disappeared from the center where Cho was ordered

> to undergo counseling. Removing records from the center is illegal, he said.

>

> Kaine said he was dismayed that it took two years before they were found

> by the attorneys.

>

> " That is part of the investigation that I am very interested in and, of

> course, I'm very concerned about that, " Kaine said.

>

> The medical records are protected under state privacy laws. The state

> planned to release the records publicly as soon as possible, either by

> consent from Cho's estate or through a subpoena.

>

> The discovery calls into question the thoroughness of the criminal probe

> two years ago and the findings of a commission Kaine appointed to review

> the catastrophe, one victim's relative said.

>

> " Deception comes to my mind in my first response, " said Suzanne Grimes,

> whose son Sterne was injured in the shootings.

>

> " To say it doesn't make sense is an injustice, " she said. " It gives me

> the impression: 'What else are they hiding?' "

>

> She praised Kaine's willingness to investigate the disappearance of the

> records and have them released.

>

> " Until we get all the answers to what happened on that day and days

> prior, there's no sense of closure, " Grimes said.

>

> Goddard, whose son, Colin, survived four gunshots, welcomed the

> new information.

>

> " We're not looking to hang people. We're looking for more of the truth

> about what happened, " he said.

>

> While a large part of the shooting investigation focused on how

> university officials and law enforcement responded following the first

> reports of deaths in a Virginia Tech dormitory, family members of

> victims have also inquired how the troubled Cho slipped through the

> cracks at university counseling.

>

> In April, on the second anniversary of the shootings, families of two

> slain students sued the state, the school and its counseling center,

> several top university officials and a local mental health agency,

> claiming gross negligence in the chain of events that allowed Cho to

> commit his killing spree.

>

> The lawsuits also claim the local health center where Cho had gone to

> say he felt suicidal did not adequately treat or monitor him.

>

> The discovery shakes up that lawsuit, an attorney for the two families

> said.

>

> " Why would he () take any student mental health records to his

> home at any time, and why that student? " T. Hall said.

>

> " It certainly is a question of whether there is more to the Seung-Hui

> Cho mental health history than we've been told, " Hall said in a

> telephone interview from vacation in Vermont.

>

> Goddard, who was appointed last year to the state board of Mental

> Health, Mental Retardation and Substance Abuse Services, said he wasn't

> sure how helpful the records would be.

>

> But he said if they showed Cho was " anything other than this mildly

> upset student, " that needed to come out.

>

> ___

>

> Associated Press Writer Dena Potter in Richmond contributed to this

> report. Lindsey reported from Roanoke.

>

> (This version CORRECTS the middle initial for the former clinic director

> to C., not H.)

>