Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: I don't believe a " medical condition " has to have blood tests I feel " MENTAL ILLNESS " has criteria just like hypertension or cancer. You mean to tell me there are no diagnosable symptoms for bi-polar/depression/schizophrenia. I feel you are wrong but maybe you can convince me differently????? Then how would you dx such an illness for which there is no test? It's all subjective. If you think we are all wrong and there ARE dx-able symptoms for BP etc., what are they? Is it like ADD where tapping your foot, tapping your pencil, makes you ADD? I'm sorry, but I ain't buying this. It's like the quacks who told me I wasn't really in pain, I was depressed. When in fact I needed complete shoulder reconstruction and two years of therapy to regain use of my arm injured in a car accident. Depressed? Sure I was depressed because I couldn't work, couldn't get dressed, and couldn't drive, but instead of giving me treatment for the underlying cause of my anxiety and depression, they treated the symptoms with the drug from hell -- Paxil, from which I have never recovered, although I did recover from the surgery. Please don't believe you have a disease. It's just a bunch of money-making hooey so Big Pharma can make obscene amounts of money off your problems, which will never ever go away as long as you are in the clutches of some drug-pushing psychiatrist. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real? Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as adults, that this is not real? This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie. having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art than a science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real? Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as adults, that this is not real? This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie. having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art than a science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real? Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as adults, that this is not real? This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie. having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art than a science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real? Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as adults, that this is not real? This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie. having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art than a science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to > quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art > than a science. How are you defining mental illness? It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe, but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill? My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy, counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics). What do other people here think? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to > quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art > than a science. How are you defining mental illness? It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe, but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill? My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy, counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics). What do other people here think? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to > quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art > than a science. How are you defining mental illness? It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe, but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill? My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy, counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics). What do other people here think? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to > quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art > than a science. How are you defining mental illness? It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe, but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill? My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy, counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics). What do other people here think? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 " YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!!!! " Re: criteria In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: I don't believe a " medical condition " has to have blood tests I feel " MENTAL ILLNESS " has criteria just like hypertension or cancer. You mean to tell me there are no diagnosable symptoms for bi-polar/depression /schizophrenia. I feel you are wrong but maybe you can convince me differently? ???? Then how would you dx such an illness for which there is no test? It's all subjective. If you think we are all wrong and there ARE dx-able symptoms for BP etc., what are they? Is it like ADD where tapping your foot, tapping your pencil, makes you ADD? I'm sorry, but I ain't buying this. It's like the quacks who told me I wasn't really in pain, I was depressed. When in fact I needed complete shoulder reconstruction and two years of therapy to regain use of my arm injured in a car accident. Depressed? Sure I was depressed because I couldn't work, couldn't get dressed, and couldn't drive, but instead of giving me treatment for the underlying cause of my anxiety and depression, they treated the symptoms with the drug from hell -- Paxil, from which I have never recovered, although I did recover from the surgery. Please don't believe you have a disease. It's just a bunch of money-making hooey so Big Pharma can make obscene amounts of money off your problems, which will never ever go away as long as you are in the clutches of some drug-pushing psychiatrist. ************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol. com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 " YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!!!! " Re: criteria In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: I don't believe a " medical condition " has to have blood tests I feel " MENTAL ILLNESS " has criteria just like hypertension or cancer. You mean to tell me there are no diagnosable symptoms for bi-polar/depression /schizophrenia. I feel you are wrong but maybe you can convince me differently? ???? Then how would you dx such an illness for which there is no test? It's all subjective. If you think we are all wrong and there ARE dx-able symptoms for BP etc., what are they? Is it like ADD where tapping your foot, tapping your pencil, makes you ADD? I'm sorry, but I ain't buying this. It's like the quacks who told me I wasn't really in pain, I was depressed. When in fact I needed complete shoulder reconstruction and two years of therapy to regain use of my arm injured in a car accident. Depressed? Sure I was depressed because I couldn't work, couldn't get dressed, and couldn't drive, but instead of giving me treatment for the underlying cause of my anxiety and depression, they treated the symptoms with the drug from hell -- Paxil, from which I have never recovered, although I did recover from the surgery. Please don't believe you have a disease. It's just a bunch of money-making hooey so Big Pharma can make obscene amounts of money off your problems, which will never ever go away as long as you are in the clutches of some drug-pushing psychiatrist. ************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol. com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 " YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!!!! " Re: criteria In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: I don't believe a " medical condition " has to have blood tests I feel " MENTAL ILLNESS " has criteria just like hypertension or cancer. You mean to tell me there are no diagnosable symptoms for bi-polar/depression /schizophrenia. I feel you are wrong but maybe you can convince me differently? ???? Then how would you dx such an illness for which there is no test? It's all subjective. If you think we are all wrong and there ARE dx-able symptoms for BP etc., what are they? Is it like ADD where tapping your foot, tapping your pencil, makes you ADD? I'm sorry, but I ain't buying this. It's like the quacks who told me I wasn't really in pain, I was depressed. When in fact I needed complete shoulder reconstruction and two years of therapy to regain use of my arm injured in a car accident. Depressed? Sure I was depressed because I couldn't work, couldn't get dressed, and couldn't drive, but instead of giving me treatment for the underlying cause of my anxiety and depression, they treated the symptoms with the drug from hell -- Paxil, from which I have never recovered, although I did recover from the surgery. Please don't believe you have a disease. It's just a bunch of money-making hooey so Big Pharma can make obscene amounts of money off your problems, which will never ever go away as long as you are in the clutches of some drug-pushing psychiatrist. ************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol. com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 " YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!!!! " Re: criteria In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: I don't believe a " medical condition " has to have blood tests I feel " MENTAL ILLNESS " has criteria just like hypertension or cancer. You mean to tell me there are no diagnosable symptoms for bi-polar/depression /schizophrenia. I feel you are wrong but maybe you can convince me differently? ???? Then how would you dx such an illness for which there is no test? It's all subjective. If you think we are all wrong and there ARE dx-able symptoms for BP etc., what are they? Is it like ADD where tapping your foot, tapping your pencil, makes you ADD? I'm sorry, but I ain't buying this. It's like the quacks who told me I wasn't really in pain, I was depressed. When in fact I needed complete shoulder reconstruction and two years of therapy to regain use of my arm injured in a car accident. Depressed? Sure I was depressed because I couldn't work, couldn't get dressed, and couldn't drive, but instead of giving me treatment for the underlying cause of my anxiety and depression, they treated the symptoms with the drug from hell -- Paxil, from which I have never recovered, although I did recover from the surgery. Please don't believe you have a disease. It's just a bunch of money-making hooey so Big Pharma can make obscene amounts of money off your problems, which will never ever go away as long as you are in the clutches of some drug-pushing psychiatrist. ************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol. com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hi , (all is well, btw...how are you?) I agree completely. I particularly like the " ...should point the educated practitioner to root causes. " statement. Someone is dx'd " mentally ill " with (take your pick) and it is found to be an allergy, or malabsorbtion...or hidden trauma..whatever..are they still " mentally ill " with some disease? No...the cause is found and the cause is addressed...the " mental illness " is the symptom. When " they " call it " mental illness " and label it a disease, and leave it at that...they are merely expressing ignorance. My best, Dan > It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in > this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the > loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood > sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have > said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated > practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse > could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may > not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a > person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these > effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe, > but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill? > > My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in > their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the > advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy, > counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or > extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly > effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too > freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics). > > What do other people here think? > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hi , (all is well, btw...how are you?) I agree completely. I particularly like the " ...should point the educated practitioner to root causes. " statement. Someone is dx'd " mentally ill " with (take your pick) and it is found to be an allergy, or malabsorbtion...or hidden trauma..whatever..are they still " mentally ill " with some disease? No...the cause is found and the cause is addressed...the " mental illness " is the symptom. When " they " call it " mental illness " and label it a disease, and leave it at that...they are merely expressing ignorance. My best, Dan > It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in > this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the > loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood > sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have > said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated > practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse > could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may > not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a > person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these > effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe, > but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill? > > My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in > their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the > advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy, > counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or > extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly > effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too > freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics). > > What do other people here think? > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hi , (all is well, btw...how are you?) I agree completely. I particularly like the " ...should point the educated practitioner to root causes. " statement. Someone is dx'd " mentally ill " with (take your pick) and it is found to be an allergy, or malabsorbtion...or hidden trauma..whatever..are they still " mentally ill " with some disease? No...the cause is found and the cause is addressed...the " mental illness " is the symptom. When " they " call it " mental illness " and label it a disease, and leave it at that...they are merely expressing ignorance. My best, Dan > It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in > this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the > loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood > sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have > said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated > practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse > could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may > not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a > person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these > effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe, > but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill? > > My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in > their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the > advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy, > counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or > extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly > effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too > freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics). > > What do other people here think? > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hi , (all is well, btw...how are you?) I agree completely. I particularly like the " ...should point the educated practitioner to root causes. " statement. Someone is dx'd " mentally ill " with (take your pick) and it is found to be an allergy, or malabsorbtion...or hidden trauma..whatever..are they still " mentally ill " with some disease? No...the cause is found and the cause is addressed...the " mental illness " is the symptom. When " they " call it " mental illness " and label it a disease, and leave it at that...they are merely expressing ignorance. My best, Dan > It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in > this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the > loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood > sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have > said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated > practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse > could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may > not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a > person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these > effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe, > but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill? > > My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in > their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the > advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy, > counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or > extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly > effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too > freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics). > > What do other people here think? > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 >>> Please don't believe you have a disease. It's just a bunch of money-making hooey so Big Pharma can make obscene amounts of money off your problems, which will never ever go away as long as you are in the clutches of some drug-pushing psychiatrist. Disease? I'm not sure what to call it myself, but i do believe in many cases there are serious issues that exist in the central nervous system and i believe that in most cases they are induced by the medical association. I've heard this argument over and over and over since i began to deal with my son's illness. And i don't like labels, but i know for sure that before any legal drugs my son's brain had malfunctioned. I do believe that most of his issues began with his vaccines, so i believe that most of what I'm dealing with is induced by the same people that want to label him. For that reason alone i detest labels. And i don't like saying that he has some kind of disease, but I'm sure that there is a malfunction with the neuro transmitters, because that is exactly what the vaccines attack. My son wasn't dealing with a broke arm, his symptoms were much worse. Do i need to run a test to tell me there is something wrong? No, i can see it with my own eyes. As far as those who are coming out of the service, first of all they shouldn't be there in the first place. Jesus clearly gave instruction on how to deal with our enemies and it wasn't to go and hunt them down and kill them in order to defend the right to believe the way that we want to. Murder for any reason is hard to deal with, but when your injecting all kinds of neuro toxins and viruses straight into the blood stream (service men are injected with all kinds of garbage through vaccines) you are setting a person up to be mentally unstable to began with. I mean murder or killing someone, however you want to look at it is bad enough, but then to have all kinds of toxins injected in the body that effect the mind? Your asking for exactly what we're seeing. Soldiers on all kinds of Psyche meds and them coming back and killing themselves and or their families. No child, no man or woman has what is necessary to deal with what they are required to do over there. We are simply not equipped to deal with such a thing in the first place. Depression is real, but did you get the flu shot? Are you eating garbage and not exercising? Did you inherit some genetic flaw that your mom or dad got after being vaccinated? Do these creeps have the right to label something THEY gave us? To call us sick or diseased after they inflicted the disease on us? Their injecting our food with all kinds of vaccines, hormones, antibiotics all for the sake of the almighty dollar and the one world order. Their doing all kinds of crazy stuff with our food, if we're sick or diseased it's because we're allowing them to get away with it. There is a lot more to be said here. It's about much more than just labels and it's not being addressed!! Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 >>> Please don't believe you have a disease. It's just a bunch of money-making hooey so Big Pharma can make obscene amounts of money off your problems, which will never ever go away as long as you are in the clutches of some drug-pushing psychiatrist. Disease? I'm not sure what to call it myself, but i do believe in many cases there are serious issues that exist in the central nervous system and i believe that in most cases they are induced by the medical association. I've heard this argument over and over and over since i began to deal with my son's illness. And i don't like labels, but i know for sure that before any legal drugs my son's brain had malfunctioned. I do believe that most of his issues began with his vaccines, so i believe that most of what I'm dealing with is induced by the same people that want to label him. For that reason alone i detest labels. And i don't like saying that he has some kind of disease, but I'm sure that there is a malfunction with the neuro transmitters, because that is exactly what the vaccines attack. My son wasn't dealing with a broke arm, his symptoms were much worse. Do i need to run a test to tell me there is something wrong? No, i can see it with my own eyes. As far as those who are coming out of the service, first of all they shouldn't be there in the first place. Jesus clearly gave instruction on how to deal with our enemies and it wasn't to go and hunt them down and kill them in order to defend the right to believe the way that we want to. Murder for any reason is hard to deal with, but when your injecting all kinds of neuro toxins and viruses straight into the blood stream (service men are injected with all kinds of garbage through vaccines) you are setting a person up to be mentally unstable to began with. I mean murder or killing someone, however you want to look at it is bad enough, but then to have all kinds of toxins injected in the body that effect the mind? Your asking for exactly what we're seeing. Soldiers on all kinds of Psyche meds and them coming back and killing themselves and or their families. No child, no man or woman has what is necessary to deal with what they are required to do over there. We are simply not equipped to deal with such a thing in the first place. Depression is real, but did you get the flu shot? Are you eating garbage and not exercising? Did you inherit some genetic flaw that your mom or dad got after being vaccinated? Do these creeps have the right to label something THEY gave us? To call us sick or diseased after they inflicted the disease on us? Their injecting our food with all kinds of vaccines, hormones, antibiotics all for the sake of the almighty dollar and the one world order. Their doing all kinds of crazy stuff with our food, if we're sick or diseased it's because we're allowing them to get away with it. There is a lot more to be said here. It's about much more than just labels and it's not being addressed!! Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 >>> Please don't believe you have a disease. It's just a bunch of money-making hooey so Big Pharma can make obscene amounts of money off your problems, which will never ever go away as long as you are in the clutches of some drug-pushing psychiatrist. Disease? I'm not sure what to call it myself, but i do believe in many cases there are serious issues that exist in the central nervous system and i believe that in most cases they are induced by the medical association. I've heard this argument over and over and over since i began to deal with my son's illness. And i don't like labels, but i know for sure that before any legal drugs my son's brain had malfunctioned. I do believe that most of his issues began with his vaccines, so i believe that most of what I'm dealing with is induced by the same people that want to label him. For that reason alone i detest labels. And i don't like saying that he has some kind of disease, but I'm sure that there is a malfunction with the neuro transmitters, because that is exactly what the vaccines attack. My son wasn't dealing with a broke arm, his symptoms were much worse. Do i need to run a test to tell me there is something wrong? No, i can see it with my own eyes. As far as those who are coming out of the service, first of all they shouldn't be there in the first place. Jesus clearly gave instruction on how to deal with our enemies and it wasn't to go and hunt them down and kill them in order to defend the right to believe the way that we want to. Murder for any reason is hard to deal with, but when your injecting all kinds of neuro toxins and viruses straight into the blood stream (service men are injected with all kinds of garbage through vaccines) you are setting a person up to be mentally unstable to began with. I mean murder or killing someone, however you want to look at it is bad enough, but then to have all kinds of toxins injected in the body that effect the mind? Your asking for exactly what we're seeing. Soldiers on all kinds of Psyche meds and them coming back and killing themselves and or their families. No child, no man or woman has what is necessary to deal with what they are required to do over there. We are simply not equipped to deal with such a thing in the first place. Depression is real, but did you get the flu shot? Are you eating garbage and not exercising? Did you inherit some genetic flaw that your mom or dad got after being vaccinated? Do these creeps have the right to label something THEY gave us? To call us sick or diseased after they inflicted the disease on us? Their injecting our food with all kinds of vaccines, hormones, antibiotics all for the sake of the almighty dollar and the one world order. Their doing all kinds of crazy stuff with our food, if we're sick or diseased it's because we're allowing them to get away with it. There is a lot more to be said here. It's about much more than just labels and it's not being addressed!! Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 >>> Please don't believe you have a disease. It's just a bunch of money-making hooey so Big Pharma can make obscene amounts of money off your problems, which will never ever go away as long as you are in the clutches of some drug-pushing psychiatrist. Disease? I'm not sure what to call it myself, but i do believe in many cases there are serious issues that exist in the central nervous system and i believe that in most cases they are induced by the medical association. I've heard this argument over and over and over since i began to deal with my son's illness. And i don't like labels, but i know for sure that before any legal drugs my son's brain had malfunctioned. I do believe that most of his issues began with his vaccines, so i believe that most of what I'm dealing with is induced by the same people that want to label him. For that reason alone i detest labels. And i don't like saying that he has some kind of disease, but I'm sure that there is a malfunction with the neuro transmitters, because that is exactly what the vaccines attack. My son wasn't dealing with a broke arm, his symptoms were much worse. Do i need to run a test to tell me there is something wrong? No, i can see it with my own eyes. As far as those who are coming out of the service, first of all they shouldn't be there in the first place. Jesus clearly gave instruction on how to deal with our enemies and it wasn't to go and hunt them down and kill them in order to defend the right to believe the way that we want to. Murder for any reason is hard to deal with, but when your injecting all kinds of neuro toxins and viruses straight into the blood stream (service men are injected with all kinds of garbage through vaccines) you are setting a person up to be mentally unstable to began with. I mean murder or killing someone, however you want to look at it is bad enough, but then to have all kinds of toxins injected in the body that effect the mind? Your asking for exactly what we're seeing. Soldiers on all kinds of Psyche meds and them coming back and killing themselves and or their families. No child, no man or woman has what is necessary to deal with what they are required to do over there. We are simply not equipped to deal with such a thing in the first place. Depression is real, but did you get the flu shot? Are you eating garbage and not exercising? Did you inherit some genetic flaw that your mom or dad got after being vaccinated? Do these creeps have the right to label something THEY gave us? To call us sick or diseased after they inflicted the disease on us? Their injecting our food with all kinds of vaccines, hormones, antibiotics all for the sake of the almighty dollar and the one world order. Their doing all kinds of crazy stuff with our food, if we're sick or diseased it's because we're allowing them to get away with it. There is a lot more to be said here. It's about much more than just labels and it's not being addressed!! Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 > > As far as those who are coming out of the > service, first of all they shouldn't be there in the first place. > Jesus clearly gave instruction on how to deal with our enemies and it > wasn't to go and hunt them down and kill them in order to defend the > right to believe the way that we want to. I know this is an SSRI forum and this discussion is a bit off topic, but I just wanted to add a thought. I used to be pretty much of an anti-military mind as well. I'm the sort of " liberal " that still seems to be a dirty word at the moment. However, when I moved to the UK, I learned about the very real legacy of the two world wars here. It's much more tangible here than in the US. Nazi planes flew over Leicester as well as London. My in-laws walked past German POW camps on their way to school. They volunteered locally to help with the wounded. This country stood a very real chance of becoming part of the Nazi empire. It would have happened if we hadn't had an army (and the help of the Americans) to defend ourselves. Things aren't always black-and-white. I believe that almost all wars are unecessary, but I can't deny the fact that it would not have been a good thing for Hitler to take over a large part of the world. However, whatever the reason soldiers have been deployed, then if they are wounded they need to be looked after by the same system that sent them out in the first place. They should not be injected with poisonous drugs and abandoned. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 > > As far as those who are coming out of the > service, first of all they shouldn't be there in the first place. > Jesus clearly gave instruction on how to deal with our enemies and it > wasn't to go and hunt them down and kill them in order to defend the > right to believe the way that we want to. I know this is an SSRI forum and this discussion is a bit off topic, but I just wanted to add a thought. I used to be pretty much of an anti-military mind as well. I'm the sort of " liberal " that still seems to be a dirty word at the moment. However, when I moved to the UK, I learned about the very real legacy of the two world wars here. It's much more tangible here than in the US. Nazi planes flew over Leicester as well as London. My in-laws walked past German POW camps on their way to school. They volunteered locally to help with the wounded. This country stood a very real chance of becoming part of the Nazi empire. It would have happened if we hadn't had an army (and the help of the Americans) to defend ourselves. Things aren't always black-and-white. I believe that almost all wars are unecessary, but I can't deny the fact that it would not have been a good thing for Hitler to take over a large part of the world. However, whatever the reason soldiers have been deployed, then if they are wounded they need to be looked after by the same system that sent them out in the first place. They should not be injected with poisonous drugs and abandoned. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 > > As far as those who are coming out of the > service, first of all they shouldn't be there in the first place. > Jesus clearly gave instruction on how to deal with our enemies and it > wasn't to go and hunt them down and kill them in order to defend the > right to believe the way that we want to. I know this is an SSRI forum and this discussion is a bit off topic, but I just wanted to add a thought. I used to be pretty much of an anti-military mind as well. I'm the sort of " liberal " that still seems to be a dirty word at the moment. However, when I moved to the UK, I learned about the very real legacy of the two world wars here. It's much more tangible here than in the US. Nazi planes flew over Leicester as well as London. My in-laws walked past German POW camps on their way to school. They volunteered locally to help with the wounded. This country stood a very real chance of becoming part of the Nazi empire. It would have happened if we hadn't had an army (and the help of the Americans) to defend ourselves. Things aren't always black-and-white. I believe that almost all wars are unecessary, but I can't deny the fact that it would not have been a good thing for Hitler to take over a large part of the world. However, whatever the reason soldiers have been deployed, then if they are wounded they need to be looked after by the same system that sent them out in the first place. They should not be injected with poisonous drugs and abandoned. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 > > As far as those who are coming out of the > service, first of all they shouldn't be there in the first place. > Jesus clearly gave instruction on how to deal with our enemies and it > wasn't to go and hunt them down and kill them in order to defend the > right to believe the way that we want to. I know this is an SSRI forum and this discussion is a bit off topic, but I just wanted to add a thought. I used to be pretty much of an anti-military mind as well. I'm the sort of " liberal " that still seems to be a dirty word at the moment. However, when I moved to the UK, I learned about the very real legacy of the two world wars here. It's much more tangible here than in the US. Nazi planes flew over Leicester as well as London. My in-laws walked past German POW camps on their way to school. They volunteered locally to help with the wounded. This country stood a very real chance of becoming part of the Nazi empire. It would have happened if we hadn't had an army (and the help of the Americans) to defend ourselves. Things aren't always black-and-white. I believe that almost all wars are unecessary, but I can't deny the fact that it would not have been a good thing for Hitler to take over a large part of the world. However, whatever the reason soldiers have been deployed, then if they are wounded they need to be looked after by the same system that sent them out in the first place. They should not be injected with poisonous drugs and abandoned. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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