Re: Re: criteria

[Guest guest]

I agree with you 100% just because you can't identify it with blood tests it

does not mean that it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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[Guest guest]

I agree with you 100% just because you can't identify it with blood tests it

does not mean that it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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[Guest guest]

I agree with you 100% just because you can't identify it with blood tests it

does not mean that it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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[Guest guest]

I agree with you 100% just because you can't identify it with blood tests it

does not mean that it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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[Guest guest]

My thoughts,

Cannot treat just the mind and ignore your body. Cannot treat just the body and

ignore your mental condition. The two go hand in hand, something which most

doctors and people forget.

I think doctors, not just psychiatrists, need to go back treating the whole

person, mind, body and soul.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: criteria

mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

> quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an

art

> than a science.

How are you defining mental illness?

It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in

this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the

loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood

sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have

said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated

practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse

could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may

not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a

person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these

effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe,

but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill?

My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in

their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the

advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy,

counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or

extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly

effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too

freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics).

What do other people here think?

.

[Guest guest]

My thoughts,

Cannot treat just the mind and ignore your body. Cannot treat just the body and

ignore your mental condition. The two go hand in hand, something which most

doctors and people forget.

I think doctors, not just psychiatrists, need to go back treating the whole

person, mind, body and soul.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: criteria

mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

> quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an

art

> than a science.

How are you defining mental illness?

It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in

this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the

loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood

sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have

said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated

practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse

could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may

not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a

person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these

effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe,

but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill?

My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in

their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the

advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy,

counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or

extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly

effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too

freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics).

What do other people here think?

.

[Guest guest]

My thoughts,

Cannot treat just the mind and ignore your body. Cannot treat just the body and

ignore your mental condition. The two go hand in hand, something which most

doctors and people forget.

I think doctors, not just psychiatrists, need to go back treating the whole

person, mind, body and soul.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: criteria

mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

> quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an

art

> than a science.

How are you defining mental illness?

It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in

this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the

loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood

sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have

said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated

practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse

could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may

not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a

person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these

effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe,

but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill?

My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in

their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the

advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy,

counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or

extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly

effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too

freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics).

What do other people here think?

.

[Guest guest]

My thoughts,

Cannot treat just the mind and ignore your body. Cannot treat just the body and

ignore your mental condition. The two go hand in hand, something which most

doctors and people forget.

I think doctors, not just psychiatrists, need to go back treating the whole

person, mind, body and soul.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: criteria

mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

> quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an

art

> than a science.

How are you defining mental illness?

It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in

this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the

loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood

sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have

said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated

practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse

could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may

not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a

person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these

effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe,

but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill?

My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in

their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the

advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy,

counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or

extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly

effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too

freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics).

What do other people here think?

.

[Guest guest]

There is no debate on this.

The words " ilness " and " disease " are not compatible in medical terms

when

describing a mental condition.

Absolutely people have mental conditions, but they are not biological

or physically

based - otherwise science could run some sort of precision test to

verify this.

Psychiatrists don't have precision tests. They have " uh, hmm, let me

see, gosh, I think

you might (fill in the blank) It's all subjective. And that's why

mothers don't get the

scientific biological medical test results that show their children are

ADHD.

That's because there are no scientific biological tests that are used.

The derivation of the word " psych " means spirit. But psychiatrists

don't treat

spiritual travails. For the most part, they treat the body with

biological methods which

is never going to solve anything or cure anyone.

Re: Re: criteria

I agree with you 100% just because you can't identify it with blood

tests it does not mean that it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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[Guest guest]

There is no debate on this.

The words " ilness " and " disease " are not compatible in medical terms

when

describing a mental condition.

Absolutely people have mental conditions, but they are not biological

or physically

based - otherwise science could run some sort of precision test to

verify this.

Psychiatrists don't have precision tests. They have " uh, hmm, let me

see, gosh, I think

you might (fill in the blank) It's all subjective. And that's why

mothers don't get the

scientific biological medical test results that show their children are

ADHD.

That's because there are no scientific biological tests that are used.

The derivation of the word " psych " means spirit. But psychiatrists

don't treat

spiritual travails. For the most part, they treat the body with

biological methods which

is never going to solve anything or cure anyone.

Re: Re: criteria

I agree with you 100% just because you can't identify it with blood

tests it does not mean that it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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[Guest guest]

There is no debate on this.

The words " ilness " and " disease " are not compatible in medical terms

when

describing a mental condition.

Absolutely people have mental conditions, but they are not biological

or physically

based - otherwise science could run some sort of precision test to

verify this.

Psychiatrists don't have precision tests. They have " uh, hmm, let me

see, gosh, I think

you might (fill in the blank) It's all subjective. And that's why

mothers don't get the

scientific biological medical test results that show their children are

ADHD.

That's because there are no scientific biological tests that are used.

The derivation of the word " psych " means spirit. But psychiatrists

don't treat

spiritual travails. For the most part, they treat the body with

biological methods which

is never going to solve anything or cure anyone.

Re: Re: criteria

I agree with you 100% just because you can't identify it with blood

tests it does not mean that it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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[Guest guest]

There is no debate on this.

The words " ilness " and " disease " are not compatible in medical terms

when

describing a mental condition.

Absolutely people have mental conditions, but they are not biological

or physically

based - otherwise science could run some sort of precision test to

verify this.

Psychiatrists don't have precision tests. They have " uh, hmm, let me

see, gosh, I think

you might (fill in the blank) It's all subjective. And that's why

mothers don't get the

scientific biological medical test results that show their children are

ADHD.

That's because there are no scientific biological tests that are used.

The derivation of the word " psych " means spirit. But psychiatrists

don't treat

spiritual travails. For the most part, they treat the body with

biological methods which

is never going to solve anything or cure anyone.

Re: Re: criteria

I agree with you 100% just because you can't identify it with blood

tests it does not mean that it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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[Guest guest]

Melinda,

You said it. I agree with you there. Because of them not treating me as a

whole person, I basically lost 10 yrs of my life to these drugs. If they

were more focused on me and figuring out why I felt the way I did back then,

I wouldn't of needed the anti-depressants.

One reason I see a naturopath and seeking a D.O. that actually practices it.

hugs

Micki

Health Eating and Living Together

he2gether_/

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

_____

From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ]

On Behalf Of Melinda

Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:24 PM

SSRI medications

Subject: Re: Re: criteria

My thoughts,

Cannot treat just the mind and ignore your body. Cannot treat just the body

and ignore your mental condition. The two go hand in hand, something which

most doctors and people forget.

I think doctors, not just psychiatrists, need to go back treating the whole

person, mind, body and soul.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: criteria

mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

> quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an

art

> than a science.

How are you defining mental illness?

It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in

this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the

loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood

sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have

said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated

practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse

could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may

not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a

person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these

effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe,

but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill?

My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in

their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the

advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy,

counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or

extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly

effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too

freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics).

What do other people here think?

.

[Guest guest]

Melinda,

You said it. I agree with you there. Because of them not treating me as a

whole person, I basically lost 10 yrs of my life to these drugs. If they

were more focused on me and figuring out why I felt the way I did back then,

I wouldn't of needed the anti-depressants.

One reason I see a naturopath and seeking a D.O. that actually practices it.

hugs

Micki

Health Eating and Living Together

he2gether_/

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

_____

From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ]

On Behalf Of Melinda

Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:24 PM

SSRI medications

Subject: Re: Re: criteria

My thoughts,

Cannot treat just the mind and ignore your body. Cannot treat just the body

and ignore your mental condition. The two go hand in hand, something which

most doctors and people forget.

I think doctors, not just psychiatrists, need to go back treating the whole

person, mind, body and soul.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: criteria

mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

> quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an

art

> than a science.

How are you defining mental illness?

It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in

this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the

loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood

sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have

said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated

practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse

could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may

not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a

person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these

effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe,

but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill?

My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in

their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the

advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy,

counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or

extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly

effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too

freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics).

What do other people here think?

.

[Guest guest]

Melinda,

You said it. I agree with you there. Because of them not treating me as a

whole person, I basically lost 10 yrs of my life to these drugs. If they

were more focused on me and figuring out why I felt the way I did back then,

I wouldn't of needed the anti-depressants.

One reason I see a naturopath and seeking a D.O. that actually practices it.

hugs

Micki

Health Eating and Living Together

he2gether_/

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

_____

From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ]

On Behalf Of Melinda

Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:24 PM

SSRI medications

Subject: Re: Re: criteria

My thoughts,

Cannot treat just the mind and ignore your body. Cannot treat just the body

and ignore your mental condition. The two go hand in hand, something which

most doctors and people forget.

I think doctors, not just psychiatrists, need to go back treating the whole

person, mind, body and soul.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: criteria

mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

> quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an

art

> than a science.

How are you defining mental illness?

It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in

this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the

loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood

sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have

said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated

practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse

could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may

not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a

person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these

effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe,

but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill?

My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in

their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the

advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy,

counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or

extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly

effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too

freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics).

What do other people here think?

.

[Guest guest]

Melinda,

You said it. I agree with you there. Because of them not treating me as a

whole person, I basically lost 10 yrs of my life to these drugs. If they

were more focused on me and figuring out why I felt the way I did back then,

I wouldn't of needed the anti-depressants.

One reason I see a naturopath and seeking a D.O. that actually practices it.

hugs

Micki

Health Eating and Living Together

he2gether_/

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

_____

From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ]

On Behalf Of Melinda

Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:24 PM

SSRI medications

Subject: Re: Re: criteria

My thoughts,

Cannot treat just the mind and ignore your body. Cannot treat just the body

and ignore your mental condition. The two go hand in hand, something which

most doctors and people forget.

I think doctors, not just psychiatrists, need to go back treating the whole

person, mind, body and soul.

Melinda and Jayme her Silver Winged Companion

Re: criteria

mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

> quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an

art

> than a science.

How are you defining mental illness?

It sounds like you are are involving psychological difficulties in

this. Is depression a mental illness if it results from grieving or the

loss of a job? Is bipolar a mental illness if it results from blood

sugar fluctuations or if it is iatrogenic? I would argue, as I have

said here, that these are symptoms that should point the educated

practitioner to root causes. A traumatic childhood that involved abuse

could result in what would be diagnosed as mental illness, or it may

not; it may instead result in some faulty coping mechanisms that make a

person's life difficult. Or, someone may be able to overcome these

effects completely and go on to live a productive life -- rare maybe,

but it does happen. Who in any of these cases is mentally ill?

My own feeling is that if psychiatrists want to truly be useful in

their profession, they need to go back to what they were before the

advent of psychopharmacology. They could offer support, therapy,

counselling; and in very rare cases where there is brain damage or

extreme trauma, certain drugs as a last resort -- ones that are truly

effective, instead of the poisonous rubbish that is dished out too

freely today (e.g. SSRIs, neuroleptics).

What do other people here think?

.

[Guest guest]

Speaking as an ex soldier, with 14 years in the military, Glitter is correct.

It is a crap shoot. You can go to 5 different doctors and get 5 different

diagnosis. Both with physica and mental issues. Doctors will be way quick

to prescribe you a drug to treat symptoms and never ever address the root of the

problem. I have seen so many soldiers be put on drugs that end up making them

worse than they ever were after any battle. What we need to do is take care of

these brave men and women, mentally, physically, and spiritualy. They also

need to be taken care of financially. If they were hurt in the war, we need

to take care of them fiancially. We need to make sure they get REST, that they

may not have gotten for a year +. Need to take care of their every need and

find them gainfull employment. If they were hurt and cannot work, we should

take care of their every need. If GW can purchase a pair of boots for 4

grand, and rock stars can have their

choice of 4 200 grand cars to drive around in, then we can find a way to take

care of our military. We can start by NOT prescribing them drugs that will

kill them (if they don't physically kill them, they at least rape their souls).

After taking these drugs, for the last two years of withdrawal, I feel like I

would be much better off dead, in a living hell is the best way I can describe

the way I have felt since my second day of cold turkey in Feb of 2005.

Larry Schreiber <indycoltsfan1945@...> wrote: I agree with you

100% just because you can't identify it with blood tests it does not mean that

it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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[Guest guest]

Speaking as an ex soldier, with 14 years in the military, Glitter is correct.

It is a crap shoot. You can go to 5 different doctors and get 5 different

diagnosis. Both with physica and mental issues. Doctors will be way quick

to prescribe you a drug to treat symptoms and never ever address the root of the

problem. I have seen so many soldiers be put on drugs that end up making them

worse than they ever were after any battle. What we need to do is take care of

these brave men and women, mentally, physically, and spiritualy. They also

need to be taken care of financially. If they were hurt in the war, we need

to take care of them fiancially. We need to make sure they get REST, that they

may not have gotten for a year +. Need to take care of their every need and

find them gainfull employment. If they were hurt and cannot work, we should

take care of their every need. If GW can purchase a pair of boots for 4

grand, and rock stars can have their

choice of 4 200 grand cars to drive around in, then we can find a way to take

care of our military. We can start by NOT prescribing them drugs that will

kill them (if they don't physically kill them, they at least rape their souls).

After taking these drugs, for the last two years of withdrawal, I feel like I

would be much better off dead, in a living hell is the best way I can describe

the way I have felt since my second day of cold turkey in Feb of 2005.

Larry Schreiber <indycoltsfan1945@...> wrote: I agree with you

100% just because you can't identify it with blood tests it does not mean that

it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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Speaking as an ex soldier, with 14 years in the military, Glitter is correct.

It is a crap shoot. You can go to 5 different doctors and get 5 different

diagnosis. Both with physica and mental issues. Doctors will be way quick

to prescribe you a drug to treat symptoms and never ever address the root of the

problem. I have seen so many soldiers be put on drugs that end up making them

worse than they ever were after any battle. What we need to do is take care of

these brave men and women, mentally, physically, and spiritualy. They also

need to be taken care of financially. If they were hurt in the war, we need

to take care of them fiancially. We need to make sure they get REST, that they

may not have gotten for a year +. Need to take care of their every need and

find them gainfull employment. If they were hurt and cannot work, we should

take care of their every need. If GW can purchase a pair of boots for 4

grand, and rock stars can have their

choice of 4 200 grand cars to drive around in, then we can find a way to take

care of our military. We can start by NOT prescribing them drugs that will

kill them (if they don't physically kill them, they at least rape their souls).

After taking these drugs, for the last two years of withdrawal, I feel like I

would be much better off dead, in a living hell is the best way I can describe

the way I have felt since my second day of cold turkey in Feb of 2005.

Larry Schreiber <indycoltsfan1945@...> wrote: I agree with you

100% just because you can't identify it with blood tests it does not mean that

it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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Speaking as an ex soldier, with 14 years in the military, Glitter is correct.

It is a crap shoot. You can go to 5 different doctors and get 5 different

diagnosis. Both with physica and mental issues. Doctors will be way quick

to prescribe you a drug to treat symptoms and never ever address the root of the

problem. I have seen so many soldiers be put on drugs that end up making them

worse than they ever were after any battle. What we need to do is take care of

these brave men and women, mentally, physically, and spiritualy. They also

need to be taken care of financially. If they were hurt in the war, we need

to take care of them fiancially. We need to make sure they get REST, that they

may not have gotten for a year +. Need to take care of their every need and

find them gainfull employment. If they were hurt and cannot work, we should

take care of their every need. If GW can purchase a pair of boots for 4

grand, and rock stars can have their

choice of 4 200 grand cars to drive around in, then we can find a way to take

care of our military. We can start by NOT prescribing them drugs that will

kill them (if they don't physically kill them, they at least rape their souls).

After taking these drugs, for the last two years of withdrawal, I feel like I

would be much better off dead, in a living hell is the best way I can describe

the way I have felt since my second day of cold turkey in Feb of 2005.

Larry Schreiber <indycoltsfan1945@...> wrote: I agree with you

100% just because you can't identify it with blood tests it does not mean that

it is not an illness!!!!!!

Re: criteria

Glitter, mental illness is real. Do you mean to say that soldiers who

have witnessed horrible things or taken part in them are not effected

detrimentally? Can you say that PTSD is not real?

Or battered children and all the social difficulties they face as

adults, that this is not real?

This attitude does no service to hurting people. In your case, ie.

having your shoulder injury diagnosed as depression was a load of crap

that's for sure but mental illness is real and yes, it is hard to

quantify by medical standards ie. blood tests and it is more of an art

than a science.

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BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!:

As far as those who are coming out of the

service, first of all they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Jesus clearly gave instruction on how to deal with our enemies and it

wasn't to go and hunt them down and kill them in order to defend the

right to believe the way that we want to. Murder for any reason is

hard to deal with, but when your injecting all kinds of neuro toxins

and viruses straight into the blood stream (service men are injected

with all kinds of garbage through vaccines) you are setting a person

up to be mentally unstable to began with.

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