Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Recombinant Human Insulin wasn't always available. Pork insulin is only one chemical flip from human insulin, hence it had the least chance of causing an immune response for humans. Since the creation of the recombinant human insulins (Humulin, Novolin, etc) then the majority of the Pork products have been either discontinued or are harder to get a hold of. Della Cat Haven, Inc A No-Kill Cat Rescue (501c3) Houston, Tx www.cat-haven.org insulin Dear All, My question is when and why would a patient ever use Pork Insulin? Thanks, Janet M. Liles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Thank you Della, In addition the reason why a person may need pork is if they are allergic to recombinant or beef insulin. While this is rare, it does happen. My neighbor is one of them! Go figure! However it is getting difficult for her to find it. Because of this I would not doubt that it becomes an orphan drug soon. Respectfully, Jeanetta Mastron > Recombinant Human Insulin wasn't always available. Pork insulin is only one > chemical flip from human insulin, hence it had the least chance of causing > an immune response for humans. > > Since the creation of the recombinant human insulins (Humulin, Novolin, etc) > then the majority of the Pork products have been either discontinued or are > harder to get a hold of. > > Della > > Cat Haven, Inc > A No-Kill Cat Rescue (501c3) > Houston, Tx > www.cat-haven.org > > insulin > > > Dear All, > My question is when and why would a patient ever use Pork Insulin? > > Thanks, > Janet M. Liles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Jeanetta, It can still be compounded. Check for veterinary compounding specialty shops, especially, as some cats don't respond as well to recombinant human insulin as they do the pork insulin. So there are compounding pharmacies that do make the PZI insulin for humans AND pets. Della Cat Haven, Inc A No-Kill Cat Rescue (501c3) Houston, Tx www.cat-haven.org Re: insulin Thank you Della, In addition the reason why a person may need pork is if they are allergic to recombinant or beef insulin. While this is rare, it does happen. My neighbor is one of them! Go figure! However it is getting difficult for her to find it. Because of this I would not doubt that it becomes an orphan drug soon. Respectfully, Jeanetta Mastron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Thanks Della, I never knew where she was getting her insulin from.... But I will make it known to her just in case she needs to have an alternative supplier. I know she would be so happy. She has Charcot's Disease with a double thigh high amputee on top of Diabetes! Weighs over 200 lb! Amazing to see her get around in and out of bed, tub etc! Thanks a million for this information. Love ya Jeanetta > Jeanetta, > > It can still be compounded. Check for veterinary compounding specialty > shops, especially, as some cats don't respond as well to recombinant human > insulin as they do the pork insulin. So there are compounding pharmacies > that do make the PZI insulin for humans AND pets. > > Della > > Cat Haven, Inc > A No-Kill Cat Rescue (501c3) > Houston, Tx > www.cat-haven.org > > Re: insulin > > Thank you Della, > > In addition the reason why a person may need pork is if they are allergic to > recombinant or beef insulin. While this is rare, it does happen. My neighbor > is one of them! Go figure! > > However it is getting difficult for her to find it. Because of this I would > not doubt that it becomes an orphan drug soon. > > Respectfully, > Jeanetta Mastron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 I was listening to the show when a man called in about being allergic to his insulin preservative last week and did not know what to do. Later that week I went to a CE program where it was announced by the proud drug rep. you could leave the insulin out 42 days because of the preservatives which he "had no idea what they were". Of course it is written on the side of the box--It is creasol (A VARNISH STRIPPER ) and phenol!!! One of the pharmacists told the speaker (who knew about the preservative) a lot of people are allergic to creasol and the speaker said it is a big problem! I later told this to a friend who is an MD and sits on a diabetes committee at a hospital about this, and he found out that a patient who had dropped their insulin and it broke--well the insulin ate a hole in their linoleum !!! People can't live without insulin, I guess diabetes is getting too expensive?As I have spoken about this to other doctors, they are finding that TPN and other IV's are causing allergies they have never seen before and they have been in practice for 30 years This is really really crazy. Dr. Lynn Lafferty, PharmD, ND, CNC WEB: http://drlynnlafferty.com/--- On Sun, 7/19/09, no-forced-vaccination <no-forced-vaccination > wrote: From: no-forced-vaccination <no-forced-vaccination >Subject: Digest Number 683no-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:50 AM NSF-Compulsory-Vaccination Messages In This Digest (19 Messages) 1a. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. From: nicholscarissa 1b. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. From: nicholscarissa 2a. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Leary 2b. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Roberg 2c. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Christy Daus 2d. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Alan Foossolvesunified.com 3a. Re: Digest Number 678 From: Kieffer Clean & Green 4a. Re: News Alert - Health Care Bill Facts From: Asad Majeed 5a. Re: Update on actions against the mandatory flu jab from around the From: bill schanbacher 6. Shame! Flying pigs flu vaccine production hits a snag From: Ingrid Blank 7. FW: Government Announces Flu Pandemic PSA Propaganda Contest From: Ingrid Blank 8a. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Kamal 8b. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Alan Foossolvesunified.com 8c. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Kamal 9. Fw: Health Insurance Executive blows the whistle (please read) From: talia paris 10a. The End of America: Interview with Naomi Wolf From: DeBonis Soccio 11a. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... From: chironlightone 11b. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... From: betty stapp 12. Secret Virus Testing on the Public [7 1/2 mn. video] From: Ingrid Blank View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. Posted by: "nicholscarissa" carissanichols@... nicholscarissa Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:11 pm (PDT) Hi all,I have been pondering this all morning.Is this advisable or does this quickly earmark a family for unwanted attention during the mandatory push?>> > this is from another group.> roger> > > > > > > > > I have attended the ONLINE webinar's of this doc before....it is FREE and you just might learn something... it might be worth it to send this to your patient's, friends and children to attend?? Feel free to share this information. ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > > > > > > > > > Join us for a Webinar on July 20> > > > > > Space is limited.> Reserve your Webinar seat now at:> https://www2. gotomeeting. com/register/ 260271435 > > > > > > > Dr Eisenstein will discuss: > > What is a philosophical objection to vaccines? > What is a medical exemption to vaccines? > What is a religious exemption to vaccines? > Can I give some of the mandated vaccines and not others? > What is a personal religious exemption? > If I home school my children do I have to give childhood vaccines? > Can the state decide if your religious exemption is valid? > And More> > > > > > > > > > Title: > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > Date:> Monday, July 20, 2009> > > Time:> 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM CDT> > > After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar.> > > > > System Requirements> PC-based attendees> Required: Windows® 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, 2003 Server, Vista> > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 11b. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... Posted by: "betty stapp" bbboop_stapp@... bbboop_stapp Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:52 pm (PDT) Link doesn't work____________ _________ _________ __From: Natural Solutions Foundation <dr.laibowgmail (DOT) com>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:26:37 PMSubject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines...Folks, LISTEN UP! This waiver business applies to ordinary vaccinations. THERE ARE NO WAIVERS OR EXEMPTIOMS UNDER PANDEMIC EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. NONE. NADA. ZIP. ZERO. FUGGEDABOUTIT!THAT IS WHY IT IS SO ESSENTIAL TO DEMAND SELF SHIELDING. Here is a link for it: salsa.democracyinac tion.org/ o/568/campaign. jsp?campaign_ KEY=27275Every member of your family can submit one of these demands. We are up to about 800,000 emails which is nice, but not enough. There are over 1000 people on this list. Mobilize your families, your relatives, your friends. Come on people!Yours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima> I have attended the ONLINE webinar's of this doc before....it is FREE and you just might learn something... it might be worth it to send this to your patient's, friends and children�to attend??� Feel free to share this information. ...> �> �> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > > > > > > > > > Join us for a Webinar on July 20> > > > > > Space is limited.> Reserve your Webinar seat now at:> https://www2. gotomeeting. com/register/ 260271435 > > > > > > > Dr Eisenstein will discuss: > > What is a philosophical objection to vaccines? > What is a medical exemption to vaccines? > What is a religious exemption to vaccines? > Can I give some of the mandated vaccines and not others? > What is a personal religious exemption? > If I home school my children do I have to give childhood vaccines? > Can the state decide if your religious exemption is valid? > And More> > > > > > > > > > Title: � > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > Date:> Monday, July 20, 2009> > > Time:> 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM CDT> > > After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar.> > > > > System Requirements> PC-based attendees> Required: Windows� 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, 2003 Server, Vista> > > > > > > > �> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 12. Secret Virus Testing on the Public [7 1/2 mn. video] Posted by: "Ingrid Blank" enb1@... zauberfeechen Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:09 am (PDT) I just mentioned to a friend of mine who sent me this link that thetwo-legged "oinks" may have shot themselves in the foot this time. Globaloutrage and resistance are reaching unprecedented proportions and might evenboomerang to the extent that people (hopefully) will now demand a halt toany forced vaccinations.Ingridhttp://www.youtube. com/watch? v=yQC0mzE4xS8Secret Virus Testing on the Public__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signaturedatabase 4257 (20090718) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset. com Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity 16 New MembersVisit Your Group New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on search. Find helpful tips for Moderators on the Groups team blog. 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Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 I was listening to the show when a man called in about being allergic to his insulin preservative last week and did not know what to do. Later that week I went to a CE program where it was announced by the proud drug rep. you could leave the insulin out 42 days because of the preservatives which he "had no idea what they were". Of course it is written on the side of the box--It is creasol (A VARNISH STRIPPER ) and phenol!!! One of the pharmacists told the speaker (who knew about the preservative) a lot of people are allergic to creasol and the speaker said it is a big problem! I later told this to a friend who is an MD and sits on a diabetes committee at a hospital about this, and he found out that a patient who had dropped their insulin and it broke--well the insulin ate a hole in their linoleum !!! People can't live without insulin, I guess diabetes is getting too expensive?As I have spoken about this to other doctors, they are finding that TPN and other IV's are causing allergies they have never seen before and they have been in practice for 30 years This is really really crazy. Dr. Lynn Lafferty, PharmD, ND, CNC WEB: http://drlynnlafferty.com/--- On Sun, 7/19/09, no-forced-vaccination <no-forced-vaccination > wrote: From: no-forced-vaccination <no-forced-vaccination >Subject: Digest Number 683no-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:50 AM NSF-Compulsory-Vaccination Messages In This Digest (19 Messages) 1a. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. From: nicholscarissa 1b. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. From: nicholscarissa 2a. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Leary 2b. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Roberg 2c. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Christy Daus 2d. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Alan Foossolvesunified.com 3a. Re: Digest Number 678 From: Kieffer Clean & Green 4a. Re: News Alert - Health Care Bill Facts From: Asad Majeed 5a. Re: Update on actions against the mandatory flu jab from around the From: bill schanbacher 6. Shame! Flying pigs flu vaccine production hits a snag From: Ingrid Blank 7. FW: Government Announces Flu Pandemic PSA Propaganda Contest From: Ingrid Blank 8a. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Kamal 8b. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Alan Foossolvesunified.com 8c. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Kamal 9. Fw: Health Insurance Executive blows the whistle (please read) From: talia paris 10a. The End of America: Interview with Naomi Wolf From: DeBonis Soccio 11a. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... From: chironlightone 11b. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... From: betty stapp 12. Secret Virus Testing on the Public [7 1/2 mn. video] From: Ingrid Blank View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. Posted by: "nicholscarissa" carissanichols@... nicholscarissa Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:11 pm (PDT) Hi all,I have been pondering this all morning.Is this advisable or does this quickly earmark a family for unwanted attention during the mandatory push?>> > this is from another group.> roger> > > > > > > > > I have attended the ONLINE webinar's of this doc before....it is FREE and you just might learn something... it might be worth it to send this to your patient's, friends and children to attend?? Feel free to share this information. ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > > > > > > > > > Join us for a Webinar on July 20> > > > > > Space is limited.> Reserve your Webinar seat now at:> https://www2. gotomeeting. com/register/ 260271435 > > > > > > > Dr Eisenstein will discuss: > > What is a philosophical objection to vaccines? > What is a medical exemption to vaccines? > What is a religious exemption to vaccines? > Can I give some of the mandated vaccines and not others? > What is a personal religious exemption? > If I home school my children do I have to give childhood vaccines? > Can the state decide if your religious exemption is valid? > And More> > > > > > > > > > Title: > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > Date:> Monday, July 20, 2009> > > Time:> 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM CDT> > > After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar.> > > > > System Requirements> PC-based attendees> Required: Windows® 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, 2003 Server, Vista> > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 11b. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... Posted by: "betty stapp" bbboop_stapp@... bbboop_stapp Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:52 pm (PDT) Link doesn't work____________ _________ _________ __From: Natural Solutions Foundation <dr.laibowgmail (DOT) com>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:26:37 PMSubject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines...Folks, LISTEN UP! This waiver business applies to ordinary vaccinations. THERE ARE NO WAIVERS OR EXEMPTIOMS UNDER PANDEMIC EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. NONE. NADA. ZIP. ZERO. FUGGEDABOUTIT!THAT IS WHY IT IS SO ESSENTIAL TO DEMAND SELF SHIELDING. Here is a link for it: salsa.democracyinac tion.org/ o/568/campaign. jsp?campaign_ KEY=27275Every member of your family can submit one of these demands. We are up to about 800,000 emails which is nice, but not enough. There are over 1000 people on this list. Mobilize your families, your relatives, your friends. Come on people!Yours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima> I have attended the ONLINE webinar's of this doc before....it is FREE and you just might learn something... it might be worth it to send this to your patient's, friends and children�to attend??� Feel free to share this information. ...> �> �> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > > > > > > > > > Join us for a Webinar on July 20> > > > > > Space is limited.> Reserve your Webinar seat now at:> https://www2. gotomeeting. com/register/ 260271435 > > > > > > > Dr Eisenstein will discuss: > > What is a philosophical objection to vaccines? > What is a medical exemption to vaccines? > What is a religious exemption to vaccines? > Can I give some of the mandated vaccines and not others? > What is a personal religious exemption? > If I home school my children do I have to give childhood vaccines? > Can the state decide if your religious exemption is valid? > And More> > > > > > > > > > Title: � > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > Date:> Monday, July 20, 2009> > > Time:> 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM CDT> > > After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar.> > > > > System Requirements> PC-based attendees> Required: Windows� 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, 2003 Server, Vista> > > > > > > > �> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 12. Secret Virus Testing on the Public [7 1/2 mn. video] Posted by: "Ingrid Blank" enb1@... zauberfeechen Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:09 am (PDT) I just mentioned to a friend of mine who sent me this link that thetwo-legged "oinks" may have shot themselves in the foot this time. Globaloutrage and resistance are reaching unprecedented proportions and might evenboomerang to the extent that people (hopefully) will now demand a halt toany forced vaccinations.Ingridhttp://www.youtube. com/watch? v=yQC0mzE4xS8Secret Virus Testing on the Public__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signaturedatabase 4257 (20090718) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset. com Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity 16 New MembersVisit Your Group New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on search. Find helpful tips for Moderators on the Groups team blog. 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Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 I was listening to the show when a man called in about being allergic to his insulin preservative last week and did not know what to do. Later that week I went to a CE program where it was announced by the proud drug rep. you could leave the insulin out 42 days because of the preservatives which he "had no idea what they were". Of course it is written on the side of the box--It is creasol (A VARNISH STRIPPER ) and phenol!!! One of the pharmacists told the speaker (who knew about the preservative) a lot of people are allergic to creasol and the speaker said it is a big problem! I later told this to a friend who is an MD and sits on a diabetes committee at a hospital about this, and he found out that a patient who had dropped their insulin and it broke--well the insulin ate a hole in their linoleum !!! People can't live without insulin, I guess diabetes is getting too expensive?As I have spoken about this to other doctors, they are finding that TPN and other IV's are causing allergies they have never seen before and they have been in practice for 30 years This is really really crazy. Dr. Lynn Lafferty, PharmD, ND, CNC WEB: http://drlynnlafferty.com/--- On Sun, 7/19/09, no-forced-vaccination <no-forced-vaccination > wrote: From: no-forced-vaccination <no-forced-vaccination >Subject: Digest Number 683no-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:50 AM NSF-Compulsory-Vaccination Messages In This Digest (19 Messages) 1a. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. From: nicholscarissa 1b. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. From: nicholscarissa 2a. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Leary 2b. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Roberg 2c. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Christy Daus 2d. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Alan Foossolvesunified.com 3a. Re: Digest Number 678 From: Kieffer Clean & Green 4a. Re: News Alert - Health Care Bill Facts From: Asad Majeed 5a. Re: Update on actions against the mandatory flu jab from around the From: bill schanbacher 6. Shame! Flying pigs flu vaccine production hits a snag From: Ingrid Blank 7. FW: Government Announces Flu Pandemic PSA Propaganda Contest From: Ingrid Blank 8a. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Kamal 8b. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Alan Foossolvesunified.com 8c. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Kamal 9. Fw: Health Insurance Executive blows the whistle (please read) From: talia paris 10a. The End of America: Interview with Naomi Wolf From: DeBonis Soccio 11a. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... From: chironlightone 11b. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... From: betty stapp 12. Secret Virus Testing on the Public [7 1/2 mn. video] From: Ingrid Blank View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. Posted by: "nicholscarissa" carissanichols@... nicholscarissa Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:11 pm (PDT) Hi all,I have been pondering this all morning.Is this advisable or does this quickly earmark a family for unwanted attention during the mandatory push?>> > this is from another group.> roger> > > > > > > > > I have attended the ONLINE webinar's of this doc before....it is FREE and you just might learn something... it might be worth it to send this to your patient's, friends and children to attend?? Feel free to share this information. ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > > > > > > > > > Join us for a Webinar on July 20> > > > > > Space is limited.> Reserve your Webinar seat now at:> https://www2. gotomeeting. com/register/ 260271435 > > > > > > > Dr Eisenstein will discuss: > > What is a philosophical objection to vaccines? > What is a medical exemption to vaccines? > What is a religious exemption to vaccines? > Can I give some of the mandated vaccines and not others? > What is a personal religious exemption? > If I home school my children do I have to give childhood vaccines? > Can the state decide if your religious exemption is valid? > And More> > > > > > > > > > Title: > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > Date:> Monday, July 20, 2009> > > Time:> 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM CDT> > > After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar.> > > > > System Requirements> PC-based attendees> Required: Windows® 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, 2003 Server, Vista> > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 11b. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... Posted by: "betty stapp" bbboop_stapp@... bbboop_stapp Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:52 pm (PDT) Link doesn't work____________ _________ _________ __From: Natural Solutions Foundation <dr.laibowgmail (DOT) com>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:26:37 PMSubject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines...Folks, LISTEN UP! This waiver business applies to ordinary vaccinations. THERE ARE NO WAIVERS OR EXEMPTIOMS UNDER PANDEMIC EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. NONE. NADA. ZIP. ZERO. FUGGEDABOUTIT!THAT IS WHY IT IS SO ESSENTIAL TO DEMAND SELF SHIELDING. Here is a link for it: salsa.democracyinac tion.org/ o/568/campaign. jsp?campaign_ KEY=27275Every member of your family can submit one of these demands. We are up to about 800,000 emails which is nice, but not enough. There are over 1000 people on this list. Mobilize your families, your relatives, your friends. Come on people!Yours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima> I have attended the ONLINE webinar's of this doc before....it is FREE and you just might learn something... it might be worth it to send this to your patient's, friends and children�to attend??� Feel free to share this information. ...> �> �> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > > > > > > > > > Join us for a Webinar on July 20> > > > > > Space is limited.> Reserve your Webinar seat now at:> https://www2. gotomeeting. com/register/ 260271435 > > > > > > > Dr Eisenstein will discuss: > > What is a philosophical objection to vaccines? > What is a medical exemption to vaccines? > What is a religious exemption to vaccines? > Can I give some of the mandated vaccines and not others? > What is a personal religious exemption? > If I home school my children do I have to give childhood vaccines? > Can the state decide if your religious exemption is valid? > And More> > > > > > > > > > Title: � > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > Date:> Monday, July 20, 2009> > > Time:> 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM CDT> > > After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar.> > > > > System Requirements> PC-based attendees> Required: Windows� 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, 2003 Server, Vista> > > > > > > > �> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 12. Secret Virus Testing on the Public [7 1/2 mn. video] Posted by: "Ingrid Blank" enb1@... zauberfeechen Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:09 am (PDT) I just mentioned to a friend of mine who sent me this link that thetwo-legged "oinks" may have shot themselves in the foot this time. Globaloutrage and resistance are reaching unprecedented proportions and might evenboomerang to the extent that people (hopefully) will now demand a halt toany forced vaccinations.Ingridhttp://www.youtube. com/watch? v=yQC0mzE4xS8Secret Virus Testing on the Public__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signaturedatabase 4257 (20090718) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset. com Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity 16 New MembersVisit Your Group New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on search. Find helpful tips for Moderators on the Groups team blog. 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Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 I was listening to the show when a man called in about being allergic to his insulin preservative last week and did not know what to do. Later that week I went to a CE program where it was announced by the proud drug rep. you could leave the insulin out 42 days because of the preservatives which he "had no idea what they were". Of course it is written on the side of the box--It is creasol (A VARNISH STRIPPER ) and phenol!!! One of the pharmacists told the speaker (who knew about the preservative) a lot of people are allergic to creasol and the speaker said it is a big problem! I later told this to a friend who is an MD and sits on a diabetes committee at a hospital about this, and he found out that a patient who had dropped their insulin and it broke--well the insulin ate a hole in their linoleum !!! People can't live without insulin, I guess diabetes is getting too expensive?As I have spoken about this to other doctors, they are finding that TPN and other IV's are causing allergies they have never seen before and they have been in practice for 30 years This is really really crazy. Dr. Lynn Lafferty, PharmD, ND, CNC WEB: http://drlynnlafferty.com/--- On Sun, 7/19/09, no-forced-vaccination <no-forced-vaccination > wrote: From: no-forced-vaccination <no-forced-vaccination >Subject: Digest Number 683no-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:50 AM NSF-Compulsory-Vaccination Messages In This Digest (19 Messages) 1a. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. From: nicholscarissa 1b. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. From: nicholscarissa 2a. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Leary 2b. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Roberg 2c. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Christy Daus 2d. Re: Will the survivors of "deadly" mumps please raise their hands... From: Alan Foossolvesunified.com 3a. Re: Digest Number 678 From: Kieffer Clean & Green 4a. Re: News Alert - Health Care Bill Facts From: Asad Majeed 5a. Re: Update on actions against the mandatory flu jab from around the From: bill schanbacher 6. Shame! Flying pigs flu vaccine production hits a snag From: Ingrid Blank 7. FW: Government Announces Flu Pandemic PSA Propaganda Contest From: Ingrid Blank 8a. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Kamal 8b. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Alan Foossolvesunified.com 8c. Re: CDC - School kids may need to get FOUR shots this fall! From: Kamal 9. Fw: Health Insurance Executive blows the whistle (please read) From: talia paris 10a. The End of America: Interview with Naomi Wolf From: DeBonis Soccio 11a. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... From: chironlightone 11b. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... From: betty stapp 12. Secret Virus Testing on the Public [7 1/2 mn. video] From: Ingrid Blank View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: turning in notarized religious exemptions to state health dept. Posted by: "nicholscarissa" carissanichols@... nicholscarissa Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:11 pm (PDT) Hi all,I have been pondering this all morning.Is this advisable or does this quickly earmark a family for unwanted attention during the mandatory push?>> > this is from another group.> roger> > > > > > > > > I have attended the ONLINE webinar's of this doc before....it is FREE and you just might learn something... it might be worth it to send this to your patient's, friends and children to attend?? Feel free to share this information. ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > > > > > > > > > Join us for a Webinar on July 20> > > > > > Space is limited.> Reserve your Webinar seat now at:> https://www2. gotomeeting. com/register/ 260271435 > > > > > > > Dr Eisenstein will discuss: > > What is a philosophical objection to vaccines? > What is a medical exemption to vaccines? > What is a religious exemption to vaccines? > Can I give some of the mandated vaccines and not others? > What is a personal religious exemption? > If I home school my children do I have to give childhood vaccines? > Can the state decide if your religious exemption is valid? > And More> > > > > > > > > > Title: > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > Date:> Monday, July 20, 2009> > > Time:> 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM CDT> > > After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar.> > > > > System Requirements> PC-based attendees> Required: Windows® 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, 2003 Server, Vista> > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 11b. Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines... Posted by: "betty stapp" bbboop_stapp@... bbboop_stapp Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:52 pm (PDT) Link doesn't work____________ _________ _________ __From: Natural Solutions Foundation <dr.laibowgmail (DOT) com>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:26:37 PMSubject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: Fw: How to Write a Valid Waiver for Vaccines...Folks, LISTEN UP! This waiver business applies to ordinary vaccinations. THERE ARE NO WAIVERS OR EXEMPTIOMS UNDER PANDEMIC EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. NONE. NADA. ZIP. ZERO. FUGGEDABOUTIT!THAT IS WHY IT IS SO ESSENTIAL TO DEMAND SELF SHIELDING. Here is a link for it: salsa.democracyinac tion.org/ o/568/campaign. jsp?campaign_ KEY=27275Every member of your family can submit one of these demands. We are up to about 800,000 emails which is nice, but not enough. There are over 1000 people on this list. Mobilize your families, your relatives, your friends. Come on people!Yours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima> I have attended the ONLINE webinar's of this doc before....it is FREE and you just might learn something... it might be worth it to send this to your patient's, friends and children�to attend??� Feel free to share this information. ...> �> �> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > > > > > > > > > Join us for a Webinar on July 20> > > > > > Space is limited.> Reserve your Webinar seat now at:> https://www2. gotomeeting. com/register/ 260271435 > > > > > > > Dr Eisenstein will discuss: > > What is a philosophical objection to vaccines? > What is a medical exemption to vaccines? > What is a religious exemption to vaccines? > Can I give some of the mandated vaccines and not others? > What is a personal religious exemption? > If I home school my children do I have to give childhood vaccines? > Can the state decide if your religious exemption is valid? > And More> > > > > > > > > > Title: � > How to Write A Valid Waiver for Vaccines> > > Date:> Monday, July 20, 2009> > > Time:> 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM CDT> > > After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar.> > > > > System Requirements> PC-based attendees> Required: Windows� 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, 2003 Server, Vista> > > > > > > > �> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 12. Secret Virus Testing on the Public [7 1/2 mn. video] Posted by: "Ingrid Blank" enb1@... zauberfeechen Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:09 am (PDT) I just mentioned to a friend of mine who sent me this link that thetwo-legged "oinks" may have shot themselves in the foot this time. Globaloutrage and resistance are reaching unprecedented proportions and might evenboomerang to the extent that people (hopefully) will now demand a halt toany forced vaccinations.Ingridhttp://www.youtube. com/watch? v=yQC0mzE4xS8Secret Virus Testing on the Public__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signaturedatabase 4257 (20090718) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset. com Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity 16 New MembersVisit Your Group New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on search. Find helpful tips for Moderators on the Groups team blog. 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Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Dear Crstal, I think you are refering to the 1500 or the 1700 rule that helps one predict how much insulin to ADMINISTER to the patient: 1500 Rule A formula used to predict how much one unit of Regular insulin will lower blood glucose. 1500 is divided by the total daily dose. Example: If total daily dose is 50 units: 1500/50 = 30 mg/dL 1.0 unit of insulin drops blood glucose by 30 mg/dL 1700 Rule A formula used to predict how much one unit of rapid acting insulin will lower blood glucose. 1700 is divided by the total daily dose Example: If total daily dose is 50 units: 1700/50 = 34 mg/dl 1.0 unit of insulin drops blood glucose by 34 mg/dL http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:VDrAAr9Zf9cJ:www.mcw.edu/FileLibrary/User/b\ cozza/Tailoring_Diabetes___Nutrition_Management.pdf+measuring+70/30+insulin+1500\ & cd=3 & hl=en & ct=clnk & gl=us http://www.mcw.edu/FileLibrary/User/bcozza/Tailoring_Diabetes___Nutrition_Manage\ ment.pdf Hope this helps you. I do not believe this will be on the PTCB/ExCPT exam. It is more for nursing, CMA and pharmacist licensing/certification exams. Respectfully, Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS Pharm Tech Educator Founder/Owner > > > > > > can someone give me a example of how to calculate insulin and day supply for it...wanna make sure if i know how to do it. > > > Â > > > Â > > > there is a name for this and i dont remember what it was > > > Â > > > ex) you are showing the patient what she needs (tylenol) but then you make a move to try to sell her the store brand....... . > > > Â > > > what is that thing called...theres a name for it...and y do they try to sell the store brand? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 The first thing I thought of is the cartridges - they come in a box of 5 x 3ml cartridges which is a total of 15ml of insulin which is 1500 units in total. We seem to dispense a greater number of cartridges now and only a few of the vials... Most people have insulin pens for easy administration. Pumps will use vials but they are still relatively uncommon but I'm sure we'll see more of them in the years to come. Joy, Pharm D. > > > > > > > > can someone give me a example of how to calculate insulin and day supply for it...wanna make sure if i know how to do it. > > > > Â > > > > Â > > > > there is a name for this and i dont remember what it was > > > > Â > > > > ex) you are showing the patient what she needs (tylenol) but then you make a move to try to sell her the store brand....... . > > > > Â > > > > what is that thing called...theres a name for it...and y do they try to sell the store brand? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I thought of this too Joy, But then I thought about that each pen is only 3 ml with is only 300 units not 1500 units. So when one would think how long that pen lasts it is 300 units. But if they are asking how long a BOX of 5 pens lasts then it would be 1500 units. So what is the most common purchase:  A pen/cartridge at a time or a box of them at a time. So as a Pharmacist, can you explain to this forum how you explain to your techs how to calculate days supply on this item? The site says one pen can last 14 days once open and one vial 28 days. Dose any of this figure into the days supply?  Thanks in advance,  Jeanetta Mastron  CPhT BS Pharm Tech Educator Founder/Owner From: nerissafaye <nerissafaye@...> Subject: Re: insulin Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 7:15 PM The first thing I thought of is the cartridges - they come in a box of 5 x 3ml cartridges which is a total of 15ml of insulin which is 1500 units in total. We seem to dispense a greater number of cartridges now and only a few of the vials... Most people have insulin pens for easy administration. Pumps will use vials but they are still relatively uncommon but I'm sure we'll see more of them in the years to come. Joy, Pharm D. > > > > > > > > can someone give me a example of how to calculate insulin and day supply for it...wanna make sure if i know how to do it. > > > >  > > > >  > > > > there is a name for this and i dont remember what it was > > > >  > > > > ex) you are showing the patient what she needs (tylenol) but then you make a move to try to sell her the store brand....... . > > > >  > > > > what is that thing called...theres a name for it...and y do they try to sell the store brand? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 We only sell the cartridges in the full box of 5. It depends on the insulin in the cartridge - some only have a 10 day expiry at room temp (once they put the cartridge in the pen it is stored at room temp while the rest of the cartridges in the box would be kept in the fridge.) They very rarely need a new pen - maybe once per year but the hospital here gives them the pen on discharge in most cases, and since we are a hospital outpatient pharmacy, we very rarely dispense pens. Someone from a community pharmacy may see more pens than we do. If the cartridge would last longer than 10 days (if using less than 30U per day) than you would calculate each cartridge at 10 days and the box would last 50 days. Because the different insulins have differing cartridge expiries (most in the 10-15 day window) we use 10 days for all of them as it easier to remember. If they would use less than 5 cartridges in a month but their plan only pays a 30 day supply, we would round down to 1 box = 30 days. If the plan will pay more than 1 month or the box would last less than 30 days (depending on the dose) then we would calculate the actual days. Eg. Lantus patient using 55 units SC QHS = 1500 Units (in box) divided by 55 units per day = 27 day supply. It is much harder if the patient is using the insulin for a sliding scale as you really don't know how often they will need to use it or how much at each time they will need so we often give 1 box = 30 day supply unless they start going through it faster than 30 days and then we'll adjust to match their usage. HTH Joy > > I thought of this too Joy, But then I thought about that each pen is only 3 ml with is only 300 units not 1500 units. So when one would think how long that pen lasts it is 300 units. But if they are asking how long a BOX of 5 pens lasts then it would be 1500 units. So what is the most common purchase:  A pen/cartridge at a time or a box of them at a time. > So as a Pharmacist, can you explain to this forum how you explain to your techs how to calculate days supply on this item? The site says one pen can last 14 days once open and one vial 28 days. Dose any of this figure into the days supply? >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Jeanetta Mastron  CPhT BS > Pharm Tech Educator > Founder/Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 in my setting we will separate the cartridges from the boxes if the usage shows that a month supply will be more or less than a box.  We only sell the cartridges in the full box of 5. It depends on the insulin in the cartridge - some only have a 10 day expiry at room temp (once they put the cartridge in the pen it is stored at room temp while the rest of the cartridges in the box would be kept in the fridge.) They very rarely need a new pen - maybe once per year but the hospital here gives them the pen on discharge in most cases, and since we are a hospital outpatient pharmacy, we very rarely dispense pens. Someone from a community pharmacy may see more pens than we do. If the cartridge would last longer than 10 days (if using less than 30U per day) than you would calculate each cartridge at 10 days and the box would last 50 days. Because the different insulins have differing cartridge expiries (most in the 10-15 day window) we use 10 days for all of them as it easier to remember. If they would use less than 5 cartridges in a month but their plan only pays a 30 day supply, we would round down to 1 box = 30 days. If the plan will pay more than 1 month or the box would last less than 30 days (depending on the dose) then we would calculate the actual days. Eg. Lantus patient using 55 units SC QHS = 1500 Units (in box) divided by 55 units per day = 27 day supply. It is much harder if the patient is using the insulin for a sliding scale as you really don't know how often they will need to use it or how much at each time they will need so we often give 1 box = 30 day supply unless they start going through it faster than 30 days and then we'll adjust to match their usage. HTH Joy > > I thought of this too Joy, But then I thought about that each pen is only 3 ml with is only 300 units not 1500 units. So when one would think how long that pen lasts it is 300 units. But if they are asking how long a BOX of 5 pens lasts then it would be 1500 units. So what is the most common purchase:  A pen/cartridge at a time or a box of them at a time. > So as a Pharmacist, can you explain to this forum how you explain to your techs how to calculate days supply on this item? The site says one pen can last 14 days once open and one vial 28 days. Dose any of this figure into the days supply? >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Jeanetta Mastron  CPhT BS > Pharm Tech Educator > Founder/Owner > > Messages in this topic (16) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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