Drug,INvoluntary MedicaL Tx: Not just psychiatric

[Guest guest]

Dear Cateh,

While the involuntary psychiatric tx is the most frequently utilized method

of forcing unwanted medical treatment upon a family, it is by no means the

only type of medical treatment that can be forced to be given to a child if

the medical community wants to bring in DHR for child neglect. At any age,

if you don't agree to their treatment you might be considered mentally

incapable of making sound medical decisions and a guardian ad litem

(attorney) or other family member might be appointed.

I'm not an attorney and I'm not giving medical advice but when I reviewed

the laws that are available on the internet I found that if you have a

durable power of attorney if you later become incapable of making sound

medical decisions the Probate Judge, if he obeys the law and his oath of

office, must appoint the durable power of attorney as guardian. If you

don't, the hospital can forbid visitors, phone calls, medical information

and/or records to someone you would have been wise ot appoint as power of

attorney when you were mentally cognizant. If not, you are basically under

medical house arrest with no right probably to get you records even if there

laws on the books that they know if they delay and harrass you long enough

you will give up and go away. If you're sick and in the bed it's kinda hard

to write letters, copies and follow to get records, isn't it?

Dr Lance, D.C.

P.S. Are you still in Georgia?

Thank you, Dr. Lance, I had forgotten about the " mental health " agenda of

the State, as I and my children had always managed to avoid it, and it is

not part of our experience.

But that was my point, we have got to get over thinking that if a drug is

recommended for us, it should be good for us. Just years of experience

asking doctors' advice, taught me their advice was not so good, often, as

other things I could do for myself, and that their responses tended to fall

into a very narrow stereotyped range involving drugs or surgery. But in

recent years they have become frighteningly more aggressive about pushing

pills, while not conducting any discussion of the etiology and the full

range of options for dealing with it, so we have to become more adamant and

aware on our own behalf.

Years and years ago, I was steered to a shrink, and so turned off by the

experience, including his cold detached somewhat anxious demeanor, when what

I really truly needed was a warm and wise person I could look up to for

guidance, and all I got was this cold fish and his drugs (tricyclic Elavil).

Then the dope put my husband on an antipsychotic !!!! named stelazine, and

since then, it was 1967, no one can drag me near a shrink. We were students

at the University of Georgia, and having this twerp there to " serve " us was

part of the student health service. Now, when I go into a hospital, I

always amend the patient permission sheet to read that I do NOT give my

permission to be treated by a psychiatrist, nor to have one consulted on my

behalf, nor to be prescribed ANY psychiatric medications, with the

exception of those used for pre- and peri-operative sedation. (They

sometimes give Valium before a procedure.)

Of course, that does nothing to prevent the meddling of state schools and

other self-important agencies that are so dangerous these days, especially

for those who have children .

Lawsuit blames Zoloft for teenager's suicide

>

>

> From Wildestcolts another gut wrenching story.

>

>

> Lawsuit blames Zoloft for teenager's suicide

>

> By Pamela Manson

> The Salt Lake Tribune

>

>

>

>

> A South Jordan couple on Tuesday accused pharmaceutical giant Pfizer

Inc. of negligence in their daughter's " tragic, maddening, wrongful death "

for allegedly failing to warn doctors of a link between its antidepressant

Zoloft and teenage suicide.

> In a suit filed in U.S. District Court, the parents of Shyra Marie

Kallas say the 15-year-old shot herself in November 2002, less than a

month

after her family physician prescribed the antidepressant.

> The girl originally went to see the doctor for warts but said, as

part of her patient history, that she felt overwhelmed with school work,

according to Ken and Kallas' suit.

> " Her doctor then did precisely what Pfizer's salesmen regularly

encourage doctors to do, i.e., he (a) diagnosed 'depression' and (

prescribed Zoloft, " claims the suit, which seeks unspecified damages.

> The legal action alleges Pfizer knew of an association between

Zoloft and side effects that increase the risk for suicide. However, it

claims, the company continued to overpromote the medication and misled the

public about the risk, touting Zoloft as the " number one doctor-trusted

antidepressant. "

> Pfizer representatives could not be reached for comment Tuesday. In

its 2004 third-quarter performance report released last week, the New York

City-based company said, " Zoloft is not approved for pediatric depression.

In fact, there have been no suicides in the Zoloft pediatric clinical

program.

> " Pfizer remains confident in the proven safety and efficacy of

Zoloft

to treat millions of patients with mood and anxiety disorders. "

> In an Oct. 15 advisory, the Food and Drug Administration said all

antidepressants will now carry labels that include a boxed warning about

the increased risk of suicide they pose to children and adolescents.

> Shyra was described in her obituary as a star athlete who loved

art,

nature and camping with her family.

> pmanson@...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Cateh,

While the involuntary psychiatric tx is the most frequently utilized method

of forcing unwanted medical treatment upon a family, it is by no means the

only type of medical treatment that can be forced to be given to a child if

the medical community wants to bring in DHR for child neglect. At any age,

if you don't agree to their treatment you might be considered mentally

incapable of making sound medical decisions and a guardian ad litem

(attorney) or other family member might be appointed.

I'm not an attorney and I'm not giving medical advice but when I reviewed

the laws that are available on the internet I found that if you have a

durable power of attorney if you later become incapable of making sound

medical decisions the Probate Judge, if he obeys the law and his oath of

office, must appoint the durable power of attorney as guardian. If you

don't, the hospital can forbid visitors, phone calls, medical information

and/or records to someone you would have been wise ot appoint as power of

attorney when you were mentally cognizant. If not, you are basically under

medical house arrest with no right probably to get you records even if there

laws on the books that they know if they delay and harrass you long enough

you will give up and go away. If you're sick and in the bed it's kinda hard

to write letters, copies and follow to get records, isn't it?

Dr Lance, D.C.

P.S. Are you still in Georgia?

Thank you, Dr. Lance, I had forgotten about the " mental health " agenda of

the State, as I and my children had always managed to avoid it, and it is

not part of our experience.

But that was my point, we have got to get over thinking that if a drug is

recommended for us, it should be good for us. Just years of experience

asking doctors' advice, taught me their advice was not so good, often, as

other things I could do for myself, and that their responses tended to fall

into a very narrow stereotyped range involving drugs or surgery. But in

recent years they have become frighteningly more aggressive about pushing

pills, while not conducting any discussion of the etiology and the full

range of options for dealing with it, so we have to become more adamant and

aware on our own behalf.

Years and years ago, I was steered to a shrink, and so turned off by the

experience, including his cold detached somewhat anxious demeanor, when what

I really truly needed was a warm and wise person I could look up to for

guidance, and all I got was this cold fish and his drugs (tricyclic Elavil).

Then the dope put my husband on an antipsychotic !!!! named stelazine, and

since then, it was 1967, no one can drag me near a shrink. We were students

at the University of Georgia, and having this twerp there to " serve " us was

part of the student health service. Now, when I go into a hospital, I

always amend the patient permission sheet to read that I do NOT give my

permission to be treated by a psychiatrist, nor to have one consulted on my

behalf, nor to be prescribed ANY psychiatric medications, with the

exception of those used for pre- and peri-operative sedation. (They

sometimes give Valium before a procedure.)

Of course, that does nothing to prevent the meddling of state schools and

other self-important agencies that are so dangerous these days, especially

for those who have children .

Lawsuit blames Zoloft for teenager's suicide

>

>

> From Wildestcolts another gut wrenching story.

>

>

> Lawsuit blames Zoloft for teenager's suicide

>

> By Pamela Manson

> The Salt Lake Tribune

>

>

>

>

> A South Jordan couple on Tuesday accused pharmaceutical giant Pfizer

Inc. of negligence in their daughter's " tragic, maddening, wrongful death "

for allegedly failing to warn doctors of a link between its antidepressant

Zoloft and teenage suicide.

> In a suit filed in U.S. District Court, the parents of Shyra Marie

Kallas say the 15-year-old shot herself in November 2002, less than a

month

after her family physician prescribed the antidepressant.

> The girl originally went to see the doctor for warts but said, as

part of her patient history, that she felt overwhelmed with school work,

according to Ken and Kallas' suit.

> " Her doctor then did precisely what Pfizer's salesmen regularly

encourage doctors to do, i.e., he (a) diagnosed 'depression' and (

prescribed Zoloft, " claims the suit, which seeks unspecified damages.

> The legal action alleges Pfizer knew of an association between

Zoloft and side effects that increase the risk for suicide. However, it

claims, the company continued to overpromote the medication and misled the

public about the risk, touting Zoloft as the " number one doctor-trusted

antidepressant. "

> Pfizer representatives could not be reached for comment Tuesday. In

its 2004 third-quarter performance report released last week, the New York

City-based company said, " Zoloft is not approved for pediatric depression.

In fact, there have been no suicides in the Zoloft pediatric clinical

program.

> " Pfizer remains confident in the proven safety and efficacy of

Zoloft

to treat millions of patients with mood and anxiety disorders. "

> In an Oct. 15 advisory, the Food and Drug Administration said all

antidepressants will now carry labels that include a boxed warning about

the increased risk of suicide they pose to children and adolescents.

> Shyra was described in her obituary as a star athlete who loved

art,

nature and camping with her family.

> pmanson@...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Cateh,

While the involuntary psychiatric tx is the most frequently utilized method

of forcing unwanted medical treatment upon a family, it is by no means the

only type of medical treatment that can be forced to be given to a child if

the medical community wants to bring in DHR for child neglect. At any age,

if you don't agree to their treatment you might be considered mentally

incapable of making sound medical decisions and a guardian ad litem

(attorney) or other family member might be appointed.

I'm not an attorney and I'm not giving medical advice but when I reviewed

the laws that are available on the internet I found that if you have a

durable power of attorney if you later become incapable of making sound

medical decisions the Probate Judge, if he obeys the law and his oath of

office, must appoint the durable power of attorney as guardian. If you

don't, the hospital can forbid visitors, phone calls, medical information

and/or records to someone you would have been wise ot appoint as power of

attorney when you were mentally cognizant. If not, you are basically under

medical house arrest with no right probably to get you records even if there

laws on the books that they know if they delay and harrass you long enough

you will give up and go away. If you're sick and in the bed it's kinda hard

to write letters, copies and follow to get records, isn't it?

Dr Lance, D.C.

P.S. Are you still in Georgia?

Thank you, Dr. Lance, I had forgotten about the " mental health " agenda of

the State, as I and my children had always managed to avoid it, and it is

not part of our experience.

But that was my point, we have got to get over thinking that if a drug is

recommended for us, it should be good for us. Just years of experience

asking doctors' advice, taught me their advice was not so good, often, as

other things I could do for myself, and that their responses tended to fall

into a very narrow stereotyped range involving drugs or surgery. But in

recent years they have become frighteningly more aggressive about pushing

pills, while not conducting any discussion of the etiology and the full

range of options for dealing with it, so we have to become more adamant and

aware on our own behalf.

Years and years ago, I was steered to a shrink, and so turned off by the

experience, including his cold detached somewhat anxious demeanor, when what

I really truly needed was a warm and wise person I could look up to for

guidance, and all I got was this cold fish and his drugs (tricyclic Elavil).

Then the dope put my husband on an antipsychotic !!!! named stelazine, and

since then, it was 1967, no one can drag me near a shrink. We were students

at the University of Georgia, and having this twerp there to " serve " us was

part of the student health service. Now, when I go into a hospital, I

always amend the patient permission sheet to read that I do NOT give my

permission to be treated by a psychiatrist, nor to have one consulted on my

behalf, nor to be prescribed ANY psychiatric medications, with the

exception of those used for pre- and peri-operative sedation. (They

sometimes give Valium before a procedure.)

Of course, that does nothing to prevent the meddling of state schools and

other self-important agencies that are so dangerous these days, especially

for those who have children .

Lawsuit blames Zoloft for teenager's suicide

>

>

> From Wildestcolts another gut wrenching story.

>

>

> Lawsuit blames Zoloft for teenager's suicide

>

> By Pamela Manson

> The Salt Lake Tribune

>

>

>

>

> A South Jordan couple on Tuesday accused pharmaceutical giant Pfizer

Inc. of negligence in their daughter's " tragic, maddening, wrongful death "

for allegedly failing to warn doctors of a link between its antidepressant

Zoloft and teenage suicide.

> In a suit filed in U.S. District Court, the parents of Shyra Marie

Kallas say the 15-year-old shot herself in November 2002, less than a

month

after her family physician prescribed the antidepressant.

> The girl originally went to see the doctor for warts but said, as

part of her patient history, that she felt overwhelmed with school work,

according to Ken and Kallas' suit.

> " Her doctor then did precisely what Pfizer's salesmen regularly

encourage doctors to do, i.e., he (a) diagnosed 'depression' and (

prescribed Zoloft, " claims the suit, which seeks unspecified damages.

> The legal action alleges Pfizer knew of an association between

Zoloft and side effects that increase the risk for suicide. However, it

claims, the company continued to overpromote the medication and misled the

public about the risk, touting Zoloft as the " number one doctor-trusted

antidepressant. "

> Pfizer representatives could not be reached for comment Tuesday. In

its 2004 third-quarter performance report released last week, the New York

City-based company said, " Zoloft is not approved for pediatric depression.

In fact, there have been no suicides in the Zoloft pediatric clinical

program.

> " Pfizer remains confident in the proven safety and efficacy of

Zoloft

to treat millions of patients with mood and anxiety disorders. "

> In an Oct. 15 advisory, the Food and Drug Administration said all

antidepressants will now carry labels that include a boxed warning about

the increased risk of suicide they pose to children and adolescents.

> Shyra was described in her obituary as a star athlete who loved

art,

nature and camping with her family.

> pmanson@...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Cateh,

While the involuntary psychiatric tx is the most frequently utilized method

of forcing unwanted medical treatment upon a family, it is by no means the

only type of medical treatment that can be forced to be given to a child if

the medical community wants to bring in DHR for child neglect. At any age,

if you don't agree to their treatment you might be considered mentally

incapable of making sound medical decisions and a guardian ad litem

(attorney) or other family member might be appointed.

I'm not an attorney and I'm not giving medical advice but when I reviewed

the laws that are available on the internet I found that if you have a

durable power of attorney if you later become incapable of making sound

medical decisions the Probate Judge, if he obeys the law and his oath of

office, must appoint the durable power of attorney as guardian. If you

don't, the hospital can forbid visitors, phone calls, medical information

and/or records to someone you would have been wise ot appoint as power of

attorney when you were mentally cognizant. If not, you are basically under

medical house arrest with no right probably to get you records even if there

laws on the books that they know if they delay and harrass you long enough

you will give up and go away. If you're sick and in the bed it's kinda hard

to write letters, copies and follow to get records, isn't it?

Dr Lance, D.C.

P.S. Are you still in Georgia?

Thank you, Dr. Lance, I had forgotten about the " mental health " agenda of

the State, as I and my children had always managed to avoid it, and it is

not part of our experience.

But that was my point, we have got to get over thinking that if a drug is

recommended for us, it should be good for us. Just years of experience

asking doctors' advice, taught me their advice was not so good, often, as

other things I could do for myself, and that their responses tended to fall

into a very narrow stereotyped range involving drugs or surgery. But in

recent years they have become frighteningly more aggressive about pushing

pills, while not conducting any discussion of the etiology and the full

range of options for dealing with it, so we have to become more adamant and

aware on our own behalf.

Years and years ago, I was steered to a shrink, and so turned off by the

experience, including his cold detached somewhat anxious demeanor, when what

I really truly needed was a warm and wise person I could look up to for

guidance, and all I got was this cold fish and his drugs (tricyclic Elavil).

Then the dope put my husband on an antipsychotic !!!! named stelazine, and

since then, it was 1967, no one can drag me near a shrink. We were students

at the University of Georgia, and having this twerp there to " serve " us was

part of the student health service. Now, when I go into a hospital, I

always amend the patient permission sheet to read that I do NOT give my

permission to be treated by a psychiatrist, nor to have one consulted on my

behalf, nor to be prescribed ANY psychiatric medications, with the

exception of those used for pre- and peri-operative sedation. (They

sometimes give Valium before a procedure.)

Of course, that does nothing to prevent the meddling of state schools and

other self-important agencies that are so dangerous these days, especially

for those who have children .

Lawsuit blames Zoloft for teenager's suicide

>

>

> From Wildestcolts another gut wrenching story.

>

>

> Lawsuit blames Zoloft for teenager's suicide

>

> By Pamela Manson

> The Salt Lake Tribune

>

>

>

>

> A South Jordan couple on Tuesday accused pharmaceutical giant Pfizer

Inc. of negligence in their daughter's " tragic, maddening, wrongful death "

for allegedly failing to warn doctors of a link between its antidepressant

Zoloft and teenage suicide.

> In a suit filed in U.S. District Court, the parents of Shyra Marie

Kallas say the 15-year-old shot herself in November 2002, less than a

month

after her family physician prescribed the antidepressant.

> The girl originally went to see the doctor for warts but said, as

part of her patient history, that she felt overwhelmed with school work,

according to Ken and Kallas' suit.

> " Her doctor then did precisely what Pfizer's salesmen regularly

encourage doctors to do, i.e., he (a) diagnosed 'depression' and (

prescribed Zoloft, " claims the suit, which seeks unspecified damages.

> The legal action alleges Pfizer knew of an association between

Zoloft and side effects that increase the risk for suicide. However, it

claims, the company continued to overpromote the medication and misled the

public about the risk, touting Zoloft as the " number one doctor-trusted

antidepressant. "

> Pfizer representatives could not be reached for comment Tuesday. In

its 2004 third-quarter performance report released last week, the New York

City-based company said, " Zoloft is not approved for pediatric depression.

In fact, there have been no suicides in the Zoloft pediatric clinical

program.

> " Pfizer remains confident in the proven safety and efficacy of

Zoloft

to treat millions of patients with mood and anxiety disorders. "

> In an Oct. 15 advisory, the Food and Drug Administration said all

antidepressants will now carry labels that include a boxed warning about

the increased risk of suicide they pose to children and adolescents.

> Shyra was described in her obituary as a star athlete who loved

art,

nature and camping with her family.

> pmanson@...

>

>

>

>