Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Based on the response I got from the P-I and Hoeller's reply, this is looking more like a case of a black listing of somebody solely on the basis of his views. Below is my correspondence with the P-I and Hoeller over the P-I's recent rejection of Hoeller's editorial against mental health parity legislation. You can read the editorial here: " Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health Alleged At Seattle P-I " . I will await a reply to Hoeller from the P-I until Monday and then try to get this up a CounterPunch.org. Also, below my correspondence with the P-I and Hoeller is a letter to Glenn Rosendahl by Vonne Worth that I received early this evening. I would suggest that it is now time for any fence sitters out there to start firing off letters in support of Hoeller or op-eds opposed to mental health parity to P-I Publihser Oglesby (Oglesby@...) and P-I Reader Representative Glenn Drosendahl (GlennDrosendahl@...) -Rick My First Letter To P-I Publisher Oglesby (2/18/04) Dr. Mr. Oglesby, I'm a freelance writer in Seattle who specializes in writing about mental health related issues and I get myself published at the internet site for the D.C. based political newsletter Counter Punch occasionally. Hoeller has forwarded me an editorial in opposition to the mental health parity legislation now being debated and voted on in the Washington State Legislature. Hoeller says your paper has rejected this editorial and that he is now permanently banned from getting editorials on any subject related to mental health issues published in the P-I. Hoeller tells me that Reader Representative Glen Drosendahl informed him of this over the phone yesterday. Is this true? If it is true, then please tell me why. I want to forward Hoeller's editorial to CounterPunch.org and other Internet sites by Friday morning with the P-I's response included, if, in fact, the P-I does not intend to publish it. Sincerely, Rick Giombetti Glenn Drosendahl's Response (2/18/04) Dear Rick: Thanks for your message and the chance to set the record straight. I did not say was permanently banned from writing op-ed pieces for us. I said the op-ed editor would like to hear from other voices on the subject now, since has submitted and had published six op-ed pieces already. One other thing he may have misinterpreted from our conversation: I did tell him he wrote well and persuasively, but that was not the reason our op-ed editor rejected his piece now. It's only that she wants to hear from someone else with that viewpoint. Again, it's a matter of trying to get a different voice on that side of the issue. I appreciate you checking with us. If you have further questions, please contact our editorial page editor, Mark Trahant (206-448-8387 or marktrahant@...). Glenn Drosendahl Reader Representative Seattle Post-Intelligencer (206) 448-8007 readerrep@... My Response To Glenn Drosendahl (2/18/04) Dear Glen, So do psychiatrists in favor of involuntary committment and parity, which is virtually every practicing psychiatrist out there, and members of National Alliance for the Mentally Ill who have been published on the P-I editorial page in the past not get published either? That doesn't seem to matter now since the official editorial position of the P-I on parity is in line with that of the American Psychiatric Association and NAMI. This is an interesting position to take on a piece of state legislation the P-I has editorialized in favor of on February 3. So what other voices on the subject would the P-I like to hear from, other than the voice of its editorial board? Another academic psychologist, such as Schaler at American University? A voice of current and former psychiatric patients who lobby against involutary committment and parity, like Oaks of Support Coalition International? But Schaler lives in the DC area and Oaks lives in Eugene. Hoeller lives in the state where the legislation the P-I has editorialized in favor of passing is being debated right, is a college instructor in psychology, edits a peer reviewed academic journal and is the only academic in his field in the Seattle area willing to speak out against involuntary committment and parity. So if not Hoeller, who should be allowed to take a position on mental health parity in opposition to the P-I's position? Sincerely, -Rick My Second Letter To Oglesby Summarizing Hoeller's Response (2/19/04) Dear Mr. Oglesby, Below is Hoeller's responses to Glenn Drosendahl's letter to me yesterday. I'll start with what I think is the most important point first. In Glenn Drosendahl's letter to me he wrote that " has submitted and had published six op-ed pieces already. " Hoeller replied that " They are inventing 'pretexts' to justify their rejection of my op-eds. I went to the Seattle PI website and I punched in the word Hoeller in the search engine. I got 16 total hits since July, 1999 or almost 5 years. In this time, I published only 4 op-eds in the PI (not 6 or 7 as they claim). And only 2 of the 4 op-eds were on mental health. " I have just done the same search Hoeller did and he is correct. Here are the links to the four op-eds Hoeller has published: " No proof mental illness rooted in biology " (Friday, August 29, 2003). " Don't cut funding for long-term care help " (Thursday, January 30, 2003). " Readers Soapbox: Mind-altering drugs both banned and pushed " (Saturday, March 16, 2002). " Pay part-time college profs more " (Friday, January 12, 2001). Also, none of these op-eds are about mental health parity. Are there any other editorials written by Hoeller that the P-I has published? If not, then why did Drosendahl tell me six instead of four? Furthermore, Hoeller says that the reasons for not publishing him have changed over time: " While the Seattle PI was happy to publish my op-eds for the last six years, since NAMI pressured them last August they have not once, but twice, rejected op-eds by me. And the reasons keep changing. About 3 months ago, Mills rejected an op-ed by me, saying the Seattle PI had a policy of not publishing anyone twice within a six month period. Mr. Drosendahl told me yesterday that the PI has no such policy. " Finally, Hoeller wants to know what input from the public the P-I received before publishing its editorial in favor of the mental health parity legislation: " Who did the PI Editorial Board invite in, and who did they call, before writing their Feb. 3 op-ed in favor of parity? Did they invite in, or call, just supporters like NAMI and legislators who favor the bills? Did they invite in, or call, ANY opponents to mental health parity? They are supposed to invite in, or call, people from BOTH sides before writing such an editorial. " I'm going to wait until Monday to see what your paper decides to do about this before I forward Hoeller's rejected editorial with my article to Counter Punch. My Third Letter To Oglesby Dear Mr. Oglesby, Below is an e-mail summarizing Hoeller's response to Glenn Drosendahl, for which I have received no reply. Please, respond to if you want to by Monday. Thanks. -Rick Letter To Glenn Drosendahl By Vonne Worth Dear Mr. Drosendahl: When I studied for my Journalism degree at Seattle University, Atkins taught me to make my writing objective, fair, balanced, and unbiased. These are also journalism ethics of the Society of Professional Journalists. Last year, Hoeller wrote an article with a timely peg, the hunger fast in California, and Hoeller expressed an opinion which was later disputed by of the National Advocates for the Mentally Ill (NAMI), an organization funded in large part by the Big Drug Companies, and the American Psychiatric Association, also funded in large part by the Big Drug Companies. In my experience, NAMI does not advocate for the mentally ill, but for the families of the mentally ill. NAMI advocates locking up their family members, medicating them with dangerous drugs, and shocking or performing brain surgery on them. NAMI does not advocate proven, inexpensive means of enabling a " mentally ill " person to recover and enjoy a full life. A writer from Oregon sent a letter to the editor which was published, defending the hunger strike and Hoeller's op-ed. I also sent Mills an article, an op-ed, and a letter. Mills said she forwarded the letter to the letters editor and recommended it be published. It was not. As a writer, I understand that much is submitted that is not published. However, as a former publisher and editor of a disability rights newspaper (Different Times), I also understand that disabilities of all types receive short shrift in the mainline newspapers. I see this as bias. Koeller, the Oregon writer, and I have far fewer dollars to use to influence the media. In J-school, I was also taught not to let advertising or money influence what is published. I never let this happen on Different Times, which was making money at the time I became ill with chronic fatigue and had to sell the newspaper. I know that persons who are regarded as " mentally ill " are regularly stereotyped as violent. It is untrue. I see things in the newspaper often: " x shot y. x has a history of mental illness. " I never see " a shot b. a does not have a history of mental illness. " It reminds me of the time when blacks only appeared in the newspaper when a black person committed a violent act. It was always on the first page. This allowed sterotypes and prejudice to continue and increase. So does this one-sided view of those regarded as " mentally ill " . Many times, people are not mentally ill. I have been put in mental wards four times when I actually have an unusual type of epileptic seizure. I have been deprived of the medical treatment for epilepsy, deprived of liberty, deprived of the ability to direct my care through an AD (the hospital simply doesn't read it before involuntary commitment, then ridiculse it after they have read it). Psychiatrists know that there are approximately 26 medical conditions that are routinely misdiagnosed as mental disorders. (ssen and Black, 3rd ed.) These include epilepsy, 's Disease (an episcopal priest in the area had this happen), diabetes, brain tumors, strokes, and more. At present, mental wards are filled with poor people and people with complex medical issues and disabilities which are not " mental illness " . In the past, mental wards were filled with poor blacks, poor and working class gays and lesbians, women, and children. In 1974, the APA voted that homosexuality was not a mental illness, so gays and lesbians do not get locked up so much anymore. The treatments used for mental illness would make anyone sick. Beatings, criticism, degradation, abuse, harassment, forced handling of feces (remember I've been in these places, you haven't), destruction of property, injury which is not treated, and rape. Tax dollars pay for all of this. Of course, a person regarded as " mentally ill " is, by definition, not to be believed when they tell about these things. That does not mean these " treatments " do not happen. Also, medications cause irreversible brain damage and in most cases, drug companies are now beginning to admit that most of the time, the drugs do not work. Please retain objectivity on this subject by regularly asking our side when you write articles and by allowing us to counter NAMI and APA when the write. I'm sorry this is so long. Thank you for reading it. Sources include: www.psychrights.org, ssen and Black 3rd Edition (a psychiatry textbook), Breggin, M.D., Oaks at www.mindfreedom.org (in Eugene, Oregon), Courtenay Harding - Director of the Sargent School of Rehabilitation at Boston University, Loren Mosher, M.D., Szasz, M.D., CCHR International, and more. Vonne Worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Based on the response I got from the P-I and Hoeller's reply, this is looking more like a case of a black listing of somebody solely on the basis of his views. Below is my correspondence with the P-I and Hoeller over the P-I's recent rejection of Hoeller's editorial against mental health parity legislation. You can read the editorial here: " Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health Alleged At Seattle P-I " . I will await a reply to Hoeller from the P-I until Monday and then try to get this up a CounterPunch.org. Also, below my correspondence with the P-I and Hoeller is a letter to Glenn Rosendahl by Vonne Worth that I received early this evening. I would suggest that it is now time for any fence sitters out there to start firing off letters in support of Hoeller or op-eds opposed to mental health parity to P-I Publihser Oglesby (Oglesby@...) and P-I Reader Representative Glenn Drosendahl (GlennDrosendahl@...) -Rick My First Letter To P-I Publisher Oglesby (2/18/04) Dr. Mr. Oglesby, I'm a freelance writer in Seattle who specializes in writing about mental health related issues and I get myself published at the internet site for the D.C. based political newsletter Counter Punch occasionally. Hoeller has forwarded me an editorial in opposition to the mental health parity legislation now being debated and voted on in the Washington State Legislature. Hoeller says your paper has rejected this editorial and that he is now permanently banned from getting editorials on any subject related to mental health issues published in the P-I. Hoeller tells me that Reader Representative Glen Drosendahl informed him of this over the phone yesterday. Is this true? If it is true, then please tell me why. I want to forward Hoeller's editorial to CounterPunch.org and other Internet sites by Friday morning with the P-I's response included, if, in fact, the P-I does not intend to publish it. Sincerely, Rick Giombetti Glenn Drosendahl's Response (2/18/04) Dear Rick: Thanks for your message and the chance to set the record straight. I did not say was permanently banned from writing op-ed pieces for us. I said the op-ed editor would like to hear from other voices on the subject now, since has submitted and had published six op-ed pieces already. One other thing he may have misinterpreted from our conversation: I did tell him he wrote well and persuasively, but that was not the reason our op-ed editor rejected his piece now. It's only that she wants to hear from someone else with that viewpoint. Again, it's a matter of trying to get a different voice on that side of the issue. I appreciate you checking with us. If you have further questions, please contact our editorial page editor, Mark Trahant (206-448-8387 or marktrahant@...). Glenn Drosendahl Reader Representative Seattle Post-Intelligencer (206) 448-8007 readerrep@... My Response To Glenn Drosendahl (2/18/04) Dear Glen, So do psychiatrists in favor of involuntary committment and parity, which is virtually every practicing psychiatrist out there, and members of National Alliance for the Mentally Ill who have been published on the P-I editorial page in the past not get published either? That doesn't seem to matter now since the official editorial position of the P-I on parity is in line with that of the American Psychiatric Association and NAMI. This is an interesting position to take on a piece of state legislation the P-I has editorialized in favor of on February 3. So what other voices on the subject would the P-I like to hear from, other than the voice of its editorial board? Another academic psychologist, such as Schaler at American University? A voice of current and former psychiatric patients who lobby against involutary committment and parity, like Oaks of Support Coalition International? But Schaler lives in the DC area and Oaks lives in Eugene. Hoeller lives in the state where the legislation the P-I has editorialized in favor of passing is being debated right, is a college instructor in psychology, edits a peer reviewed academic journal and is the only academic in his field in the Seattle area willing to speak out against involuntary committment and parity. So if not Hoeller, who should be allowed to take a position on mental health parity in opposition to the P-I's position? Sincerely, -Rick My Second Letter To Oglesby Summarizing Hoeller's Response (2/19/04) Dear Mr. Oglesby, Below is Hoeller's responses to Glenn Drosendahl's letter to me yesterday. I'll start with what I think is the most important point first. In Glenn Drosendahl's letter to me he wrote that " has submitted and had published six op-ed pieces already. " Hoeller replied that " They are inventing 'pretexts' to justify their rejection of my op-eds. I went to the Seattle PI website and I punched in the word Hoeller in the search engine. I got 16 total hits since July, 1999 or almost 5 years. In this time, I published only 4 op-eds in the PI (not 6 or 7 as they claim). And only 2 of the 4 op-eds were on mental health. " I have just done the same search Hoeller did and he is correct. Here are the links to the four op-eds Hoeller has published: " No proof mental illness rooted in biology " (Friday, August 29, 2003). " Don't cut funding for long-term care help " (Thursday, January 30, 2003). " Readers Soapbox: Mind-altering drugs both banned and pushed " (Saturday, March 16, 2002). " Pay part-time college profs more " (Friday, January 12, 2001). Also, none of these op-eds are about mental health parity. Are there any other editorials written by Hoeller that the P-I has published? If not, then why did Drosendahl tell me six instead of four? Furthermore, Hoeller says that the reasons for not publishing him have changed over time: " While the Seattle PI was happy to publish my op-eds for the last six years, since NAMI pressured them last August they have not once, but twice, rejected op-eds by me. And the reasons keep changing. About 3 months ago, Mills rejected an op-ed by me, saying the Seattle PI had a policy of not publishing anyone twice within a six month period. Mr. Drosendahl told me yesterday that the PI has no such policy. " Finally, Hoeller wants to know what input from the public the P-I received before publishing its editorial in favor of the mental health parity legislation: " Who did the PI Editorial Board invite in, and who did they call, before writing their Feb. 3 op-ed in favor of parity? Did they invite in, or call, just supporters like NAMI and legislators who favor the bills? Did they invite in, or call, ANY opponents to mental health parity? They are supposed to invite in, or call, people from BOTH sides before writing such an editorial. " I'm going to wait until Monday to see what your paper decides to do about this before I forward Hoeller's rejected editorial with my article to Counter Punch. My Third Letter To Oglesby Dear Mr. Oglesby, Below is an e-mail summarizing Hoeller's response to Glenn Drosendahl, for which I have received no reply. Please, respond to if you want to by Monday. Thanks. -Rick Letter To Glenn Drosendahl By Vonne Worth Dear Mr. Drosendahl: When I studied for my Journalism degree at Seattle University, Atkins taught me to make my writing objective, fair, balanced, and unbiased. These are also journalism ethics of the Society of Professional Journalists. Last year, Hoeller wrote an article with a timely peg, the hunger fast in California, and Hoeller expressed an opinion which was later disputed by of the National Advocates for the Mentally Ill (NAMI), an organization funded in large part by the Big Drug Companies, and the American Psychiatric Association, also funded in large part by the Big Drug Companies. In my experience, NAMI does not advocate for the mentally ill, but for the families of the mentally ill. NAMI advocates locking up their family members, medicating them with dangerous drugs, and shocking or performing brain surgery on them. NAMI does not advocate proven, inexpensive means of enabling a " mentally ill " person to recover and enjoy a full life. A writer from Oregon sent a letter to the editor which was published, defending the hunger strike and Hoeller's op-ed. I also sent Mills an article, an op-ed, and a letter. Mills said she forwarded the letter to the letters editor and recommended it be published. It was not. As a writer, I understand that much is submitted that is not published. However, as a former publisher and editor of a disability rights newspaper (Different Times), I also understand that disabilities of all types receive short shrift in the mainline newspapers. I see this as bias. Koeller, the Oregon writer, and I have far fewer dollars to use to influence the media. In J-school, I was also taught not to let advertising or money influence what is published. I never let this happen on Different Times, which was making money at the time I became ill with chronic fatigue and had to sell the newspaper. I know that persons who are regarded as " mentally ill " are regularly stereotyped as violent. It is untrue. I see things in the newspaper often: " x shot y. x has a history of mental illness. " I never see " a shot b. a does not have a history of mental illness. " It reminds me of the time when blacks only appeared in the newspaper when a black person committed a violent act. It was always on the first page. This allowed sterotypes and prejudice to continue and increase. So does this one-sided view of those regarded as " mentally ill " . Many times, people are not mentally ill. I have been put in mental wards four times when I actually have an unusual type of epileptic seizure. I have been deprived of the medical treatment for epilepsy, deprived of liberty, deprived of the ability to direct my care through an AD (the hospital simply doesn't read it before involuntary commitment, then ridiculse it after they have read it). Psychiatrists know that there are approximately 26 medical conditions that are routinely misdiagnosed as mental disorders. (ssen and Black, 3rd ed.) These include epilepsy, 's Disease (an episcopal priest in the area had this happen), diabetes, brain tumors, strokes, and more. At present, mental wards are filled with poor people and people with complex medical issues and disabilities which are not " mental illness " . In the past, mental wards were filled with poor blacks, poor and working class gays and lesbians, women, and children. In 1974, the APA voted that homosexuality was not a mental illness, so gays and lesbians do not get locked up so much anymore. The treatments used for mental illness would make anyone sick. Beatings, criticism, degradation, abuse, harassment, forced handling of feces (remember I've been in these places, you haven't), destruction of property, injury which is not treated, and rape. Tax dollars pay for all of this. Of course, a person regarded as " mentally ill " is, by definition, not to be believed when they tell about these things. That does not mean these " treatments " do not happen. Also, medications cause irreversible brain damage and in most cases, drug companies are now beginning to admit that most of the time, the drugs do not work. Please retain objectivity on this subject by regularly asking our side when you write articles and by allowing us to counter NAMI and APA when the write. I'm sorry this is so long. Thank you for reading it. Sources include: www.psychrights.org, ssen and Black 3rd Edition (a psychiatry textbook), Breggin, M.D., Oaks at www.mindfreedom.org (in Eugene, Oregon), Courtenay Harding - Director of the Sargent School of Rehabilitation at Boston University, Loren Mosher, M.D., Szasz, M.D., CCHR International, and more. Vonne Worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Based on the response I got from the P-I and Hoeller's reply, this is looking more like a case of a black listing of somebody solely on the basis of his views. Below is my correspondence with the P-I and Hoeller over the P-I's recent rejection of Hoeller's editorial against mental health parity legislation. You can read the editorial here: " Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health Alleged At Seattle P-I " . I will await a reply to Hoeller from the P-I until Monday and then try to get this up a CounterPunch.org. Also, below my correspondence with the P-I and Hoeller is a letter to Glenn Rosendahl by Vonne Worth that I received early this evening. I would suggest that it is now time for any fence sitters out there to start firing off letters in support of Hoeller or op-eds opposed to mental health parity to P-I Publihser Oglesby (Oglesby@...) and P-I Reader Representative Glenn Drosendahl (GlennDrosendahl@...) -Rick My First Letter To P-I Publisher Oglesby (2/18/04) Dr. Mr. Oglesby, I'm a freelance writer in Seattle who specializes in writing about mental health related issues and I get myself published at the internet site for the D.C. based political newsletter Counter Punch occasionally. Hoeller has forwarded me an editorial in opposition to the mental health parity legislation now being debated and voted on in the Washington State Legislature. Hoeller says your paper has rejected this editorial and that he is now permanently banned from getting editorials on any subject related to mental health issues published in the P-I. Hoeller tells me that Reader Representative Glen Drosendahl informed him of this over the phone yesterday. Is this true? If it is true, then please tell me why. I want to forward Hoeller's editorial to CounterPunch.org and other Internet sites by Friday morning with the P-I's response included, if, in fact, the P-I does not intend to publish it. Sincerely, Rick Giombetti Glenn Drosendahl's Response (2/18/04) Dear Rick: Thanks for your message and the chance to set the record straight. I did not say was permanently banned from writing op-ed pieces for us. I said the op-ed editor would like to hear from other voices on the subject now, since has submitted and had published six op-ed pieces already. One other thing he may have misinterpreted from our conversation: I did tell him he wrote well and persuasively, but that was not the reason our op-ed editor rejected his piece now. It's only that she wants to hear from someone else with that viewpoint. Again, it's a matter of trying to get a different voice on that side of the issue. I appreciate you checking with us. If you have further questions, please contact our editorial page editor, Mark Trahant (206-448-8387 or marktrahant@...). Glenn Drosendahl Reader Representative Seattle Post-Intelligencer (206) 448-8007 readerrep@... My Response To Glenn Drosendahl (2/18/04) Dear Glen, So do psychiatrists in favor of involuntary committment and parity, which is virtually every practicing psychiatrist out there, and members of National Alliance for the Mentally Ill who have been published on the P-I editorial page in the past not get published either? That doesn't seem to matter now since the official editorial position of the P-I on parity is in line with that of the American Psychiatric Association and NAMI. This is an interesting position to take on a piece of state legislation the P-I has editorialized in favor of on February 3. So what other voices on the subject would the P-I like to hear from, other than the voice of its editorial board? Another academic psychologist, such as Schaler at American University? A voice of current and former psychiatric patients who lobby against involutary committment and parity, like Oaks of Support Coalition International? But Schaler lives in the DC area and Oaks lives in Eugene. Hoeller lives in the state where the legislation the P-I has editorialized in favor of passing is being debated right, is a college instructor in psychology, edits a peer reviewed academic journal and is the only academic in his field in the Seattle area willing to speak out against involuntary committment and parity. So if not Hoeller, who should be allowed to take a position on mental health parity in opposition to the P-I's position? Sincerely, -Rick My Second Letter To Oglesby Summarizing Hoeller's Response (2/19/04) Dear Mr. Oglesby, Below is Hoeller's responses to Glenn Drosendahl's letter to me yesterday. I'll start with what I think is the most important point first. In Glenn Drosendahl's letter to me he wrote that " has submitted and had published six op-ed pieces already. " Hoeller replied that " They are inventing 'pretexts' to justify their rejection of my op-eds. I went to the Seattle PI website and I punched in the word Hoeller in the search engine. I got 16 total hits since July, 1999 or almost 5 years. In this time, I published only 4 op-eds in the PI (not 6 or 7 as they claim). And only 2 of the 4 op-eds were on mental health. " I have just done the same search Hoeller did and he is correct. Here are the links to the four op-eds Hoeller has published: " No proof mental illness rooted in biology " (Friday, August 29, 2003). " Don't cut funding for long-term care help " (Thursday, January 30, 2003). " Readers Soapbox: Mind-altering drugs both banned and pushed " (Saturday, March 16, 2002). " Pay part-time college profs more " (Friday, January 12, 2001). Also, none of these op-eds are about mental health parity. Are there any other editorials written by Hoeller that the P-I has published? If not, then why did Drosendahl tell me six instead of four? Furthermore, Hoeller says that the reasons for not publishing him have changed over time: " While the Seattle PI was happy to publish my op-eds for the last six years, since NAMI pressured them last August they have not once, but twice, rejected op-eds by me. And the reasons keep changing. About 3 months ago, Mills rejected an op-ed by me, saying the Seattle PI had a policy of not publishing anyone twice within a six month period. Mr. Drosendahl told me yesterday that the PI has no such policy. " Finally, Hoeller wants to know what input from the public the P-I received before publishing its editorial in favor of the mental health parity legislation: " Who did the PI Editorial Board invite in, and who did they call, before writing their Feb. 3 op-ed in favor of parity? Did they invite in, or call, just supporters like NAMI and legislators who favor the bills? Did they invite in, or call, ANY opponents to mental health parity? They are supposed to invite in, or call, people from BOTH sides before writing such an editorial. " I'm going to wait until Monday to see what your paper decides to do about this before I forward Hoeller's rejected editorial with my article to Counter Punch. My Third Letter To Oglesby Dear Mr. Oglesby, Below is an e-mail summarizing Hoeller's response to Glenn Drosendahl, for which I have received no reply. Please, respond to if you want to by Monday. Thanks. -Rick Letter To Glenn Drosendahl By Vonne Worth Dear Mr. Drosendahl: When I studied for my Journalism degree at Seattle University, Atkins taught me to make my writing objective, fair, balanced, and unbiased. These are also journalism ethics of the Society of Professional Journalists. Last year, Hoeller wrote an article with a timely peg, the hunger fast in California, and Hoeller expressed an opinion which was later disputed by of the National Advocates for the Mentally Ill (NAMI), an organization funded in large part by the Big Drug Companies, and the American Psychiatric Association, also funded in large part by the Big Drug Companies. In my experience, NAMI does not advocate for the mentally ill, but for the families of the mentally ill. NAMI advocates locking up their family members, medicating them with dangerous drugs, and shocking or performing brain surgery on them. NAMI does not advocate proven, inexpensive means of enabling a " mentally ill " person to recover and enjoy a full life. A writer from Oregon sent a letter to the editor which was published, defending the hunger strike and Hoeller's op-ed. I also sent Mills an article, an op-ed, and a letter. Mills said she forwarded the letter to the letters editor and recommended it be published. It was not. As a writer, I understand that much is submitted that is not published. However, as a former publisher and editor of a disability rights newspaper (Different Times), I also understand that disabilities of all types receive short shrift in the mainline newspapers. I see this as bias. Koeller, the Oregon writer, and I have far fewer dollars to use to influence the media. In J-school, I was also taught not to let advertising or money influence what is published. I never let this happen on Different Times, which was making money at the time I became ill with chronic fatigue and had to sell the newspaper. I know that persons who are regarded as " mentally ill " are regularly stereotyped as violent. It is untrue. I see things in the newspaper often: " x shot y. x has a history of mental illness. " I never see " a shot b. a does not have a history of mental illness. " It reminds me of the time when blacks only appeared in the newspaper when a black person committed a violent act. It was always on the first page. This allowed sterotypes and prejudice to continue and increase. So does this one-sided view of those regarded as " mentally ill " . Many times, people are not mentally ill. I have been put in mental wards four times when I actually have an unusual type of epileptic seizure. I have been deprived of the medical treatment for epilepsy, deprived of liberty, deprived of the ability to direct my care through an AD (the hospital simply doesn't read it before involuntary commitment, then ridiculse it after they have read it). Psychiatrists know that there are approximately 26 medical conditions that are routinely misdiagnosed as mental disorders. (ssen and Black, 3rd ed.) These include epilepsy, 's Disease (an episcopal priest in the area had this happen), diabetes, brain tumors, strokes, and more. At present, mental wards are filled with poor people and people with complex medical issues and disabilities which are not " mental illness " . In the past, mental wards were filled with poor blacks, poor and working class gays and lesbians, women, and children. In 1974, the APA voted that homosexuality was not a mental illness, so gays and lesbians do not get locked up so much anymore. The treatments used for mental illness would make anyone sick. Beatings, criticism, degradation, abuse, harassment, forced handling of feces (remember I've been in these places, you haven't), destruction of property, injury which is not treated, and rape. Tax dollars pay for all of this. Of course, a person regarded as " mentally ill " is, by definition, not to be believed when they tell about these things. That does not mean these " treatments " do not happen. Also, medications cause irreversible brain damage and in most cases, drug companies are now beginning to admit that most of the time, the drugs do not work. Please retain objectivity on this subject by regularly asking our side when you write articles and by allowing us to counter NAMI and APA when the write. I'm sorry this is so long. Thank you for reading it. Sources include: www.psychrights.org, ssen and Black 3rd Edition (a psychiatry textbook), Breggin, M.D., Oaks at www.mindfreedom.org (in Eugene, Oregon), Courtenay Harding - Director of the Sargent School of Rehabilitation at Boston University, Loren Mosher, M.D., Szasz, M.D., CCHR International, and more. Vonne Worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Based on the response I got from the P-I and Hoeller's reply, this is looking more like a case of a black listing of somebody solely on the basis of his views. Below is my correspondence with the P-I and Hoeller over the P-I's recent rejection of Hoeller's editorial against mental health parity legislation. You can read the editorial here: " Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health Alleged At Seattle P-I " . I will await a reply to Hoeller from the P-I until Monday and then try to get this up a CounterPunch.org. Also, below my correspondence with the P-I and Hoeller is a letter to Glenn Rosendahl by Vonne Worth that I received early this evening. I would suggest that it is now time for any fence sitters out there to start firing off letters in support of Hoeller or op-eds opposed to mental health parity to P-I Publihser Oglesby (Oglesby@...) and P-I Reader Representative Glenn Drosendahl (GlennDrosendahl@...) -Rick My First Letter To P-I Publisher Oglesby (2/18/04) Dr. Mr. Oglesby, I'm a freelance writer in Seattle who specializes in writing about mental health related issues and I get myself published at the internet site for the D.C. based political newsletter Counter Punch occasionally. Hoeller has forwarded me an editorial in opposition to the mental health parity legislation now being debated and voted on in the Washington State Legislature. Hoeller says your paper has rejected this editorial and that he is now permanently banned from getting editorials on any subject related to mental health issues published in the P-I. Hoeller tells me that Reader Representative Glen Drosendahl informed him of this over the phone yesterday. Is this true? If it is true, then please tell me why. I want to forward Hoeller's editorial to CounterPunch.org and other Internet sites by Friday morning with the P-I's response included, if, in fact, the P-I does not intend to publish it. Sincerely, Rick Giombetti Glenn Drosendahl's Response (2/18/04) Dear Rick: Thanks for your message and the chance to set the record straight. I did not say was permanently banned from writing op-ed pieces for us. I said the op-ed editor would like to hear from other voices on the subject now, since has submitted and had published six op-ed pieces already. One other thing he may have misinterpreted from our conversation: I did tell him he wrote well and persuasively, but that was not the reason our op-ed editor rejected his piece now. It's only that she wants to hear from someone else with that viewpoint. Again, it's a matter of trying to get a different voice on that side of the issue. I appreciate you checking with us. If you have further questions, please contact our editorial page editor, Mark Trahant (206-448-8387 or marktrahant@...). Glenn Drosendahl Reader Representative Seattle Post-Intelligencer (206) 448-8007 readerrep@... My Response To Glenn Drosendahl (2/18/04) Dear Glen, So do psychiatrists in favor of involuntary committment and parity, which is virtually every practicing psychiatrist out there, and members of National Alliance for the Mentally Ill who have been published on the P-I editorial page in the past not get published either? That doesn't seem to matter now since the official editorial position of the P-I on parity is in line with that of the American Psychiatric Association and NAMI. This is an interesting position to take on a piece of state legislation the P-I has editorialized in favor of on February 3. So what other voices on the subject would the P-I like to hear from, other than the voice of its editorial board? Another academic psychologist, such as Schaler at American University? A voice of current and former psychiatric patients who lobby against involutary committment and parity, like Oaks of Support Coalition International? But Schaler lives in the DC area and Oaks lives in Eugene. Hoeller lives in the state where the legislation the P-I has editorialized in favor of passing is being debated right, is a college instructor in psychology, edits a peer reviewed academic journal and is the only academic in his field in the Seattle area willing to speak out against involuntary committment and parity. So if not Hoeller, who should be allowed to take a position on mental health parity in opposition to the P-I's position? Sincerely, -Rick My Second Letter To Oglesby Summarizing Hoeller's Response (2/19/04) Dear Mr. Oglesby, Below is Hoeller's responses to Glenn Drosendahl's letter to me yesterday. I'll start with what I think is the most important point first. In Glenn Drosendahl's letter to me he wrote that " has submitted and had published six op-ed pieces already. " Hoeller replied that " They are inventing 'pretexts' to justify their rejection of my op-eds. I went to the Seattle PI website and I punched in the word Hoeller in the search engine. I got 16 total hits since July, 1999 or almost 5 years. In this time, I published only 4 op-eds in the PI (not 6 or 7 as they claim). And only 2 of the 4 op-eds were on mental health. " I have just done the same search Hoeller did and he is correct. Here are the links to the four op-eds Hoeller has published: " No proof mental illness rooted in biology " (Friday, August 29, 2003). " Don't cut funding for long-term care help " (Thursday, January 30, 2003). " Readers Soapbox: Mind-altering drugs both banned and pushed " (Saturday, March 16, 2002). " Pay part-time college profs more " (Friday, January 12, 2001). Also, none of these op-eds are about mental health parity. Are there any other editorials written by Hoeller that the P-I has published? If not, then why did Drosendahl tell me six instead of four? Furthermore, Hoeller says that the reasons for not publishing him have changed over time: " While the Seattle PI was happy to publish my op-eds for the last six years, since NAMI pressured them last August they have not once, but twice, rejected op-eds by me. And the reasons keep changing. About 3 months ago, Mills rejected an op-ed by me, saying the Seattle PI had a policy of not publishing anyone twice within a six month period. Mr. Drosendahl told me yesterday that the PI has no such policy. " Finally, Hoeller wants to know what input from the public the P-I received before publishing its editorial in favor of the mental health parity legislation: " Who did the PI Editorial Board invite in, and who did they call, before writing their Feb. 3 op-ed in favor of parity? Did they invite in, or call, just supporters like NAMI and legislators who favor the bills? Did they invite in, or call, ANY opponents to mental health parity? They are supposed to invite in, or call, people from BOTH sides before writing such an editorial. " I'm going to wait until Monday to see what your paper decides to do about this before I forward Hoeller's rejected editorial with my article to Counter Punch. My Third Letter To Oglesby Dear Mr. Oglesby, Below is an e-mail summarizing Hoeller's response to Glenn Drosendahl, for which I have received no reply. Please, respond to if you want to by Monday. Thanks. -Rick Letter To Glenn Drosendahl By Vonne Worth Dear Mr. Drosendahl: When I studied for my Journalism degree at Seattle University, Atkins taught me to make my writing objective, fair, balanced, and unbiased. These are also journalism ethics of the Society of Professional Journalists. Last year, Hoeller wrote an article with a timely peg, the hunger fast in California, and Hoeller expressed an opinion which was later disputed by of the National Advocates for the Mentally Ill (NAMI), an organization funded in large part by the Big Drug Companies, and the American Psychiatric Association, also funded in large part by the Big Drug Companies. In my experience, NAMI does not advocate for the mentally ill, but for the families of the mentally ill. NAMI advocates locking up their family members, medicating them with dangerous drugs, and shocking or performing brain surgery on them. NAMI does not advocate proven, inexpensive means of enabling a " mentally ill " person to recover and enjoy a full life. A writer from Oregon sent a letter to the editor which was published, defending the hunger strike and Hoeller's op-ed. I also sent Mills an article, an op-ed, and a letter. Mills said she forwarded the letter to the letters editor and recommended it be published. It was not. As a writer, I understand that much is submitted that is not published. However, as a former publisher and editor of a disability rights newspaper (Different Times), I also understand that disabilities of all types receive short shrift in the mainline newspapers. I see this as bias. Koeller, the Oregon writer, and I have far fewer dollars to use to influence the media. In J-school, I was also taught not to let advertising or money influence what is published. I never let this happen on Different Times, which was making money at the time I became ill with chronic fatigue and had to sell the newspaper. I know that persons who are regarded as " mentally ill " are regularly stereotyped as violent. It is untrue. I see things in the newspaper often: " x shot y. x has a history of mental illness. " I never see " a shot b. a does not have a history of mental illness. " It reminds me of the time when blacks only appeared in the newspaper when a black person committed a violent act. It was always on the first page. This allowed sterotypes and prejudice to continue and increase. So does this one-sided view of those regarded as " mentally ill " . Many times, people are not mentally ill. I have been put in mental wards four times when I actually have an unusual type of epileptic seizure. I have been deprived of the medical treatment for epilepsy, deprived of liberty, deprived of the ability to direct my care through an AD (the hospital simply doesn't read it before involuntary commitment, then ridiculse it after they have read it). Psychiatrists know that there are approximately 26 medical conditions that are routinely misdiagnosed as mental disorders. (ssen and Black, 3rd ed.) These include epilepsy, 's Disease (an episcopal priest in the area had this happen), diabetes, brain tumors, strokes, and more. At present, mental wards are filled with poor people and people with complex medical issues and disabilities which are not " mental illness " . In the past, mental wards were filled with poor blacks, poor and working class gays and lesbians, women, and children. In 1974, the APA voted that homosexuality was not a mental illness, so gays and lesbians do not get locked up so much anymore. The treatments used for mental illness would make anyone sick. Beatings, criticism, degradation, abuse, harassment, forced handling of feces (remember I've been in these places, you haven't), destruction of property, injury which is not treated, and rape. Tax dollars pay for all of this. Of course, a person regarded as " mentally ill " is, by definition, not to be believed when they tell about these things. That does not mean these " treatments " do not happen. Also, medications cause irreversible brain damage and in most cases, drug companies are now beginning to admit that most of the time, the drugs do not work. Please retain objectivity on this subject by regularly asking our side when you write articles and by allowing us to counter NAMI and APA when the write. I'm sorry this is so long. Thank you for reading it. Sources include: www.psychrights.org, ssen and Black 3rd Edition (a psychiatry textbook), Breggin, M.D., Oaks at www.mindfreedom.org (in Eugene, Oregon), Courtenay Harding - Director of the Sargent School of Rehabilitation at Boston University, Loren Mosher, M.D., Szasz, M.D., CCHR International, and more. Vonne Worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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