Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 << What other metals might Lipoic Acid chelate besides mercury? >> It is extremely effective at chelating arsenic, and is the only really effective way to get rid of arsenic once it is hiding inside your cells. It may or may not effectively mobilize cadmium. It probably does chelate lead a bit. It increases urinary excretion of copper, but decreases biliary (fecal) excretion so for normal individuals the net result is to greatly decrease copper excretion. People who don't excrete copper in the bile might excrete more net copper on LA. Zinc works like copper. I have no idea if it does anything with antimony or not, but if I had to speculate I would guess it would chelate antimony reasonably well. Do you have a specific metal of interest in mind? Andy Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 << What other metals might Lipoic Acid chelate besides mercury? >> Forgive me for simply posting an abstract off medline, but this one does sound like it is exactly on target regarding the utility of LA in lead poisoning. Which is to say that you use DMSA to chelate the lead, but if you are also using LA it is helpful as an antioxidant - but is not an effective chelator. 1: Free Radic Biol Med 1999 Jul;27(1-2):75-81 Related Articles, Books, Lin kOut Antioxidant role of alpha-lipoic acid in lead toxicity. Gurer H, Ozgunes H, Oztezcan S, Ercal N Department of Chemistry, University of Missouri-Rolla, 65409-0010, USA. The assumption of oxidative stress as a mechanism in lead toxicity suggests that antioxidants might play a role in the treatment of lead poisoning. The present study was designed to investigate the efficacy of lipoic acid (LA) in rebalancing the increased prooxidant/antioxidant ratio in lead-exposed Chinese hamster ovary (CHO) cells and Fischer 344 rats. Furthermore, LA's ability to decrease lead levels in the blood and tissues of lead-treated rats was examined. LA administration resulted in a significant improvement in the thiol capacity of cells via increasing glutathione levels and reducing malondialdehyde levels in the lead-exposed cells and animals, indicating a strong antioxidant shift on lead-induced oxidative stress. Furthermore, administration of LA after lead treatment significantly decreased catalase and red blood cell glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase activity. In vitro administration of LA to cultures of CHO cells significantly increased cell survival, that was inhibited by lead treatment in a concentration-dependent manner. Administration of LA was not effective in decreasing blood or tissue lead levels compared to a well-known chelator, succimer, that was able to reduce them to control levels. Hence, LA seems to be a good candidate for therapeutic intervention of lead poisoning, in combination with a chelator, rather than as a sole agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 In a message dated 7/9/2000 7:59:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AndyCutler@... writes: << t increases urinary excretion of copper, but decreases biliary (fecal) excretion so for normal individuals the net result is to greatly decrease copper excretion. People who don't excrete copper in the bile might excrete more net copper on LA. >> Don't take la if your coppers high right? You need to use Zinc first to reduce copper right? Sorry but the above is slightly over my head . what is net copper. kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 In a message dated 7/9/00 5:19:39 PM, kc62765@... writes: << << t increases urinary excretion of copper, but decreases biliary (fecal) excretion so for normal individuals the net result is to greatly decrease copper excretion. People who don't excrete copper in the bile might excrete more net copper on LA. >> Don't take la if your coppers high right? You need to use Zinc first to reduce copper right? Sorry but the above is slightly over my head . what is net copper. kelly >> You are right. " net " copper is like " net " profit. Add up all the incoming copper, subtract all the outgoing copper, and get the net effect of something on copper. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 << what about nickel, aluminum or platinum? >> No, no and maybe. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 Re: [ ] LA > << What other metals might Lipoic Acid chelate besides mercury? >> > Do you have a specific metal of interest in mind? You were quite thorough....what about nickel, aluminum or platinum? Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 << I would be grateful also if you could let me know if you think LA on its own will be effective. >> It will be effective. The DMSA is not necessary. Several adults who were not able to take DMSA or were not able to get it did get well using LA alone. Andy Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 Andy Thank you very much for that . I will persevere with the LA. Nalini From: AndyCutler@... Reply- egroups Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:31:54 EDT egroups Subject: Re: [ ] LA << I would be grateful also if you could let me know if you think LA on its own will be effective. >> It will be effective. The DMSA is not necessary. Several adults who were not able to take DMSA or were not able to get it did get well using LA alone. Andy Cutler ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 0% Introductory APR! Instant Approval! Aria Visa - get yours today. 1/6035/9/_/705339/_/963253961/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 << what about nickel, aluminum or platinum? >> No, no and maybe. Andy What will chelate aluminum? Regards, Ros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 Please, what is LA? Thanks, Ken ros@... wrote: > << what about nickel, aluminum or platinum? >> > > No, no and maybe. > > Andy > > What will chelate aluminum? > Regards, Ros. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shoes? On the web? > Click Here! > 1/7061/9/_/705339/_/964097397/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2001 Report Share Posted September 6, 2001 In @y..., " DeHegedus, a " <a_DeHegedus@p...> wrote: > I DONT KNOW YOUR FULL NAME ONLY YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, BUT I AM INSPIRED BY > THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE MADE ALMOST A FULL RECOVERY. THAT IS SO GREAT!. I > THINK THERE IS SOMETHING IN WORKING OUT HARD OR DOING SAUNAS FOR EXAMPLE, > ANYTHING THAT MAKES YOU REALLY SWEAT. I HAVE BEEN READING A BOOK ON DETOX > AND IT TALKS ABOUT A CASE STUDY OF FIREMAN WHO SUFFERED FROM > NUERO-TOXITITY(I THINK THAT HOW YOU SPELL IT) DUE TO BEING EXPOSED TO TOXIC > CHEMICALS. THEY DEVELOPED THE " BRAIN FOG " AND WERE SUBSTANCIALLY CURED WHEN > THEY DID A PROGRAM OF BOTH SAUNAS AND HEAVY AEROBIC TYPE EXERCISE ON A DAILY > BASIS. AFTER SEVERAL WEEKS ON THIS PROGRAM THEY ACTUALLY HAD A MAJOR > IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR INTELLIGANCE TESTS. SO... MAYBE THAT IS THE PART OF THE > PUZZLE. > > I AM GLAD TO HEAR YOUR SUCCESS STORY, I WISH YOU MUCH CONTINUED RECOVERY AND > HEALTH. > > BEST REGARDS > GABRIELA > > -----Original Message----- > From: cjheer@i... [mailto:cjheer@i...] > Sent: September 06, 2001 11:21 AM > @y... > Subject: Patty > > > I am curious, when this group first started it seems there was a page > where you could go to and se all the names of all the members and > whatever info they wished to have viewed about them. is that gone now > or am I just not seeing it? > > I also understand now why my posts always show up with my address > instead of just my name, because I only look at the posts on the site > and don't get them via email. Silly me. > > My name is , sorry for not saying it duh....anyhow I am doing really well, today I took a yoga class and found it very helpful and fun, you should try to do as much as you can fitness wise, I do and it helps allot, I work out at least 4 to 5 days a week combining wieghts and aerobics and now the yoga, and I am very much into supplements and eating healthy although lately I am eating lots of fattening stuff too, the fair is here and we ate like pigs, but I didn't notice that it made me sick or anything so what the heck gotta enjoy life. I would love to hear your story so if you have time email it to me, I am here for any support or help you need May you feel better, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hi Annie, I agree with you about passing on stories. As soon as I move up another notch in my health I want to start a diary about what happened to me and hopefully how I have recovered. GT --- Annie <annie200548@...> wrote: > la check out www.explantation.com under our > stories to hear more postive stories as well as the > ones on this site. I think Patty has an > inspirational > message but I also have read some story of women > that > got well on other sites too. Sometimes it can make > you > feel better to hear that there are others out there > getting better as well. I want to write my story and > post it on every site I can find related to > implants, > gel and saline as well. I think spreading our > stories > around can really help women everywhere to find out > about the horrors of implants and that we do get > better. > Annie > --- la Todarello <tasslekitty@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > OK I am new here. Who is Patty and I would love > to > > hear her story. I need to hear stories to help > > myself > > get through a day and also I want to be able to > help > > others when I can. > > > > > > Godbless > > > > > > GT > > --- Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: > > > Annie, > > > > > > I hope you don't think I was attacking you . . . > > > because that's the impression you left me with. > > > > > > We always recommend that people exercise . . . > but > > > that's not always possible. It's good that > you're > > > finding the answers you need in exercise. > However, > > > if > > > I remember, you've only recently been explanted, > > > weren't you? . . . Only time will tell how well > > you > > > do > > > with nutrition and exercise as your core > program. > > I > > > sincerely hope you do really well. > > > > > > Some of us need more than just exercise. If you > > were > > > to see Patty, you would know what detoxing has > > done > > > for her. . . When she's with her 23 year old > son, > > > they > > > mistake her for his girlfriend! . . . Not a > line, > > > not > > > a wrinkle. She's a beautiful person, inside and > > out. > > > > > > > > > I do have friends who exercise to, what I > > consider, > > > extremes . . . Unfortunately, that hasn't kept > her > > > from bypass surgery, plus additional surgery to > > > repair > > > damage caused by the surgery. . . She's still > > having > > > breathing problems. Her husband has his own set > of > > > problems. Even then, they go on biking trips > where > > > they bike for 25-30 miles per day. Same with > > hiking! > > > Exercise doesn't do it all! > > > > > > Looking back when I first became involved in the > > > implant issue, the women who I met, at that > time, > > > who > > > scorned all alternative health measures are > sicker > > > now > > > than ever, never having recovered to the point > > that > > > life became good again. On the other hand, those > > of > > > us > > > who took the plunge are living normal lives. > > > > > > There was one member of this group who left to > > form > > > her own group because she was opposed to using > > > alternative health measures. Maybe you would be > > > happier in their group . . . Breast Implant > Facts. > > > It > > > sounds like you and would be soul mates. > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > Rogene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you ? > > Small Business - Try our new resources > site! > > http://smallbusiness./resources/ > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you ? > Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness./resources/ > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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