Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Ok, I went to the doctor today (gi doc) she told me to finish the interferon and rebetrol I am on for the next 3 weeks then I will go off the treatment she says I have not responded and most people after 6 months if they dont respond they will not. She also wrote some orders for a abd ultrasound and some labs to detect cancer. She tells me not to worry there is a new treatment coming???? Anyone heard of new treatment for Hep C??? Then she asked me about an oncologist I use to work with as a nurse so I am freaked to say the least but she kept telling me even if I did not respond I was giving my liver a break??? My white count is 2.1 Hgb 10 I am short of breathe and not really sure when I will feel better then they will not let my son have an MMR because of my labs. So tomorrow I am going during lunch time to the primary doc's office to get a release for my son to keep going to school and to find out when I can get a flu shot and when he can have his vaccine. Jesus I am a nurse and they tell me nothing I can not imagine how they treat anyone else with no medical background. Any suggestions of what I should do next. I guess I will hit the herbal route until this " NEW " treatment comes out. Oh and God bless to all suffering from the dragon!! advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916@... > > > > > > ===================== > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply.com/?code=post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Ok, I went to the doctor today (gi doc) she told me to finish the interferon and rebetrol I am on for the next 3 weeks then I will go off the treatment she says I have not responded and most people after 6 months if they dont respond they will not. She also wrote some orders for a abd ultrasound and some labs to detect cancer. She tells me not to worry there is a new treatment coming???? Anyone heard of new treatment for Hep C??? Then she asked me about an oncologist I use to work with as a nurse so I am freaked to say the least but she kept telling me even if I did not respond I was giving my liver a break??? My white count is 2.1 Hgb 10 I am short of breathe and not really sure when I will feel better then they will not let my son have an MMR because of my labs. So tomorrow I am going during lunch time to the primary doc's office to get a release for my son to keep going to school and to find out when I can get a flu shot and when he can have his vaccine. Jesus I am a nurse and they tell me nothing I can not imagine how they treat anyone else with no medical background. Any suggestions of what I should do next. I guess I will hit the herbal route until this " NEW " treatment comes out. Oh and God bless to all suffering from the dragon!! advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916@... > > > > > > ===================== > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply.com/?code=post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Ok, I went to the doctor today (gi doc) she told me to finish the interferon and rebetrol I am on for the next 3 weeks then I will go off the treatment she says I have not responded and most people after 6 months if they dont respond they will not. She also wrote some orders for a abd ultrasound and some labs to detect cancer. She tells me not to worry there is a new treatment coming???? Anyone heard of new treatment for Hep C??? Then she asked me about an oncologist I use to work with as a nurse so I am freaked to say the least but she kept telling me even if I did not respond I was giving my liver a break??? My white count is 2.1 Hgb 10 I am short of breathe and not really sure when I will feel better then they will not let my son have an MMR because of my labs. So tomorrow I am going during lunch time to the primary doc's office to get a release for my son to keep going to school and to find out when I can get a flu shot and when he can have his vaccine. Jesus I am a nurse and they tell me nothing I can not imagine how they treat anyone else with no medical background. Any suggestions of what I should do next. I guess I will hit the herbal route until this " NEW " treatment comes out. Oh and God bless to all suffering from the dragon!! advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916@... > > > > > > ===================== > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply.com/?code=post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Ok, I went to the doctor today (gi doc) she told me to finish the interferon and rebetrol I am on for the next 3 weeks then I will go off the treatment she says I have not responded and most people after 6 months if they dont respond they will not. She also wrote some orders for a abd ultrasound and some labs to detect cancer. She tells me not to worry there is a new treatment coming???? Anyone heard of new treatment for Hep C??? Then she asked me about an oncologist I use to work with as a nurse so I am freaked to say the least but she kept telling me even if I did not respond I was giving my liver a break??? My white count is 2.1 Hgb 10 I am short of breathe and not really sure when I will feel better then they will not let my son have an MMR because of my labs. So tomorrow I am going during lunch time to the primary doc's office to get a release for my son to keep going to school and to find out when I can get a flu shot and when he can have his vaccine. Jesus I am a nurse and they tell me nothing I can not imagine how they treat anyone else with no medical background. Any suggestions of what I should do next. I guess I will hit the herbal route until this " NEW " treatment comes out. Oh and God bless to all suffering from the dragon!! advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916@... > > > > > > ===================== > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply.com/?code=post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I'm sorry that the treatment didn't work for you. I got tears in my eyes when I read your post. Not that you have anything to worry about but just it's such a shitty treatment and for it to not work on top of it is sad. But, yes, I went undetectable within the first 28 days of treatment with a new clinical trial drug. It's a polymerase inhibitor from Pharmasset. The trick is to knock the viral load to undetectable early, and then that will allow the interferon to do it's job. Hold on tight, , the new drugs are coming and they are promising. Deron advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916hotmail (DOT) com > > > > > > ============ ========= > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply. com/?code= post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I'm sorry that the treatment didn't work for you. I got tears in my eyes when I read your post. Not that you have anything to worry about but just it's such a shitty treatment and for it to not work on top of it is sad. But, yes, I went undetectable within the first 28 days of treatment with a new clinical trial drug. It's a polymerase inhibitor from Pharmasset. The trick is to knock the viral load to undetectable early, and then that will allow the interferon to do it's job. Hold on tight, , the new drugs are coming and they are promising. Deron advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916hotmail (DOT) com > > > > > > ============ ========= > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply. com/?code= post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I'm sorry that the treatment didn't work for you. I got tears in my eyes when I read your post. Not that you have anything to worry about but just it's such a shitty treatment and for it to not work on top of it is sad. But, yes, I went undetectable within the first 28 days of treatment with a new clinical trial drug. It's a polymerase inhibitor from Pharmasset. The trick is to knock the viral load to undetectable early, and then that will allow the interferon to do it's job. Hold on tight, , the new drugs are coming and they are promising. Deron advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916hotmail (DOT) com > > > > > > ============ ========= > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply. com/?code= post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I'm sorry that the treatment didn't work for you. I got tears in my eyes when I read your post. Not that you have anything to worry about but just it's such a shitty treatment and for it to not work on top of it is sad. But, yes, I went undetectable within the first 28 days of treatment with a new clinical trial drug. It's a polymerase inhibitor from Pharmasset. The trick is to knock the viral load to undetectable early, and then that will allow the interferon to do it's job. Hold on tight, , the new drugs are coming and they are promising. Deron advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916hotmail (DOT) com > > > > > > ============ ========= > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply. com/?code= post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thanks Deron, Yes I will not give up hope for the new treatments and she did tell me not to worry but as anyone that has been on pegintron worry/anxiety go along with that. I am in such a remote area in texas and for the most part the general practioners just consult with someone 3 hours away. I guess that is good they dont try to treat something they are not sure about but in the other hand it is a long drive to get treatment or care plus the costs of the visits and labs well everyone even with insurance pay a lot of money for healthcare. Thanks for the information about the new medications I will next doctor visit have some paper work about it printed out for my primary md. advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916hotmail (DOT) com > > > > > > ============ ========= > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply. com/?code= post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thanks Deron, Yes I will not give up hope for the new treatments and she did tell me not to worry but as anyone that has been on pegintron worry/anxiety go along with that. I am in such a remote area in texas and for the most part the general practioners just consult with someone 3 hours away. I guess that is good they dont try to treat something they are not sure about but in the other hand it is a long drive to get treatment or care plus the costs of the visits and labs well everyone even with insurance pay a lot of money for healthcare. Thanks for the information about the new medications I will next doctor visit have some paper work about it printed out for my primary md. advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916hotmail (DOT) com > > > > > > ============ ========= > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply. com/?code= post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thanks Deron, Yes I will not give up hope for the new treatments and she did tell me not to worry but as anyone that has been on pegintron worry/anxiety go along with that. I am in such a remote area in texas and for the most part the general practioners just consult with someone 3 hours away. I guess that is good they dont try to treat something they are not sure about but in the other hand it is a long drive to get treatment or care plus the costs of the visits and labs well everyone even with insurance pay a lot of money for healthcare. Thanks for the information about the new medications I will next doctor visit have some paper work about it printed out for my primary md. advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916hotmail (DOT) com > > > > > > ============ ========= > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply. com/?code= post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thanks Deron, Yes I will not give up hope for the new treatments and she did tell me not to worry but as anyone that has been on pegintron worry/anxiety go along with that. I am in such a remote area in texas and for the most part the general practioners just consult with someone 3 hours away. I guess that is good they dont try to treat something they are not sure about but in the other hand it is a long drive to get treatment or care plus the costs of the visits and labs well everyone even with insurance pay a lot of money for healthcare. Thanks for the information about the new medications I will next doctor visit have some paper work about it printed out for my primary md. advice wanted re: cirrhosis > > > > Hi Everyone - > It's been a while since I've posted, but after a couple of recent doctor > visits, I need to reach out to the group for opinions, advice, and > support. That does not exclude any of you who are not going through > what I am. I am welcome to hear from anyone who has anything at all to > say that might help. > > A little background is necessary. During my training in Grad. School, I > was inadvertently stuck by used needles by harried nurses. I contracted > Hep. C. This was 5 years ago. 3 years ago, my enzyymes were whacked > out, so they did bloodwork and based upon those results, followed with a > live biopsy. At that time, I had some minor fibrosis, but due to the > fact that I also suffer from major depression - recurrent, they wanted > to wait a bit before the " cocktail " of interferon and ribarviran. > > One year later, I had my second biopsy and had progressed to end stage > cirrhosis. I've know this now for a year, but it still flies in the > face of the normal progression of the disease. As I am sure you all > know, it normally takes 3 decades or so before one begins to develop > liver cancer, hepatic encepaphalopathy, or CIRRHOSIS. And the chances > of that happening are 1 in 5. So, not only am I very much in that > unlucky 20%, but I developed end stage cirrhosis in one year - if you > consider that the year before, the biopsy did not indicate impending > cirrhosis. I suppose you could say it took from the time I was > infected, but even that was a 5 year window for my Hep. C. to become > Cirrhosis. > > At the time that the biopsy showed cirrhosis (severe), they decided to > do the cocktail. They insisted upon doing it in the hospital - at least > at the beginning of tx. So, the G.I. tells me that I still have a 50/50 > chance of eradicating the Hep. C., and the hope was that my lliver would > regenerate. (It was only later that I learned from my current doc. at > Mass General in Boston that once you have developed cirrhosis, the > treatments has only a 5% chance of having any effect whatsoever. On the > Hep. C. But it sure did have an effect on my. I immediately shot to a > body temp. of 106, stopped eatng, couldn't sleep, attempted to murder my > father, attempted suicide and more. After four weeks of the most > hellish experience of my life, one morning I woke up and thought " I > can't do this for a year. Just can't. Something bad WILL happen. " The > day I made that decision I had the most violent and longest seizure my > dad has ever seen. (He's seen his share in healthcare.) I eventually > came out of it and that's when I switched G.I.s who informed me that he > will NEVER give me that treatment again. > > That's the story thus far. Now the questions: > > 1) Since my body cannot tolerate " the cocktail " (and by the way, it > infuriates me that there's only one option here, considering that > cirrhosis is the 7th leading cause of death in the U.S.) Personally, I > think there's a bias, since some cirrhostic patients got that way from > ingesting too much alcohol (another under-treated disease) with a BIG > ol' stigma attached. For those of you wondering, I haven't had a dring > since college and I'm 48 y.o. But I digress... Since I cannot take the > only treatment for Hep. C., if I am lucky enough to get a liver or > portion of a liver transplant, what will stop the Hep. C which still > rages throughout my body from kiling that liver. But more importantly, > > 2) Tranplantees have to take medication for the rest of their lives. > Guess what medication is used for anti-rejection of the liver? > Interferon and Ribaveron. I went to a seminar on drugs for Hep. C. and > learned that there are none that will be available for at least eight > years. But that's only the time it takes to get through the FDA. I've > tried geting into Hep.C. trials, but because I am cirrrhotic, I am not a > candidate for EVERY ONE I've pursued. It just happened so fast, I > didn't even consider trials -- thinking I'd not be the one of five and > that I had decades before cirrhosis would devlop. Anyway, again there > is only ONE anti-rejection drug for liver transplantation, as is the > case with Hep. C. - and, gee, IT'S THE SAME DRUG! > > I'm confused, frustrated, and feel doomed. I live about two hours from > my G.I. and he doesn't want to see me for a year...I suppose because > there's nothing he can do. As a proactive person, I asked him what I > could do. He shrugged and said " well, there's really no 'liver diet', > but certainly avoid salt.' He is a genius - don't misunderstand me - he > is a truly wonderful doctor and I feel like I'm in good hands, however > useful they may be in my case. > > Any questions for me? I'd really like to hear from as many of you as > possible. My depression is, naturally, compounded by this along with > the fact that I have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I wish those damn > lamps weren't so expensive. Anybody know of a place that sells them for > less that half of my disability check??? Does anyone else experience > confusion and forgetfulness. What about fatigue? I " hit the wall " at > noon and can sleep until the next morning. Please share your advice, > quesitions, experiences, and hope. > > I maintain an open heart and an open mind, still have a great sense of > humor (although it's a little warped - but in this country how could it > not be???) and, most of all, I have a very rich inner life. My > spirituality has literally saved my life throughout this journey and > continues to - moment by moment. In closing, I'll share this with you > and really hope some of you will find it in yourselves to respond. > > Submission to God's will is the softest pillow on which to > rest.--Unknown > I send my wishes for well-being to all of you in this group. We are > faced with a challenge. Do you know what the Chinese character for the > word " crisis " is? Danger and opportunity. My degree is in Rehab. > Psychology (ironic? Ya think?). And I'm willing to help any of you who > reach out to me. It's important for me to be in contact with this group > and make that promise. Hope to hear from some of you soon. > > Peace and well-being, > > jamie0916hotmail (DOT) com > > > > > > ============ ========= > > > Posted through Grouply, the better way > > > to access your like this one. > > > http://www.grouply. com/?code= post > > > > type_D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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