adjunct viral killer...HCV/HIV coinfected?

[Guest guest]

....there's probably people on this list that are coinfected, or people who

know people who are. also, there's something of a similarity with most of

this between HCV and HIV. HCV is also readily killed by microcurrents.

it's easy to reduce viral load in the blood, but to get'em where they hang

out is another thing. the gutzilla mentioned is a type of large surface

area contact (transducer) made easily from sponges and tin foil, and can be

used on the liver as well as the gut.

[] HIV, Beck, Drugs and the Mystery

HIV (human immuno-deficiency virus) in the lab was reduced 99% by dc

current in 3-6 minutes at levels easily tolerated by human cells.

IN fact, the cells treated lived longer than cells NOT treated!

Drugs proved in lab tests to reduce HIV by 98%, but with some toxic

side effects.

Both methods offer a real reduction in the virus, albeit one is

highly painful to the person, and has other drawbacks, while the

other is harmless but lacks backing of " establishment " medicine.

People have used both methods. Both have reduced their viral loads,

improved symptomatic picture, and in some cases got virus to zero or

very close to it as measured in blood tests.

Some have died or suffered horribly with side effects from the

drugs, especially the early ones, like AZT. Some have been able to

stave off death without side effects using the electricity or " Beck

Protocol " solution. And finally, some have tried BOTH of these

methods. Yet questions remain. T-cell counts have stayed too low

for good health. Theories about the T-cell count sprung up, too.

Nothing quite answers the questions, or solves the mystery. In most

cases, the immune system did not regerate with the virus " gone " . It

did not regenerate with a " healthy lifestyle " . In most cases,

though treated at great cost to a person, they remained ill and at

risk.

Theories sprung up saying " HIV could not have been the cause of

AIDS " , or " the drugs ruined the immune system " or, " Beck was a fraud

to claim a cure, it only partly works or does not work " , or " we

still don't really know what causes AIDS " , or " it's a bad lifestyle

keeping the immune system suppressed and is the real cause of

AIDS " . Plausible as these may sound, they don't really work to

explain it, though.

Fast forward to December 2006. Researchers via biopsies on HIV

patients find that drugs do not reach most HIV. Drugs simply do not

reach most HIV. They reach it in blood and in some organs, but not

in the gut linings, which is a huge area full of immune system

cells. 50-70% of immune cells live there and are being constantly

infected without there being ANYTHING done about it.

The Mystery: HIV is actively destroying the immune system. But

while it is destroying the person, it is not always found in the

blood tests! The person can appear HIV-free, and yet be dying! How

can they both have HIV and NOT have HIV? Have no HIV, but develop

AIDS (acquired immune deficiency syndrome)?

No wonder so many explanations or theories have appeared trying to

explain illness and death amongst those who show little or no HIV in

blood. And these are not stupid theories. Well, to me, some are

stupid. For instance saying people with AIDS and high HIV viral load

aren't being made sick by HIV. That HIV is harmless passenger

virus. It does destroy t-cells easily and many photos show the

process in all its gory detail. That theory is just unlikely and

not a good working hypothesis.

It's the theories about why they have little HIV or NO HIV and still

have AIDS that merit some examination. These theories are

intelligent guesses about the mystery of what is ruining the immune

system even if HIV is mostly gone? Well, surpise: it was NOT

GONE!

It is free-ranging in the gut. It can attack and subdue 70% of the

immune system without ever being detected! Even the best treatments

have been lack-luster due to the fact they only addressed 30% of the

virus, and left 70% or more behind! No wonder people didn't move

beyond theories and just solve HIV/AIDS! They had no idea it was

even there.

It's time for new think. It's time to attempt to hit the 70%

remaining HIV in the body. We should keep dealing with the 30% we

can deal with. But we sure can't ignore 70% of it anymore and claim

to understand the situation or have any hope of a real cure, or even

a really effective treatment. Whatever our favorite theory about

HIV/AIDS, these new biopsy observations should tell us to suspend it

for a minute and try to dispose of the virus in gut before another

day goes by.

It would be great if Gutzilla worked. Think of it: you are

applying a known-good virus defeater straight at an area LOADED with

virus. The electricity cannot miss it! It is like shooting fish in

a barrel. The statistical odds of striking HIV are very high once

large pads are placed over the gut area. In the first few

applications the virus should get creamed by the flood of electrons

going through the area. Billions of hits per each virus each

second! That should alter their electron-dense inner nucleus, alter

their outer protein layers (making it hard or impossible to bind to

a host cell) and alter the enzyme reverse transcriptase they need to

replicate. There should be a torrent of inactivated virus soon to

enter the elimination system, along with millions of infected t-

cells that were acting only as virus-factories, instead of defending

the person against infection. All these things will produce a

cleansing die-off of bad stuff and will require some rest and

liquids to flush. With a reduced immune system, the person still

needs to be on-guard while the body catches up. This should happen

pretty fast, with HIV no longer taking out so many immune cells!

If it goes per plan, we should be able clear up a case of HIV in a

week or less if applied a few times a day.

We have cleared out other viruses, even really tough ones, like

herpes and the common cold. HIV is a lenti-virus, or " slow virus " .

It's delicate, requires a protected environment. If not interferred

with, it takes 1.2 days to replicate. If interferred with, it won't

replicate even after 4 days! (Einstein College of Medicine HIV

study). It dies off. It's not the hardiest of virus, or we'd all

have it by now.

What does this all mean to you? Get on it, HIV-afflicted people.

Beck said " take back your power " . " I say You can take back your

power, your sex life, your joy, your mind, your creativity, your

peace of mind, your time spent treating and worrying, your money,

and even your junk food " ..if this works. So, please find out!

Please take the hour or so to build it, and the hour a day for a

week or a month to apply it. Let us know how you do with it. So

much depends on your testing. I doubt it can hurt, but offer it to

help find out all about it. There's no test group, there's no money

for this. Yet those are not the things that can make it work. All

we need now is to know if it does work. And if not, what was done,

and we modify that a bit to get it to work. I'm very sure it can be

made to work with your help and feedback. I appeal to your

greatness, which was never doubted. This would be the greatest

thing you could ever do.

bG

[Guest guest]

....there's probably people on this list that are coinfected, or people who

know people who are. also, there's something of a similarity with most of

this between HCV and HIV. HCV is also readily killed by microcurrents.

it's easy to reduce viral load in the blood, but to get'em where they hang

out is another thing. the gutzilla mentioned is a type of large surface

area contact (transducer) made easily from sponges and tin foil, and can be

used on the liver as well as the gut.

[] HIV, Beck, Drugs and the Mystery

HIV (human immuno-deficiency virus) in the lab was reduced 99% by dc

current in 3-6 minutes at levels easily tolerated by human cells.

IN fact, the cells treated lived longer than cells NOT treated!

Drugs proved in lab tests to reduce HIV by 98%, but with some toxic

side effects.

Both methods offer a real reduction in the virus, albeit one is

highly painful to the person, and has other drawbacks, while the

other is harmless but lacks backing of " establishment " medicine.

People have used both methods. Both have reduced their viral loads,

improved symptomatic picture, and in some cases got virus to zero or

very close to it as measured in blood tests.

Some have died or suffered horribly with side effects from the

drugs, especially the early ones, like AZT. Some have been able to

stave off death without side effects using the electricity or " Beck

Protocol " solution. And finally, some have tried BOTH of these

methods. Yet questions remain. T-cell counts have stayed too low

for good health. Theories about the T-cell count sprung up, too.

Nothing quite answers the questions, or solves the mystery. In most

cases, the immune system did not regerate with the virus " gone " . It

did not regenerate with a " healthy lifestyle " . In most cases,

though treated at great cost to a person, they remained ill and at

risk.

Theories sprung up saying " HIV could not have been the cause of

AIDS " , or " the drugs ruined the immune system " or, " Beck was a fraud

to claim a cure, it only partly works or does not work " , or " we

still don't really know what causes AIDS " , or " it's a bad lifestyle

keeping the immune system suppressed and is the real cause of

AIDS " . Plausible as these may sound, they don't really work to

explain it, though.

Fast forward to December 2006. Researchers via biopsies on HIV

patients find that drugs do not reach most HIV. Drugs simply do not

reach most HIV. They reach it in blood and in some organs, but not

in the gut linings, which is a huge area full of immune system

cells. 50-70% of immune cells live there and are being constantly

infected without there being ANYTHING done about it.

The Mystery: HIV is actively destroying the immune system. But

while it is destroying the person, it is not always found in the

blood tests! The person can appear HIV-free, and yet be dying! How

can they both have HIV and NOT have HIV? Have no HIV, but develop

AIDS (acquired immune deficiency syndrome)?

No wonder so many explanations or theories have appeared trying to

explain illness and death amongst those who show little or no HIV in

blood. And these are not stupid theories. Well, to me, some are

stupid. For instance saying people with AIDS and high HIV viral load

aren't being made sick by HIV. That HIV is harmless passenger

virus. It does destroy t-cells easily and many photos show the

process in all its gory detail. That theory is just unlikely and

not a good working hypothesis.

It's the theories about why they have little HIV or NO HIV and still

have AIDS that merit some examination. These theories are

intelligent guesses about the mystery of what is ruining the immune

system even if HIV is mostly gone? Well, surpise: it was NOT

GONE!

It is free-ranging in the gut. It can attack and subdue 70% of the

immune system without ever being detected! Even the best treatments

have been lack-luster due to the fact they only addressed 30% of the

virus, and left 70% or more behind! No wonder people didn't move

beyond theories and just solve HIV/AIDS! They had no idea it was

even there.

It's time for new think. It's time to attempt to hit the 70%

remaining HIV in the body. We should keep dealing with the 30% we

can deal with. But we sure can't ignore 70% of it anymore and claim

to understand the situation or have any hope of a real cure, or even

a really effective treatment. Whatever our favorite theory about

HIV/AIDS, these new biopsy observations should tell us to suspend it

for a minute and try to dispose of the virus in gut before another

day goes by.

It would be great if Gutzilla worked. Think of it: you are

applying a known-good virus defeater straight at an area LOADED with

virus. The electricity cannot miss it! It is like shooting fish in

a barrel. The statistical odds of striking HIV are very high once

large pads are placed over the gut area. In the first few

applications the virus should get creamed by the flood of electrons

going through the area. Billions of hits per each virus each

second! That should alter their electron-dense inner nucleus, alter

their outer protein layers (making it hard or impossible to bind to

a host cell) and alter the enzyme reverse transcriptase they need to

replicate. There should be a torrent of inactivated virus soon to

enter the elimination system, along with millions of infected t-

cells that were acting only as virus-factories, instead of defending

the person against infection. All these things will produce a

cleansing die-off of bad stuff and will require some rest and

liquids to flush. With a reduced immune system, the person still

needs to be on-guard while the body catches up. This should happen

pretty fast, with HIV no longer taking out so many immune cells!

If it goes per plan, we should be able clear up a case of HIV in a

week or less if applied a few times a day.

We have cleared out other viruses, even really tough ones, like

herpes and the common cold. HIV is a lenti-virus, or " slow virus " .

It's delicate, requires a protected environment. If not interferred

with, it takes 1.2 days to replicate. If interferred with, it won't

replicate even after 4 days! (Einstein College of Medicine HIV

study). It dies off. It's not the hardiest of virus, or we'd all

have it by now.

What does this all mean to you? Get on it, HIV-afflicted people.

Beck said " take back your power " . " I say You can take back your

power, your sex life, your joy, your mind, your creativity, your

peace of mind, your time spent treating and worrying, your money,

and even your junk food " ..if this works. So, please find out!

Please take the hour or so to build it, and the hour a day for a

week or a month to apply it. Let us know how you do with it. So

much depends on your testing. I doubt it can hurt, but offer it to

help find out all about it. There's no test group, there's no money

for this. Yet those are not the things that can make it work. All

we need now is to know if it does work. And if not, what was done,

and we modify that a bit to get it to work. I'm very sure it can be

made to work with your help and feedback. I appeal to your

greatness, which was never doubted. This would be the greatest

thing you could ever do.

bG

[Guest guest]

....there's probably people on this list that are coinfected, or people who

know people who are. also, there's something of a similarity with most of

this between HCV and HIV. HCV is also readily killed by microcurrents.

it's easy to reduce viral load in the blood, but to get'em where they hang

out is another thing. the gutzilla mentioned is a type of large surface

area contact (transducer) made easily from sponges and tin foil, and can be

used on the liver as well as the gut.

[] HIV, Beck, Drugs and the Mystery

HIV (human immuno-deficiency virus) in the lab was reduced 99% by dc

current in 3-6 minutes at levels easily tolerated by human cells.

IN fact, the cells treated lived longer than cells NOT treated!

Drugs proved in lab tests to reduce HIV by 98%, but with some toxic

side effects.

Both methods offer a real reduction in the virus, albeit one is

highly painful to the person, and has other drawbacks, while the

other is harmless but lacks backing of " establishment " medicine.

People have used both methods. Both have reduced their viral loads,

improved symptomatic picture, and in some cases got virus to zero or

very close to it as measured in blood tests.

Some have died or suffered horribly with side effects from the

drugs, especially the early ones, like AZT. Some have been able to

stave off death without side effects using the electricity or " Beck

Protocol " solution. And finally, some have tried BOTH of these

methods. Yet questions remain. T-cell counts have stayed too low

for good health. Theories about the T-cell count sprung up, too.

Nothing quite answers the questions, or solves the mystery. In most

cases, the immune system did not regerate with the virus " gone " . It

did not regenerate with a " healthy lifestyle " . In most cases,

though treated at great cost to a person, they remained ill and at

risk.

Theories sprung up saying " HIV could not have been the cause of

AIDS " , or " the drugs ruined the immune system " or, " Beck was a fraud

to claim a cure, it only partly works or does not work " , or " we

still don't really know what causes AIDS " , or " it's a bad lifestyle

keeping the immune system suppressed and is the real cause of

AIDS " . Plausible as these may sound, they don't really work to

explain it, though.

Fast forward to December 2006. Researchers via biopsies on HIV

patients find that drugs do not reach most HIV. Drugs simply do not

reach most HIV. They reach it in blood and in some organs, but not

in the gut linings, which is a huge area full of immune system

cells. 50-70% of immune cells live there and are being constantly

infected without there being ANYTHING done about it.

The Mystery: HIV is actively destroying the immune system. But

while it is destroying the person, it is not always found in the

blood tests! The person can appear HIV-free, and yet be dying! How

can they both have HIV and NOT have HIV? Have no HIV, but develop

AIDS (acquired immune deficiency syndrome)?

No wonder so many explanations or theories have appeared trying to

explain illness and death amongst those who show little or no HIV in

blood. And these are not stupid theories. Well, to me, some are

stupid. For instance saying people with AIDS and high HIV viral load

aren't being made sick by HIV. That HIV is harmless passenger

virus. It does destroy t-cells easily and many photos show the

process in all its gory detail. That theory is just unlikely and

not a good working hypothesis.

It's the theories about why they have little HIV or NO HIV and still

have AIDS that merit some examination. These theories are

intelligent guesses about the mystery of what is ruining the immune

system even if HIV is mostly gone? Well, surpise: it was NOT

GONE!

It is free-ranging in the gut. It can attack and subdue 70% of the

immune system without ever being detected! Even the best treatments

have been lack-luster due to the fact they only addressed 30% of the

virus, and left 70% or more behind! No wonder people didn't move

beyond theories and just solve HIV/AIDS! They had no idea it was

even there.

It's time for new think. It's time to attempt to hit the 70%

remaining HIV in the body. We should keep dealing with the 30% we

can deal with. But we sure can't ignore 70% of it anymore and claim

to understand the situation or have any hope of a real cure, or even

a really effective treatment. Whatever our favorite theory about

HIV/AIDS, these new biopsy observations should tell us to suspend it

for a minute and try to dispose of the virus in gut before another

day goes by.

It would be great if Gutzilla worked. Think of it: you are

applying a known-good virus defeater straight at an area LOADED with

virus. The electricity cannot miss it! It is like shooting fish in

a barrel. The statistical odds of striking HIV are very high once

large pads are placed over the gut area. In the first few

applications the virus should get creamed by the flood of electrons

going through the area. Billions of hits per each virus each

second! That should alter their electron-dense inner nucleus, alter

their outer protein layers (making it hard or impossible to bind to

a host cell) and alter the enzyme reverse transcriptase they need to

replicate. There should be a torrent of inactivated virus soon to

enter the elimination system, along with millions of infected t-

cells that were acting only as virus-factories, instead of defending

the person against infection. All these things will produce a

cleansing die-off of bad stuff and will require some rest and

liquids to flush. With a reduced immune system, the person still

needs to be on-guard while the body catches up. This should happen

pretty fast, with HIV no longer taking out so many immune cells!

If it goes per plan, we should be able clear up a case of HIV in a

week or less if applied a few times a day.

We have cleared out other viruses, even really tough ones, like

herpes and the common cold. HIV is a lenti-virus, or " slow virus " .

It's delicate, requires a protected environment. If not interferred

with, it takes 1.2 days to replicate. If interferred with, it won't

replicate even after 4 days! (Einstein College of Medicine HIV

study). It dies off. It's not the hardiest of virus, or we'd all

have it by now.

What does this all mean to you? Get on it, HIV-afflicted people.

Beck said " take back your power " . " I say You can take back your

power, your sex life, your joy, your mind, your creativity, your

peace of mind, your time spent treating and worrying, your money,

and even your junk food " ..if this works. So, please find out!

Please take the hour or so to build it, and the hour a day for a

week or a month to apply it. Let us know how you do with it. So

much depends on your testing. I doubt it can hurt, but offer it to

help find out all about it. There's no test group, there's no money

for this. Yet those are not the things that can make it work. All

we need now is to know if it does work. And if not, what was done,

and we modify that a bit to get it to work. I'm very sure it can be

made to work with your help and feedback. I appeal to your

greatness, which was never doubted. This would be the greatest

thing you could ever do.

bG

[Guest guest]

....there's probably people on this list that are coinfected, or people who

know people who are. also, there's something of a similarity with most of

this between HCV and HIV. HCV is also readily killed by microcurrents.

it's easy to reduce viral load in the blood, but to get'em where they hang

out is another thing. the gutzilla mentioned is a type of large surface

area contact (transducer) made easily from sponges and tin foil, and can be

used on the liver as well as the gut.

[] HIV, Beck, Drugs and the Mystery

HIV (human immuno-deficiency virus) in the lab was reduced 99% by dc

current in 3-6 minutes at levels easily tolerated by human cells.

IN fact, the cells treated lived longer than cells NOT treated!

Drugs proved in lab tests to reduce HIV by 98%, but with some toxic

side effects.

Both methods offer a real reduction in the virus, albeit one is

highly painful to the person, and has other drawbacks, while the

other is harmless but lacks backing of " establishment " medicine.

People have used both methods. Both have reduced their viral loads,

improved symptomatic picture, and in some cases got virus to zero or

very close to it as measured in blood tests.

Some have died or suffered horribly with side effects from the

drugs, especially the early ones, like AZT. Some have been able to

stave off death without side effects using the electricity or " Beck

Protocol " solution. And finally, some have tried BOTH of these

methods. Yet questions remain. T-cell counts have stayed too low

for good health. Theories about the T-cell count sprung up, too.

Nothing quite answers the questions, or solves the mystery. In most

cases, the immune system did not regerate with the virus " gone " . It

did not regenerate with a " healthy lifestyle " . In most cases,

though treated at great cost to a person, they remained ill and at

risk.

Theories sprung up saying " HIV could not have been the cause of

AIDS " , or " the drugs ruined the immune system " or, " Beck was a fraud

to claim a cure, it only partly works or does not work " , or " we

still don't really know what causes AIDS " , or " it's a bad lifestyle

keeping the immune system suppressed and is the real cause of

AIDS " . Plausible as these may sound, they don't really work to

explain it, though.

Fast forward to December 2006. Researchers via biopsies on HIV

patients find that drugs do not reach most HIV. Drugs simply do not

reach most HIV. They reach it in blood and in some organs, but not

in the gut linings, which is a huge area full of immune system

cells. 50-70% of immune cells live there and are being constantly

infected without there being ANYTHING done about it.

The Mystery: HIV is actively destroying the immune system. But

while it is destroying the person, it is not always found in the

blood tests! The person can appear HIV-free, and yet be dying! How

can they both have HIV and NOT have HIV? Have no HIV, but develop

AIDS (acquired immune deficiency syndrome)?

No wonder so many explanations or theories have appeared trying to

explain illness and death amongst those who show little or no HIV in

blood. And these are not stupid theories. Well, to me, some are

stupid. For instance saying people with AIDS and high HIV viral load

aren't being made sick by HIV. That HIV is harmless passenger

virus. It does destroy t-cells easily and many photos show the

process in all its gory detail. That theory is just unlikely and

not a good working hypothesis.

It's the theories about why they have little HIV or NO HIV and still

have AIDS that merit some examination. These theories are

intelligent guesses about the mystery of what is ruining the immune

system even if HIV is mostly gone? Well, surpise: it was NOT

GONE!

It is free-ranging in the gut. It can attack and subdue 70% of the

immune system without ever being detected! Even the best treatments

have been lack-luster due to the fact they only addressed 30% of the

virus, and left 70% or more behind! No wonder people didn't move

beyond theories and just solve HIV/AIDS! They had no idea it was

even there.

It's time for new think. It's time to attempt to hit the 70%

remaining HIV in the body. We should keep dealing with the 30% we

can deal with. But we sure can't ignore 70% of it anymore and claim

to understand the situation or have any hope of a real cure, or even

a really effective treatment. Whatever our favorite theory about

HIV/AIDS, these new biopsy observations should tell us to suspend it

for a minute and try to dispose of the virus in gut before another

day goes by.

It would be great if Gutzilla worked. Think of it: you are

applying a known-good virus defeater straight at an area LOADED with

virus. The electricity cannot miss it! It is like shooting fish in

a barrel. The statistical odds of striking HIV are very high once

large pads are placed over the gut area. In the first few

applications the virus should get creamed by the flood of electrons

going through the area. Billions of hits per each virus each

second! That should alter their electron-dense inner nucleus, alter

their outer protein layers (making it hard or impossible to bind to

a host cell) and alter the enzyme reverse transcriptase they need to

replicate. There should be a torrent of inactivated virus soon to

enter the elimination system, along with millions of infected t-

cells that were acting only as virus-factories, instead of defending

the person against infection. All these things will produce a

cleansing die-off of bad stuff and will require some rest and

liquids to flush. With a reduced immune system, the person still

needs to be on-guard while the body catches up. This should happen

pretty fast, with HIV no longer taking out so many immune cells!

If it goes per plan, we should be able clear up a case of HIV in a

week or less if applied a few times a day.

We have cleared out other viruses, even really tough ones, like

herpes and the common cold. HIV is a lenti-virus, or " slow virus " .

It's delicate, requires a protected environment. If not interferred

with, it takes 1.2 days to replicate. If interferred with, it won't

replicate even after 4 days! (Einstein College of Medicine HIV

study). It dies off. It's not the hardiest of virus, or we'd all

have it by now.

What does this all mean to you? Get on it, HIV-afflicted people.

Beck said " take back your power " . " I say You can take back your

power, your sex life, your joy, your mind, your creativity, your

peace of mind, your time spent treating and worrying, your money,

and even your junk food " ..if this works. So, please find out!

Please take the hour or so to build it, and the hour a day for a

week or a month to apply it. Let us know how you do with it. So

much depends on your testing. I doubt it can hurt, but offer it to

help find out all about it. There's no test group, there's no money

for this. Yet those are not the things that can make it work. All

we need now is to know if it does work. And if not, what was done,

and we modify that a bit to get it to work. I'm very sure it can be

made to work with your help and feedback. I appeal to your

greatness, which was never doubted. This would be the greatest

thing you could ever do.

bG