WHICH STATES AND WHICH CHURCH PLEASE. Church of Universal Life Question

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My questions are TWO... IF the state's approval of a particular church membership is required, then what separation is there between church and state? Effectively, this is an endoresement of church doctrine and blurs any distinction. Most churches actually support vaccinations, even though no one in the church leadership has credentials for making such judgments, and, even if they did, it would be easy enough for the government to make life difficult for those who supported exemptions... What Mr. says makes sense, and I would REALLY like to know which states are those who require church support for exemption and which churches then meet their standards of legitimate religious faith... Can anyone find an answer to this one, because that would be worth knowing...

From: <children_hi_usa@...>Subject: Re: Church of Universal Life Questionno-forced-vaccination Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 9:36 PM

AlanDo you know about the laws here in Texas? 512-244-1994

http://www.children againsthyperinsu linism.com

From: "Alan G. , Esq." <lawpapa@.... com>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:40:02 AMSubject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Church of Universal Life Question

Regarding the Church of Universal Order question, few states have laws requiring membership in an organized religion. If yours doesn't, you don't need to belong to any church, nor does it matter what church you belong to if you do belong to one, according to federal legal precedent.

A lot of people have exemptions accepted that could fail if they had been challenged, so the question is, do you want to take that risk? There's one federal case where parents lost the exemption despite belonging to a church, where the church was founded on "chiropractic ethics"--that is, it was deemed not to really be a church for legal exemption purposes, and since the parents joined the church to get the exemption, their beliefs were deemed not to be sincere.

Since there's no way to know ahead of time if your exemption will be challenged (unless you live in NY--I get more calls from NY than any other state, NY seems to be particularly aggressive), why take the chance?

Better to just articulate your sincerely held religious objections when exercising a religious exemption, whether or not you belong to a church--that' s what federal case law requires for First Amendment protection.

Alan G. , Esq.P.O. Box 3473Chapel Hill, NC 27515-3473919-960-5172www.vaccinerights. com

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My questions are TWO... IF the state's approval of a particular church membership is required, then what separation is there between church and state? Effectively, this is an endoresement of church doctrine and blurs any distinction. Most churches actually support vaccinations, even though no one in the church leadership has credentials for making such judgments, and, even if they did, it would be easy enough for the government to make life difficult for those who supported exemptions... What Mr. says makes sense, and I would REALLY like to know which states are those who require church support for exemption and which churches then meet their standards of legitimate religious faith... Can anyone find an answer to this one, because that would be worth knowing...

From: <children_hi_usa@...>Subject: Re: Church of Universal Life Questionno-forced-vaccination Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 9:36 PM

AlanDo you know about the laws here in Texas? 512-244-1994

http://www.children againsthyperinsu linism.com

From: "Alan G. , Esq." <lawpapa@.... com>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:40:02 AMSubject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Church of Universal Life Question

Regarding the Church of Universal Order question, few states have laws requiring membership in an organized religion. If yours doesn't, you don't need to belong to any church, nor does it matter what church you belong to if you do belong to one, according to federal legal precedent.

A lot of people have exemptions accepted that could fail if they had been challenged, so the question is, do you want to take that risk? There's one federal case where parents lost the exemption despite belonging to a church, where the church was founded on "chiropractic ethics"--that is, it was deemed not to really be a church for legal exemption purposes, and since the parents joined the church to get the exemption, their beliefs were deemed not to be sincere.

Since there's no way to know ahead of time if your exemption will be challenged (unless you live in NY--I get more calls from NY than any other state, NY seems to be particularly aggressive), why take the chance?

Better to just articulate your sincerely held religious objections when exercising a religious exemption, whether or not you belong to a church--that' s what federal case law requires for First Amendment protection.

Alan G. , Esq.P.O. Box 3473Chapel Hill, NC 27515-3473919-960-5172www.vaccinerights. com