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I don't know how safe soy is in an infant formula, but I am curious as to

why people rarely mention the Chinese and Japanese population regarding all

of these concerns about soy? I don't know what to believe anymore with the

stories that have been circulating about soy making men gay and other such

lunacy! Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting that soy is a good option

for infant formula. But I am beginning to get a little suspicious now

whenever I see another scary story about soy. It makes me wonder if the

dairy industry is up to something.

As for girls developing at a younger age than they did 20 years ago? I have

read that obesity is the culprit. Fat. And lots of it. Hence the massive

onslaught of Adult Onset Diabetes in children. Although I haven't checked, I

strongly suspect that girls maturing earlier began before soy in infant

formulas.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

http://naturalhealthsherpa.com/soy-superfood-toxic-killer/5291?utm_source=newsle\

tter & utm_medium=email & utm_content=13026265 & utm_campaign=A%20superfood%20or%20tox\

ic%20killer%3F

>

> snip

>

> The Concern with Soy-Infant Formulas…

> While the studies on soy and cancer and the thyroid are concerning, the

> issue

> that has most soy opponents up in arms has to do with soy and infants.

> And on this front, one study in particular presents some shocking findings.

> Researchers at the Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati, Ohio,

> performed a random, double-blind study12 to see how much phytoestrogen

> (meaning

> plant-based estrogen) 21 four-month-old infants received from soy-based

> formula.

> They divided the infants into three groups. One received soy-based formula,

>

> one received cow milk formula, and the third had human breast milk. For the

>

> soy formulas, researchers tested five different brands, all of which showed

>

> similar soy isoflavones content and proportion of soy isolate.

> They found that the infants receiving the soy formula had 214 timesmore

> genistein (a key isoflavone found in soy) in their blood than that found in

> the

> infants receiving cow’s milk, and 244 times more than that found in infants

>

> receiving breast milk.

> The infants receiving soy also had 140 times more daidzen (another key

> isoflavone in soy) than those found in the infants receiving the cow’s milk

>

> formula, and 210 times more than in the infants taking the breast milk.

> Researchers concluded that the “daily exposure of infants to isoflavones in

> soy

> infant formulas is six to 11 fold greater on a bodyweight basis than the

> dose

> that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods.”

> Worse yet, they go on to say that “circulating concentrations of

> isoflavones in

> the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times higher

> than

> plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient to

> exert

> biological effects.”

> Wow! That’s a lot of unnatural estrogen floating around in those little

> bodies.

> And we wonder why girls are developing so much earlier than they did 20

> years

> ago, and why boys seem to be behind the curve. Could it be all that excess

> estrogen?

> Finally, those who are opposed to soy also point to a number of soy

> allergies

> and digestive problems soy can cause, including gas, cramping, bloating, or

>

> intestinal discomfort, all of which are signals that our bodies send us to

> indicate that the use of soy may not be in our best interest.

>

>

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The Weston A Price Foundation has been telling people about the dangers of

soy for several years - I did a search for soy on their website a few minutes

ago and there were over 10 pages of urls to articles .......

Over 10 pages of articles about soy

http://www.westonaprice.org/index.php?option=com_googlesearch_cse & n=30 & Itemid=36\

7 & cx=009193983198767998476%3A3mjsp4momgi & cof=FORID%3A11 & ie=UTF-8 & q=Soy & sa=Go! & hl\

=en & safe=active & cr=countryUS#914

Here are just a few from the first couple of pages of that search - you will

find more at each article as well as references to studies. The evidense about

the seriously harmful effects of soy are overwhelming.

Soy Alert!

Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous ... The

above soy dangers and our Myths & Truths

About Soy are available in our Soy ...

-- Confused About Soy?--Soy Dangers Summarized

-- Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Soy

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert.html

The Ploy of Soy

Sep 27, 1995 ... Describes the historical use of fermented soy products in China

and the dangers of non-fermented soy products being marketed as healthy in ...

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/689-ploy-of-soy.html

Myths & Truths About Soy

Dec 31, 1999 ... The Weston A Price Foundation exposes the myths and explains

the truth behind a number of soy fallacies.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/266-myths-and-truths-about-soy.html

Bad News for the Soy Industry

Feb 27, 2009 ... soy-icon Soy food sales are finally slowing down. According to

the recent market study Soyfoods: The U.S. Market 2005, soy food sales hit $4

....

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/699-bad-news-for-soy-industry.html

Why Babies Should Not be Fed Soy

Feb 10, 2010 ... Gail Elbek explains why babies should not be fed soy.

www.westonaprice.org/soy.../1854-why-babies-should-not-be-fed-soy.html

Hormone Therapies for Boys Harmed by Soy Formula

Nov 7, 2010 ... Every week I get agonized letters from parents who fed their

sons soy infant formula and who report estrogenized boys who are flabby, ...

www.westonaprice.org/.../hormone-therapies-for-boys-fed-soy-formula-.html

Soy Alert! Update, Winter 2004

May 24, 2004 ...

Two studies carried out by nutrition professor Sharon Donovan at the University

of Illinois show that the soy isoflavone genistein, ...

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/700-soy-alert-update-winter-2004.html

Soy Lecithin: From Sludge to Profit

Feb 25, 2004 ... Kaayla discusses the dangers of soy lecithin.

www.westonaprice.org/soy.../694-soy-lecithin-from-sludge-to-profit.html

The Tragedy of Soy Infant Formula

Jan 1, 2000 ... Describes the grave dangers of soy infant formula.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/736-tragedy-of-soy-formula.html

Soy and the Brain

Apr 28, 2004 ... MacArthur discusses the effects of soy on the brain.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/673-soy-and-the-brain.html

The Soy Controversy

May 26, 2004 ... Promotion of soy foods as a replacement for animal foods such

as eggs, fish, ... This report will examine some of the claims made for soy, ...

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/672-soy-controversy.html

Colony Collapse Disorder: Soy Tie to Bee Die-Off?

Feb 15, 2008 ... Kaayla discusses reasons for colony collapse in

honeybees.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/668-colony-collapse-disorder.html

Soy in the News

Mar 22, 2009 ... Dr. Kaayla summarizes several studies on soy that have

made news in the fall of 2007.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/1374-soy-in-the-news.html

Soy Recovery: The Toxic Metal Component

May 1, 2009 ... Kaayla outlines how to recover from soy induced heavy

metal toxicity.

www.westonaprice.org/soy.../1623-soy-recovery-the-toxic-metal-component. html

Soy and Osteoporosis: Not a Leg to Stand On

Dec 18, 2006 ... Kaayla examines the industry's claim that soy is a

solution for osteoporosis.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/670-soy-and-osteoporosis.html

Striking at the Soy Heart Health Claim

Mar 30, 2009 ... Dr. Kaayla reports on the petition presented to the FDA

urging that the soy-prevents-heart-disease claim be retracted.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/1439-soy-heart-health-claim.html

Soy Meal for Cows, by Trauger Groh

Trauger Groh, biodynamic farmer, author, and lecturer, speaks on his experience

of the detrimental effects of soy meal on cows and milk production.

www.realmilk.com/soy.html

Dr. Mark Hyman's Huffington Post article on Soy

Aug 30, 2010 ... On August 10, 2010, Dr. Mark Hyman posted an article " Soy:

Blessing or Curse? " on the Huff- ington Post blog

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ ...

www.westonaprice.org/.../dr-mark-hymans-huffington-post-article-on-soy-. html

Soy Carbohydrates: The Flatulence Factor

by ROUTOF GAS - Related articles

Dec 6, 2003 ... The Flatulence Factor is excerpted from the forthcoming book,

The Whole Soy Story, by Kaayla .

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/695-soy-carbohydrates-flatulence.html

Two Letters about Children Fed Soy Formula

Feb 15, 2010 ... My son is 15 and was fed soy as a baby (as advised by our

naturopathic ... As a baby he was fed some soy formula to supplement breast

milk. ...

www.westonaprice.org/.../answers-to-2-letters-about-children-fed-soy-

formula-.html

Soy Isoflavones: Panacea or Poison?

Feb 27, 2009 ... Mike Fitzpatrick's submission to the FDA: an effort to block

inclusion of estrogen-like compounds called isoflavones, found in large amounts

....

www.westonaprice.org/soy.../691-soy-isoflavones-panacea-or-poison.html

Recovery from Soy Part I: A Strategy for Dealing with Soy Allergies

Feb 14, 2008 ... Kaayla T. discusses strategies for dealing with soy

allergies.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/669-dealing-with-soy-allergies.html

Soy Infant Formula: Concerns and Recommendations

Feb 17, 2004 ... Read Suha Khoury's PowerPoint on Soy-based Infant Formula:

Concerns and Recommendations.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/717-soy-formula-khoury-ppt.html

Health Experts Urge FDA To Deny Soy Protein Cancer Prevention ...

Jul 5, 2004 ... WAPF Press Release regarding Solae's FDA Petition to claim soy

protein prevents cancer.

www.westonaprice.org/press/718-press-release-2004jul05.html

Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Isoflavones, 1950-2010

Aug 26, 2003 ... Shows that the addition of isoflavones to common foods poses a

clear danger to the public and should not be allowed.

www.westonaprice.org/soy.../666-studies-showing-adverse-effects-of-

isoflavones.html

Soy Infant Formula: Birth Control Pills for Babies

Oct 19, 2002 ... Children receiving soy infant formula as their only food take

in the estrogenic equivalent of at least five birth control pills per day.

www.westonaprice.org/soy.../715-soy-formula-birth-control-pills-for-babies. html

Experts Urge FDA Denial of Soy Protein and Cancer Health Claim

Jun 22, 2004 ... Press release regarding Solae's attempts to obtain a cancer

health claim for soy protein.

www.westonaprice.org/press/1394-press-release-2004jun22.html

Soy: The Dark Side of America's Favorite " Health " Food

Feb 17, 2004 ... Sally Fallon and Enig reveal the truth about soy in the

average diet.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/688-soy-dark-side.html

Dangers of Dietary Isoflavones At Levels Above Those Found In ...

Mar 2, 2009 ... Commentary on Cargill's self-determined GRAS status for their

AdvantaSoy Clear isoflavone supplement and the dangers of dietary isoflavones.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/742-dangers-of-dietary-isoflavones.html

Manganese Madness

Feb 27, 2009 ... Describes the dangers of excessive manganese in soy infant

formula.

www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/692-manganese-madness.html

blessings

Shan

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> >

> >

> >

> >

http://naturalhealthsherpa.com/soy-superfood-toxic-killer/5291?utm_source=newsle\

tter & utm_medium=email & utm_content=13026265 & utm_campaign=A%20superfood%20or%20tox\

ic%20killer%3F

> >

> > snip

> >

> > The Concern with Soy-Infant Formulas…

> > While the studies on soy and cancer and the thyroid are concerning, the

> > issue

> > that has most soy opponents up in arms has to do with soy and infants.

> > And on this front, one study in particular presents some shocking findings.

> > Researchers at the Children's Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati, Ohio,

> > performed a random, double-blind study12 to see how much phytoestrogen

> > (meaning

> > plant-based estrogen) 21 four-month-old infants received from soy-based

> > formula.

> > They divided the infants into three groups. One received soy-based formula,

> >

> > one received cow milk formula, and the third had human breast milk. For the

> >

> > soy formulas, researchers tested five different brands, all of which showed

> >

> > similar soy isoflavones content and proportion of soy isolate.

> > They found that the infants receiving the soy formula had 214 timesmore

> > genistein (a key isoflavone found in soy) in their blood than that found in

> > the

> > infants receiving cow's milk, and 244 times more than that found in infants

> >

> > receiving breast milk.

> > The infants receiving soy also had 140 times more daidzen (another key

> > isoflavone in soy) than those found in the infants receiving the cow's milk

> >

> > formula, and 210 times more than in the infants taking the breast milk.

> > Researchers concluded that the " daily exposure of infants to isoflavones in

> > soy

> > infant formulas is six to 11 fold greater on a bodyweight basis than the

> > dose

> > that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods. "

> > Worse yet, they go on to say that " circulating concentrations of

> > isoflavones in

> > the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times higher

> > than

> > plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient to

> > exert

> > biological effects. "

> > Wow! That's a lot of unnatural estrogen floating around in those little

> > bodies.

> > And we wonder why girls are developing so much earlier than they did 20

> > years

> > ago, and why boys seem to be behind the curve. Could it be all that excess

> > estrogen?

> > Finally, those who are opposed to soy also point to a number of soy

> > allergies

> > and digestive problems soy can cause, including gas, cramping, bloating, or

> >

> > intestinal discomfort, all of which are signals that our bodies send us to

> > indicate that the use of soy may not be in our best interest.

> >

> >

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Girls started developing sooner certainly in the 60's. The culprit then was DES

in the food supply.(diethylstilbestrol)

As for Asians isnt their soy fermented? How does this affect the chemistry? I

also expect soy of commerce is not the traditional soy.

I do know body builders avoid the stuff and for what it is worth I bought a sack

of it for my chickens as the protein assay is impressive. They avoid it unless

there is nothing else to eat. They even prefer barley to soy if you can believe

that.

________________________________

From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

Longevity

Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 12:41:44 PM

Subject: Re: soy dangerous

I don't know how safe soy is in an infant formula, but I am curious as to

why people rarely mention the Chinese and Japanese population regarding all

of these concerns about soy? I don't know what to believe anymore with the

stories that have been circulating about soy making men gay and other such

lunacy! Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting that soy is a good option

for infant formula. But I am beginning to get a little suspicious now

whenever I see another scary story about soy. It makes me wonder if the

dairy industry is up to something.

As for girls developing at a younger age than they did 20 years ago? I have

read that obesity is the culprit. Fat. And lots of it. Hence the massive

onslaught of Adult Onset Diabetes in children. Although I haven't checked, I

strongly suspect that girls maturing earlier began before soy in infant

formulas.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>http://naturalhealthsherpa.com/soy-superfood-toxic-killer/5291?utm_source=newsl\

etter & utm_medium=email & utm_content=13026265 & utm_campaign=A%20superfood%20or%20to\

xic%20killer%3F

>F

>

> snip

>

> The Concern with Soy-Infant Formulas…

> While the studies on soy and cancer and the thyroid are concerning, the

> issue

> that has most soy opponents up in arms has to do with soy and infants.

> And on this front, one study in particular presents some shocking findings.

> Researchers at the Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati, Ohio,

> performed a random, double-blind study12 to see how much phytoestrogen

> (meaning

> plant-based estrogen) 21 four-month-old infants received from soy-based

> formula.

> They divided the infants into three groups. One received soy-based formula,

>

> one received cow milk formula, and the third had human breast milk. For the

>

> soy formulas, researchers tested five different brands, all of which showed

>

> similar soy isoflavones content and proportion of soy isolate.

> They found that the infants receiving the soy formula had 214 timesmore

> genistein (a key isoflavone found in soy) in their blood than that found in

> the

> infants receiving cow’s milk, and 244 times more than that found in infants

>

> receiving breast milk.

> The infants receiving soy also had 140 times more daidzen (another key

> isoflavone in soy) than those found in the infants receiving the cow’s milk

>

> formula, and 210 times more than in the infants taking the breast milk.

> Researchers concluded that the “daily exposure of infants to isoflavones in

> soy

> infant formulas is six to 11 fold greater on a bodyweight basis than the

> dose

> that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods.â€

> Worse yet, they go on to say that “circulating concentrations of

> isoflavones in

> the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times higher

> than

> plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient to

> exert

> biological effects.â€

> Wow! That’s a lot of unnatural estrogen floating around in those little

> bodies.

> And we wonder why girls are developing so much earlier than they did 20

> years

> ago, and why boys seem to be behind the curve. Could it be all that excess

> estrogen?

> Finally, those who are opposed to soy also point to a number of soy

> allergies

> and digestive problems soy can cause, including gas, cramping, bloating, or

>

> intestinal discomfort, all of which are signals that our bodies send us to

> indicate that the use of soy may not be in our best interest.

>

>

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Gosh I don't know what the difference is between the soy that Asians consume

and what we consume. I just recently bought some soy milk to try. It is the

first soy product that I have knowingly purchased. But I think it may be

used in the non-dairy coffee creamer that I use. Other than that I don't

think that I have consumed much soy throughout my life. I was born in 1959

so I don't know if there was soy in baby formula then.

As for body builders? I found this article to be very interesting:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ivan3.htm

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Girls started developing sooner certainly in the 60's. The culprit then was

> DES

> in the food supply.(diethylstilbestrol)

>

> As for Asians isnt their soy fermented? How does this affect the chemistry?

> I

> also expect soy of commerce is not the traditional soy.

> I do know body builders avoid the stuff and for what it is worth I bought a

> sack

> of it for my chickens as the protein assay is impressive. They avoid it

> unless

> there is nothing else to eat. They even prefer barley to soy if you can

> believe

> that.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@... <chuckfrasher%40gmail.com>>

> Longevity <Longevity%40>

> Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 12:41:44 PM

> Subject: Re: soy dangerous

>

>

> I don't know how safe soy is in an infant formula, but I am curious as to

> why people rarely mention the Chinese and Japanese population regarding all

> of these concerns about soy? I don't know what to believe anymore with the

> stories that have been circulating about soy making men gay and other such

> lunacy! Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting that soy is a good option

> for infant formula. But I am beginning to get a little suspicious now

> whenever I see another scary story about soy. It makes me wonder if the

> dairy industry is up to something.

>

> As for girls developing at a younger age than they did 20 years ago? I have

> read that obesity is the culprit. Fat. And lots of it. Hence the massive

> onslaught of Adult Onset Diabetes in children. Although I haven't checked,

> I

> strongly suspect that girls maturing earlier began before soy in infant

> formulas.

>

> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Kirk McLoren

<kirkmcloren@...<kirkmcloren%40>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

http://naturalhealthsherpa.com/soy-superfood-toxic-killer/5291?utm_source=newsle\

tter & utm_medium=email & utm_content=13026265 & utm_campaign=A%20superfood%20or%20tox\

ic%20killer%3F

> >F

> >

> > snip

> >

> > The Concern with Soy-Infant Formulas…

> > While the studies on soy and cancer and the thyroid are concerning, the

> > issue

> > that has most soy opponents up in arms has to do with soy and infants.

> > And on this front, one study in particular presents some shocking

> findings.

> > Researchers at the Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati,

> Ohio,

> > performed a random, double-blind study12 to see how much phytoestrogen

> > (meaning

> > plant-based estrogen) 21 four-month-old infants received from soy-based

> > formula.

> > They divided the infants into three groups. One received soy-based

> formula,

> >

> > one received cow milk formula, and the third had human breast milk. For

> the

> >

> > soy formulas, researchers tested five different brands, all of which

> showed

> >

> > similar soy isoflavones content and proportion of soy isolate.

> > They found that the infants receiving the soy formula had 214 timesmore

> > genistein (a key isoflavone found in soy) in their blood than that found

> in

> > the

> > infants receiving cow’s milk, and 244 times more than that found in

> infants

> >

> > receiving breast milk.

> > The infants receiving soy also had 140 times more daidzen (another key

> > isoflavone in soy) than those found in the infants receiving the cow’s

> milk

> >

> > formula, and 210 times more than in the infants taking the breast milk.

> > Researchers concluded that the “daily exposure of infants to isoflavones

> in

> > soy

> > infant formulas is six to 11 fold greater on a bodyweight basis than the

> > dose

> > that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods.”

> > Worse yet, they go on to say that “circulating concentrations of

> > isoflavones in

> > the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times

> higher

> > than

> > plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient to

> > exert

> > biological effects.”

> > Wow! That’s a lot of unnatural estrogen floating around in those little

> > bodies.

> > And we wonder why girls are developing so much earlier than they did 20

> > years

> > ago, and why boys seem to be behind the curve. Could it be all that

> excess

> > estrogen?

> > Finally, those who are opposed to soy also point to a number of soy

> > allergies

> > and digestive problems soy can cause, including gas, cramping, bloating,

> or

> >

> > intestinal discomfort, all of which are signals that our bodies send us

> to

> > indicate that the use of soy may not be in our best interest.

> >

> >

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And yet there are studies that say the hormones in chickens are responsible for

young girls maturing earlier and earlier.....

 

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. ~ Plato

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chickens in some commercial facilities are injected in the neck with a slow

source of DES. It has been banned as an animal food additive but the pellet is

still legal. Thats why people were paying a premium for hormone free chicken.

Seems to be less of it around at least my local markets

________________________________

From: Jacquie.... <jjs19592006@...>

Longevity

Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 4:16:50 PM

Subject: Re: soy dangerous

And yet there are studies that say the hormones in chickens are responsible for

young girls maturing earlier and earlier.....

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. ~ Plato

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Did you look for body builders taking the opposite view?

I find it confusing so will err on the side of caution.

I will get my protein elsewhere

________________________________

From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

Longevity

Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 3:49:26 PM

Subject: Re: soy dangerous

Gosh I don't know what the difference is between the soy that Asians consume

and what we consume. I just recently bought some soy milk to try. It is the

first soy product that I have knowingly purchased. But I think it may be

used in the non-dairy coffee creamer that I use. Other than that I don't

think that I have consumed much soy throughout my life. I was born in 1959

so I don't know if there was soy in baby formula then.

As for body builders? I found this article to be very interesting:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ivan3.htm

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Girls started developing sooner certainly in the 60's. The culprit then was

> DES

> in the food supply.(diethylstilbestrol)

>

> As for Asians isnt their soy fermented? How does this affect the chemistry?

> I

> also expect soy of commerce is not the traditional soy.

> I do know body builders avoid the stuff and for what it is worth I bought a

> sack

> of it for my chickens as the protein assay is impressive. They avoid it

> unless

> there is nothing else to eat. They even prefer barley to soy if you can

> believe

> that.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@... <chuckfrasher%40gmail.com>>

> Longevity <Longevity%40>

> Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 12:41:44 PM

> Subject: Re: soy dangerous

>

>

> I don't know how safe soy is in an infant formula, but I am curious as to

> why people rarely mention the Chinese and Japanese population regarding all

> of these concerns about soy? I don't know what to believe anymore with the

> stories that have been circulating about soy making men gay and other such

> lunacy! Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting that soy is a good option

> for infant formula. But I am beginning to get a little suspicious now

> whenever I see another scary story about soy. It makes me wonder if the

> dairy industry is up to something.

>

> As for girls developing at a younger age than they did 20 years ago? I have

> read that obesity is the culprit. Fat. And lots of it. Hence the massive

> onslaught of Adult Onset Diabetes in children. Although I haven't checked,

> I

> strongly suspect that girls maturing earlier began before soy in infant

> formulas.

>

> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Kirk McLoren

><kirkmcloren@...<kirkmcloren%40>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>http://naturalhealthsherpa.com/soy-superfood-toxic-killer/5291?utm_source=newsl\

etter & utm_medium=email & utm_content=13026265 & utm_campaign=A%20superfood%20or%20to\

xic%20killer%3F

>F

> >F

> >

> > snip

> >

> > The Concern with Soy-Infant Formulas…

> > While the studies on soy and cancer and the thyroid are concerning, the

> > issue

> > that has most soy opponents up in arms has to do with soy and infants.

> > And on this front, one study in particular presents some shocking

> findings.

> > Researchers at the Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati,

> Ohio,

> > performed a random, double-blind study12 to see how much phytoestrogen

> > (meaning

> > plant-based estrogen) 21 four-month-old infants received from soy-based

> > formula.

> > They divided the infants into three groups. One received soy-based

> formula,

> >

> > one received cow milk formula, and the third had human breast milk. For

> the

> >

> > soy formulas, researchers tested five different brands, all of which

> showed

> >

> > similar soy isoflavones content and proportion of soy isolate.

> > They found that the infants receiving the soy formula had 214 timesmore

> > genistein (a key isoflavone found in soy) in their blood than that found

> in

> > the

> > infants receiving cow’s milk, and 244 times more than that found in

> infants

> >

> > receiving breast milk.

> > The infants receiving soy also had 140 times more daidzen (another key

> > isoflavone in soy) than those found in the infants receiving the cow’s

> milk

> >

> > formula, and 210 times more than in the infants taking the breast milk.

> > Researchers concluded that the “daily exposure of infants to isoflavones

> in

> > soy

> > infant formulas is six to 11 fold greater on a bodyweight basis than the

> > dose

> > that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods.â€

> > Worse yet, they go on to say that “circulating concentrations of

> > isoflavones in

> > the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times

> higher

> > than

> > plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient to

> > exert

> > biological effects.â€

> > Wow! That’s a lot of unnatural estrogen floating around in those little

> > bodies.

> > And we wonder why girls are developing so much earlier than they did 20

> > years

> > ago, and why boys seem to be behind the curve. Could it be all that

> excess

> > estrogen?

> > Finally, those who are opposed to soy also point to a number of soy

> > allergies

> > and digestive problems soy can cause, including gas, cramping, bloating,

> or

> >

> > intestinal discomfort, all of which are signals that our bodies send us

> to

> > indicate that the use of soy may not be in our best interest.

> >

> >

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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/12/04/soy-dangers-summar\

ized.aspx

Dec 4 - this morning Mercola reprints an article from Price-Pottenger Foundation

re the ills of soy

I think PP is reputable.

________________________________

From: Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

Longevity

Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 1:12:53 AM

Subject: Re: soy dangerous

Did you look for body builders taking the opposite view?

I find it confusing so will err on the side of caution.

I will get my protein elsewhere

________________________________

From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

Longevity

Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 3:49:26 PM

Subject: Re: soy dangerous

Gosh I don't know what the difference is between the soy that Asians consume

and what we consume. I just recently bought some soy milk to try. It is the

first soy product that I have knowingly purchased. But I think it may be

used in the non-dairy coffee creamer that I use. Other than that I don't

think that I have consumed much soy throughout my life. I was born in 1959

so I don't know if there was soy in baby formula then.

As for body builders? I found this article to be very interesting:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ivan3.htm

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Girls started developing sooner certainly in the 60's. The culprit then was

> DES

> in the food supply.(diethylstilbestrol)

>

> As for Asians isnt their soy fermented? How does this affect the chemistry?

> I

> also expect soy of commerce is not the traditional soy.

> I do know body builders avoid the stuff and for what it is worth I bought a

> sack

> of it for my chickens as the protein assay is impressive. They avoid it

> unless

> there is nothing else to eat. They even prefer barley to soy if you can

> believe

> that.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@... <chuckfrasher%40gmail.com>>

> Longevity <Longevity%40>

> Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 12:41:44 PM

> Subject: Re: soy dangerous

>

>

> I don't know how safe soy is in an infant formula, but I am curious as to

> why people rarely mention the Chinese and Japanese population regarding all

> of these concerns about soy? I don't know what to believe anymore with the

> stories that have been circulating about soy making men gay and other such

> lunacy! Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting that soy is a good option

> for infant formula. But I am beginning to get a little suspicious now

> whenever I see another scary story about soy. It makes me wonder if the

> dairy industry is up to something.

>

> As for girls developing at a younger age than they did 20 years ago? I have

> read that obesity is the culprit. Fat. And lots of it. Hence the massive

> onslaught of Adult Onset Diabetes in children. Although I haven't checked,

> I

> strongly suspect that girls maturing earlier began before soy in infant

> formulas.

>

> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Kirk McLoren

><kirkmcloren@...<kirkmcloren%40>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>http://naturalhealthsherpa.com/soy-superfood-toxic-killer/5291?utm_source=newsl\

etter & utm_medium=email & utm_content=13026265 & utm_campaign=A%20superfood%20or%20to\

xic%20killer%3F

>

>F

> >F

> >

> > snip

> >

> > The Concern with Soy-Infant Formulas…

> > While the studies on soy and cancer and the thyroid are concerning, the

> > issue

> > that has most soy opponents up in arms has to do with soy and infants.

> > And on this front, one study in particular presents some shocking

> findings.

> > Researchers at the Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati,

> Ohio,

> > performed a random, double-blind study12 to see how much phytoestrogen

> > (meaning

> > plant-based estrogen) 21 four-month-old infants received from soy-based

> > formula.

> > They divided the infants into three groups. One received soy-based

> formula,

> >

> > one received cow milk formula, and the third had human breast milk. For

> the

> >

> > soy formulas, researchers tested five different brands, all of which

> showed

> >

> > similar soy isoflavones content and proportion of soy isolate.

> > They found that the infants receiving the soy formula had 214 timesmore

> > genistein (a key isoflavone found in soy) in their blood than that found

> in

> > the

> > infants receiving cow’s milk, and 244 times more than that found in

> infants

> >

> > receiving breast milk.

> > The infants receiving soy also had 140 times more daidzen (another key

> > isoflavone in soy) than those found in the infants receiving the cow’s

> milk

> >

> > formula, and 210 times more than in the infants taking the breast milk.

> > Researchers concluded that the “daily exposure of infants to isoflavones

> in

> > soy

> > infant formulas is six to 11 fold greater on a bodyweight basis than the

> > dose

> > that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods.â€

> > Worse yet, they go on to say that “circulating concentrations of

> > isoflavones in

> > the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times

> higher

> > than

> > plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient to

> > exert

> > biological effects.â€

> > Wow! That’s a lot of unnatural estrogen floating around in those little

> > bodies.

> > And we wonder why girls are developing so much earlier than they did 20

> > years

> > ago, and why boys seem to be behind the curve. Could it be all that

> excess

> > estrogen?

> > Finally, those who are opposed to soy also point to a number of soy

> > allergies

> > and digestive problems soy can cause, including gas, cramping, bloating,

> or

> >

> > intestinal discomfort, all of which are signals that our bodies send us

> to

> > indicate that the use of soy may not be in our best interest.

> >

> >

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I have read articles that state that Asians do not use GM soy, and use their

soy during times of hunger like we use milk/cheese here.

<<Gosh I don't know what the difference is between the soy that Asians

consume

And what we consume. I just recently bought some soy milk to try. It is the

First soy product that I have knowingly purchased. But I think it may be

Used in the non-dairy coffee creamer that I use. Other than that I don't

Think that I have consumed much soy throughout my life. I was born in 1959

So I don't know if there was soy in baby formula then.>>

Sincerely, Barb M.

-- Re: soy dangerous

>

>

> I don't know how safe soy is in an infant formula, but I am curious as to

> why people rarely mention the Chinese and Japanese population regarding

all

> of these concerns about soy? I don't know what to believe anymore with the

> stories that have been circulating about soy making men gay and other such

> lunacy! Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting that soy is a good option

> for infant formula. But I am beginning to get a little suspicious now

> whenever I see another scary story about soy. It makes me wonder if the

> dairy industry is up to something.

>

> As for girls developing at a younger age than they did 20 years ago? I

have

> read that obesity is the culprit. Fat. And lots of it. Hence the massive

> onslaught of Adult Onset Diabetes in children. Although I haven't checked,

> I

> strongly suspect that girls maturing earlier began before soy in infant

> formulas.

>

> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Kirk McLoren

><kirkmcloren@...<kirkmcloren%40>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>http://naturalhealthsherpa

com/soy-superfood-toxic-killer/5291?utm_source=newsletter & utm_medium=email & ut

_content=13026265 & utm_campaign=A%20superfood%20or%20toxic%20killer%3F

>

>F

> >F

> >

> > snip

> >

> > The Concern with Soy-Infant Formulas…

> > While the studies on soy and cancer and the thyroid are concerning, the

> > issue

> > that has most soy opponents up in arms has to do with soy and infants.

> > And on this front, one study in particular presents some shocking

> findings.

> > Researchers at the Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati,

> Ohio,

> > performed a random, double-blind study12 to see how much phytoestrogen

> > (meaning

> > plant-based estrogen) 21 four-month-old infants received from soy-based

> > formula.

> > They divided the infants into three groups. One received soy-based

> formula,

> >

> > one received cow milk formula, and the third had human breast milk. For

> the

> >

> > soy formulas, researchers tested five different brands, all of which

> showed

> >

> > similar soy isoflavones content and proportion of soy isolate.

> > They found that the infants receiving the soy formula had 214 timesmore

> > genistein (a key isoflavone found in soy) in their blood than that found

> in

> > the

> > infants receiving cow’s milk, and 244 times more than that found in

> infants

> >

> > receiving breast milk.

> > The infants receiving soy also had 140 times more daidzen (another key

> > isoflavone in soy) than those found in the infants receiving the cow’s

> milk

> >

> > formula, and 210 times more than in the infants taking the breast milk.

> > Researchers concluded that the “daily exposure of infants to isoflavones

> in

> > soy

> > infant formulas is six to 11 fold greater on a bodyweight basis than the

> > dose

> > that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods.â€

> > Worse yet, they go on to say that “circulating concentrations of

> > isoflavones in

> > the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times

> higher

> > than

> > plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient to

> > exert

> > biological effects.â€

> > Wow! That’s a lot of unnatural estrogen floating around in those little

> > bodies.

> > And we wonder why girls are developing so much earlier than they did 20

> > years

> > ago, and why boys seem to be behind the curve. Could it be all that

> excess

> > estrogen?

> > Finally, those who are opposed to soy also point to a number of soy

> > allergies

> > and digestive problems soy can cause, including gas, cramping, bloating,

> or

> >

> > intestinal discomfort, all of which are signals that our bodies send us

> to

> > indicate that the use of soy may not be in our best interest.

> >

> >

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Actually according to Wikipedia, tofu is fermented depending which kind

one eats. On the other hand, Wikipedia is known to have biases causing some

information to be totally incorrect........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu#Fermented

Fermented

Pickled tofu (¶¹¸¯Èé in Chinese, pinyin: d¨°ufu r¨³, lit. " tofu dairy, " or ¸¯Èé;

chao in Vietnamese): Also called " preserved tofu " or " fermented tofu, " this food

consists of cubes of dried tofu that have been allowed to fully air-dry under

hay and slowly ferment from aerial bacteria.[27] The dry fermented tofu is then

soaked in salt water, Chinese wine, vinegar, and minced chiles, or a unique

mixture of whole rice, bean paste, and soybeans. In the case of red pickled tofu

(¼t¶¹¸¯Èé in Chinese, Pinyin: h¨®ng d¨°ufu r¨³), red yeast rice (cultivated with

Monascus purpureus) is added for color.[28] And in Japan, pickled tofu with miso

paste is called 'tofu no misoduke', which is traditional preserving food in

Kyushu,especially in Kumamoto.

Stinky tofu (³ô¶¹¸¯ in Chinese, Pinyin: ch¨°u d¨°ufu): A soft tofu that has been

fermented in a unique vegetable and fish brine.[27] The blocks of tofu smell

strongly of certain pungent cheeses, and are described by many as rotten and

fecal. Despite its strong odor, the flavor and texture of stinky tofu is

appreciated by aficionados, who describe it as delightful. The texture of this

tofu is similar to the soft Asian tofu that it is made from. The rind that

stinky tofu develops from frying is said to be especially crisp, and is usually

served with soy sauce, sweet sauce, and/or hot sauce.

Personally I tend to trust The Weston A Price Foundation - though even with

them I tend to prefer checking my info from more then one place.

blessings

ShAn

> >

> >

> > As for Asians isnt their soy fermented?

>

> Some of it is. Tofu, is not fermented.

>

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No I did not look for it. It popped up in a general search and seems to

coincide with other legitimate sources that I trust, like LEF.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Did you look for body builders taking the opposite view?

> I find it confusing so will err on the side of caution.

> I will get my protein elsewhere

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@... <chuckfrasher%40gmail.com>>

> Longevity <Longevity%40>

> Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 3:49:26 PM

>

> Subject: Re: soy dangerous

>

> Gosh I don't know what the difference is between the soy that Asians

> consume

> and what we consume. I just recently bought some soy milk to try. It is the

> first soy product that I have knowingly purchased. But I think it may be

> used in the non-dairy coffee creamer that I use. Other than that I don't

> think that I have consumed much soy throughout my life. I was born in 1959

> so I don't know if there was soy in baby formula then.

>

> As for body builders? I found this article to be very interesting:

>

> http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ivan3.htm

>

> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Kirk McLoren

<kirkmcloren@...<kirkmcloren%40>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Girls started developing sooner certainly in the 60's. The culprit then

> was

> > DES

> > in the food supply.(diethylstilbestrol)

> >

> > As for Asians isnt their soy fermented? How does this affect the

> chemistry?

> > I

> > also expect soy of commerce is not the traditional soy.

> > I do know body builders avoid the stuff and for what it is worth I bought

> a

> > sack

> > of it for my chickens as the protein assay is impressive. They avoid it

> > unless

> > there is nothing else to eat. They even prefer barley to soy if you can

> > believe

> > that.

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@... <chuckfrasher%40gmail.com><chuckfrasher%

> 40gmail.com>>

> > Longevity <Longevity%40> <Longevity%

> 40>

>

> > Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 12:41:44 PM

> > Subject: Re: soy dangerous

> >

> >

> > I don't know how safe soy is in an infant formula, but I am curious as to

> > why people rarely mention the Chinese and Japanese population regarding

> all

> > of these concerns about soy? I don't know what to believe anymore with

> the

> > stories that have been circulating about soy making men gay and other

> such

> > lunacy! Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting that soy is a good option

> > for infant formula. But I am beginning to get a little suspicious now

> > whenever I see another scary story about soy. It makes me wonder if the

> > dairy industry is up to something.

> >

> > As for girls developing at a younger age than they did 20 years ago? I

> have

> > read that obesity is the culprit. Fat. And lots of it. Hence the massive

> > onslaught of Adult Onset Diabetes in children. Although I haven't

> checked,

> > I

> > strongly suspect that girls maturing earlier began before soy in infant

> > formulas.

> >

> > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Kirk McLoren

> ><kirkmcloren@... <kirkmcloren%40><kirkmcloren%40

> >>

>

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://naturalhealthsherpa.com/soy-superfood-toxic-killer/5291?utm_source=newsle\

tter & utm_medium=email & utm_content=13026265 & utm_campaign=A%20superfood%20or%20tox\

ic%20killer%3F

> >F

> > >F

> > >

> > > snip

> > >

> > > The Concern with Soy-Infant Formulas…

> > > While the studies on soy and cancer and the thyroid are concerning, the

> > > issue

> > > that has most soy opponents up in arms has to do with soy and infants.

> > > And on this front, one study in particular presents some shocking

> > findings.

> > > Researchers at the Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati,

> > Ohio,

> > > performed a random, double-blind study12 to see how much phytoestrogen

> > > (meaning

> > > plant-based estrogen) 21 four-month-old infants received from soy-based

> > > formula.

> > > They divided the infants into three groups. One received soy-based

> > formula,

> > >

> > > one received cow milk formula, and the third had human breast milk. For

> > the

> > >

> > > soy formulas, researchers tested five different brands, all of which

> > showed

> > >

> > > similar soy isoflavones content and proportion of soy isolate.

> > > They found that the infants receiving the soy formula had 214 timesmore

> > > genistein (a key isoflavone found in soy) in their blood than that

> found

> > in

> > > the

> > > infants receiving cow’s milk, and 244 times more than that found in

> > infants

> > >

> > > receiving breast milk.

> > > The infants receiving soy also had 140 times more daidzen (another key

> > > isoflavone in soy) than those found in the infants receiving the cow’s

> > milk

> > >

> > > formula, and 210 times more than in the infants taking the breast milk.

> > > Researchers concluded that the “daily exposure of infants to

> isoflavones

> > in

> > > soy

> > > infant formulas is six to 11 fold greater on a bodyweight basis than

> the

> > > dose

> > > that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods.”

> > > Worse yet, they go on to say that “circulating concentrations of

> > > isoflavones in

> > > the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times

> > higher

> > > than

> > > plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient

> to

> > > exert

> > > biological effects.”

> > > Wow! That’s a lot of unnatural estrogen floating around in those little

> > > bodies.

> > > And we wonder why girls are developing so much earlier than they did 20

> > > years

> > > ago, and why boys seem to be behind the curve. Could it be all that

> > excess

> > > estrogen?

> > > Finally, those who are opposed to soy also point to a number of soy

> > > allergies

> > > and digestive problems soy can cause, including gas, cramping,

> bloating,

> > or

> > >

> > > intestinal discomfort, all of which are signals that our bodies send us

> > to

> > > indicate that the use of soy may not be in our best interest.

> > >

> > >

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soyonlineservice.co.nz...They-are-a-private-group-of-people--not-"in-bed-with"-anybodyand/or-group...supports-their-informational-website-with-PRIVATE-donations--do-not-sell-or-

promote-products-and/or-pay-for-testimonials--no-motive-other-than-informing-people-

so-they-can-make-totally-informed-decisions-about-whether-or-not-to-wreck-their-health-

with-this-crap!

From: Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>Subject: soy dangerouslongevity , no-forced-vaccination Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 12:56 PM

http://naturalhealthsherpa.com/soy-superfood-toxic-killer/5291?utm_source=newsletter & utm_medium=email & utm_content=13026265 & utm_campaign=A%20superfood%20or%20toxic%20killer%3Fsnip

The Concern with Soy-Infant Formulas…

While the studies on soy and cancer and the thyroid are concerning, the issue that has most soy opponents up in arms has to do with soy and infants.

And on this front, one study in particular presents some shocking findings.

Researchers at the Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati, Ohio, performed a random, double-blind study12 to see how much phytoestrogen (meaning plant-based estrogen) 21 four-month-old infants received from soy-based formula.

They divided the infants into three groups. One received soy-based formula, one received cow milk formula, and the third had human breast milk. For the soy formulas, researchers tested five different brands, all of which showed similar soy isoflavones content and proportion of soy isolate.

They found that the infants receiving the soy formula had 214 times more genistein (a key isoflavone found in soy) in their blood than that found in the infants receiving cow’s milk, and 244 times more than that found in infants receiving breast milk.

The infants receiving soy also had 140 times more daidzen (another key isoflavone in soy) than those found in the infants receiving the cow’s milk formula, and 210 times more than in the infants taking the breast milk.

Researchers concluded that the “daily exposure of infants to isoflavones in soy infant formulas is six to 11 fold greater on a bodyweight basis than the dose that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods.â€

Worse yet, they go on to say that “circulating concentrations of isoflavones in the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times higher than plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient to exert biological effects.â€

Wow! That’s a lot of unnatural estrogen floating around in those little bodies.

And we wonder why girls are developing so much earlier than they did 20 years ago, and why boys seem to be behind the curve. Could it be all that excess estrogen?

Finally, those who are opposed to soy also point to a number of soy allergies and digestive problems soy can cause, including gas, cramping, bloating, or intestinal discomfort, all of which are signals that our bodies send us to indicate that the use of soy may not be in our best interest.

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soyonlineservice.co.nz...They-are-a-private-group-of-people--not-"in-bed-with"-anybodyand/or-group...supports-their-informational-website-with-PRIVATE-donations--do-not-sell-or-

promote-products-and/or-pay-for-testimonials--no-motive-other-than-informing-people-

so-they-can-make-totally-informed-decisions-about-whether-or-not-to-wreck-their-health-

with-this-crap!

From: Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>Subject: soy dangerouslongevity , no-forced-vaccination Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 12:56 PM

http://naturalhealthsherpa.com/soy-superfood-toxic-killer/5291?utm_source=newsletter & utm_medium=email & utm_content=13026265 & utm_campaign=A%20superfood%20or%20toxic%20killer%3Fsnip

The Concern with Soy-Infant Formulas…

While the studies on soy and cancer and the thyroid are concerning, the issue that has most soy opponents up in arms has to do with soy and infants.

And on this front, one study in particular presents some shocking findings.

Researchers at the Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati, Ohio, performed a random, double-blind study12 to see how much phytoestrogen (meaning plant-based estrogen) 21 four-month-old infants received from soy-based formula.

They divided the infants into three groups. One received soy-based formula, one received cow milk formula, and the third had human breast milk. For the soy formulas, researchers tested five different brands, all of which showed similar soy isoflavones content and proportion of soy isolate.

They found that the infants receiving the soy formula had 214 times more genistein (a key isoflavone found in soy) in their blood than that found in the infants receiving cow’s milk, and 244 times more than that found in infants receiving breast milk.

The infants receiving soy also had 140 times more daidzen (another key isoflavone in soy) than those found in the infants receiving the cow’s milk formula, and 210 times more than in the infants taking the breast milk.

Researchers concluded that the “daily exposure of infants to isoflavones in soy infant formulas is six to 11 fold greater on a bodyweight basis than the dose that has hormonal effects in adults consuming soy foods.â€

Worse yet, they go on to say that “circulating concentrations of isoflavones in the seven infants fed soy-based formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times higher than plasma oestradiol concentrations in early life, and may be sufficient to exert biological effects.â€

Wow! That’s a lot of unnatural estrogen floating around in those little bodies.

And we wonder why girls are developing so much earlier than they did 20 years ago, and why boys seem to be behind the curve. Could it be all that excess estrogen?

Finally, those who are opposed to soy also point to a number of soy allergies and digestive problems soy can cause, including gas, cramping, bloating, or intestinal discomfort, all of which are signals that our bodies send us to indicate that the use of soy may not be in our best interest.

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Yes, some tofu is further processed with fermentation into preserved bean curd.

However, the tofu from which it is made is not fermented. Tofu is made by

cooking soybeans in water, grinding them up, straining off the milk, and

coagulating the milk with a chemical coagulant.

Preserved bean curd, BTW, is fantastic stuff. I like it with steak.

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Thanks for that. I'll have to give that (preserved bean curd) a try.

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Stanley

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> Yes, some tofu is further processed with fermentation into preserved bean

> curd. However, the tofu from which it is made is not fermented. Tofu is made

> by cooking soybeans in water, grinding them up, straining off the milk, and

> coagulating the milk with a chemical coagulant.

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> Preserved bean curd, BTW, is fantastic stuff. I like it with steak.

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> Thanks for that. I'll have to give that (preserved bean curd) a try.

Your best bet in finding it is in an Asian grocery store. It's little cubes

packed in brine in glass jars. The smell is very strong... it's basically the

soy equivalent of Stilton cheese. The fermentation makes the texture very

creamy.

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> Your best bet in finding it is in an Asian grocery store. It's little cubes

> packed in brine in glass jars. The smell is very strong... it's basically

> the soy equivalent of Stilton cheese. The fermentation makes the texture

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